Vince and Creative team humiliate Mickie James on Smackdown (Petition Link Included)

[troll]

I dont have THAT much of a problem with this..how they treated vicky was pretty f*cken mean i'll tell u that much...What REALLY bothers me the most and i know this is weird but i hate how this has to happen to Mickie James of all girls...

SHES the one that gets the most pops...SHES the one that had that UNBELIEVABLE feud with Trish before she left...SHES the one that has the best matches and CLEARLY the best worker from all the girls and SHES the one that is overall the most entertaining when she has the right circumstances in her advantage and most importantly:

SHES the one that vince relied on the MOST when Trish left..and this is what
Mickie gets??? from all her efforts this is what she deserves??
I know that this is just entertainment and he's not doing the Katie Vick thing but boy i wouldnt be surprised if someone that actually matters made some sort of public complaint..cause this "youre too fat" thing is gonna piss off alot of fat chicks to begin with..

 

[lenguy]

Lenguy, this is kinda the point. For all who think is totally about Mickie James, you couldn't be more wrong. This is a history of events, that Vince refuses to change, and will not change until someone shows him how wrong it is.

Want to know how wrong it is? Ok. I dare you to call a woman you care about a pig. Go on, do it. And if she doesn't get upset, I will give you total creedence to your argument. But I sincerely doubt that's going to happen. You wouldn't think of calling any woman you know a fat pig, because you know it's wrong.

So why is it ok now? Because it's on television? Give me a fucking break.

my opinion is wrong eh? why does vince need to change?cuz you dont agree with his methods in running his own business they way he sees fit?give me a break. and honestly yes i have call somebody a pig and yes she was upset..you wanna know what she did? she had a number of even worse things to call me. now who exactly crossed the line first? i called her one little name and i get a series of even worse verbal names(and b4 you answer..dont,you dont know the full story and im not going to explain it)Thats real life, which has higher consequences and require you to watch your mouth at times.Scripted television is different

and if you really thing that wwe calling somebody a pig is so bad?how about the shows that take it much further than simple name calling. have you watched how despicable other shows are? just how far their pushing it..and yet a women calling another women piggy is that fucking bad? maybe if it was a man calling her that..women call women names all the time..in the wrestling world and this was the thing that finally made you start a petition? and yes because it is television. thats the whole point. to keep the viewers drawn in. to set that emotion in that says aww they made mickie cry and feel bad. how could they say such horrible things! a petition is completely unnecessary. this is how vince runs his business and its obviously how he likes it

I understand where your coming from. but im sure its just to further the program with McCool and mickie and really mickie isent even that fat and im sure she knows it. If i were mickies size and somebody called me a pig..i wouldnt care because i know they'd be wrong like what if next week and smackdown mickie fires bk on McCool and calls her a god damn tree branch. you gonna start another petition? Women are masters at the verbal argument, its just how they get it done. This is why i find it not to be a big deal. Now just watch the ass kicking McCool gets sunday all because of that nasty comment she made. I really just dont find it as big a deal since it happens all the time. If it were one of those rare occasions where it never happend as often. maybe id care a bit more. shit happens you deal with it how ever you want, i'll deal with it by turning the other cheek and not signing your petition.

 

[lonewolfhc]

this is a stuipd thre to begin with for one wwe isnt the onyl place that doenst. Look at hollywood. wehn ever you see a magizine what do you see you dont see any fat acctress being shown All the best femail actress are skinny marlin monroe, halie berry,anglina jole no mater were you go it not wwe that only doing this. disney doest to. Wathc any there show what are fat manily doing comedy what are the skinny chicks doing getting parts were she gets the guy. So before you rip in to vine look at the whole world. i for one will not sigh this i agree some of the femae wrestle that are bigger kick alot more ass then the skinny one. if we do a petson let not stop at wwe let attac vitoria scret let att all the comericl that never how a fat chick do anythig ther always skinny.

 

[blowjoe5]

Right, seriously, shut the hell up you self-righteous arse.

Firstly, Vince and the WWE as a whole may have/has something of a trend of sometimes using female wrestlers or divas for T&A purposes, rather than their wrestling talent, but look at the facts, sex sells. Rappers and rock stars, magazines, newspapers, sporting events etc etc use women as the eye candy a lot of the time. If these women hated it so much, they didn't have to work there. A lot of the WWE women were dancers or models, and so performing in a bikini really wasn't that much of a problem.

