WWE General Complaints Thread

[TimeIsWasting]

I totally agree I am kinda over all of this social media crap. Don't get me wrong I have a facebook page and all, but I don't use any of that for wrestling. I don't like having the announcers doing this in the middle of a match either, but let's be honest vince does not care what we think...........if he did we would have a better overall product and better announcers. Michael Cole is the worst.

 

[Pedigree1]

Social Media is a Beast and i agree that i really dont care how many fans Cena has obviously alot but i dont wanna know the exact number there is a match going on story to be told!! That kind of Information i feel should be told in between matches, not during. Social media is a very powerful tool and is here to stay, and sometimes the announcers say interesting facts but that kind of information like how many fans cena hasnot really necessary IMO.

 

[DodgingFate]

As I said before, it is a huge way for the WWE to create Revenue. they will keep plugging it and plugging it until the next big thing comes out then it will switch. might as well get use to it

 

[New Hot Fed]

What I noticed is that entertainment companies always mention the social media when their content is at their worst. In their arrogance instead of looking at what they are doing wrong and then delivering a better product, it's like they are saying business is bad not because we do a poor job so we're gonna try to sell our stuff in different venues. They look at the net like the holly grail.

 

[DirtyD79]

To me it just smacks of WWE screaming "We're still relevent dammit! See See we're hip" It doesn't make WWE look hip or trendy. It just makes them look desparate and like they're trying too hard.

 

[Police Penis Sucking Goat Fucker]

I think it's sad how you have all these people on there twitter pages while there watching wrestling. What happened to th good old days when you didn't need social media websites like Facebook and Twitter to watch wrestling even more proof how WWE is loosing touch with it's product

 

[Richard Blonoff]

Well Royal Rumble was on the top ten trending on Yahoo all 3 times I checked my email today.

Overall it is pretty annoying. The Twitter obsession is what gets to me the most. I don't like hearing it during the match. It honestly gets old even seeing the ads when they come back from commercial about how many people watched Raw the past week

Also I kinda dislike how they mention how many Facebook fans people have.

"John Cena now has more fans than The Dalai Lama"
"Big Show now has more FB fans than Hitler"
"CM Punk now has more fans than the President"
"The Rock just surpassed Jesus Christ himself in number of FB fans"

 

[Reflection]

Twitter is the most stupid thing you're likely to find on the internet.. a place where people type something ridiculously ******ed, followed by some equally ******ed phrases formed by simply eliminating the spaces between the words, and not to mention some random stuff starting with a #, all within a 140-digit limit. Is that what the kids do now-a-days?

 

[mb47]

As the majority of people with internet access do, I too am on social network sites.

However I de-activated my Facebook as the concept, the constant changes and the streams of b.s. people came out with just became too much.

I have a Twitter and while people think it's annoying the truth is Twitter is very good and can be very useful. I use Twitter to get news on things I'm interested in, such as new music, music tour dates, announcements etc... NOT GOSSIP! The hash tag for trending is also very useful, it allows people but more importantly companies to see if what they're doing and/or saying is being talked about and how much.

I can understand the annoyances people get from commentators plugging something is happening on Twitter during a match and as you all seem to be, I too am against it.

However understand the importance of it all. We as a planet are very hung-up on new technology and social media, entertainment or gossip if you will. It is the way the World is, and it is all of us who are to blame. Not the forum, I mean people in general! But we have made the World this way, we had to see a film and post online how Orlando Bloom sucked or he was great but the film sucked etc... Companies have just been advantageous on the fact that we like to be entertained and celebrities provide us with a majority of this entertainment. Now we have 100s of different magazines which "expose" and slate celebrities and such and we lap it up and buy them all. Twitter, FB and such are no different, just online gossip stations so to speak.

WWE are doing NOTHING different to any big company right now. They're creating a larger online presence and the reason for the constant plugging is that they're hoping people without a Twitter will make one to help get Cena or Punk trending to create relevance and discussion about their company and product WITHOUT having to spend money. Leave US to make THEM popular and MORE money. That's why it's here and that's why it'll stay.

 

[Jackal960]

If there is one thing that describes the IWC, they like to complain, mainly about WWE (well maybe it is because WWE has the biggest fan base). They complain simply about anything... Not that it changes anything, but people love to make their voice heard, and want to see if there are others who share the same feelings. When you think of WWE, think of its brightest spots, whatever it might be, you will find people complain about that too, no joke!

