WWE General Complaints Thread

[mrpops]

This isnt a troll post. This is a discussion on how much his career has sucked hard overall. He was amazing.....10 years ago. Jericho overhyped his return. He made it such a big deal and couldnt deliver. Then he tried BS-ing us into thinking he "trolled" us. Then he did nothing but lose for 9 months LMAO. Was i entertained? Yes, but it still doesnt change the fact that jericho is a loser and hasnt main evented wrestlemania since WM18.

Oh sick burn. But its fact. Look at his career. Since then he has fought shawn micheals(which was awesome at mania). And um...a bunch of loser 50 year old has beens/never was's(lol).

Seriously, i read both his books and he has a huge ego. He was being passive agressive. He kept on talking about his huge ego, the fact he tries so hard and cant get over. He brags so much about his success but no one actually cares.

And he's so proud of his "acting". He took acting classes and apparantly hes a great actor now. Apparantly his "expressions" that he did on TV were amazing. "Hey im Chris Jericho, and i can smile and do a smug face so im the best in the world" LMAO.

What a joke. The best part is if jericho actually read this he would be like "oh well my job is to entertain you and i did it". Yes you did jericho....but you accomplished nothing. You havent been the face of the company in over 10 years. You suck. The End.

 

[thedreffect]

Well he came back, put on a good match with Punk and now put over Ziggler as the guy who 'finished' jericho. His return was good for others. I always liked seeing him.

 

[Sicc Nick]

He beat The Rock and Steve Austin, two of the most legendary wrestlers in the history of the WWE, during the Attitude Era, to be the first ever Undisputed champion, on the exact same night and also main evented the most star-studded Wrestlemania of all time against Triple H, which is the same PPV with one of the biggest semi-main events of all time, Hulk Hogan vs. The Rock.

You're an idiot. Fact.

 

[d_henderson1810]

Before I get slammed for the title of this thread, let me explain!

I recently attended the WWE show in Melbourne, Australia, and this prompted me to look back at other Australian tours for WWE on Youtube.

Amongst some of these, was a Youtube video of an incident in Adelaide, between C.M. Punk and a fan, where Punk said that the fan had "female body parts" (but used a different word instead) and questioned the fan's sexuality (but called him an offensive name to describe it) (I am not using the actual language used, to avoid being modded).

Now, this wasn't an incident where a fan reached over the barrier to Punk, since security were at their posts, and not getting invovled. So, from what I gather, it was Punk arguing with a fan, and calling him names.

I read that, at the time, another fan who was there, used their mobile phone to record it, and it went viral, and Punk got disciplined by WWE, as gay-rights groups got offended by what he said.

There is another incident at another show, where Punk is berating a kid wearing John Cena gear. Both of these were on tours. I don't believe that Punk insulting the fan was just for storyline, to build Cena-Punk or anything, as it occurred at a house show, and since it wasn't going to be recorded, there is no point to staging a mock argument with a fan.

Given these incidents, and from other sources, I get the impression that Phil Brooks aka C.M. Punk is a douchebag in real life. His current heel persona is probably not far from the truth, as it seems that Punk treats fans with contempt and is a smartass backstage.

Now, this isn't me being a Punk hater. He is a terrific wrestler, perhaps the best in-ring worker in WWE (him or Bryan), but Punk the real person seems like not a very nice person at all.

I wonder if this is why Punk doesn't main-event PPVs, despite being champion? John Cena gets pushed partly because he treats the paying customer well (I have not heard of Cena abusing fans who boo him), he keeps his nose clean, and does anything the WWE wants him to do. I can imagine that Vince would feel safer having someone like Cena to represent WWE, than someone who calls fans vile names and has a smart mouth on him like Punk.

I know that you all mock Cena's goodness, and admire Punk for not being a "puppet", but put yourself in Vince's shoes. Since the Benoit incident, Vince is paranoid about doing anything which may get WWE in trouble, so he would rather send Cena onto talkshows, knowing that Cena won't drop a nasty word, or cause controversy. It's about the bottom line in the end.

