WWE General Complaints Thread

[George Steele's Barber]

Vince is in no rush to put out the next great creative idea in wrestling. I wonder if the strategy is to take all the ideas out of the people they bring in, reject or table each idea thereby running out the creators, bring in new people with new fresh ideas, reject or table those, go through this cycle over and over again, and then just use the previously rejected ideas when it become necessary to use them?

My guess is that once a WWE writer gives them to Vince the idea becomes WWE's property that they can use any time and any way they like.

But more importantly when is Vince going to use my idea for a Bounceyhouse Brawl?

 

[dkorolenchuk]

I have a few points to make that I dislike about WWe TV

1)I hate when announcers over opionate like when Ryback challenged Cena to an Ambulance match,the big word being "challenged",soon as he drove away Michael Cole "announced" an ambulance match for Payback???,with a PPV every month they move too fast and let wrestlers and announcer give announcements instead of the old challenge issued/accepted route.

2)This one is about house shows,The Score in Canada announces 2 or 3 at a time and they will say John Cena defends his title vs Ryback at all of them,we also know he will defend the title at Payback,where is the idea that "anything" can happen?again with ppv every month it really spoils the 3 weekends of house shows knowing that the monday after a ppv the next ppv matches are usually announced.It would be nice to tune into raw and have the "new" champion come out that won the belt at a house show in Tempe Arizona?It would make house shows a more must see event knowing that could happen.

 

[The Champ]

I have a few points to make that I dislike about WWe TV

1)I hate when announcers over opionate like when Ryback challenged Cena to an Ambulance match,the big word being "challenged",soon as he drove away Michael Cole "announced" an ambulance match for Payback???,with a PPV every month they move too fast and let wrestlers and announcer give announcements instead of the old challenge issued/accepted route.

2)This one is about house shows,The Score in Canada announces 2 or 3 at a time and they will say John Cena defends his title vs Ryback at all of them,we also know he will defend the title at Payback,where is the idea that "anything" can happen?again with ppv every month it really spoils the 3 weekends of house shows knowing that the monday after a ppv the next ppv matches are usually announced.It would be nice to tune into raw and have the "new" champion come out that won the belt at a house show in Tempe Arizona?It would make house shows a more must see event knowing that could happen.

You can't book a product around non-televised events, though. If the predictability is such a problem that it makes house shows less fun, then save your money for when Raw comes around. If they had titles changing hands at house shows every couple of weeks, the general audience would never see half of those changes, essentially rendering them pointless. Now, I don't mind when they do it every once in a while, especially with the midcard titles, but it's simply not something they can do all the time.

As for the first point, there have been way bigger lapses in logic than that over the years; it could be explained by simply saying that Vickie liked the match idea and decided that it would, in fact, happen.

 

[newwaveknight]

If I had any complaints these would be my two:

RAW is three hours long:

I love wrestling as much as the next guy, but I can't watch ANYTHING for that long on a weekly basis. I have a full-time job and an active social life, and although DVR makes the pain a little more bearable, I can hardly find the time to get in three hours of RAW, two hours of Impact, and two hours of SmackDown. For the most part, I don't watch SmackDown because of my second complaint.

Unified Brands

I liked the idea of having two separate brands because as the WWE bought out ECW and WCW, their roster size greatly increased. Having two separate brands gave them a chance to showcase all of the roster, but since the brands unified I get five hours a week of the same people. Not to mention, it has made the IC and US belts both lose a lot of their value.

The sad thing is that both of these problems could have been avoided if anyone would even TRY and remember some of the stuff that killed WCW.

 

[info62]

If I had any complaints these would be my two:

RAW is three hours long:

I love wrestling as much as the next guy, but I can't watch ANYTHING for that long on a weekly basis. I have a full-time job and an active social life, and although DVR makes the pain a little more bearable, I can hardly find the time to get in three hours of RAW, two hours of Impact, and two hours of SmackDown. For the most part, I don't watch SmackDown because of my second complaint.

Unified Brands

I liked the idea of having two separate brands because as the WWE bought out ECW and WCW, their roster size greatly increased. Having two separate brands gave them a chance to showcase all of the roster, but since the brands unified I get five hours a week of the same people. Not to mention, it has made the IC and US belts both lose a lot of their value.