However, when you think about it, I don't think complaining is something abnormal like most of us say. If every person is complaining about only 1 thing and 1 thing only, there will be a thousand complaints, as if everybody complains about anything with WWE. So yes, we complain all the time, but that doesn’t mean we complain about everything WWE does. That’s why saying everybody complains about everything is an overreaction. What is abnormal for me is, people easily lose their objectiveness just to defend what WWE does. They are trying their best to prove that WWE’s shit doesn’t smell. When something is bad and it is common belief, like the Divas division, the importance of the division gets devaluated because Vince decides to do so. If Vince decides that, it’s his problem, why does everyone else need to think the same? What is wrong with having a diva’s division like early 2000’s. Honestly, what harm can improving a division possibly do to the company? I can say Vince doesn’t give a damn about the division right now, but why do we need to follow him? Why should it be the right thing to do? Why do we need to add up reasons to justify Vince not caring about a division? If you give something air time, might as well do it properly.

Another thing is inconsistencies in storylines. The storyline starts, you watch every week for something to come up, and it eventually ends up being nothing, a story with no reason. And when someone brings this up, we see automatic responses that “it kept us interested and served its purpose.” Guys, you are not a WWE corporate member, you are the customer. When I had to turn in Raw every week, thinking something interesting will come up although nothing happens, that’s WWE management to be happy about. But why do WE defend it? If I am the customer I won’t be happy about it when the creative insults my brain and tries to make me forget things. If there is an anonymous Raw GM, if WWE is trying to shove it down my throat every single week and force me to guess who he is, and eventually gets rid of it without an explanation, WWE Corporate might be happy because he kept me interested for weeks. But why would I be happy as the viewer? Shouldn’t I deserve a better explanation? Why do Jericho not talk anything at all for weeks and then decides to say something, eventually ending up being nothing. If Jericho talked for weeks and ended last week’s Raw by saying it will be the end of the world, I would still be interested in what’s going to happen at the Rumble. No need to insult me by picking up the mic and putting it back down in your promos. If someone thinks that it’s a way of getting heat, I would say Fingerpoke of Doom is the best way to get heat, what a way to just annoy people who watch you!

My point is, not all complains have grounds but there are simply too many that has. And we are not WWE corporate who worries about the profit of WWE, so why are we always ready to defend WWE for everything that they do?

 

[Bookman]

I think that the WWE product has been stronger in the last 6 months than it has been in a long time. I try to stay optimistic about all the storylines because I want wrestling to succeed and become as big as it once was. People have forgotten how much fun WWE can be.

 

[Shotaro]

As the majority of people with internet access do, I too am on social network sites.

However I de-activated my Facebook as the concept, the constant changes and the streams of b.s. people came out with just became too much.

I have a Twitter and while people think it's annoying the truth is Twitter is very good and can be very useful. I use Twitter to get news on things I'm interested in, such as new music, music tour dates, announcements etc... NOT GOSSIP! The hash tag for trending is also very useful, it allows people but more importantly companies to see if what they're doing and/or saying is being talked about and how much.

I can understand the annoyances people get from commentators plugging something is happening on Twitter during a match and as you all seem to be, I too am against it.

However understand the importance of it all. We as a planet are very hung-up on new technology and social media, entertainment or gossip if you will. It is the way the World is, and it is all of us who are to blame. Not the forum, I mean people in general! But we have made the World this way, we had to see a film and post online how Orlando Bloom sucked or he was great but the film sucked etc... Companies have just been advantageous on the fact that we like to be entertained and celebrities provide us with a majority of this entertainment. Now we have 100s of different magazines which "expose" and slate celebrities and such and we lap it up and buy them all. Twitter, FB and such are no different, just online gossip stations so to speak.

WWE are doing NOTHING different to any big company right now. They're creating a larger online presence and the reason for the constant plugging is that they're hoping people without a Twitter will make one to help get Cena or Punk trending to create relevance and discussion about their company and product WITHOUT having to spend money. Leave US to make THEM popular and MORE money. That's why it's here and that's why it'll stay.

