Vince and Creative team humiliate Mickie James on Smackdown (Petition Link Included)

[Tenta]

no. That's not what I'm trying to say. The gist of what I'm trying to say is that any heat is good heat. doesnt matter if the heat's X-Pac heat (as long as the person getting it's a heel. in which case, merchandice sales permitting should promptly become one), or the conventional kind. The fact that it's pissed you (and others) off, and/or evoked sympathy for Mickie is enough for me to say the angle's a success.

Yes, but when people also threaten to stop watching, doesn't that make the success counterproductive?

well to my 'it's pissed people off for whatever reason and towards whomever' viewpoint it's bveen a tremendous success. for example If my character said to Mark Henry "you're a stupid, fat, tallentless ******. why dont you fuck off and die?" I'd get heat for insulting a face, for being racist, and the writers (i.e. Vince) for writing the material. The Mickie angle's going to get that sort of responce too (or at least I hope it will. It'd be a shame if all it acieved was to get a bunch of people on the internet pissed off at Vince).

And you know what else will happen? Protest groups will form. The NAACP will call for Vince's head. And many advertisers are going to pull their money from WWE's product. I can guarantee you.

I agree. it wasnt entertaining.

Glad we can agree. I see people who liked it, and can't help but wonder what's wrong with them.

Now you see, Chavo is supposedly tallented and therefore putting him in a feud with Hornswoggle is a waste of this talent. He's also male, so he matters more. Which is why her demeaning angle can be ignored as 'entertainment' Chavo's is a disgrace to a great worker.

I wouldn't say "great worker". I wouldn't even say decent worker. The guy has no charisma at all, and the only reason he's on payroll is that he's Eddie's nephew. I can agree that Vince probably sees his males as "more important", but that doesn't give him the right to not treat his employees as equals from a humanity standpoint.

 

[Remix]

Yes, but when people also threaten to stop watching, doesn't that make the success counterproductive?

yes, yes it would. I also didnt know that people were threatening to do that. I haven't read the entire thread. I probably should have before making a responce in this thread. But oh well.

And you know what else will happen? Protest groups will form. The NAACP will call for Vince's head. And many advertisers are going to pull their money from WWE's product. I can guarantee you.

That would also happen. However I the racist remark was the first paralell I could draw. A little extreme I admit, however the situations are close enough to be valid, as would be the results, as long as we discount the mountains of complaints, loss of sponsors, protest groups and probable law suits. actually, the results wouldnt be that similar at all. I've got to put more thought into my analogies. Or stop posting after 12:00. one of the two.

Glad we can agree. I see people who liked it, and can't help but wonder what's wrong with them.

Agreed. There is no possible way, as far as I can see to find that promo entertaining in the slightest.

I wouldn't say "great worker". I wouldn't even say decent worker. The guy has no charisma at all, and the only reason he's on payroll is that he's Eddie's nephew.

I cant comment on how good or bad Chavo is. I havent seen him wrestle much, and therefore I dont think its fair to decide on how good or bad he is until I've seen enough of him to draw a valid, non biased opinion. The whole 'great worker' thing is how I'm assuming people were responding in the outrage threads. I wasnt here at the time.

I can agree that Vince probably sees his males as "more important", but that doesn't give him the right to not treat his employees as equals from a humanity standpoint.

Once again, I agree with you, though I'd add that there are some fans who are of the same opinion.

 

[drobs85]

man, thats why i say people should save and invest their money and cut their loses.

Mickie's been with the company for awhile now. WWE has been stooping real low lately. Mickie is 120lbs at the most. What do they want an already skinny chick to be, anorexic? WWE just has too many screws loose. James in sexy from head to toe.

 

[johnbragg]

I would say I hate to be cynical, but I don't. I'm used to it.

Vince is a prick, and a stubborn prick. I believe that if he finds out about an internet petition with 50,000 smarks names on it demanding that his TV shows stop disrespecting women over the Mickie James bit, he will first of all have an erection. Second of all, he will interpret this as GETTING HEAT. He has created sympathy for Mickie James, and next week or the week after he will raise the stake and find some new way of degrading Mickie James.

On the bright side, JAmes will be an awesome addition to the Knockouts Division 90 days after she is released.