The sad thing is that both of these problems could have been avoided if anyone would even TRY and remember some of the stuff that killed WCW.

I agree about the brand split. I know a lot of people were calling for it to end for a long time but I dislike the current unified brand. Smackdown is pretty much useless and I don't even know the names of any of the other WWE shows anymore cause there is no point in watching them

The IC and US title belts are especially suffering as you mentioned. There just can't be two midcard titles on a unified brand where the midcard would be average-to-underwhelming for just one belt.

I agree about the 3 hours too but I've complained about that enough already and there's not much to expand on what you have already said

 

[TempestH]

A problem I see is that WWE doesn't know how to get anyone over without either hotshotting them into the main event, or into programs with main event talent, or having them just squash everyone.

WWE refuses to build a strong midcard, instead choosing to try to make everyone out to be "main eventers" on varying levels. WWE is trying to make too many people into "stars", and as a result, we have none, because there are so many of them that none of them stand out.

They neglect their midcard so badly that they've created the mindset that "midcarder = jobber", so the only way that a wrestler won't be looked down on is if they get pushed into the main event, so we have a bloated main event scene and a shitty midcard.

We end up with no real midcarders apart from the directionless main eventers who can't fit into the World Title scene at the moment and are just waiting their turn. All the real midcarders are used solely to job to the main eventers, pet projects, and newbies. They're booked so weakly that in the event that they do wrestle each other, the loser just looks like a "jobber to other jobbers", and thus it looks bad whenever Zack Ryder loses to Heath Slater, or Alex Riley loses to an NXT guy, and they end up looking weaker than they already look.

 

[HeenanGorilla]

The passing of Matt Borne has brought a lot of requests for his induction into the WWE Hall of Fame in 2014. Whether he belongs in or not is not the point of this post. I am writing to express my disgust with you phonies who couldn't give a shit about people getting into the Hall of Fame--and in this particular case piss all over the Doink character--until the performer passes away. Then, all of a sudden, WWE HAS TO induct this person. Where do you people get the balls?? You are so full of shit!

Paul Bearer, Doink....where were you people when they were alive but out of the limelight? Not giving a shit, that's where! Doink was always an underrated character, in my opinion. He is listed on WrestleCrap, he is bashed mercilessly on this forum and is always listed as one of the worst gimmicks ever. If that is your opinion, that's fine. I disagree, but thats fine. I always thought that the evil version of Doink had potential to be bigger than it ended up being. In fact, I named Doink in a post about gimmicks that should have made it on the very day Matt Borne passed away--before hearing of his passing. Why? a) because I believed it and b) because I never understood why you people pissed on the character.

Now, you full-of-shit phonies WHO PISS ON THE HALL OF FAME ALL THE TIME demand this character you loathed be inducted. You are all such mindless puppets, it is laughable!

Every damn time the HOF is brought up, you unoriginal goofs list the same arguments..."Koko B Ware is in, why not Wrestler X?" "I mean, if Drew Carey can get in, why not so and so?" SHUT UP!!! You don't appreciate Koko's contributions..ok. You don't see what Drew Carey brought to WWE...ok. ENOUGH ALREADY!!! You made your point, get over yourselves!

I have opinions on who should and shouldn't be in the HOF. If someone gets inducted or ignored, I disagree...and then move on. You people beat these same dead horses and for no other reason than to get your fellow basement-dwelling no-lifes to agree with you. All of your answers with "enough said" or "no need to explain this one". Guess what? There is no need for you to respond...no one gives a shit about your opinions stated as fact.

You are all so full of shit and don't know it, it is pathetic and sad. Same assholes who couldn't give a shit about Mark Henry for almost 20 years and now think he's the best thing out there because he fooled you idiots with a transparent swerve. Fuckin idiots...

 

[TheWhole'Fn'Show]

I Have a Few Complains.

Complaint 1- They need to start pushing the younger talent rather then bringing back all the Older Wrestlers, Don't get me wrong I love seeing them as much as the next person but its time for the younger superstars to shine. They got such good talent there wasting but they gotta have the spot light on all the older talent.

Complaint 2- Need to stop using good superstars as jobbers. Its stupid and pointless. Like for instance Justin Gabriel he is an excellent Wrestler yet week after week they keep making him loose to Ryback and Mark Henry. They need to start pushing these superstars rather then holding them back.