+1, sad as it is there are a lot of people who look at what's popular on twitter as a gauge of what's popular in general. In fact more concerning is the fact that without the constant never-ending plugging of Twitter would anything WWE related trend at all? Advertisers look at twitter metrics and google analytics to see which brands are worth investing time and effort into WWE is simply rolling with the times

 

[Monkey_Mania]

The thing is, it's part of the culture, and to stay relevant and hip you have to stay a part of your culture. Even the President Of The United States is on Twitter. Would you have thought that about Bill Clinton 13 years ago? Hell no, and neither would the WWE at the time.

It's the times man, they are-a' changin'.

 

[Shotaro]

Look at the state of the product since say, Survivor Series or so and compare it to how it was a year ago. Match Quality is no longer an oxymoron and I believe a large reason for this is that BOTH major champions are guys who came up from the minor leagues rather than bypassing the training part and going to WWE as green as grass.

Yes the Divas division is still in turmoil, but a big part in that is the time they are given. On the latest episode of Raw no segments felt overlong or unnecessarily drawn out, even though Funkasaurus's entrance could be shorter it wouldn't give the Dvcas more time. Aside from Karma, Beth, Natalya and AJ most of the other Divas are not exactly great workers. I can see some of them COULD be good workers, Eve, Naomi, Maxine but they aren't ready yet, the WWE let two of its best workers go in the last couple of years (Gail and Mickie)

The divisions with obvious problems are taking a back seat because everything else has some pretty high quality stuff going on.

 

[scottyshowman82]

I've been an optimistic WWE fan for a long time always giving them the benefit of the doubt on a lot of occasions. I won't complain just to complain. If I'm gonna complain I got a good reason. I feel I got a good reason to complain right now.

The WWE doesn't remind of a company that wants to entertain people and wants to get ahead anymore and break ground. It reminds of Vince's vanity project where he has all these toys and just does things to amuse himself rather than do what the crowd wants.

WWE can be annoying. You have JR at you disposal but you consistently make him look like an idiot on TV and you have Micheal Cole who is very annoying on two shows I might add. It makes no sense at all why he would still hate Daniel Bryan even though Bryan has turned heel. It's actually very confusing to someone just coming into the show.

I feel that WWE makes us care about someone and just when we're starting to get behind them they make them look like idiots which makes you think... wow what was the point. I can't believe how unexciting the Royal Rumble match came off yesterday. They were some good spots but people are saying the roster looked thin, the roster is in bad shape. Hello it is virtually the same roster you had last year, and that was a 40 man Rumble and a very entertaining one at that. This Rumble was just booked a lot worse in my opinion than last year's.

I was so demoralized by this year's Royal Rumble match, I'm actually finding myself getting angry watching WWE. I shouldn't be angry, I should be laughing and having a good time. Damnit, just keep it simple, give the fans what they want. Vince is not even trying anymore. And forget about WCW and competition. WWF was even better in 1993
when they didn't have any real threat.

Sometimes I feel that WWE doesn't care anymore about putting on good TV. It's almost like they lost their soul.

 

[jared0508]

OMG please stop with the Divas. The divas have been and always will be the eyecandy. The era (and I mean ERA) of women being taken seriously in the WWE as wrestlers has been over for decades now. Particullary since the performers are considered sports "entertainers" and not wrestlers. Ever since the introduction of Sunny the Divas were born and the women wrestlers became extinct in the WWE. Sure there have been flashes of greatness from time to time but that was just to disguse the truth. Blond big breasted women are far better to look at then athletic small breasted women in the eyes of the MAJORITY of the men that the WWE panders too. Anything said to the contrary is just denial, plain and simple. This is still a culture that men dominate and will stay that way for the forseeable future. Just concentrate on building the tag division and leave the divas the way they are. Gorgeous and big breasted wearing scantily clad outfits. Lets not forget the Nitro Girls.

 

[Dowdsy McDowds]

http://forums.wrestlezone.com/showthread.php?t=166027

A dangerous word to use when discussing the IWC is "everybody." Yes, sometimes it does seem that way, but it just isn't the case at all. There are going to be times when a superstar is generating a lot of buzz ala Zack Ryder and Brodus Clay and as a lot of people want to see them succeed and are excited about what they may be able to do, it will seem like "everybody" is rooting for them. When the backlash (of sorts) arrives then it may seem like "everybody" is turning against them when in fact it's more likely that the people who weren't particularly fond of the superstar now feel safer to voice their disapproval.