So, then, you ask, why put the title on Punk, if he would be an embarrasment to the WWE? I have a theory that this is a repeat of what happened in 1995-96. WWF/E had just been scrutinized and got in trouble in a steroid trial, so Vince, determined to show that WWF doesn't just put the title on 'roided freaks, put the title on Bret "Hitman" Hart and "The Heartbreak Kid" Shawn Michaels, and pushed them to the top, because they were skinnier, smaller guys, who still had enough appeal to get people watching.

Well, today is a repeat of that. Since there was talk of steroids surrounding Benoit, Vince has put the title on a clean-living person like Punk, and a vegan like Bryan, who emphasis a drug-free, alcohol-free, healthy lifestyle, which gives WWE a better perception. However, because Punk is also a loose cannon, he can have the title, but not be the No. 1 guy representing the company.

 

[asiatic7]

Punk doesn't hide from the fact that he's an asshole outside the ring...in fact, he embraces it! He once sid in an interview on Colt Cabana's podcast that he is always in a bad mood. He doesn't like to sign autographs and tries to avoid fan confontation in public places. He has his reasons for feeling this way and I think I understand why.

I actually like CM Punk as a wrestler and performer, but he is definitely one person I wouldn't want to meet. I have a friend who attended a Ring Of Honor show back when Punk was wrestling there and he said Punk reluctantly signed his autograph and told my friend, "You're not going to make any money with that"(referring to the autograph). I'm pretty sure he has his reasons for being tha way he is but, everyone can't be John Cena right?

Wrestling is full of assholes and you would be surprised who is who....

 

[OutsiderDX]

It's well known that Punk is a prick outside the ring. I don't think he has ever hid that fact. Maria even confirmed that in an interview I heard a few years ago.

But I'm totally fine with that.

Being true to yourself is not a bad thing. It's better than being fake. Fake like John Cena, who acts like a good guy in all interviews, but in real is just biggest man-skank in wrestling. Banging every ring rat from maine to mexico. Cena smiles for the cameras then goes straight to the clinic for a STD test.

It's refreshing to see a public person not force a persona just to sell their latest project.

Bravo Punk.... the world needs A-holes, as much as it needs friendly people.

 

[boywithbluehanger]

I believe that he probably is a douchebag in real life but I pose a question to you: Do you think that most successful athletes or performers in sports or entertainment industries are people who would likely be friends with you if given the chance? I tend to think not. Most people have specific likes and dislikes when it comes to befriending someone. C.M. Punk might be the type of guy that someone would really like but just like everyone else, he is a preferred taste to only a certain type of person.

For example, I'm a fan of the Washington Redskins but I highly doubt that (if I had the opportunity to be around them often) I would like most of the guys on the roster and vice versa - they would probably not like me either. We don't have the same things in common so we have different opinions. C.M. Punk probably has an explanation as to why he's a dick to people that I am unable to understand because I don't share his experiences.

 

[d_henderson1810]

I believe that he probably is a douchebag in real life but I pose a question to you: Do you think that most successful athletes or performers in sports or entertainment industries are people who would likely be friends with you if given the chance? I tend to think not. Most people have specific likes and dislikes when it comes to befriending someone. C.M. Punk might be the type of guy that someone would really like but just like everyone else, he is a preferred taste to only a certain type of person.

For example, I'm a fan of the Washington Redskins but I highly doubt that (if I had the opportunity to be around them often) I would like most of the guys on the roster and vice versa - they would probably not like me either. We don't have the same things in common so we have different opinions. C.M. Punk probably has an explanation as to why he's a dick to people that I am unable to understand because I don't share his experiences.

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I get this.

My point is that, I feel that this may explain why Punk is not given the top spot in the company. You may not agree, but WWE can't have a guy who fights with fans on tours representing it.

It is one thing for Punk to "be himself". I am glad to hear that he actually lives his "Straight-Edge" lifestyle. But that is not a justification to call a fan an offensive name. You need to keep your head in that situation. Like it or not, it hurts him with WWE.

Punk can act any way he likes, but he needs to realize that he will be limited in how much responsibility he will be given in WWE. There's no way around it in today's society.