Complaint 3- Better storylines, I agree with the over used storylines, its boring to see the same storyline week after week its like come on..really get some new stuff.

Complaint 4- They really need to start working on the Divas there matches dont even last 2 mins. they need to start letting there matches go longer and letting them show what they can do. and I'm tired of seeing the same diva's fight week after week. they should get some Divas from Nxt like paige.. she is an awesome diva that would be perfect for wwe.

 

[HillBillyJim]

ive watched RAW since about 1994, and back then usually each episode would be an Isenburg B+ to A. these days, however, we can have a very memorable episode followed by total utter garbage. Whats going on here? why is there no consistency? thoughts appreciated.

 

[BrianFNPillman]

Pointing out maybe the most "reported" issue that usually accompanies a shoddy RAW is Vince going into Bizarro-Vinnie Mac mode and demanding last minute re-writes of segments or the entire show which obviously leads to the up-down-up-down pace of your average show. Nobody really knowing what they're doing for the most part.

 

[AJ_Styles_P1]

One of main issues with the WWE is the booking.

I hate how we seem to never get clean wins with a Finisher and a clean 1-2-3, there are always interferences, rollups, exc. Things to protect characters.

I also don't like how they book certain guys, Cena for one (obvious reasons) And Bryan, I really didn't like what they did, everyone says he was showcased and stuff but the whole point of the show was to try to get some of Bryans popularity to rub off on Cena.

 

[Nate DaMac]

One of main issues with the WWE is the booking.

I hate how we seem to never get clean wins with a Finisher and a clean 1-2-3, there are always interferences, rollups, exc. Things to protect characters.

I also don't like how they book certain guys, Cena for one (obvious reasons) And Bryan, I really didn't like what they did, everyone says he was showcased and stuff but the whole point of the show was to try to get some of Bryans popularity to rub off on Cena.

They were trying to get some of Bryan's popularity to rub off on the most popular guy in wrestling. That makes sense. It seemed to me, and anyone else who isn't a jaded cunt, that they were having Cena come out to help Bryan despite being asked not to to build some tension between the two.

I am not too fond of the roll-up finish either, but Bryan (I assume that's who you're talking about) doesn't seem to have a high impact finisher, only the Yes Lock or No Lock or whatever the fuck it's called now. Not sure if you've been paying attention, but in the past month he's beaten Orton, Christian, and Swagger with that move clean as a whistle.

 

[Suikervrij]

You have a good point with him not having many high impact moves. It's made him more of an underdog but submissions are never as highly regarded as real flashy finishers. ADR with his arm bar and Miz with the figure 4 these days aren't really coming over either, only if they had a damn good match.

 

[Killercam]

The guy gets no response from the crowd and he was pushed to the moon since his debut and through all the years of no crowd response and having do connection to the crowd. What the fuck is going on here? When will this God-awful experiment end?

 

[Christian Faith]

It was interesting when it first started as Edge's first cash in came from nowhere. The same happened with Punk but nowadays in my opinion it's not only gotten predictable but it's devaluing the titles.

Last night we saw Daniel Bryan become WWE champion only to lose it to an Orton cash in after around 3 minutes or so. The same thing once happened to Jeff Hardy and The Big Show (ok the WHC is about as valuable as a piece of tin foil these days but still...)

I remember Wrestlemania 9 I was a huge Hart fan but knew Yokozuna would beat him and expected that Yoko would go on a year long run. He beat Bret as expected but around 2 minutes later Hogan took the belt from him and ruined my 10th birthday in the process!

I hated it and felt that not only was it pointless giving Yoko the belt but it devalued the title with such a pathetic "reign".

Skip forward 20 years later and title reigns lasting minutes or even seconds are the norm nowadays thanks to money in the bank cash in's.

Personally I am sick of the damn briefcase and wish it would do one!

Surely I am not alone?

 

[Y 2 Jake]

I'm sick of surprise cash-ins. They got old years ago. But on a whole, MITB usually delivers solid matches and a good PPV and there's still some excitement to be had from knowing a nobody like Damien Sandow has a World Heavyweight Championship opportunity.

If the gimmick ends I wouldn't care. But before it does WWE need to have somebody state that they're going to cash in on a specific date and that date should be at WrestleMania. That'd be the best way for the gimmick to bow out.

