How Racist and/or Sexist is Dagger Dias?
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Alex
King Of The Wasteland
I agree with this up to a point. People do judge wrestler's on physical appearance all the time regardless of gender. People go on about Roman Reigns and how he's a great physical specimen and attractive in comparison to say Kevin Owens. And people will use that argument as to why Reigns is in the position he's in and not Owens. On the flip side people will say how shit Reigns is as a wrestler in comparison to Owens.
People go on about how they find Charlotte unattractive (don't fully get that but still) but will concede that she's a great wrestler but they'd have Paige/Natayla/Sasha Banks as champion because they find them more physically attractive. Same with the Bellas being attractive but seen as shit wrestler's
It's a human thing. Everybody automatically does automatically judge someone on physical appearance even if it's not deliberate.
Yes. That's all I've ever wanted for everyone on WrestleZone. Nyuk Nyuuk nyuk indeed.
I don't know how racist/sexist is the Dagger.
I do wonder how shit-stirring JGlass is though.
I do wonder how shit-stirring JGlass is though.
The lack of analytical thinking skills on this forum depresses me.
If it was Pancake that was posting this, I'd say there is a 90% chance the entire post is just to fuck with Dagger. If it was Coco, I'd give it 50%, because who knows where that dude is coming from?
But this is me. I don't really care about Dagger. I never post in the non-spam sections, and I actually would have never even seen this post if it wasn't brought to my attention by a friend.
It doesn't matter if Dagger or Slyfox made that post, it deserves to be talked about because it's fucked up.
I think you need a lesson in context. Context is everything. Allow semi-professional FIFA player and novelist John Green to demonstrate.
How dare you, sir. I'm using Dagger's creepy, super involved post where he assigns women numerical values based on how he, a straight white male, deems their physical appearance to shine a light on racism, and especially sexism on this forum and society as a whole.
But I suppose you do have a valid point: questioning the status quo on a wrestling forum that is probably at least 75% straight white males is probably going to be viewed as stirring the shit, especially when the status quo allows people to be asses anonymously.
If it was Pancake that was posting this, I'd say there is a 90% chance the entire post is just to fuck with Dagger. If it was Coco, I'd give it 50%, because who knows where that dude is coming from?
But this is me. I don't really care about Dagger. I never post in the non-spam sections, and I actually would have never even seen this post if it wasn't brought to my attention by a friend.
It doesn't matter if Dagger or Slyfox made that post, it deserves to be talked about because it's fucked up.
I think you need a lesson in context. Context is everything. Allow semi-professional FIFA player and novelist John Green to demonstrate.
How dare you, sir. I'm using Dagger's creepy, super involved post where he assigns women numerical values based on how he, a straight white male, deems their physical appearance to shine a light on racism, and especially sexism on this forum and society as a whole.
But I suppose you do have a valid point: questioning the status quo on a wrestling forum that is probably at least 75% straight white males is probably going to be viewed as stirring the shit, especially when the status quo allows people to be asses anonymously.
ScreaminNormanSmiley
formerly ScreaminNormanSmiley
He is claiming people are worse at their profession for their color. He is also saying a woman's value in the industry is strongly based on how much he wants to screw her. How is this even questionable?
Not me.
In Dagger's defense, the wrestling industry has long enforced his unfortunate views. Shawn Michaels only got his push in the 90s because he was white and Vince wanted to blow him.
Anyway, here's something which has nothing to do with this thread:
Did Dagger differentiate between appearance in terms of marketability or appearance in the creepy "I must let the world know how attractive I think these women are" sort of way? Everyone's covered the latter, but if it's the former then don't pick on him for being cis scum, pick on him for his rating system being stupid. How the hell would the Bella, the woman in WWE most closely resembling the bitchy bitches of the hugely popular reality tv scene, get such a low rating? Bayley got a 6.5, but if I were to ask anyone here to look at her and tell me if you're supposed to cheer her, you'd know what all their answers would be. You can't buy a face that screams kindness like hers. .5 to Nia Jax, a woman who is going to be pushed to the moon with the announcers screaming about how impressive she looks? What would you have given awesome kong?
The only way any of that makes sense is if he's ranking them on how attractive they are, to him, and then trying to use that as a measurement of how good they are at their job. I'd do that for my workplace, but I'd probably get sued to hell and back and rightfully so.
Poor form any way you look at it.
The only way any of that makes sense is if he's ranking them on how attractive they are, to him, and then trying to use that as a measurement of how good they are at their job. I'd do that for my workplace, but I'd probably get sued to hell and back and rightfully so.
Poor form any way you look at it.
That post and this thread epitomise wrestling fans.
Including an attractiveness score isn't the same as critiquing a wrestler's look, else Nia Jax obviously wouldn't be below Rosa Mendes. It is sexist in the extreme.
Having all the ethnic minorities at the bottom is also pretty surprising, especially when the result of that is having career nobodies above legitimately great wrestlers. I'm not sure it's quite racist, but frankly from a poster who has repeatedly shown their homophobia and now sexism, it's not a particularly challenging leap.
Including an attractiveness score isn't the same as critiquing a wrestler's look, else Nia Jax obviously wouldn't be below Rosa Mendes. It is sexist in the extreme.