 

[blackrose1013]

As for evil triumphing in the end, as both a fan and a WWE Shareholder(TM) I disagree. Think about that little girl at 0:11 of the video. If her mom still buys her the PPV, and she sees Mickie and justice triumph over evil and Michelle McCool, she will remember that and probably be hooked on wrestling, at least for a very long time. If, however, there is no payoff, if good just takes it in the shorts indefinitely, then she will cover her room in Twilight posters instead.

And, my friends, That's Not Good for Business.

I have to agree, mostly cause i dont want to see another girl waste her fantasies on twilight. i think it is out of taste and yet at the same time i realize that it makes things a whole lot more interesting. Let us hope that little girl gets to see that good does triumph in the end and strike down any twilight fantasies haha.

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[Ambiguous Turd]

This was just reported by The Observer today, on our Main News Page:

The Wrestling Observer has provided new details behind the "Piggy James" video which aired on WWE Smackdown a few weeks ago. According to the report, Mickie did rehearse the segment with the production crew prior to the Smackdown taping that night, however, she did not see the final video product until she was in the ring for the actual taping. James was given a script, and was even shown a different version of the video so that she was aware of the segment heading into the taping, however what she saw then was not the final version of the video, which was of course surprisingly much more degrading to her than she had thought during the rehearsal.

And this was what I was suspecting may have been the case. She was basically told that a segment was going to be airing, and she had to stand in the ring until it was finished .... then, simply walk to the back.

So it appears she was NOT aware of the actual content of the video that actually aired and therefore had to stand in the ring to be humiliated by WWE Creative and Vince McMahon.

Vince and his Creative Team appeared to get their licks in good, because they drove the message home to James about what they thought of her and her weight "issue". It's really a matter of ethics if you think it was right what they did, for the name of "quality television" or if it went too far to degrade an individual's true self.

 

[Uncle Sam]

The fuck? People are actually offended by this? The highly attractive millionaire maybe teared up a little bit at a random segment where she got called - holy shit - a pig? And she probably was notified ahead of time?

Oh no, women's rights in America are atrocious, you're right. In a lot of other places in the world, they're stoned to death for being disloyal or, at best, treated like second class citizens. Don't come to the US - after you become a hugely successful, hugely wealthy professional wrestler, someone might say you look like a pig in a massively forgetful video package. And worst of all; it'll clearly be untrue because you're actually quite attractive. Ain't it awful?

This is the equivalent of The Undertaker crying after The Rock made fun of the way he rolls his eyes. Well, not really. The Rock's observations were generally quite accurate.

 

[Neuntoter]

It could have been worse, in terms of the humiliations that Vince can dish out. Remember when he made Trish strip in the ring? I forget the context for that, and while she did do porno, it was still an extremely demeaning skit to play out in terms of power exchange.

I side with the camp that believe that Mickie did not have full knowledge of what was going to be aired and that a back stage grievance has led to storylines designed to demean her. Some things either are, or arguably should be, out of bounds. The nature of the "piggy" skit, if done in ambush, may be one of these.

Done with MJ's full consent? Well, then it might be negative from a societal viewpoint, treatment of women, etc. But professional wrestling is only ever going to have so much of a social conscience...

 

[RayneJames81]

So hear is my view, and only my opinion lol. I have been an avid WWE fan for 12 plus years now and Mickie James happens to be one of my all time favorite wrestlers and my all time favorite Diva! I personally dont like how they poked fun of Mickie's weight, as I think she is one of the most healthiest looking Divas on the roster. But, I do get that this is a storyline, and whether or not she knew EVERY detail or not, Mickie knows the general idea of whats going on. And honestly, I think its a good story to lead up to Mickie getting a title shot against Michelle McCool, whooping her booty all over the ring, and becoming a 5 times womens champion, 6 if you count her Diva title reign in there. I think Mickie will be with the company for while yet as the Top Face Diva, and will someday be inducted into the WWE Hall of Fame. Go Mickie!!!!

 

[Dagger Dias]

I'm surprised everyone who cried about the "Piggie James" segment did not post more complaints on here tonight. I saw Michelle wearing a shirt that read "Piggie James". So I'm guessing either you don't care about this anymore, haven't bothered to post a rant about it, or maybe you guys all finally figured it out that the segment (plus Michelle having that shirt tonight) is meant to get her heel heat and to get Mickie more over as the challenger.

