Conspiracy Storyline - KEEP IT ALL IN HERE!

[I_Am_Electro_Boy]

Well done WWE yet another great PPV. The only thing is Punk losing the title, I know it's probably to do with the Mexico tour coming up but it's still a bummer that Punk lost the title. He's my favourite wrestler (and not just because of his recent actions) so I'm almost never going to be for Punk losing the title. Anyway as for Nash returning, I'm happy that he's back and hopefully full time but I hope he doesn't have many matches he is very limited with his in ring ability now.'m not sure as to why he's back though, but I'm definitely looking forward to see what happens on Raw.

 

[TWJC: The Beginning]

Well done WWE yet another great PPV. The only thing is Punk losing the title, I know it's probably to do with the Mexico tour coming up but it's still a bummer that Punk lost the title. He's my favourite wrestler (and not just because of his recent actions) so I'm almost never going to be for Punk losing the title. Anyway as for Nash returning, I'm happy that he's back and hopefully full time but I hope he doesn't have many matches he is very limited with his in ring ability now.'m not sure as to why he's back though, but I'm definitely looking forward to see what happens on Raw.

If he's your favorite wrestler then you should be estatic that he lost, now he can do more interesting things. You're not a mark for the belt or a mark are you? You shouldn't care about him having the belt, that doesn't really mean anything, you shouldn't care about him losing, that also doesn't really mean anything. His character thrives on being the underdog held down by the man. If he keeps the strap, he's no the underdog and he's not being held down. What does he talk about?

This is what I don't get with both Punk and Christian fans. You guys want Christian, a chickenshit heel to win cleanly, which would hurt his character adn he'd be less over, and you also want Punk, the underground underdog to be the champion, which would hurt his character.

Nash is a smart guy and always tries to get the most bang for his buck. I don't even think HHH will turn heel and be buddy buddy with him because that's too predictable.

 

[Jack-Hammer]

This could be good or bad, depending on where they go.

Kevin Nash is someone that's well past his prime physically. We all know that. Anybody that's seen him wrestle in TNA knows that. Nash still has his name and could be useful if WWE does the right thing with him.

What's the right thing? To ultimately use him to put over younger guys on the roster. I'm not necessarily saying job him out to each and every guy he comes across. Put him in an occassional match (maybe) and give some young star a rub by going over a 6 time World Champion and one of the biggest stars of the 90s. In other words, if the WWE uses him in almost the exact opposite as TNA, then this could come out positively.

 

[Big Nick Dudley]

I love it. Well, so far.

If I had to guess, Kevin Nash is simply muscle. Who will he be protecting? I don't know - Del Rio, HHH, Vince, all of them, who knows.

Do I want to see an active return to action for Kevin Nash? No. I didn't want to see that in TNA, and I don't want to see it in WWE. However, if he works a few matches to move this storyline along, I wouldn't complain.

I didn't want ADR to cash in, not even a little bit. However, the intrigue behind Nash's return, where HHH stands, what's Vince's role -- all of that, combined, works. I'm hoping for the best here.

 

[Jabroni Drive]

Just a thought shoot me down if you want. Maybe nash is the anonymous raw gm. Its been quiet for a while and maybe this is the begining to the big reveal for that. Or maybe hes working for the anonymous raw gm who could be john laurnitis (cant spell that) or someone like that. For me the hhh and nash reunion is too predictable and nash being adr bodyguard is just shit. Plus if nash was the raw gm then it could continue punks rebellion against the man. Claiming that hhh must have known nash was the raw gm or that laurnitis was the gm and hired him.

 

[The Dragon Saga]

Loved Kevin Nash's return last night. WWE did what they're supposed to, they made you wanting more.

CM Punk losing is a large benefit to his character, this gives him even more fire to breath upon the authorities at be and provides him with a heel to chase in ADR which will push Punk further as a tweener/anarchist/rebel. The entire thing was well done. Nobody saw Nash's return; some saw the briefcase being cashed in but nobody saw it under those terms.

Someone mentioned the possible feud between CM Punk and the famous Kilq of WWE past. Honestly, I love the prospects in this feud. CM Punk would have so much material when you take into account how Nash's persona is built round doing things for the money, HHH's ego which has plagued him for years which Punk has already taken aim at, Sean Waltman is on good terms with the WWE and has had past issues with drugs and controversy.