As for the actual women wrestlers, while the divison nowadays may be lacking, you have a very short memory if you don't know the history of great women that WWE has pushed to massively and made stars of. Yes, they may have to look a certain way, but so do the men.

You complain that the women have to be slim and beautiful, well look at the men. They regularly mock overweight men or small men, and Vince wont touch a guy that's under 6ft and 250 pounds. These aren't 'normal' men, just like the divas aren't 'normal' women. All of them, men and women alike, are covered in fake tan and sold based on their appearance.

WWE is pg now, it doesn't even use sex to sell anymore, and yet you're still complaining for no good reason. I don't know your motive, but seriously, learn how all show-business and media works before you spew this kind of crap again. I may not like Vince's decisions all the time, but I wont listen to this kind of ill-informed nonsense from anyone.

Also, Eddie signed with WWE only a few years before he died, when he was off the steroids and painkillers. Vince played no part whatever in his death and actually hired his wife as an unknown talent to quite an important role, just as a favour to the family. Vince was nothing but good to Eddie, and don't forget that.

 

[Tyler44]

Its an entertainment television program. They are not literally saying this on purpose to make her feel like shit. I'm sure that wwe will notify or ask anyone if it is alright to make fun of them in that way. Seriously, this isn't a big deal as long as they consent the woman before time and ask for permission.

 

[Pickle]

Right, seriously, shut the hell up you self-righteous arse.

So right off the bat, I'm going to assume you don't mind an employer calling an employee fat, because you yourself like to partake in unwarranted name calling. Neat.

Firstly, Vince and the WWE as a whole may have/has something of a trend of sometimes using female wrestlers or divas for T&A purposes, rather than their wrestling talent, but look at the facts, sex sells.

Tenta isn't arguing that sex doesn't sell. He's saying that it's not right that any women that don't look a certain way are mocked and humiliated.

If these women hated it so much, they didn't have to work there.

Shit, really? Have you mentioned this to your local prostitution rings yet? "I'm a white male that feels minimal pressure to look or act a certain way. But my limited experience in anything but myself and my own life leads me to believe that you are doing this by choice when you really don't have to." I'm sure it'll go over well.

You complain that the women have to be slim and beautiful, well look at the men. They regularly mock overweight men or small men.

Examples?

ill-informed nonsense

Finally, something in your post I can agree with.

 

[rayisawesomeness]

Are you people forgetting that these women choose to do this? Nobody is holding a gun to their heads and saying they NEED to do this. Also, you have to look at the positives. These women get paid a ton and also get spots on TV. If you want to watch women get treated with "respect," then go watch beauty contests and listen to women like Miss South Carolina.

 

[SinCityBlitz]

Did anyone ever stop to think(I know a couple of people alluded to it in this thread) that Mickey knew what was going to be said? If Vince was as cruel and heartless as the IWC make him out to be he would have no one working for him.

It's ok to feel strongly about things but let your TV remote be your weapon not a petition. If you want to make a worthwhile petition how about one about violence against women? How about one against the exploitation of women in the sex trade industry? See those women don't have a choice. They are forced to endure their horrors unlike the women in the WWE who could easily walk away.

Petitions just make wrestling fans look like Marks. They don't change anything. Vince had GLAAD all over his ass for the Goldust character. He just went right ahead with his plans anyway. What do you think a petition is going to do?

 

[Tenta]

Right, seriously, shut the hell up you self-righteous arse.

Yes, because name calling is the exact way to get your point across, when I'm accusing someone else of name calling. You're making a strong point there...

Firstly, Vince and the WWE as a whole may have/has something of a trend of sometimes using female wrestlers or divas for T&A purposes, rather than their wrestling talent, but look at the facts, sex sells. Rappers and rock stars, magazines, newspapers, sporting events etc etc use women as the eye candy a lot of the time.

You seem to miss my point completely. The point isn't about "sex", it's about the poor treatment of women who don't embody Vince's unrealistic beliefs on what "sexy" is.

If these women hated it so much, they didn't have to work there. A lot of the WWE women were dancers or models, and so performing in a bikini really wasn't that much of a problem.

Really? I'll go inform the next prositute I see she doesn't have to sell herself for sex. That should get my point across so well.