I have heard it be said that 90% of the decisions to "clean up" the WWE, wouldn't have been as severe if the Benoit murders, and subsequent media scrutiny had never happened. So, while Punk acts a particular way, any bad press WWE gets is now a big deal.

I believe , to a large extent, "Stone Cold" Steve Austin was very similar in real life to his on-screen persona, and probably wasn't the nicest person either, but he never got WWE in hot water for berating fans at shows, even when he played a heel.

Punk can act anyway he likes in his own time, but, when representing WWE overseas, he needs to put a sock in it when berating fans.

 

[George Steele's Barber]

Before I get slammed for the title of this thread, let me explain!

I recently attended the WWE show in Melbourne, Australia, and this prompted me to look back at other Australian tours for WWE on Youtube.

Amongst some of these, was a Youtube video of an incident in Adelaide, between C.M. Punk and a fan, where Punk said that the fan had "female body parts" (but used a different word instead) and questioned the fan's sexuality (but called him an offensive name to describe it) (I am not using the actual language used, to avoid being modded).

Now, this wasn't an incident where a fan reached over the barrier to Punk, since security were at their posts, and not getting invovled. So, from what I gather, it was Punk arguing with a fan, and calling him names.

I read that, at the time, another fan who was there, used their mobile phone to record it, and it went viral, and Punk got disciplined by WWE, as gay-rights groups got offended by what he said.

There is another incident at another show, where Punk is berating a kid wearing John Cena gear. Both of these were on tours. I don't believe that Punk insulting the fan was just for storyline, to build Cena-Punk or anything, as it occurred at a house show, and since it wasn't going to be recorded, there is no point to staging a mock argument with a fan.

He is there to get a reaction out of the crowd and to give them an emotional experience so that when he gets punched in the head the fans get to be uplifted. His choice of words may have been in poor taste but that doesn't make him a douche bag.

Given these incidents, and from other sources, I get the impression that Phil Brooks aka C.M. Punk is a douchebag in real life. His current heel persona is probably not far from the truth, as it seems that Punk treats fans with contempt and is a smartass backstage.

Now, this isn't me being a Punk hater. He is a terrific wrestler, perhaps the best in-ring worker in WWE (him or Bryan), but Punk the real person seems like not a very nice person at all.

I wonder if this is why Punk doesn't main-event PPVs, despite being champion?

Even if he is a douche bag in real life the reason he doesn't main event is because of money. Because he it makes WWE more money to have other guys at the top of the card. John Cena, HHH, and Brock Lesnar make WWE more money, it is pretty simple.

John Cena gets pushed partly because he treats the paying customer well (I have not heard of Cena abusing fans who boo him), he keeps his nose clean, and does anything the WWE wants him to do. I can imagine that Vince would feel safer having someone like Cena to represent WWE, than someone who calls fans vile names and has a smart mouth on him like Punk.

I know that you all mock Cena's goodness, and admire Punk for not being a "puppet", but put yourself in Vince's shoes. Since the Benoit incident, Vince is paranoid about doing anything which may get WWE in trouble, so he would rather send Cena onto talkshows, knowing that Cena won't drop a nasty word, or cause controversy. It's about the bottom line in the end.

So, then, you ask, why put the title on Punk, if he would be an embarrasment to the WWE? I have a theory that this is a repeat of what happened in 1995-96. WWF/E had just been scrutinized and got in trouble in a steroid trial, so Vince, determined to show that WWF doesn't just put the title on 'roided freaks, put the title on Bret "Hitman" Hart and "The Heartbreak Kid" Shawn Michaels, and pushed them to the top, because they were skinnier, smaller guys, who still had enough appeal to get people watching.

Well, today is a repeat of that. Since there was talk of steroids surrounding Benoit, Vince has put the title on a clean-living person like Punk, and a vegan like Bryan, who emphasis a drug-free, alcohol-free, healthy lifestyle, which gives WWE a better perception.

Look at your history, Benoit was five years ago. Since then we have had plenty of champions and new superstars that look or possibly are completely roided up. Not that it matters since being champion doesn't make you the face of the company. Benoit and Chris Nowinski have triggered WWE to focus more on head and brain injury prevention and treatment.