A CM Punk vs. Triple H feud is the likely happening. Much like McMahon and Austin of the PG Era - you have the authority figure in Triple H and the outspoken rebel in CM Punk. Adding a possible Kliq acknowledgement and angle would further push the whole angle, it hands Punk material and brings back one of the most historic backstage groups in pro-wrestling.

Either way, love the Nash return. Loved he SS main events, every puzzle piece fits; but what's the image WWE seek to create?

 

[TWJC: The Beginning]

What if Nash is helping CM Punk.

Yea yea crazy talk right? Well, CM Punk got Vince out of office by driving him nuts. Punk wants his face everywhere, so maybe he'll drive HHH out too. Make it look like Nash took out Punk because of HHH, the board thinks HHH is corrupt, he's out of power too. Eventually someone Punk likes is in power and Punk gets all he wants.

Kind of a stretch and it'd take a long time to do and a lot of really carefull planned events. I think the fact that it could logically be a possibility makes this such an awesome angle.

 

[PagingMr.ass]

I think it would be kind of cool to see some members of the klique return in an on screen role as HHH's board of trustees. THey could play up there back stage power role in booking matches and once again having the klique take control of the wwe. Its important to mention that I would like to see this play out only as an on screen angle, in no way should Kev be a legit booker, only as a story line, because despite what his ego tells him he's a horrible booker, he had all of teds money some 12-13 years ago and pissed it down the drain. However I still would like to see the Klique return as an onscreen backstage power for raw, It could create some interesting television. I think HHH, Kev, and Waltman would be a great trio for the "powers that be" on raw. ALthough Razor Ramon is one of my top three wrestlers of all time, he needs to stay out of this for his own sake and for all of the fans, and HBK most likely doesn't want to return on a weekly bases. It could be kind of like when McMahon, Patterson, and Briscoe, where running the show in that onscreen angle that ran through the late 90's. Except this time the trio would be younger and could use not just their buisness power, but their physical power as well to push people around.

 

[Depakote]

Kevin Nash has always had the look and character. It has always carried his in-ring ability. Yes, he is noticeably more stiff and slow now, but his in-ring style has not really changed much since he was in his prime. He's still doing the same move set; there's just less spring in his step. But does he need to be quick and agile to punch a guy's face in?

He can talk and he can brawl. Thats all he needs to do to hold up his end. Great storytelling is about psychology, not spot fests. Nash has always had a mind for the business and it will carry his involvement in this angle. Plus, he's going to be working with real talent that can carry matches, not that fodder he was being fed down in TNA.

Nash has history with HHH. Even casual fans saw the Clique reunion at HBK's Hall of Fame ceremony. Nash also has a history of invasion angles. As one half of the Outsiders, he helped create one of the biggest storylines in wrestling history. At Summerslam, we saw him coming out of the crowd in similar fashion.

Imagine all the possibilities of where this could go. Nash could come out and say that HHH has gone soft. The old HHH wouldve physically destroyed CM Punk for the things he said about his wife. So Stephanie had to put on the pants of the family and bring in Nash. Nash has said that he wanted one final run in the WWE to close out his career, and then he debuted at the Rumble to a huge nostalgia pop. Then we find out that his legends contract is more 'legendary' than the usual legends contracts. Suddenly, all the pieces of the puzzle are starting to fall into place. I'm really excited to see what comes of it all.

 

[Nate DaMac]

I loved it, honestly. There was seriously nothing else entertaining going on on Raw other than the main event program and now, with Nash returning and his motives still up in the air, we actually have several things to look forward to instead of just the one.

Nash shouldn't become a regular worker or anything though. He can;t go in the ring anymore and it would be sad to see him try other than a few one off matches here and there. I'm expecting him to take a bodyguard type of role for Alberto, You know because well, Alberto is rich and Nash has never tried to stray away from the fact that he loves money. It makes a lot of sense.

 

[Mr$intheBank]

I thought his return was a complete shock to anyone. Alberto Del Rio could have cashed in his opportunity in a different fashion, for example: Triple H cud have screwed one of them and maybe given a Pedigree to the winner. Or Alberto could have cashed it in after Rey Mysterio's rematch tonight.

Nash's return was all speculation since he was released by TNA and WWE brought him back for the rumble. I think Nash screwing CM Punk will have more to do with HHH's bad call and his new position than the whole championship situation. He might have been hired by Stephanie as a back up plan in case HHH messed up as ref. The story could be that Stephanie wanted to make sure CM Punk didn't leave with the belt, forcing a controversy.