Look, for wrestlers, this is their best chance of making money. I'm not going to tell them turn it down, just because they're going to be subjected to ridicule that is demeaning, and downright coarse. It falls upon the employer to teach his employees with respect and dignity. Something in which Vince has failed at, in every facet.

As for the actual women wrestlers, while the divison nowadays may be lacking, you have a very short memory if you don't know the history of great women that WWE has pushed to massively and made stars of. Yes, they may have to look a certain way, but so do the men.

Most of the women you're talking about (Trish, Lita) rarely dealt with this treatment. And even then, were you not uncomfortable watching Trish bark, walking on hands and knees around the ring?

If you weren't uncomfortable, you are a pretty sick fuck.

plain that the women have to be slim and beautiful, well look at the men. They regularly mock overweight men or small men, and Vince wont touch a guy that's under 6ft and 250 pounds. These aren't 'normal' men, just like the divas aren't 'normal' women. All of them, men and women alike, are covered in fake tan and sold based on their appearance.

I've rarely heard a male wrestler made fun of by their weight on Vince's broadcast.

Be that as it may, women are far more self conscious, and that's a simple fact. Would you dare call your mother fat? You can see doing it to your father, but how about your mother?

pg now, it doesn't even use sex to sell anymore, and yet you're still complaining for no good reason. I don't know your motive, but seriously, learn how all show-business and media works before you spew this kind of crap again. I may not like Vince's decisions all the time, but I wont listen to this kind of ill-informed nonsense from anyone.

Right.... The guy that doesn't seem to understand the basic concept of grammar is telling me about "ill-informed nonsense".

Seriously, get over yourself.

Also, Eddie signed with WWE only a few years before he died, when he was off the steroids and painkillers. Vince played no part whatever in his death and actually hired his wife as an unknown talent to quite an important role, just as a favour to the family. Vince was nothing but good to Eddie, and don't forget that.

Sigh... We're going to get into this again?

Ok... It's very simple... If Vince knew Eddie had a problem, why didn't he stop him? Why wasn't he suspended, and why was he allowed to come back in the condition which Vince brought him back?

Because Vince cares so much, right?

 

[richunclescrooge]

In regards to the smackdown mccool/layla/mickie video:

Last night when I saw that I cried and I wanted to rip Michelle and Layla's heads off

That is pretty much why that video was shown. This is entertainment. The point of it all was to give mccool and layla heat by making everyone feel bad for mickie, and I believe it worked. Mccool and layla are the stereotypical "bitch" characters, and with a petition like this it seems that being called fat has a great impact on women. This is why the video was shown, to give them heat and make you want to see mickie kick their asses, which will surely happen. Good will triumph over evil in the end. (side note: with the WWE gearing programming toward kids why is cm punk as a heel doing promos against drugs and alcohol? I was watching that promo on smackdown and it almost seemed like r truth was telling kids to light up and get wasted, but im just rambling now)

I have seen women call each other worse things than "piggy" and those are usually the women who act like mccool and layla. Wrestling is a mirror of current society, and just as there are mean people (mccool/layla) there are also nice people like mickie. Thats why they are in conflict, heels vs babyfaces. The video was shocking to a lot of people, and it was meant to be to get people behind mickie and against layla and mccool.

If it was vince's intention to presumably call mickie fat just to throw it in her face then that would be wrong (and btw i dont think she is fat at all) but does anyone really know that? has anyone on here talked to vince and had him say "im going to embarrass mickie cause she has gained a pound or two"? If so, then he was wrong to do it, but if not then we dont REALLY know. An arguement could be to look at his track record which was listed in the first post, but there were others who didnt "fit the mold" and turned out fine. Chyna. she didnt fit the "mold" so to say, but she was a dominating force in the WWE. She held numerous titles including the IC title. She didnt fit the supermodel mold but I think she did great. Same with currently beth phoenix (well shes only been doing squash matches recently but still). She was dominating the womens division and she was not a joke either.

I think the biggest issue would be vince HIRING people that dont fit his mold. I have a quote from a reputable source saying "when vince looks for a new diva he opens a swimsuit catalog and says 'get me this one'". If vince really didnt want mickie around he would make up a bs excuse to get rid of her. He recently fired big daddy v for being too fat (I know the comparison is a stretch with big daddy being around 500 lbs and mickie around low 100's, but if vince wanted to he could make something up like the whole kennedy thing).