However, because Punk is also a loose cannon, he can have the title, but not be the No. 1 guy representing the company.

No, Punk can't be the number one guy representing the company because he doesn't draw as well and maybe he doesn't want to be that guy. Also, John Cena is really doing a good job cleaning up WWE's image and making them money.

 

[boywithbluehanger]

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I get this.

My point is that, I feel that this may explain why Punk is not given the top spot in the company. You may not agree, but WWE can't have a guy who fights with fans on tours representing it.

It is one thing for Punk to "be himself". I am glad to hear that he actually lives his "Straight-Edge" lifestyle. But that is not a justification to call a fan an offensive name. You need to keep your head in that situation. Like it or not, it hurts him with WWE.

Punk can act any way he likes, but he needs to realize that he will be limited in how much responsibility he will be given in WWE. There's no way around it in today's society.

I have heard it be said that 90% of the decisions to "clean up" the WWE, wouldn't have been as severe if the Benoit murders, and subsequent media scrutiny had never happened. So, while Punk acts a particular way, any bad press WWE gets is now a big deal.

I believe , to a large extent, "Stone Cold" Steve Austin was very similar in real life to his on-screen persona, and probably wasn't the nicest person either, but he never got WWE in hot water for berating fans at shows, even when he played a heel.

Punk can act anyway he likes in his own time, but, when representing WWE overseas, he needs to put a sock in it when berating fans.

I never disagreed with your reasoning as to why Punk is not "the guy" for the WWE and that's because I don't. Your thread never posed a question for us (the posters) to answer so I was just giving my opinion as to why you or others might think he's a douchebag. And it seems we both agree with each other for the most part.

C.M. Punk could be the face of the WWE by playing the anti-hero but at the moment, they don't need a new face of the company. Also, Punk doesn't prove to be a major improvement from Cena financially. So at this point, it only makes sense to keep the two in situations where they frequently interact rather than go in the direction of needlessly replacing Cena's exposure with Punk.

 

[Peridot]

Before I start let me say I know about his wellness violations and his attitude, I am talking about ever since his absolutely stellar feud with christian.

Right, now let me get into this. The viper has had his venom taken out, and I know he's a face. But he's just so... bland. I love watching him perform and I know its tricky to book him right now as the main event is so packed right now but this Randy Orton is just bland for me.

The first step was banning the punt. It took away the malice that we came to love from him, he didn't feel satisfied with beating someone he had to put them out of action, he wanted to HURT them. It gave him an edge, something that made u want to watch him. The next step was just making him all jovial and "fun". Randy Orton, well i thought anyway, was someone who was out to hurt people, take names and win championships.

What made 2009 RKO so insane was that he was literally pushing the boundaries constantly, yeah he was a heel and could do that, but why can that not translate as a face? He should be torturing his opponents, literally to the point where they do not come back. He needs to be the guy that does not stop at going after a wrestler but attacks everything that wrestler stands for. Hell I reckon he could be the one to really establish The Miz when he gets back, he RKO'd him and now randy can go after his whole "movie star" image, hell if it was me id really push some boundaries, have him attack The Miz on a set or something. Really come after him, that's the Randy Orton we need. Someone who pushes people to the limit. Not doing jumping jacks or hugging cena when he gets fired. We need the guy who would blow someone up before losing.

This may sound unplausible, but I just hate what has become of Randy now. He just seems lost and he looks like he's just calling it in.

 

[boozinjedi]

I kind of agree with you,I do miss the punt!!

But we've yet to see them give him a rivalry to push him to that point in some time.

Del Rio has started to get under his skin,but they need to let BOTH take it to that level where you think the hatrid seems real.

Last guy I saw do that to the viper and have give it in return was HHH leading up to WM25. That was intense buildup to a feud.

 

[MikeyTheAwesome]

I totally understand where you are coming from. What you just described is what really got Orton over with the crowd. No matter what Orton did, the crowd loved it, and it was like WWE was forced to turn him face.