It's not just the WWE, it's pretty much everything now. People have more outlets to voice their opinion now, but the opinions are now more visible and thus more open to attack/defense; posting facebook updates, twitter trends, forum threads and YouTube videos, comments and video replies.

As to why people defend the WWE, well, if people like something then they are entitled to try and stick up for it. I agree that the mindless "la-la-la-la-la-I-can't-hear-you-shut-up-shut-up-shut-up" responses are irritating, but what's the point in going back and forth with people who obviously wont change their mind? If they see things a certain way and wont budge from it, it's a waste of time and energy on your behalf to change their mind. Besides, vastly differing opinions can lead to some great debates/arguments so just enjoy the ride and make up your own mind on a matter.

 

[mb47]

WWE are doing NOTHING wrong. That is a fact.

No WWE is not the same as it was but how could you expect it to be? We've had new match types being created, we've had a lot of huge spots (e.g. Ladder matches) and we have seen many different stories and angles develop in feuds.

But the question is what more? What new match types, what new spots and what new stories can they create?

I believe the PG switch was for many reasons, one being their target audience and two the ideas and stories they have. You see they pushed the boat out during the Attitude Era and we saw so many different things happen, many unrealistic things as well I might add, and the switch to PG brings back an element of realism back to WWE programming, as well as protecting the people that go to the ring each week and get bruised up.

Look at the IWC community, most will tell you they have been watching wrestling for more than 10 years, some even 20 years. That takes us back to the early 90's when things were fresh and new and ideas hadn't been used before. But remember when you first started watching, did you mark out? The answer will always be yes. We all at some point got caught up in the fiction and just enjoyed watching the top face get revenge on the top heel. We cheered and booed accordingly.

As we get older and watch more and learn more we stop getting caught up in WHAT is happening and look more at HOW and WHY. It's the change of us as people that cause the complaining and the moaning from people. What we fail to see is from a fan perspective any more. WWE is tailored towards younger fans, and look what's happening, it still works. They still make a lot of money, they are still successful.

Okay now I know people are likely to say about ratings and such but firstly where is WWE's competition? Nowhere. Where are a lot of viewers? Online.

Before they had serious rivals, there wasn't the internet to occupy us, TV WAS the main form of entertainment and WWE had higher ratings as such. But back to my point...

Have the WWE changed what they do? No.
Have we as people changed what we do? Yes.

Not once has the WWE ever "given in" to what fans want. Perhaps at the end of a feud and perhaps we had more face's as champions but they have never just given what people want. Their job is to entertain and they do it VERY well.

I'm not one to constantly defend WWE but I don't think they're the problem. I think we as people are and we can't accept the fact that times have changed and the WWE has changed from what made us fall in love with professional wrestling and WWE shows. Perhaps we as people can't let go of that passion we had when we marked out to just about everything, where we got caught up in the storylines and feuds?

Just an alternative angle for you all to consider.

 

[mr.davidson]

The Problem with WWE is simply This

VKM has a Monopoly on Wrestling or he has for many yaers since WCW went under.. So the wrestlers cannot break out on theer own and show us what they got... They have to do exactly as they r told... Because if they dont they got no where else to go...

When a product doesnt have competition it becomes stale because they have no reason to work hard at being the best.....

This is one of the reasons i really hope TNA can become as good as WWE.. That way we will see some great things happen once again...

Remember in the 80's VKM was against AWA...NWA.. and several others and we had a good show.. then in the 90's we had WCW... I think if we get that again .. then and only then will we once again see a Big Star raise up like Steve Austin or Hulk Hogan.... and the wrestling product will once again be somthing u cant miss every week

 

[Mustang Sally]

And we are not WWE corporate who worries about the profit of WWE, so why are we always ready to defend WWE for everything that they do?

You might as well ask: Why have a wrestling discussion forum at all?

This is where we come to air our views, discuss recent events, look for how others feel about the same things we all just saw. I wouldn't describe every negative or neutral comment as a "complaint"......often, we're just talking about it. It's a good place to meet with people who have interests similar to ours, especially since we're not "supposed to" talk about wrestling with many folks we meet in our regular lives (Dude, it's all fake!!). Here, we can hash it all out.