There are issues with guys too with body image, its not just girls, and the guys issues are more easily visible. If a guy isnt over 6 feet his chance to wrestle for wwe is limited. if he isnt super muscular, his chance is limited. Just look at jamie noble, his work is great but he just isnt big enough, so he has to job to many people including seamus who powerbombed him on the floor. jamie's expressions were great, he knows how to sell, he just isnt big enough. and the list goes on. and speaking of the weight issue, thats there too. Yokozuna, his finishing move was to sit on his opponent. Rikishi used it too, not to mention the stink face. it was presumed because he was fat that he had a smelly rear end. Is this wrong? I dont think so. They knew what they were getting into, especially being in show business, and enjoyed doing it. whats more, the fans loved them for it. and with this fat threat going on why has nobody stood up for the big show? he has been insulted many times, especially currently by hhh about his weight. personally I have no problem with it, it just mirrors society. on the playground when you were growing up, did the fat kid get picked on? most of you I would assume would answer yes. Is it wrong for him to be picked on because of his weight? OF COURSE ITS WRONG, but that is what's happening. the problem isnt vince, the problem is the media and society. WWE mirrors society but it IS NOT society, it is TV, WWE IS NOT REAL LIFE.

I know this has been way too long and someone will probably find something I said that contradicts itself but to sum it up: I think the video was fine and the main problem is with all media and society itself, not just vince.

 

[CaptainZaltan]

While you're at it, you might also want to create petitions against Vince's portrayal of Mexican's, Canadians, Europeans, Blacks, Jews, Jamacians, Asians, Arabs, censors, critics, Ted Turner, and....well, everyone.

Honestly, I get what you're saying. There have been a lot of times where i have been pissed off by the WWE's content (although generally more of a result of it being stupid than offensive). But you have to realize that at it's core the WWE is a frathouse. Chauvinism and xenophobia have been a part of WWE programming for as long as I can remember. Whether VKM is using the WWE as a vehicle to promote his own beliefs and attitudes, or simply believes that people more readily identify with stereotypes and cliches (which may be correct), it doesen't really matter.

The point is, the 'fed' has been offending people for a long, long time, in a variety of ways. A petition will not change that. Why? Because they don't care what you think, as long as you keep watching. This is the company that gave us 'Cryme Tyme', after all. Programming won't change unless ratings/buyrates plummet as a direct result of a particularly offensive content. And that won't happen unless the target demographic for xenophobic, chauvinistic, stupid crap dries up. Which, apparently, it never will.

I'm not saying that I condone the WWE's views, or that the WWE is blameless because it's really only a reflection of society (although that is partially true). I'm just saying that you'll have just as much luck changing the direction of the wind by screaming at it as you will getting the WWE to alter its content with a petition. Ultimately, the only power and responsibility you have as a viewer is to stop watching. If the women of the WWE are really being mistreated, it's up to them to step up and do something about it.

(Edit: In case it seems im getting off point here, what I'm trying to get at is that the Micky James situation and the portrayal/treatment of women in general is just the tip of the iceberg...the WWE has never been politically correct or socially responsible or whatever you want to call it, and likely never will be (at least not completely)).

Anyways, do you really think the stuff going on now is more innapropriate than what was happening in the Attitude era? I thought the WWE had toned things down a lot since they went PG; from blatant social ******ation to moderate 'sexist/racist grandpa' levels.

 

[Shadowmancer]

having watched the segment, and managed to look through the arguments made.

I have a proposition for people to think through. Lets run the match as per what happens, then Michelle McCool comes out and does the promo live. What would your reaction be?

I would personally see it in a different light because that would be where they could have Mickie get retaliation there to some extent. But this was actually just bad taste and does go against the logical denigration of the Face by the heel to give the face something to fight for. While the Heel/super-heel makes a face, case in point Roddy Piper and Paul Orndorff and Hulk Hogan. This was just pure and simple emotionally beating up of a person for entertainment. There is a word for that sort of behaviour, most people look down on it, its called Bullying and this is a great case of it from the head honcho, frankly this is one of the reasons that people look down on wrestling even if you explain it in terms of it being a morality play stuff like this makes it seem puerile to the nth degree.

 

[NSL]

It wasn't funny, it was tasteless, and goes to show that Vince is out to destroy his Divas.

Mickie looked genuinely surprised by it, and definitely upset. Even if she knew the skit was coming, it hit her hard, and there's no excuse for it. Mickie is not fat, and shouldn't be degraded on TV for being normal.