Having all the ethnic minorities at the bottom is also pretty surprising, especially when the result of that is having career nobodies above legitimately great wrestlers. I'm not sure it's quite racist, but frankly from a poster who has repeatedly shown their homophobia and now sexism, it's not a particularly challenging leap.
Maybe because they aren't as good in the ring or in promos? Did that ever cross your mind? Race has nothing to do with it. I'd argue you're being a bit racist here yourself. Why does it matter that I ranked white women higher? Is it because they're white? Do you have some kind of problem against white women? It sure seems like it with the way you are acting.
No, did you not read the post where I said I find all of them attractive except Nia Jax? You seriously need to learn how to read what others have posted.
The reverse-racist card. Can't imagine this backfiring.
Pay Per Ghost
What they f*ck happened in the thread section here
Thank fucking god! I thought I was the only one! Rocking bod but oh my lord its like her father buggered a vulture who prolly had a gaping anus.
That's where eggs come from rite?
Also the right answer here is I'd make love to them all. Except Asuka.
She can have her way with me. Love me long time.
klunderbunker
Welcome to My (And Not Sly's) House
There's a world of difference between big/fat and curvy. Nia Jax is certainly the latter.
klunderbunker
Welcome to My (And Not Sly's) House
In (hopefully) the only other response I'll make in this thread, I would highly disagree with the concept that male wrestlers aren't ranked based on their looks as well. Hulk Hogan's physique, John Cena's All American looks, Steve Austin looking like a guy who could beat up anyone you put in front of him and Rock's smile are all factors in why they reached the levels they achieved. We talk all the time about how someone has the right look and how Vince has what he considers the exact vision of how a star should look. Do you think if someone looks like Albert that they're going to be pushed as the star or poster boy of the company? It may not be the same as how they fill out a sports bra and a pair of shorts but male wrestler's appearances are certainly judged as well.
M's post rebuffs this all pretty well. Dagger doesn't really tackle the cosmetic side of show biz as much as he ranks the female roster in terms of fuckability, which may of may not have surprising racial undertones.
klunderbunker
Welcome to My (And Not Sly's) House
Given that the tagline for the division for a long time was "Smart, Sexy and Powerful", I'd think WWE is (or at least was) pushing the sex appeal quite hard. It certainly means something to them (whether or not someone finds this part sexist isn't important) so ranking the division based on something WWE presents as mattering doesn't sound incredibly sexist to me.
And yet Awesome Kong clearly had a huge place in that division carved out for her a few years ago. Dagger would likely rank her appearance in the basement just as he ranked Nia at the bottom here because he doesn't like big women. But as has been established based on the TNA KOs doing strong numbers during Kong's prime, her appearance has benefits in this line of work. WWE was prepared to recognize her appeal accordingly in spite of that garbage tag line you alluded to. Her appearance, and Nia's, have show biz utility greater than 0.5/10.
And if Dagger were serious about talking about sexiness in the terms WWE and show biz at large see it, Nikki wouldn't be down at 3.5 while Natty is given a 7.
Every part of his flawed rankings lead me to believe he typed his post out one letter at a time using his fully erect Tootsie Roll dick.
klunderbunker
Welcome to My (And Not Sly's) House
Mainly because of her appearance as a monster.
Not exactly sexist.
Indeed. And for the record, I thought that tagline was horrendous in its time and still do today.
Yep.
As sexist as it may sound, women in wrestling are there in large part due to their looks. Gail Kim can wrestle circles around most of the female wrestlers in this country and has been let go twice by WWE, both times after mostly insignificant runs. Trish Stratus on the other hand, who is good but certainly not great in the ring (at least by comparison to others), is the most successful female wrestler in modern times, largely in part due to being gorgeous with an incredible figure.
People can call the list and the line of thinking sexist all they want, but I really don't think this comes off as sexist. Appearance plays a huge role in wrestling in both genders and that's really not up for debate. Now if you want to say Dagger's reasoning doesn't make business sense then that's one thing, but the sexism and racism (especially the racism) criticisms don't seem to hold up.
When ranking male competitors, appearance would come into play. Of course. But would Dagger knock KO for his appearance as severely as he knocked Nia here? KO isn't going to get Cena rankings, granted. But he won't suffer as severely as Nia does for Dagger's aversion to large women.
That ranking is about what gets Dagger hard, nothing more. He would not apply the same cosmetic standards to male wrestlers. Sexism plain and simple. Stratus getting a Cena rating in terms of marketability still doesn't justify a basement ranking for Jax.
Racism is a longer walk, but I'm not unconvinced. I'll leave that to minds greater than my own.
That ranking is about what gets Dagger hard, nothing more. He would not apply the same cosmetic standards to male wrestlers. Sexism plain and simple. Stratus getting a Cena rating in terms of marketability still doesn't justify a basement ranking for Jax.
Racism is a longer walk, but I'm not unconvinced. I'll leave that to minds greater than my own.
klunderbunker
Welcome to My (And Not Sly's) House
I can go with the first part, but I wouldn't consider that sexist. It's a part of how female wrestlers are ranked in general and certainly important to how much success they're going to have. If he had said this was all that mattered then yeah it's much more like what's being talked about here, but I really don't see it as that bad.
I really don't see finding a particular ethnicity more attractive than another to be racist and I've always found such accusations laughable.