I stand by my previous statements in this thread that the original segment did its job, because by the time the match happens if they keep this stuff up then pretty much everyone will be supporting Mickie in her match against Michelle.... unless they are big fans of Michelle, like I am.

 

[Tenta]

I'm surprised everyone who cried about the "Piggie James" segment did not post more complaints on here tonight. I saw Michelle wearing a shirt that read "Piggie James". So I'm guessing either you don't care about this anymore, haven't bothered to post a rant about it, or maybe you guys all finally figured it out that the segment (plus Michelle having that shirt tonight) is meant to get her heel heat and to get Mickie more over as the challenger.

I stand by my previous statements in this thread that the original segment did its job, because by the time the match happens if they keep this stuff up then pretty much everyone will be supporting Mickie in her match against Michelle.... unless they are big fans of Michelle, like I am.

Actually, no, Dagger, neither of those are the case.

The truth? I've decided I'm not watching. Plain and simple. I've just come to the sad conclusion that the WWE's brand of entertainment just isn't the kind that I'm privy to find "good", nor do I find myself wanting to support this material. I've pretty much gotten McMahon is a douche who, more or less, cares very little, if at all, for the safety and respect of his employees.

So I'm not watching. Plain and simple.

That a good enough answer for you?

 

[Toroc102]

There all right man, there are equally effective ways of getting heat than by insulting her that way. To me this comes off as one of those personal attacks by Vince that everyone hates. Like anytime he decides to humiliate Jim Ross and his health problems, like on MSG when he delivered that promo to Roddy Piper that sounded to me like he'd been practicing in his head for years, like when he sent Vickie out the way he did, like the big kick he gets out of bringing up the Montreal Screwjob at every chance he gets? Its totally classless to do these types of things, and even worse it reeks of hypocrisy. Like Vince wants to be pg huh? All of this shit sound like the type of things a low down douche would do, not somebody that cares about the kids. Haha girls watching WWE, Mickie James is fat, if you wanna look good you have to lose 20 pounds. Great message Vince, and its funny that the FCC or whatever falls for it. That they think the WWE is children friendly programming is really sad.

 

[gully side adidja]

well it was about time someone told her she looks like one,figure is one of the most important things for a woman, and james just does not care about her upper body, it does not hurt to have a burger once in a while or some beer, BUT NOT EVERY FUCKING DAY, that footage shown made her relies, that either shape up, or ship out, however it was out of order, wwe to do that to her without her knowing, maybe they weren't confident in her acting so they did it to get a real reaction what you can't fake. holla.

 

[Dagger Dias]

well it was about time someone told her she looks like one,figure is one of the most important things for a woman, and james just does not care about her upper body, it does not hurt to have a burger once in a while or some beer, BUT NOT EVERY FUCKING DAY, that footage shown made her relies, that either shape up, or ship out, however it was out of order, wwe to do that to her without her knowing, maybe they weren't confident in her acting so they did it to get a real reaction what you can't fake. holla.

I simply must disagree there. Mickie may be a bit bigger than the "standard" (for lack of a better word) that the WWE divas are held to.... but she is still beautiful when compared to most women out there. I have been defending the fact that the "Piggie James" segment (and Michelle's shirt) were funny.... but Mickie is NOT anywhere near what you are describing. You're right that figure should be important for women, but there is nothing wrong with Mickie's. Lots of people worldwide find her attractive.

 

[modest-genius]

Oh look; a thread where people are moaning at WWE and Vince McMahon. There is no way to win with you people. WWE finally do an original segment (which excuse me, Mickie of course knew about, thats just internet wrestling fans stiring shit again) and boo it was to mean. Fine. Just don't bitch about RAW when we have a diva heel promo and she talks for three minutes about why she is not only more sexy but more powerful blah blah blah

 

[Klown_Karnage]

Now, on to business. The Mickie James Weight Angle...is this really the best that WWE creative can come up with? I'd almost prefer it the way that things were before: when the Divas were getting no storylines at all. Seriously, the first Diva based story angle in an extremely long time and what does it revolve around? The weight of the best female wrestler in the WWE (well, one of the best anyway, and probably the most versatile), not to mention possibly the only one left that actually looks like a real woman as opposed to a plastic packaged doll for little girls. Besides, she's one of the few that's actually believable when dealing out punishment. Most of the Divas look like a strong breeze would knock them out. I'm including Michelle McCool in that category. Seriously, what a boring womens champion she's turning out to be, but I digress.