Michelle clearly needs to thank her boyfriend for keeping her job, and Vince for probably thinking that she herself is on the verge of being overweight. She's awful on the mic, and even there, in a joke skit, was a horrible actor.

Mickie should really just walk out, and either go full-on with her country career, or find a company that would appreciate her.

 

[Viola Moonlight]

I'm basically with everyone else on the subject. It was a really bad move but I can see why they would do this to her, albeit very distasteful reasonings. Its the PG era and things like these are destined to happen like having Michelle McCool singing a Farmer McDonald's remix. I just watched the promo and said "Is this what entertains kids and lures them into the WWE to become fans?" It did its point, but it could have been well scripted.

However, I am going to turn the other way for a moment. I am a huge mark for Mickie and anything bad on her part is something I was be in full force to discuss... but I have to say this to everyone. Guess what guys, the WWE is actually giving a shit about the womens division now by setting up proper feuds between female wrestlers. How long has it been that both McCool and James have been going at it without having to get in the ring and have a sanctioned match? They are clearly setting up something between these girls on SD for the allotted slots, even if it was as terribly written as it was on SD. They are furthering character developmentals of the heels Layla and Michelle who havent seen much towards a proper storyline.

I wouldn't worry about this too much... it was a badly created and poorly executed segment for something that many have been asking for about the women's division... proper storyline and feuds. Let's just pray that this does not go the way of Kim vs. James awhile back.

 

[Mantaur Rodeo Clown]

Regardless of how the segment was done or handled, I just want to make one thing very clear. If we didn't know any of the situation behind this, with Mickie possibly leaving and Michelle having relations with the Undertaker, we wouldnt have given two shits about this. This would have just been another storyline done, and it wouldnt have been it. But no, because us ravenous IWC are so hungry to paint Vince McMahon as the devil himself, everything must be considered a conspiracy. Call me a WWE Shareholder if you would like, but I havent met Vince McMahon, have no idea he had any part in this segment or the writing of it, so I'm not going to sit behind my keyboard and judge him for it.

Here's a situation for you. How many times have we seen this happen but with male wrestlers? Sure, we havent seen them being called out on their weight. But we sure as hell have seen them called ugly, dumb, small below the belt, not able to support their families, drug addicts, absolute failures. But no one cared. You know why? Because we realise that it was a story. It happens in wrestling all the time. But because we're all Nancy Drew, we like to dig behind the scenes and figure out this was a way to slander Mickie James. It was a really bitchy thing to do. Michelle is a heel. Sure, you can't embarasss your faces like that, but you shouldnt slap their fathers or kiss their unconcious wives in front of them. I agree the segment could have been handled better, but seriously, you act like this is the first time its happened.

As far as I can remember, when Melina had a storyline of sleeping with Batista for a title shot, no one called this a way to disgrace her, called her a ****. Because she wasn't leaving the company and Vince McMahon had no reason to embarrass her, we had no way to blame him and accuse him of stealing candy from babies and robbin grandmothers. Over it.

 

[Tenta]

Yeah... So I've had plenty a good while to take everyone's opinions into account.... And I can't help but laugh. I seriously can't help but laugh.

So many of you have taken to make the excuse for Vince that it's merely "entertainment": That Vince is only using characters, and nothing more. That I have a stick up my ass, and that I should let it go.

To any of you that say such things, I reply as such: A couple of months, a poster I respect very much, Lord Sidious, decided to circulate a petition to get the Hornswoggle/Chavo Guerrero feud off television. I, personally, agreed with the petition, and I'm pretty sure I signed on. So many members of the IWC were up in arms regarding this feud that, at most, took up ten minutes of television. Think: People got up in arms about ten minutes. It was that much of an issue, which people from everywhere signed on to Sidious' Petition. For ten minutes. And for a jobber that had his best run in WCW in 1998. Everyone was outraged for ten minutes, and a jobber. Surely the right reason to be so offended.