Some people think this return was TNAish but something like this doesn't happen to often in the WWE. This should be a great thing depending how well the writers make the story unfold.

 

[I_Am_Electro_Boy]

If he's your favorite wrestler then you should be estatic that he lost, now he can do more interesting things. You're not a mark for the belt or a mark are you? You shouldn't care about him having the belt, that doesn't really mean anything, you shouldn't care about him losing, that also doesn't really mean anything. His character thrives on being the underdog held down by the man. If he keeps the strap, he's no the underdog and he's not being held down. What does he talk about?

Quick question the sentence as your sig isn't based on what I said is it?

Anyway, I understand that he's got a underdog character but I was enjoying seeing him the underdog overcome the odds and beat the face of the company. When you're the underdog you have to overcome the odds some time or another and this was his time to overcome the odds and be WWE Champ and it was fun to watch. You say that he can now do more interesting things because he lost the title but I was very interested in what he was doing the last few weeks with the title and without the title he can't do those same interesting things.

 

[IMmortalGreatOnE]

it can be simple as del rio offering kevin nash alot of money to take cm punk out...we always hear kevin nash talking about how he's in the business to make money...so there you go

 

[CelticCorey]

I thought it was entertaining with Nash trying to act all high and mighty ESPECIALLY when he is critical of today's younger talent and plus, well, Punk is punk. Something about Nash tonight cracked me up. Of COURSE his time has come and gone and Hogan and Flair are even worse but still, compared to many stick workers in the WWE today, Nash couldn't have been too bad.

 

[H33LTurn]

How long exactly has it been since he cut a promo on a show like RAW? A long f'n time. How long has it been since hes had to memorize lines? A long f'n time. Hes old and hes has mic rust, something understandable. His booming voice didnt help at all. He got his point across and I'm happy he was able to at least do that. A lot of people fuck up their lines. I'm sure he'll be better next week.

 

[#hamler]

Nash seemed uncomfortable in the WWE ring. I kept thinking, I know he wants to say "fuck you". But other than that, he isn't exactly washed up. Yes his time has come and gone but it's not like he's been on WWE TV for the last four or five years. He's a fresh face in the WWE ring and adds a lot to the current storyline. Look at how many guys could use a little rub from Kevin Nash. Even in a promo, Nash can put someone over. He's a credible vet and that's something the WWE roster needs right now. I will admit CM Punk did outshine Nash tonight, but Nash kicked some ass aswell. I was highly entertained by that segment.

 

[TWJC: The Beginning]

Was god awful tonight, ive always been a nash fan but that promo was pathetic, now many people get outshined by punk on the mic, but i think Nash's time has just come and gone, hes washed up...im not for WWE bringing these older guys back during a "youth movement" and Nash tonight proved why...he did just plain awful....on a random note did anybody see swagger botch his finisher when he couldnt lift riley that made me laugh haha

First off, Riley is a big fuckin dude, so Swagger taking several tries to lift him isn't a botch, it added to the story of the match. Swagger can usually manhandle guys, but Riley is big and physical so it's harder to do. In the UFC it'll take guys a few tries to slam someone, or they'll slip throwing a kick. Is that a botch? No, because it's a real fight. The ONLY botch in pro wrestling is when something looks ultra fake. Like when you throw a kick, slip, and the other guy sells it. Or when you DO slip, but instead of selling the slip, you just get up and reset the spot. You guys are so ignorant about "botches" it's not even funny. You think a good wrestler (you being in general) is someone who does a bunch of moves without slowing down, crisply and cleanly. Which is stupid, it's supposed to be a struggle, not a dance.

The off topic stuff aside but on a similar note, Nash looking a bit awkward at times on the mic wasn't a bad thing at all. In all likelihood, given how smooth Nash usually is and how smart of a worker he is (he's all about getting the most out of the least), he PROBABLY was purposely a little slow on his comebacks. Think about it. Nash is coming back and this little shit Punk is calling him out. Most people don't do that, much less young Punks. So, to put Punk over as this truthsaying monster on the mic, Nash essentially put him over by not being as good with his comebacks. Punk even "sold" Nash's slow comebacks.

You guys seriously need to learn to think outside the box of "he did this, he didn't do that, he didn't do that quicky and smoothly". That's not pro wrestling. Pro wrestling is storytelling and emotion. Nash being slower with his comebacks made Punk look good, made Nash look like someone being caught with their hand in the cookie jar, and made the feud better.