Orton is actually one of my favorite wrestlers but I do agree that he's lost his edge since WWE turned him heel. His best feud IMO was with Christian last year as we got to see some of the stuff that made him who he was back during his heel days. I always looked at Orton as an alternative to Cena. Orton needs to turn heel and go back to what he did best. I think a good way to do it would be attacking Sheamus which could not only re-evaluate himself as a heel, but also help Sheamus become a better face, in which WWE has failed to do so

 

[Peridot]

I totally understand where you are coming from. What you just described is what really got Orton over with the crowd. No matter what Orton did, the crowd loved it, and it was like WWE was forced to turn him face.

Orton is actually one of my favorite wrestlers but I do agree that he's lost his edge since WWE turned him heel. His best feud IMO was with Christian last year as we got to see some of the stuff that made him who he was back during his heel days. I always looked at Orton as an alternative to Cena. Orton needs to turn heel and go back to what he did best. I think a good way to do it would be attacking Sheamus which could not only re-evaluate himself as a heel, but also help Sheamus become a better face, in which WWE has failed to do so

For me... his situation atm means id probably have him go after the miz. Both great workers and talkers. I dont think u need to turn him, just make him more vicious actually have him engage with his character a LOT MORE!!

A RKO vs Miz fued would do wonders for the IC title as well as give both a great fued to have.

 

[Aberle4Life]

I haven't been able to keep up on the forums as much as I have in the past, so forgive me if this topic has been covered and/or is currently under another thread. Please feel free to move it if needed.

Years ago, the WWE featured a storyline in which Vince McMahon brought the nWo in to "inject a lethal dose of poison" into the WWE and kill it. Obviously he didn't want to kill it in real life...back then, anyway. Now, sometimes I get the feeling he's actually trying to do this.

Hear me out. I don't think I'm completely on board with the thought I'm about to share, but it's there. I believe that Vince realizes the best days of both his life and of the wrestling business are over. Hence, in order to further cement his status as the greatest promoter in wrestling history (which already is cemented as of now), Vince has allowed WWE to spiral down over the past decade--once he finally hands it over, it's going to be weaker than it is now. In the years after that, who knows if it will remain the global jauggernaut it has become. The aftermath of all of this? Vince McMahon will be the one who took WWE to the heights it was at, and without him it sunk back down.

There's at least a few reasons why I think this is a possiblility, though admittedly I believe Vince is only doing this subconsciously and doesn't actively think about ways to hurt his product. Look at the in-ring component of RAW--there is the occasional passable match, but most of them are garbage that last only a few minutes and feature the same routine every week. This does not build wrestling fans who appreciate the art.

How about CM Punk and what I think is the biggest blunder currently occurring in WWE? Punk had the biggest single moment on RAW since perhaps Austin when he launched his pipebomb last year. Since then, WWE did build him up but have given him a ceiling, even though the fans want that ceiling to be higher. When Austin exploded, WWE rolled with it and it created the biggest star since Hulk Hogan, and Stone Cold likely surpassed Hulk. Punk was not going to be Hogan or Austin, but he had the chance to be right next to Cena and maybe surpass him as the company's biggest star.

Instead of going with what the majority of their core audience wanted (core), WWE instead stifled Punk's momentum by injecting Triple H into the storyline--Triple H surely didn't need the rub so why do this?--and keeping Punk from competing in main events at major events. Rock/Cena was justified at Mania, but the other events?

And now, Punk has become a cowardly heel/tweener after being a fighting champion for the better part of a year. Seemingly, this is to get people to get behind Cena for their upcoming championship match. To me, this latest turn is intended to purposely keep Punk below Cena in the pecking order; and it's a slap to wrestling fans who want to see something more interesting again as Punk's character has moved backwards when he's capable of more.

I like Cena, but he isn't good for the long-term success of the wrestling business; and he's certainly not good for it by himself. It seems Vince is milking him for all its worth, not thinking about what today's WWE is doing to the future of wrestling once Cena's running out of fumes and the fans of yesteryear are no longer around to support today's mediocre product.