Five months later, Vince McMahon performs a move that's classless, distasteful, and flat out rude. It seems to have affected on his most important employees, to the point of breaking her down to tears on live television. And not only this, but this has been a continual pattern of Vince McMahon's for years. No one was outraged when Vince paraded one of the most dominant women wrestlers, Rhonda Sing, as the comedic beached whale, and embarrassed her in front of a worldwide audience. No one spoke up when Molly Holly was continually referred to as a "fat ass", on live television, on a consistent basis. Week in and week out, Vince continues to flaunt the fact that he can call his employees "fat", though we're all aware that anorexia is a massive issue in society today, and that millions, if not billions, of women are completely self conscious about their bodies. Still, Vince parades his ambivalence to the cares of his employees. And when I attempt to take initiative, to show him how wrong he is, I'm met with:

"Get your head out of your ass. It's entertainment."

Where were you people when Sidious started his petition on Hornswoggle/Chavo? Did you tell him it was entertainment? I doubt it. I believe you were up in arms on the whole matter, and signed along, merely because you wanted your ten minutes of television used elsewhere.

You can't sign a petition for equality in the way Vince treats his employees, yet you can sign a petition for ten minutes of television. You can ignore the obvious effects that eating disorders have on the world, and society's distortion of the woman's body. But you can't ignore the plight of a jobber for life, and how "underutilized" he is.

I would like someone, anyone, to describe the logic to this thought process. I'd like to see exactly how you defend yourself here.

I'll be waiting.

 

[Remix]

Before reading Tenta's last post I didnt give a shit about the 'Piggie James' stuff. However after reading it I realise that it's bullshit for WWE to treat their talent like that.

However the post also made me realise that the angle worked. You guys are pissed off because of it (maybe for the 'wrong' reasons and at the 'wrong' people), and feel sympathy for Mickie. That was what they were trying to do, and that's what they've done. I'm still going to sign the petition (for all the good it will do) though.

 

[The_Killswitch]

It was kind of stink with that segment. I was watching with mates and Mickie looks no different to past years,shes still very hot and attractive. You look at Michelle Mccool and shes no Kelly kelly Or Melina,shes just tall ,blonde and boney.
But with critiscism can come benefits and I hope wwe realises that Mickie is trying to battle whatever bulge they see in her .

 

[Tenta]

Before reading Tenta's last post I didnt give a shit about the 'Piggie James' stuff. However after reading it I realise that it's bullshit for WWE to treat their talent like that.

However the post also made me realise that the angle worked. You guys are pissed off because of it (maybe for the 'wrong' reasons and at the 'wrong' people), and feel sympathy for Mickie. That was what they were trying to do, and that's what they've done. I'm still going to sign the petition (for all the good it will do) though.

I can see where you're going, but I highly disagree. It's not that the angle worked because it pissed me off. If anything, the more I see it, I'm just pissed at Vince, because this sounds exactly like things Vince has done in the past. I couldn't care less about McCool still, because I know she was just given lines from someone (cough, Vince, cough). She was merely acting (and poorly at that) out a skit she put no thought into.

Sure I'm pissed. But not at Michelle, just at Vince, because this is clearly his work.

 

[Lethalfan]

They did a little but it does give Michelle and Layla more over as heels. Sure It was a dick move for wwe to do and its probable going to be one of the reason why Mickie James is going to retire.

But I'm not sure if wwe actually did this just so they can embarrassed Mickie they did I think so they can enhance storyline and it also gives the divas on a little direction.

 

[Remix]

Which would be why I said pissed off at the 'wrong' people for the 'wrong' reasons; i.e. at Vince for being a mysoginistic prick. But i see it that way that the angle was supposed to piss people off (which it did) and get sympathy for Mickie (which it has). so by those criteria it was a success, regardless of whether or not Layla and McCool are included in the list of people to get pissed off at for the angle.

 

[Tenta]

Which would be why I said pissed off at the 'wrong' people for the 'wrong' reasons; i.e. at Vince for being a mysoginistic prick. But i see it that way that the angle was supposed to piss people off (which it did) and get sympathy for Mickie (which it has). so by those criteria it was a success, regardless of whether or not Layla and McCool are included in the list of people to get pissed off at for the angle.

So let me guet this straight.... Vince wanted people to get upset with him, regardless of the fact Vince hasn't played a character on television in months, has nothing to do with the angle, and has really be confined to Titan Towers? We're supposed to dislike Vince, the person, in order to get Mickie James over?

Well, clearly then it didn't work. Because most of the responses I get is that this is entertaiment. Though it was hardly entertaining at all. Hence, going back to my original question... why is mysogony "entertainment", while a leprachaun and a jobber feuding is an "outrage"?

 

[johnbragg]

I would like someone, anyone, to describe the logic to this thought process. I'd like to see exactly how you defend yourself here.