 

[RicoLen]

Kevin Nash rocked it last night. My biggest complaint was his longish goat. Yup, that's my big complaint about Nash's return. Epic, bury the man.

He's an old guy, hoping for one last run, and more than anything he's here to put the young guys over and have fun doing it. If he can take the title, which he definitely deserves, if only for a while as a transitional champion, and can have his time to celebrate, then more power to him, he's earned it.

In a capitalist sense, Kevin Nash did as much to make the WWE the juggernaut it was at it's height as Steve Austin, because Austin had to overcome the might of guys like Nash, Hogan, Sting, & Goldberg, and without them putting on pressure, who knows where they would have gone. Nash is an important part of why the industry is so great, and while he, just like every other wrestler has his downsides (yes even Rock & Austin have their downsides believe it or not), Nash is a legend and should be put over in the role of an aging legend. There's always room for aging legends, even when you're more focused on putting over young talent to be the next stars. After all, Ric Flair had is balls in the WWE's mouth the entire time he was in the WWE (and the entire time he was in the WWE he was way over the hill even in 1992). Nash certainly deserves that same treatment.

 

[SyStEm0v3r1dE]

truthfully whatever nashes role in this is i like it mainly because of his mic work he is amazing it will be interesting to see how this plays out but if for only that reason im glad to see nash back in front of the camera

 

[drobs85]

Lulz.


It's called overbooking.

This PPV became predictable when Cena lost by Triple H's mistake which was built up the ENTIRE 3 weeks. WWE plugged it more than the PPV itself. That's called being predictable.

1. Cena loses by "controversial" fuck up by Hunter.

2. Kevin Nash buries CM Punk in 3 seconds.

3. Del Rio embarrasses CM Punk in 5 seconds.

It's called overbooking and it's terrible in this regard. If TNA pulled this shit, people would start with the "Vince Russo is a swerving moron lulz" crap. Hate to bring another company into this discussion but you allowing WWE to get away with this nonsense is why people don't like it or WWE fans in general. Hypocritical thinking.



Fans that can't admit when WWE does something wrong is exactly why they feed people crap and you never know when to wake up and say no to it.

I've been the only guy not from this section saying how interesting the product on RAW has become. MITB was the best PPV in the last 5 years but you are a straight up mark if you believe this was a good PPV.

While we're on the subject, where is the Young talent WWE keeps pushing? Cody Rhodes and Dolph Ziggler weren't even on the damn card. I forgot the Tag Titles exist.

Is that a new Jim Cornette quote? My favorite is "Fuck This Company"

Yeah most fans except anything, this PPV was shit even before Nash showed up, this long match ruined by triple h "not seeing" Cena's foot on the damn rope. Didn't this same shit happen with Christian at capitol punishment, GTFOH. Damn good points, all of Punk's work was buried just like that. He gets a powerbomb by a guy who appears once every 7 months. They let a guy who's announcer gets more of a reaction than he does cash in on the hottest guy in wrestling. He wasn't in the MITB title match, was not in the Raw promos, nothing. Their only pushing those "young" guys on "free tv"

 

[drobs85]

Austin was far more over than Punk currently is or ever will be. Even before he started stunnering Vincth.

I'm thoroughly disappointed with the way this ended. Firstly, no one is saying anything about the finish which i'm surprised about. No one cares that Cena's foot was on the rope and the 3 was counted making Cena look good losing? Punk can't win clean against Cena? Why? He won due to outside interefence in Chicago, and now wins due to HHH not seeing Cena's foot on the rope. How come Cena just can't LOSE???
Then, Kevin Nash?
REALLY?
He's got worse legs than the Undertaker, but HE gets the run in?
Someone PLEASE help me understand how this helps the storyline.

The finish sucked, anti climatic, theres a senior citizen run in (i don't care how much color he puts in his hair everybody knows he's in his 50's) and a predictable cash in. So now we have ANOTHER mediocre champion. Seriously. WHO CARES about Del Rio? He had a lot of hype and buzz in the beginning but the more he talked the less interesting he became, and to insert him into the title picture? NOW??? at the height of the some of the best TV WWE has produced? So NOW the WWE title becomes less important because its coming in second to what was the hottest storyline in WWE in recent history. Who cares what happens to your Undisputed Championship now? NOBODY. Everybody wants to know what happens to PUNK.....and how Cena's going to handle not losing clean. Now we throw Del Rio into THAT mix? Stupid. Just plain dumb.