 

[Xemmy]

I'm fed up with how's it's done, not the gimmick itself. Surprise cash ins aren't very surprising anymore. Another thing I'm annoyed with is the brand separation that they have now. Make it once a year, one match, at 'Mania. It doesn't need it's own pay-per-view. And, they need someone to actually lose. I'm tired of it being a guaranteed World Championship.

I think one of the reasons it's lost it's luster is the gradual lessening of importance of the World Heavyweight Championship as well.

All these things have just watered down MITB. It needs to be made simple, and pure.

 

[cornerdon26]

The matches are too good - which is the biggest problem.
Potentially to freshen things up, why not do a Tag Team MITB match next year. It could be a way of creating new tag teams, as well as having exciting spots and exposing the division.

If they had done it this year you could have had Uso's, Real Americans, PTP's, Primo/Epico, an NXT team, The Wyatt Family, 3MB as well as forming random teams who want gold. I currently wonder if Kofi and Ziggler could make a good team, saw somebody suggest it and I think they could work well, would get Ziggler over as a face as well.

 

[BeastFromTheEast]

I'm sick of the manner it gets cashed in. At least make it to where the person that is cashing in loses from time to time. I hate that the MIB holder is literally guaranteed to be champ, *cough cough* Randy Orton. Why couldn't he have lost after cashing in, shock the world and solidify DB as a main event star. That's how I would have scripted it anyway....

 

[Fire Marshall Bill]

Anyone else find it funny that this thread pops up the day after DB loses the title to a MITB cash in? I bet you hated smarks for a good 2 days after they chanted "Husky Harris" too.

As for MITB, I think it would be less predictable if they went back to one case. That's what makes it so predictable, because each year it seems like one guy cashes in quickly while the other holds out. I bet you won't hate MITB when Sandow cashes in

If they go back to one case then it removes that form of the predictability. Right now, given the state of current feuds and the title holders, it makes it so much easier to predict who's going to be the one to cash in quickly and who won't. Why would they have Sandow cash in now when he can't even beat Cody Rhodes?

With one case it makes it much less predictable. The holder doesn't even have to be in a feud to cash it in. It's a great way to start a new feud and put someone into the main event.

I'm not tired of MITB simply because the matches, and the PPV, are generally pretty damn good. I would not have an issue going to one case again though.

 

[[cL]]

I agree...I'm kinda over it. I was very impressed with the match last night and happy to see DB win. Even more impressed that he won clean. (jaw actually dropped as i was shocked that the match ended the way it did.) To see him celebrate and hear all the dreams-do-come-true stuff just to see it end not 3 minutes later was annoying. I am not a DB mark or a smark, but I do thoroughly enjoy DB. I really wanted him to win though I had a feeling something ill was going to happen. I just thought (well wished) that RKO would come out, cash in and lose, cementing DB as a main event-er. It just kinda took the air out of the balloon in my opinion.
Adding Trips into the mix just screwed it sideways even more. It seemed to have deflated an otherwise rarity that is awesome WWE ppv's.

 

[hardingnathan33]

One of my big hates with WWE is that a new superstar or a returning one, gets a new gimmick and style and is unstoppable, beating the best of best.

Although after a while the gimmick either gets dropped, the superstar ends up jobbing to everyone, or they just go off the radar...

Some recent examples of this are - Tensai, Brodus Clay, Wade Barrett, Fandango, Zack Ryder

 

[Dysturbed]

One of my big hates with WWE is that a new superstar or a returning one, gets a new gimmick and style and is unstoppable, beating the best of best.

Although after a while the gimmick either gets dropped, the superstar ends up jobbing to everyone, or they just go off the radar...

Some recent examples of this are - Tensai, Brodus Clay, Wade Barrett, Fandango, Zack Ryder

I agree that it can be annoying, but I'm cool with it, at least in the times when it doesn't "harm" wrestlers so to speak. Four of your five examples (maybe all five in your opinion) were seemingly harmed on a more permanent basis (I think that Fandango and Barrett will be fine in due time and maybe the others) but there are also examples of those who weren't, or probably won't be. The members of the Shield for example will probably each go on extended losing streaks at some point, but I have a feeling that they won't be seen as less legit. Same with Bray Wyatt when it is his turn.