Is it simply that the WWE considers women to be so shallow that the only thing that concerns them is their own weight and the weight of others? Or is it simply that the WWE is merely pandering to their corporate masters in the advertising world that want all women to look like toothpicks with helium balloons attached? It's all rather disgusting considering that many women do watch the WWE (they even like to advertise the fact just coming in after commercials) so how is this affecting the younger ones. I'm just sayin', Mickie actually looks healthy and if women are supposed to believe she's what fat is...well, I sure don't want to hang around in a place where the average woman's dress size is in negative numbers. Frankly, I think a woman should be at least healthily huggable, not liable to snap in half when I go for an embrace.

The whole thing is far too middle school locker room for words. If the WWE is trying to put these girls out as women, then they should act like they are women. I know that the WWE has been running on fumes as far as storylines lately and the Divas always get the short end of the stick, but come on Vince, please stop insulting your audience by putting out T.V. diarrhea like this.

 

[stephaniexa]

When did Smackdown go back to middle school? I have this to say about Michelle McCool that for a former middle school teacher, she acts more like a middle school student then an adult. I should know I deal with these kind of people every day. I will tell you one thing though the WWE does not need to be encouraging bullying of this type. Calling someone who is healthy 'piggy' is sending the wrong message especially to the young, impressionable girls out there who watch this show.

This storyline had run its course long before it even began. The only good conclusion I could possibly see coming out this is Beth Phoenix(going face) and uniting with Mickie against Michelle and her lackeys because it is only a matter of time before she(Michelle) comes and attacks Beth for her weight as well.

So I have another thought for you. If we are going to hold the divas in the WWE to an almost impossible standard of what Vince considers beauty and then lets put the shoe on the other foot and lets hold the Superstars to the exact same standards of handsomeness. I guarantee you that Vince wouldn't be so willing to judge women then.

 

[mister_b1LL]

When did Smackdown go back to middle school? I have this to say about Michelle McCool that for a former middle school teacher, she acts more like a middle school student then an adult. I should know I deal with these kind of people every day. I will tell you one thing though the WWE does not need to be encouraging bullying of this type. Calling someone who is healthy 'piggy' is sending the wrong message especially to the young, impressionable girls out there who watch this show.

Now that you mention it, I now see where you may be coming from. There actually is a good message coming out of this if you'd like to look at it this way. Michelle is portraying that stuck-up girl at school that thinks that anybody who's not the same as her is ripe material for her insults. Mickie simply portrays the victim of those attacks (ie, the nerdy girl or any other type of person that fits the bill). All that Mickie is trying to do is defend herself from the attacks. If she adds in a promo about "You don't have to be stick thin to be beautiful," then you have the positive message the young, impressionable girls are looking for.

 

[King Douche]

Now that you mention it, I now see where you may be coming from. There actually is a good message coming out of this if you'd like to look at it this way. Michelle is portraying that stuck-up girl at school that thinks that anybody who's not the same as her is ripe material for her insults. Mickie simply portrays the victim of those attacks (ie, the nerdy girl or any other type of person that fits the bill). All that Mickie is trying to do is defend herself from the attacks. If she adds in a promo about "You don't have to be stick thin to be beautiful," then you have the positive message the young, impressionable girls are looking for.

Which adds onto the PGness of storylines. Lol whats next they gonna have Big Show starty picking on people backstage stealing their lunch money, and he gets into a feud with Mysterio that teaches you to stand up to bullies.

Or CM Punk angle with not smoking or doing drugs cause its a bad bad thing to do and will give you lung cancer and kill you when you get older. Come on! This is WWE's way of dark comedy and sick humor. They done stuff liek thsi before.

 

[Dagger Dias]

Now that you mention it, I now see where you may be coming from. There actually is a good message coming out of this if you'd like to look at it this way. Michelle is portraying that stuck-up girl at school that thinks that anybody who's not the same as her is ripe material for her insults. Mickie simply portrays the victim of those attacks (ie, the nerdy girl or any other type of person that fits the bill). All that Mickie is trying to do is defend herself from the attacks. If she adds in a promo about "You don't have to be stick thin to be beautiful," then you have the positive message the young, impressionable girls are looking for.