Good points on Nash, he can barely walk his knees look like they are about to buckle, and he powerbombs someone 20 plus years younger than him for what. Friend of triple h's or not they couldn't find a better person. And yes it did bury Punk's work no matter what you marks say. And by the way i'm not a big CM Punk "face" fan but facts is facts. He got buried. And yea wtf can't Cena lose like every damn body else.

 

[TWJC: The Beginning]

Some of you need to post your IQ level's and age on each post. Nash BURIED?!?!?!? Punk? So I guess Punk wasn't over on Raw then huh? Coz that's what it means to bury someone.

You guys are fucking marks. Anyone who gets pissed about their favorite wrestler losing, especially when it's "cheap" is a fucking mark. It's fake, he didn't get buried, it makes the story and his character better.

 

[TWJC: The Beginning]

Good points on Nash, he can barely walk his knees look like they are about to buckle, and he powerbombs someone 20 plus years younger than him for what. Friend of triple h's or not they couldn't find a better person. And yes it did bury Punk's work no matter what you marks say. And by the way i'm not a big CM Punk "face" fan but facts is facts. He got buried. And yea wtf can't Cena lose like every damn body else.

Nash works FOR THE STORY. Stop being stupid dude. Nash being one of HHH's buddies makes the story work because everyone knows their friends. Who else would have worked better? Some other jacked but younger guy. No, it wouldn't fucking work because then there isn't that IMMEDIATE tie to HHH.

It did not bury Punk. Do you know what burying means? How the fuck does a guy getting powerbombed after a 30 minute match mean he's getting buried?

Fact is not fact, he didn't get buried. Punk is still over, and more over because of it. You are stupid. This isn't flaming, it's an abjective. Saying the stuff you say is stupid. Saying Punk getting screwed out of the title and held down by the man when his character is all about being held down by the man is "burying him" is stupid. It enhances Punk's character because it gives him more ammo.

Also, Cena doesn't lose as often because he's the face of the company. Winning is part of his character.

Pro wrestling doesn't work with "clean 1 on 1 wrestling" you don't "build credibility through clean wins" you don't "give someone a deserved 4 month title reign" you do EVERYTHING for the story. Nash coming back fit the story and creates a conspiracy with HHH and Punk that NO ONE else could have done.

Here's what I mean. For this "held down by the man" thing to work, it has to be one of HHH's friends for the conspiracy to work, so basically, it has to be the Kliq.
HBK? Yea, try getting HBK to be a heel. That would take away from Punk.
Waltman? No one cares about him and it's not as believable that he'd be able to manhandle Punk, post match or not.
Hall? Is he sober?

So you see, Nash works the best to create this story of "is HHH screwing Punk" and it gives Punk a LOT to talk about.

People saying Punk should have won clean are, indeed, marks. I thought Sting should win every match clean in 1995 when I was 6. If Punk wins the title clean, then what is his character going to talk about? How he's held down. Yea, that's gonna work when he has the fucking title, real held down there huh.

 

[RicoLen]

Scott Hall is supposedly both sober and in pretty good condition at the moment, he could have done it.

Razor's Edge instead of Jack Knife, and that's about the only real difference. Well, except that Nash is already employed and people know it... That' both good and bad as far as the story is concerned.

TBH though Nash was the BEST guy to do it because he is a legend that deserves a second run in the WWE as champ and some aging vet lip service.

On the other hand, Punk has arguably already paid his dues to be able to say "I've overcome adversity, and here I am at the top of the pile, because I'm CM Punk and I'm awesome!" ... or something like that.

Again, that's an option, but I think what they went with was best, his rise to notoriety is really off to a good start, but the key thing is here that it's just started and he has higher places yet to go, and this aids in that rise, because he's still fighting to be the guy on top. Once you give him a title reign that lasts months on end and he "legitimizes" himself as a top dog, the story of him rising from his perpetual burial or whatever you want to call it is over, and they have to figure out something new to do with him. Best to prolong the story and make it something far more storied than just a quick 2 month rise. People will forget him if that happens, but if it takes place over several months, then people will remember it and talk about how great it was.

 

[Alittude]

I lovd Nash's run in at SummerSlam it was cool as fuck but damn last night did he disappoint. It was cool to see him back but he was horrible on the mic and in the backstage segment. I know he would have some some rust but he just looked like an amateur doing it for the first time. I'm sure he will improve even by next week so it will be ok but yeah he better step it up if he wants to hang with Punk on the mic because he got embarrassed on Raw.