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Arkham Noir
With black birds following me
There is much less of a shit storm going on in the Non-Spam section than I thought. Seems relatively quiet.
Hyorinmaru
Sit Upon The Frozen Heavens
It's Friday night
Arkham Noir
With black birds following me
Fair point.
I'd like to think as positively as others. Maybe this is just the start. However, it'll likely be the start to a series of teases of Christian winning the title back before increasingly surprising RKOs knowing my luck.
"Christian's going for the Killswitch! Has he-- RKO!"
"Christian's going for the pin. Orton reverses the pin attempt into an RKO!"
"Christian got the 1-2-3! He's the world-- Orton RKO'd the referee's decision!"
"Christian, of course, has held the title for five years now, the longest-- Orton just RKO'd the time-space continuum! Christian was never world champion!"
"Christian's going for the Killswitch! Has he-- RKO!"
"Christian's going for the pin. Orton reverses the pin attempt into an RKO!"
"Christian got the 1-2-3! He's the world-- Orton RKO'd the referee's decision!"
"Christian, of course, has held the title for five years now, the longest-- Orton just RKO'd the time-space continuum! Christian was never world champion!"
Nate DaMac
Fuck erbody but me
I just cannot convince myself that I'm okay with this. I do not want to see Orton with the title. At all.
Hyorinmaru
Sit Upon The Frozen Heavens
yup
Little Jerry Lawler
Sigmund Freud On Ritalin And Roids
Still don't get why most of you would haue been ok with him losing the title at Over The Limit. He wouldn't have proved himself any more.
Nate DaMac
Fuck erbody but me
It wouldn't have been less than a week. We would have gotten to see our guy at the top of the brand for a little while. What's not to get?
Big Nick Dudley
Nick
I get why people are upset. Everyone who hates this also hates Orton. Understandable. I usually feel the same way when Cena wins the belt.
However, I don't think is Christian going away. This looks like a possible heel turn for Christian, and I think that's a great spot for him. That, or Vince really hates him.
However, I don't think is Christian going away. This looks like a possible heel turn for Christian, and I think that's a great spot for him. That, or Vince really hates him.
Nate DaMac
Fuck erbody but me
I really don't want to see Christian as a heel. He's easily the most over face they have besides the obvious ones like Orton Cena, HHH, and Rey. To turn him and lose him in the shuffle with all of the other cookie cutter heels would be a mistake.
Little Jerry Lawler
Sigmund Freud On Ritalin And Roids
Jeff Hardy's first reign lasted a month and I don't think he even had one match in between. He got the title back later that year. Same can happen with Christian. He proved to me tonight way more than he ever could in three weeks.
I don't get why they would want to turn Christian heel. With Edge leaving they have a chance to make him the third biggest face in the company, and turning him heel will force him to compete with the likes of Miz, Sheamus, Del Rio, Punk, Rhodes, and perhaps even R-Truth. I mean, with the exception of Rey, I don't see anyone who is more over than Christian right now. Perhaps they feel Christian could be the main heel of Smackdown? But I feel like that's a role better suited for Randy.
Nate DaMac
Fuck erbody but me
Very similar situation, but at least Hardy lost the title as part of a story rather than just getting jobbed out to a guy he's had little to no involvement with less than a week after he won the title. Hardy wasn't a great champion or nothing, but it was fun, as a big Jeff Hardy mark, to see one of my favorites with the World Title for a little while.
Big Nick Dudley
Nick
1. Smackdown is Orton's show. Whether Christian held the belt for another month, two months, etc., he's just not as over as Orton is. As I said before, I wish Christian had held the title a little longer, for the reason I just brought up. But if what happened on Smackdown didn't turn the crowd against Orton, and Christian didn't get the bigger pop, Orton is clearly the more over of the two.
2. Christian isn't cookie-cutter material. As a heel, he has more personality and intensity than any other heel on Smackdown (Sheamus, Barrett, etc.). I think Christian can be the #1 heel on Smackdown, and if this is leading to a heel turn, I see him taking the title back from Orton at some point over the summer. Or, as I said earlier, he could fade away, and that would only be a result of Vince thinking he has nothing to offer.
Jay Sherman
Jay Sherman Mark.
You think people would learn to stop going for air born moves against Orton by now.
I have no energy to be any more pissed at this lousy movie (IMO). I just hope this leads to the beginning of a new run and he is not lost in the shuffle again.
I have no energy to be any more pissed at this lousy movie (IMO). I just hope this leads to the beginning of a new run and he is not lost in the shuffle again.