I didn't sign either petition, but I'll give it a shot.

Everyone was outraged for ten minutes, and a jobber.

The Hornswoggle/Chavo feud or running gag or whatever isn't just ten minutes. It's five minutes a week for the last six months (is it six? I don't remember when it started) with no payoff, no point and no end in sight. The McCool/James video (which is what it is supposed to be, Michelle McCool ridiculing James, even though we all suspect that Vince gets erections from champion bodybuilders, midgets, and humiliating women) is a segment in a feud, which will hopefully culminate in a wrestling match in which Mickie James will avenge her humiliations by whupping Michelle McCool's skinny bitch ass.

...not only this, but this has been a continual pattern of Vince McMahon's for years.

Here is actually the reason for the lack of outrage. On the scale of awful things WWE has done to women on TV, this is not that far up there.

This is nothing next to the abuse heaped on Vickie Guerrero, who was put in a hog pen match, called fat every week by half the roster and the announcers, and get dumped by Edge on TV and told that he was only with her for her GM power for a year or however long that storyline lasted.

Linda McMahon, on WWE TV, was put in a wheelchair and a mental hospital while Vince sexually harassed Torrie Wilson and Stacy Kiebler on national TV.

Heck, why are we limiting this to women? Who can forget the ten minute segment of pulling "hilarious" objects out of JR's ass when JR took time off to have a colon polyp or something removed? After that segment, Ed Ferrara and Vince Russo sent a joint letter of condemnation, saying "We may have tastelessly mocked JR's bells palsy with the Oklahoma character, but we were in competition and practically hated WWF and everyone there. What's Vince's excuse?"

And a two-minute, poorly done Flash animation of Mickie JAmes with a pig nose is when we should be up in arms and upset? It's a little like getting all in a huff because Charles Manson took a whiz on the carpet.

 

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Here is actually the reason for the lack of outrage. On the scale of awful things WWE has done to women on TV, this is not that far up there.

I'm going to ignore a bit of your post, as it seems this is the major point of contention. You're other points, I grant, are understandable. Only on the contingency that James does geive McCool her comeuppance. Even then, I'd like to see James give McMahon some sort of comeuppance, as this can easily be seen as a pot shot right at Mickie.

So the fact that Vince has done it before makes it allright? Going on your Manson reference, should we just pass him off if we found he conspired for more murders. Should we accept it as "Charlie being Charlie"?

No, what should happen is that people should let him know they feel what Manson did was wrong. And that's precisely the case here. McMahon needs to learn he can't treat his employees this way, male or female (your JR example does have merit). This distasteful booking must stop. Otherwise, he's going to continue to leave a stigma on all professional wrestling fans, that we're as idiotic as people portray us to be.

 

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So let me get this straight... Vince wanted people to get upset with him, regardless of the fact Vince hasn't played a character on television in months, has nothing to do with the angle, and has really be confined to Titan Towers? We're supposed to dislike Vince, the person, in order to get Mickie James over?

no. That's not what I'm trying to say. The gist of what I'm trying to say is that any heat is good heat. doesnt matter if the heat's X-Pac heat (as long as the person getting it's a heel. in which case, merchandice sales permitting should promptly become one), or the conventional kind. The fact that it's pissed you (and others) off, and/or evoked sympathy for Mickie is enough for me to say the angle's a success.

Well, clearly then it didn't work.

well to my 'it's pissed people off for whatever reason and towards whomever' viewpoint it's bveen a tremendous success. for example If my character said to Mark Henry "you're a stupid, fat, tallentless ******. why dont you fuck off and die?" I'd get heat for insulting a face, for being racist, and the writers (i.e. Vince) for writing the material. The Mickie angle's going to get that sort of responce too (or at least I hope it will. It'd be a shame if all it acieved was to get a bunch of people on the internet pissed off at Vince).

Because most of the responses I get is that this is entertaiment. Though it was hardly entertaining at all.

I agree. it wasnt entertaining.

Hence, going back to my original question... why is mysogony "entertainment", while a leprachaun and a jobber feuding is an "outrage"?

Now you see, Chavo is supposedly tallented and therefore putting him in a feud with Hornswoggle is a waste of this talent. He's also male, so he matters more. Which is why her demeaning angle can be ignored as 'entertainment' Chavo's is a disgrace to a great worker.