Sure, a lot of people on this forum are complainers. It's ironic that many of them are continually crying for something new, yet when WWE gives it to them, they detest every original idea that comes down the pike.

And yes, there are plenty of people here whose mission in life seems to be making as big a pain in the ass of themselves as possible. So be it, they're part of things, too.

But as said previously, every non-positive comment isn't necessarily a complaint. Often, folks have suggestions as to things they'd like to see done differently, and I'm often surprised and pleased to read some of the original ideas that come from these pages. It's all good.

 

[Paralyzer Z]

OMG please stop with the Divas.

Pretty self explanitory.

The divas have been and always will be the eyecandy

.

To some extent yes, but not 100% eye candy, some women can put on very good matches.

The era (and I mean ERA) of women being taken seriously in the WWE as wrestlers has been over for decades now.

You aren't wrong but there have been short feuds in the past decade that can be considered "serious" for the divas such as Trish vs Lita.

Blond big breasted women are far better to look at then athletic small breasted women in the eyes of the MAJORITY of the men that the WWE panders too.

Who says big breasted women can't be athletic? Beth Phoenix and Natalya are definitely athletic. Trish can be counted but it also depends on what your meaning of "big breasted" is. I see the simple fact that most people take piss breaks during Diva matches shows that even the men aren't that interested in what they are doing. Sure they may be attracted to them, but they don't stick around to watch them thoroughly.

Anything said to the contrary is just denial, plain and simple.

Pretty bold statement right there. A bit to bold...

This is still a culture that men dominate and will stay that way for the forseeable future.

Ever heard of BDSM relationships? Maybe feminist should come to mind? Culture is completely dominated by men, but that's a debate for another thread.

Just concentrate on building the tag division

Yep.

and leave the divas the way they are. Gorgeous and big breasted wearing scantily clad outfits. Lets not forget the Nitro Girls.

Divas matches are used as audience breaks. A time for enjoying yourself at the bathroom line, or at a snack bar. That's the way most people see it regardless of whether they are good wrestlers or pretty faces. The Divas division can be full of great talent and it would still be the filler break time. However the Divas for the most part are eye candy and are what I stated above, filler and audience brief intermission.

 

[satchmokilnt]

an easy thread title to wind up many, im sure. i await the vitriol fueled responses to my opinion.

but the question i ask is simply this. is wwe repeating the same mistakes that many pin on the demise of wcw? its something ive been thinking for quite a while now.

In my eyes the ball has been dropped on far too many occasions over the last few years. and well, the shark has truly been jumped over with a regularity that would make vince russo blush.(haha. ok, probably not)

i'll make just a few examples from recent times, but im sure those (if any) who agree can point to more.

Firstly, while its fresh in my mind is the abomination of Jericho's comeback. Yes, by all means the silent treatment was great. but the videos, the reveal, the silence, then the highlight reel......... don't tell me the sensible and best climax was to just have jericho get to the final 2 of the rumble! seriously, if that was tna people would be howling with derision on these forums. you have the main talking point going into the ppv of "the end of the world" just what was chris jericho going to do? we wait with baited breath, and we wait.(cue ppv ending) "THAT'S IT?!" talk about a cocktease. im not adverse to a lapdance, but i do prefer getting down to the nitty gritty.

my tuppence worth on the whole situ is that wwe have fallen into the same game that destroyed wcw. try and tag the audience along at every available opportunity. Because they'll all turn in to see what happens on nitro.....sorry, raw. But by doing so you bring the jericho juggernaut to a stuttering halt. it was just complete idiocy and seems to just be done for politicking reasons/shock value. and also, the last time i looked ratings still aren't improving much. why did we have to wait till raw to see jericho kick off the punk angle? and how many people didn't bother watching after feeling let down the night before? (i know of 3 people, and i only know of 5 who watch wrestling.)