Again, a lot of pure speculation on my part and I didn't intend it to become a bit of a CM Punk rant (though that is the current event that has me thinking these thoughts). I wonder, though, if Vince wants to be idolized that much that he wants WWE to not get back to the heights it was once at. Maybe it'll never be back there anyway, but the Genetic Jackhammer isn't doing anything nowadays to help it along.

 

[Airklot]

I haven't been able to keep up on the forums as much as I have in the past, so forgive me if this topic has been covered and/or is currently under another thread. Please feel free to move it if needed.

Years ago, the WWE featured a storyline in which Vince McMahon brought the nWo in to "inject a lethal dose of poison" into the WWE and kill it. Obviously he didn't want to kill it in real life...back then, anyway. Now, sometimes I get the feeling he's actually trying to do this.

Hear me out. I don't think I'm completely on board with the thought I'm about to share, but it's there. I believe that Vince realizes the best days of both his life and of the wrestling business are over. Hence, in order to further cement his status as the greatest promoter in wrestling history (which already is cemented as of now), Vince has allowed WWE to spiral down over the past decade--once he finally hands it over, it's going to be weaker than it is now. In the years after that, who knows if it will remain the global jauggernaut it has become. The aftermath of all of this? Vince McMahon will be the one who took WWE to the heights it was at, and without him it sunk back down.

There's at least a few reasons why I think this is a possiblility, though admittedly I believe Vince is only doing this subconsciously and doesn't actively think about ways to hurt his product. Look at the in-ring component of RAW--there is the occasional passable match, but most of them are garbage that last only a few minutes and feature the same routine every week. This does not build wrestling fans who appreciate the art.

How about CM Punk and what I think is the biggest blunder currently occurring in WWE? Punk had the biggest single moment on RAW since perhaps Austin when he launched his pipebomb last year. Since then, WWE did build him up but have given him a ceiling, even though the fans want that ceiling to be higher. When Austin exploded, WWE rolled with it and it created the biggest star since Hulk Hogan, and Stone Cold likely surpassed Hulk. Punk was not going to be Hogan or Austin, but he had the chance to be right next to Cena and maybe surpass him as the company's biggest star.

Instead of going with what the majority of their core audience wanted (core), WWE instead stifled Punk's momentum by injecting Triple H into the storyline--Triple H surely didn't need the rub so why do this?--and keeping Punk from competing in main events at major events. Rock/Cena was justified at Mania, but the other events?

And now, Punk has become a cowardly heel/tweener after being a fighting champion for the better part of a year. Seemingly, this is to get people to get behind Cena for their upcoming championship match. To me, this latest turn is intended to purposely keep Punk below Cena in the pecking order; and it's a slap to wrestling fans who want to see something more interesting again as Punk's character has moved backwards when he's capable of more.

I like Cena, but he isn't good for the long-term success of the wrestling business; and he's certainly not good for it by himself. It seems Vince is milking him for all its worth, not thinking about what today's WWE is doing to the future of wrestling once Cena's running out of fumes and the fans of yesteryear are no longer around to support today's mediocre product.

Again, a lot of pure speculation on my part and I didn't intend it to become a bit of a CM Punk rant (though that is the current event that has me thinking these thoughts). I wonder, though, if Vince wants to be idolized that much that he wants WWE to not get back to the heights it was once at. Maybe it'll never be back there anyway, but the Genetic Jackhammer isn't doing anything nowadays to help it along.

Lets face the facts because of Linda's Senate Campaign it seems like the WWE is afraid of it's own shadow lately. Example if it weren't for Linda's Senate Campaign I seriously doubt Chris Jericho would have been suspended for burning a flag and I am almost certain AW would not have been fired over a rape joke.

If Linda wins the WWE is going to go from PG to rated G! It's only going to get worse. Our only hope for a better product is if she loses.

And seriously people need to lay off Cena. He is the Company's cash cow. Now from what business logic does it make since to put Punk in Cena's spot?

Cena is doing exactly what Vince wants him to do. He is bringing in the money from all the kiddies.

If Vince wanted Cena to appeal to the older crowd then thats what Cena would be doing. If you saw his Thuganomics Gimmick then you know Cena is more then capable to appeal to the older demographic if he needed to.