But do you think Smackdown could still be Orton's show if Orton was a heel? I mean, I know these aren't the days of Ric Flair and Nick Bockwinkel anymore, but it could arguably work.
And Orton is?
Yeah, I think it's a foregone conclusion that if Christian turns, he's going to be the top heel of the show, or at least I hope. It's a shame, I was hoping that Sheamus would fill that role until Cody was ready to take the reins, but I guess if it means Christian gets more exposure. Let's just hope they don't give him the CM Punk treatment.
Nate DaMac
Fuck erbody but me
... I don't get it. So the title has to be on Orton because he's over more than Christian? I'm pretty sure I saw Cena, who is way more over than anyone, go almost a year without the strap. In that time, we saw guys like Sheamus and Miz become main event players because they were given what Christian wasn't, a chance. The last thing Orton needs right now is the title. He's already crazy popular, all this does is put Christian, who could have been a bigger deal than he is now, on the back burner for no good reason.
I suppose you're right, but really, how badly do they need a top heel? Sheamus isn't over enough to be a heel in the main event picture? I think he is, as is Barrett. They may not be as good as Christian, but they're good enough nonetheless. I'm just saying that Christian is the only face they have right now who can be elevated into stardom. JoMo, DB, etc, they're just not working right now. Christian is and taking him out of the picture is an unnecessary setback.
Big Nick Dudley
Nick
Maybe, but that isn't the case here. We have constantly disagreed when it comes to Randy Orton, and this is no different. He is a face because the fans say he's a face. Tonight is a great example. If Christian were as over, or more so, than Orton, tonight was the night the fans could have made that known. They could have booed the absolute shit out of Orton for beating Christian on his first night as champ. They could have revolted, and clearly made it known that they like Christian more. That didn't happen.
No, but he's the more over babyface.
I have no idea what's going to happen to Christian. I think he's great. I always enjoyed him more than I did Edge (another thing I'm guessing we disagree on). In my opinion, the best thing for Christian, following the title loss, is to turn heel. If this happens, Christian continues to main event. If he stays face, I don't see how he stays in the title picture. I guess they could have Orton drop the belt back to him next Friday (in a crazy turn of events), or at the next PPV. But, I don't see that happening. They seem pretty clear in their direction for Orton, so I'm hoping this leads to a Christian heel turn (for Christians sake, actually).
Nate DaMac
Fuck erbody but me
Just so were clear, I don't want Orton heel either. I find him boring as a face but I wanted to change the channel as a heel. Everything he did was so fucking slow...
Big Nick Dudley
Nick
That's not the way I see it, but it seems to be the way Vince (or whoever made the call) does. As I said earlier, I would have been fine with a Christian title reign. I would have been fine with him carrying the title for a week, a month, or hell, even a year. As a fan, I don't really care about the title. But Vince does, and I guess he wants it on his biggest face.
I don't mean to split hairs here, as we all know I love me some Nate
, but, Orton is at least as over as Cena, if not more so, with live crowds. Cena is the bigger star, the chosen one, no doubt. But, I'm not sure crowds would have been as nice to Cena for ending Christians run as they were to Orton tonight. In fact, I think Cena would have been booed out of most buildings.Difference being -- both men were heels. Even while they held the title, Cena was able to be involved in the title hunt. He wasn't holding the belt, but he was involved in the scene. With both guys being heel, they were able to feud with Cena, even if he wasn't beating them for the belt.
On the other hand, both Orton and Christian are fan favorites. If Christian kept the title, Orton wouldn't be anywhere near it. McMahon seems to be set on making Orton the #1 draw on Smackdown, and this made the most sense to him, I guess.
Unless he turns heel, and has a huge feud with Orton. Not sure what's going to happen, but feuding with Orton, as a heel, would be better than dropping back down to the mid-card, no?
But this is you assuming Vince wants to shoot another babyface into stardom. I think he's happy with Orton, who hasn't had the opportunity to lead a show yet. Remember, Orton is fresh to Smackdown as a babyface. While this may have been Christians chance, it's also Orton's first big opportunity to lead a show. He was brought over to be the #1 guy, not to build other guys up in his place.
Big Nick Dudley
Nick
See, this is a difference in taste. I like the slow, methodical approach. Whether you love or hate Orton, he's a master of psychology out there. Never a wasted move. He takes his opponents apart, piece by piece, and is very intense while doing so. That's the style I've always enjoyed. A guy like Kofi, just for example, who moves 500 m.p.h., but doesn't seem to be focused on any one thing, has never appealed to me.
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