My second point is that wwe ppvs have become a continuation/build-up to the next nights' raw. which was always another nail used to hammer into the wcw coffin with their ppvs/nitro. id truly feel pissed if i bothered to pay for the rumble, as there was more value to be had on free tv the next night. what did we really get at the rumble? a poor WHC cage match, a divas bore, a squash match, a double c/o, a decent but not spectacular WWE champ match and then a gimmick rumble that felt like a WM dark match.(i was expecting everyone to have a break, for a dance off half way through.) this is among your top 3 ppvs of the year, and you deliver a damp squib!? just not good enough.

my final point is that like with wcw, the titles have lost so much credibility they're almost obsolete. how long has the much promised reboot of the tag division been happening? we don't seem to have gotten anywhere. wasn't cody rhodes bringing back the old ic title, supposed to be a hark back to the age when it was truly something to covet? (i see its not being defended once again at EC. what's the betting it wont be at WM either?) the u.s title.......same. And the diva's belt is a joke. weren't we supposed to have beth built to be the unstoppable force, culminating in a much anticipated face off with kharma at mania? and if the whc title loses anymore credibility, it may aswell be renamed the european title. talk about a second tier belt on the second tier show. it's treated like dirt as are those who hold it.

what's so frustrating is, that there are so many simple resolutions to make just one of those titles worth something. booking 101 seems to have gone out of the window, and everything seems to be done on the fly. i get the feel that no one really knows what is going to be in store for them, when they turn up for a show these days. and that really is what was the biggest reason for the downfall of wcw.

I have many more examples, and many theories to pin on. which i may also delve into.(the backstage changes in wwe for one)

But, its time for me to shut up and so. agree/disagree? maybe you have more examples of wwe's slump into wcw-esque mediocrity. either way, i look forward to your responses.

 

[therockiswwf]

First off, Henry got injured so they did what they could in the cage match.

But I think you're going way overboard with this.

The ratings are in fact, improving as they just got a 3.5 for the first time in a while. The Jericho angle isn't done yet for all we know. What politicking are you talking about?

The WWE still builds toward every PPV and usually it takes 2-3 PPVs for a story to finish. They have the important stuff on PPV, the fallout on TV and then finish it on PPV. Just because YOU didn't like the Rumble, doesn't mean everyone didn't like it. But in wCw, 99% of people hated the crap they were doing.

Onto the titles.
wCw - David Arquette world champion. Title changed at least once every month.
WWE - CM Punk is the WWE champ and has been so for three months. Daniel Bryan has been the World champ for 2 months and has played his role perfectly. He finds ways to keep the title on him by any means necessary. Seems like he cares about holding the title. Rhodes just finished a feud with Booker T that was (kind of) about the IC title. After EC, he will probably defend it more. The US title was doing really well with Ryder/Ziggler/Swagger but right now it's not a focal point. I'm guessing it will be after Ryder finishes with Kane. The Tag Team division will take a while too fix. The WWE just lost Air Boom, so they really only have 2 tag teams. It is very weak now, but it will take a few years to fix this not a few weeks. Yeah the Diva division sucks but at least it's better than the 1999 Divas division.

But to answer your question, no the WWE is not anywhere near wCw. This past Raw was great and the WWE has been on a big roll as of late where as wCw rarely ever had a great show.

 

[JohnJohnson]

I agree. The only problem is that there is nobody to threaten the WWE. They are doing the same things. WCW was criticized for not giving younger guys a push and having the show about the vets. They started pushing younger guys but then kinda messed up the ME scene. It's like that now in which they focus too much on the younger talent. Now if a vet were to come in and face a younger talent it's almost illegal for them to win. Yea it's nice to give the rub, but now we have too predictable an outcome. The roster is being flooded with generic talent less superstars just as WCW in the dying days. Hell WWE even shows David Arquette on their show now. Smackdown is by far the B show, as was thunder. Back in AE you would get top guys and great matches even on Heat. Now Smackdown is almost pointless to watch. I hope they will get their shit together before they end up like WCW.

 

[Headman]

Turning into WCW to me would be more like bringing in 50 year old talk show hosts to wrestle in ppv main events. Or letting a different person book each segment on the show how ever he wants without running it past anybody. What the WWE does at times can be considered bone headed or wreckless, but WCW was a ship without a captain. The WWE has a captain and while that captain may at times threaten to take the ship and crew down to Davey Jones' locker, he is very much in control. And while it's not the OP's arguement, there's another reply talking about the WWE refusing to push younger talent. This confuses me because Cena, Sheamus, CM Punk, Daniel Bryan, Randy Orton and others are all still pretty young and in their prime. WCW's main eventers were in their 40's and 50's. There is no comparison here.