 

[Devlin]

Lets face the facts because of Linda's Senate Campaign it seems like the WWE is afraid of it's own shadow lately. Example if it weren't for Linda's Senate Campaign I seriously doubt Chris Jericho would have been suspended for burning a flag and I am almost certain AW would not have been fired over a rape joke.

If Linda wins the WWE is going to go from PG to rated G! It's only going to get worse. Our only hope for a better product is if she loses.

And seriously people need to lay off Cena. He is the Company's cash cow. Now from what business logic does it make since to put Punk in Cena's spot?

Cena is doing exactly what Vince wants him to do. He is bringing in the money from all the kiddies.

If Vince wanted Cena to appeal to the older crowd then thats what Cena would be doing. If you saw his Thuganomics Gimmick then you know Cena is more then capable to appeal to the older demographic if he needed to.

He didn't even burn it, he only kicked it.

But as for the WWE, while there is "no connection" between Linda's senate campaign and the WWE, we all know there is. But apparently the PG era is also due to a licensing deal with Mattel. I'm hoping that if Linda loses again, then we will see an upswing with the WWE. Peoples livelihoods & stock holders money are all being messed with because Vince is sacrificing his business for Linda's potential political career.

 

[Airklot]

You are probably right about the PG Thing, but the thing is Its not really the fact that the wwe is just PG that is the problem. Its just with Linda's senate campaign the wwe is afraid to do anything remotely creative in the fear that it will ruin her chances of getting elected.

You know what they say empires are destroyed with in. Who would of thought that it took a simple senate campaign to destroy everything vince has worked his life for.

While this may never totally kill the wwe it will hurt it enough for tna to at least catch up in the ratings. which is pretty bad.

My bad on the flag thing.

 

[Wald]

If Vince had agreed to sell it to another promoter/media company a few years back on the provision that he would hand it over when he hits 65 I might have believed this. He's handing it off to a family member when he dies though so I can't even begin to believe a second of this.

That plus I think people seem to have this notion (possibly this is just those that came in to the fold during the Attitude Era) that Vince and the WWF/E have always been edgy and that they would be now if it weren't for Linda and the stockholders, which is just nonsense to those of us watching longer.

The WWF was always designed to be, or become, a kid friendly product from the time Vince took over the reigns. Look at the direction he brought the company in in the early to mid 90s for proof of what Vince wants his company to be like. Kids spend their parents money, Vince wants that money, hence that's the way he wants his company to be. It took Eric Bischoff to drag him kicking and screaming away from the overly kid friendly product. As soon as he could he got it right back to PG and aimed at kids, albeit this time he realises that he needs to hook in older fans a bit more, which is where we are today.

PG WWE is, was and forever will be what Vince wants for his company. People either need to get used to that or start watching TNA more.

 

[asiatic7]

If Linda wins the WWE is going to go from PG to rated G! It's only going to get worse. Our only hope for a better product is if she loses.

I couldn't agree more. If Linda wins, the ship is going to run a little tighter. It's bad now when guys like Jericho, AW, and Tensai get punished for things that was no problem 10 to 15 years ago. I doubt anyone got offended by any of their statements or actions. Wrestling at it's core is controlled competitive violence. How can you have anti bully campaigns and Josh Matthews is currently Kane's whipping boy? A 300 plus lb. athelete beating on a commentator half his size cause he angry? No matter what WWE tries to do to make themselves appealing to shareholders, politicians, GLAAD (yes, what do you think Be A Star is really about?) or any body else, they still have the stench of yesteryear on them. Every time someone tries to bury Linda in the race, they'll bring up WWE's dark past. It doesn't matter to them if she is currently connected to the product or not. She s from that world and will always be connected to it. Embrace the stench!

But like the intelligent threader who's quote I borrowed said, The WWE product will suffer more if Linda wins. How can you clean up the sport of professional wrestling, who's foundation is built on dramatic stories and over the top performers?