Establishing or reestablishing someone with some big victories is helpful cause if someone keeps losing right when they debut or start with a new gimmick, some fans may find it hard to care about them. The losing part tends to be overdone once it happens, but the concept of humbling the stars is probably a smart one. Unfortunately, during that phase, some people lose too much steam and find it hard to recover once the time comes for the initial push to resume. Sometimes it seems to be a matter of poor booking, or sometimes other things.

It is mostly noticeable to me when it happens with "monsters" as they start out being unphased by things like chairs or attacks by multiple people at once, only to easily succumb to those things. That makes sense too though since nobody can be unstoppable forever.

 

[OnlyGodCanKillMe]

Trips has done a lot to improve the company this past year, and I must say we are finally entering that every-5-year-turn-of-the-era era. However, that's not to say that there isn't a lot left to desire from the product and company.

1. SmackDown! is trash. It's basically RAW-lite and gives a viewer no reason to watch it. I won't delve into why that is, because in my opinion it's self explanatory, but they need to do something with SmackDown. One of those things has to be moving it onto a work/schoolnight like Thursday or Wednesday, because I guarantee you no one is sitting at home on the tube or wants to sit home on a Friday night. I also wouldn't mind a brand split again, but that poses problems as visibility for SmackDown! stars wouldn't be high, a detriment in an era where new stars are blossoming and need exposure.

2. Wrestlers deserving of a push or even a look aren't getting them. Ex; Justin Gabriel, Kofi Kingston, David Otunga, PTP, etc. WWE has done a tremendous job of utilizing nearly every talent they have recently, but there's still people being overlooked.

3. Commentary. Get rid of Jerry Lawler ASAP, keep Michael Cole but use him on a way less extent. He was that green, dweeb-sounding play by play in the Attitude Era, no way he should have taken over JR's role. I don't know all the commentators in the WWE, but JBL is fantastic and Josh Matthews is good too. They recently got rid of Matt Striker, but if he ever comes back they should put him back on the table, as he was passionate, knowledgeable, and "journalistic". They should also look into getting a female commentator, just to change things up, but of course she would have to be amazing. I hear Tony Dawson is good too. Alex Riley is a little bit better than average, and The Miz is just average/awful on some occasions.

4. Alberto Del Rio

5. Reluctance to repackage people. Curt Axel, Bray Wyatt, Fandango, and company are all great, but it honestly can't be that hard for creative to come up with something for the lower midcard guys and the Main Event mafia sorts (Kofi, Gabriel, Brodus Clay).

6. Diminished title value. I don't specifically comply with the generic IWC complaints of the IC title not having value like it used to, the WHC being worthless, etc. etc., but I have to say the championships are feeling practically irrelevant right now. The WWE title is the only belt to care for, with the Tag Team titles following close behind. The IC belt played fourth fiddle to Curtis Axel who played third fiddle to the Punk/Lesnar/Heyman feud. Axel doesn't even really defend it, and I rarely see him carrying it. I often forget who even holds the IC/US titles. Ambrose isn't really defending the US title neither, as he's more involved with the D-Bry/Shield storylines and rivalries going on. The WHC is only relevant because it's defended and the champion is always on TV, but nobody really cares about the WHC picture. The Tag Team belts are worth something, because Reigns and Rollins have proven to be a dominant commodity along with Ambrose countless times, and really seem like an unstoppable force, thereby bringing value to the tag team belts. However, the tag division is still sorely lacking with only about 2 organic tag teams on the roster right now (Los Matadores and Uso's). Yeah, the JR cliche goes that the title doesn't make the man, but they need to start bringing legitimacy back to some of the belts, and fulfill the flipped side of that adage.

 

[pepentorresHHH]

Ill be the first to admit I prefer Randy as a heel.... Triple H's prmos have been excellent to the point where i want to see someone punch my favorite wrestler of all times down.... And adaniel Bryan has become one on my favorites BUT......

Am I the only one tired with 3 Raws starting with a Randy Orton/Triple H promo belittling Bryan... And then the night ending with the roster watching as Bryan is taken down and Randy poses with the belt.....

I get Bryan is fighting an army but change the ending..... Not even when acena was fighting the Nexus he was laid out to end the shows 3 weeks in a row.... Evolution didnt left HHH's world title challenger down 3 Raws in a row...

Please spmething different....

thoughts?