EXACTLY! That's why they are doing storylines like this. Michelle is getting heel heat, and Mickie is getting more fans behind her who want to see her overcome to insults. Say what you will about this storyline, but this stuff happens every day to real people. Is it the best thing they could have done with the divas? No, not really. Did the segment(s) do their job? Absolutely. Mickie can be a role model for those who have been attacked by similar insults in real life by saying things like how she doesn't have to be a stick to be beautiful. Whether or not she wins this feud when all is said and done, all it takes is a couple of promos like that and she'll get plenty more fans.

I stand by my previous statements (yet again) that the piggie james stuff did what it was supposed to because Michelle got more heat and Mickie got more fans. That was what the segments were for, that's why the WWE is justified in airing them, regardless of how much some people might disagree with these segments being aired.

 

[RayneJames81]

Its a great story line. Not the best topic of choice to start a story line, but at least the Divas on Smackdown HAVE a GOOD running storyline. I love Mickie James, who is perfectly portioned out and very gorgeous and talented in the ring. She can dish it out and can be a strong support in the total Divas Division. Anyone who thinks Mickie is fat, or that the WWE truely believes that and is using it as punishment, you need to get a clue, cause it sure aint true. I am still hoping that Mickie gets her hands on Michelle again, and this time wins the Womens title she deserves, and Michelle more than deserves to lose already.

 

[Tastycles]

Wow. I can't believe how out of proportion this has been blown. You know that both Michelle and Layla are going to get their comeuppance in the end, whether it is from Beth Phoenix or Mickie James, and that will make them look like idiots for behaving in the manner that they did.

It may well be a little tasteless to say that Mickie is fat when she evidently isn't, but the person saying it is presented as being reprihensible. That is actually quite a positive thing. Somebody who you aren't supposed to like is saying something horrible, and will later pay for it, works out quite nicely in my view.

 

[Ambiguous Turd]

Wow. I can't believe how out of proportion this has been blown. You know that both Michelle and Layla are going to get their comeuppance in the end, whether it is from Beth Phoenix or Mickie James, and that will make them look like idiots for behaving in the manner that they did.

It may well be a little tasteless to say that Mickie is fat when she evidently isn't, but the person saying it is presented as being reprehensible. That is actually quite a positive thing. Somebody who you aren't supposed to like is saying something horrible, and will later pay for it, works out quite nicely in my view.

What good would it serve if Mickie James wasn't the one to get revenge on Michelle McCool? Michelle McCool was the one who made fun of Mickie James' weight, so in order for her to really get hers, it should be Mickie as the one to actually take revenge out on her, shouldn't it? I certainly think so. Otherwise, it sends a message to the crowd that this type of thing is perfectly acceptable and that Michelle triumphed over Mickie James in the feud, and got to even make fun of her weight, too.

If Mickie James isn't the one to take revenge out on McCool, then it really rectifies nothing. And I have a feeling that Mickie James is on her way out the door, anyway, and that she will not be winning this feud, and nor will she be capturing the Women's Title due to her rumored planned Country Music career she is interested in pursuing.

 

[Dagger Dias]

What good would it serve if Mickie James wasn't the one to get revenge on Michelle McCool? Michelle McCool was the one who made fun of Mickie James' weight, so in order for her to really get hers, it should be Mickie as the one to actually take revenge out on her, shouldn't it? I certainly think so. Otherwise, it sends a message to the crowd that this type of thing is perfectly acceptable and that Michelle triumphed over Mickie James in the feud, and got to even make fun of her weight, too.

If Mickie James isn't the one to take revenge out on McCool, then it really rectifies nothing. And I have a feeling that Mickie James is on her way out the door, anyway, and that she will not be winning this feud, and nor will she be capturing the Women's Title due to her rumored planned Country Music career she is interested in pursuing.

Beth Phoenix could do it. If Mickie is about to leave, then Michelle could shift her focus of insults over to Beth instead. She could put her down for being strong, which to Michelle's character might not be womanly. Then she could go on to say that not being womanly makes you as bad as Piggie James, or something. Beth snaps, and suddenly is a face instead of a tweener. We now have a heroic amazon face character, she feuds with Michelle and they have a great match, Beth becomes Womens Champion, and the fans get a good moment because Michelle got what she deserved because the faces overcame the top heel. It could work without Mickie as long as Michelle includes a remark along the lines of "that makes you just as bad as Piggie James!" because then Beth would be avenging Mickie too if she leaves.