I don't think Vince is trying deliberately to kill his "baby", I think he's trying to fit in and get accepted by pop culture too hard. Everything else that he tried failed(XFL, WWE Films etc.) so he's trying to "clean" up wrestling to make it uber mainstream (MTV,NBC,ESPN). The sad thing is, he did it in the late 90's with that "stench" I referred to earlier.

The world itself is changing, America is getting soft, you can't say shit anymore without hurting somebody's feelings or offending their lifestyle and WWE is following suit.

 

[Hollywood Naitch]

This thread is ridiculous.

It is absolutely stupid to think Vince McMahon is trying to "kill" his WWE creation either deliberately or subconciously. Just because ratings and profits are not as high as they were in the late 90s, people think the wrestling business is dying- get a grip.

Look at WWE in 2000 compared to what it was in 1995 when business was down- it just took a few short years and couple of great talents to come along and it completely changed the face of wrestling business as we know it today. Wrestling always has had its boom periods and its periods of slump and I do think we will see it begin to rise again within the next few years.

Vince is going to hand over the running of the company to Steph and Triple H eventually and they will see to it that the WWE will be with us for a long time yet, and Triple H is such a huge fan of the business I could see the company flourishing under his leadership.

It's just a shame that Linda's Senate campaign is stifling the product right now and I really think WWE should get out of the movie business and focus on what they know...WRESTLING.

 

[brighamosity]

I agree with everything people are saying about WWE. I just don't feel like the PG part is the worst thing about it. I recently stopped watching WWE. Cold Turkey. And the thing that lead me to it was the 3 hour Raws. All the replays and Touts were just too annoying for me. I found myself fast-forwarding through so much of Raw that I was finishing the whole 3 hour show in about 30 minutes. But why should I even do that? I like Dexter, and I would never dream of fast-forwarding through any of it; I like everything about it. There are plenty of good TV shows on television, so why waste my time watching WWE when I hardly like it anyway? So I just deleted it from my DVR and no longer watch it. And you know what? I don't miss it. Sure, I still come to this website out of habit. I still enjoy reading wrestling rumors and such. And I can even find out what happened on Raw by reading an article for 2 minutes. My point is that if you don't enjoy watching WWE anymore, you really can just stop watching. It's that simple.

 

[MinistryofDeath89]

Can someone tell why are the WWE having loads of rematches all the time at Wrestlemania. HHH vs Taker 2 and 3. HBK and Taker WM 26 and now the creative team is thinking of having The Rock vs Cena and HHH vs Lesnar for WM29. Come on seriously this is getting really annoying now the HHH vs lesnar wasnt a great match at Summerslam its not going to get any better at WM. In my opinion the creative team are really lazy when it cones to booking matches for WM there's far too many rematches happening now they need to stop it. If they keep up this rematch crap they wont get good buys for the box office.

 

[Richard Blonoff]

Can someone tell why are the WWE having loads of rematches all the time at Wrestlemania. HHH vs Taker 2 and 3. HBK and Taker WM 26 and now the creative team is thinking of having The Rock vs Cena and HHH vs Lesnar for WM29. Come on seriously this is getting really annoying now the HHH vs lesnar wasnt a great match at Summerslam its not going to get any better at WM. In my opinion the creative team are really lazy when it cones to booking matches for WM there's far too many rematches happening now they need to stop it. If they keep up this rematch crap they wont get good buys for the box office.

While I'm not a big fan of the rematches, I understand why they have them fairly often. The WWE lacks big time stars right now. They bring back those big names to get people excited and to buy the product. Yeah a hardcore fan may be put off by the constant rematches, but the casual fan will see a name like Lesnar or Taker and it will get their attention, increasing the chances they buy the PPV.

I personally think the Benoit incident really slowed the business down to where there were no stars to carry the torch after that incident. Stars have to pass the torch to the next generation and I personally believe that mess interrupted that flow and they are just now starting to recover in terms of having big name guys again.

 

[cult_of_icecream_bar]

In every major storyline in the WWE they're using the lawsuit thing.First heyman threatening HHH with lawsuits and last night otunga doing the same thing with booker t.It seems cool for a time or two,but if it happens too much it gets boring.Why are the bringing lawsuits to everything?Is it because TNA filed one against them?discuss.