TNA Bound For Glory 2011

[klunderbunker]

This is an easy one.

If you want to keep your promotions title legitimized, you keep it on legit talent. Roode is obviously not quite ready for that belt. We all knew this for a while now. That is the only SMART thing TNA did.

Now, if only they didn't waste our time with the BFG series in order to get Roode there. That's a different story.

Well then maybe they shouldn't have put him in the main event of their biggest show of the year then. You had AJ, Joe and Styles in the same series.

 

[D-Man]

Not only did he lose, but he lost LIKE THAT

Could it have been some hardcore legit shit? A roll up or ankle lock in the middle of the ring? Roode refuses to quit, passes out?

No, oh noooo. It has to be on some shit like THAT after a pretentious roll around and do nothing-fest

Maaaan oh MAN

The whole fucking BFG series. The biggest angle in the company. Culminates like that.



If it didnt provide such great fodder for mockery, I would be pissed too.

JGoose and I are talking about how much we fucking love you right now.

 

[Harthan]

So because the WWE books one way that automatically means that TNA must do the same. WWE usually puts faces over at Wrestlemania, ergo every big PPV main event must end in a babyface victory.

This is that whole "You've got to offer an alternative - whilst still doing everything the same" philosophy again.

No. This is false. It's not about a heel going over. It's about the circumstances under which a heel went over. People have already made the point time and time again here, just go read it.

If the roles had been different tonight - if Sting was champion, and heel Daniels won the title, this would be 100% different.

 

[klunderbunker]

Actually Roode has been built up since before the Series. He got the win at Lockdown over Flair which started his push.

Oh and isn't Roode supposed to be this star in the making that everyone and their mother has said is the next big thing that would be great if they pushed him? I still haven't seen it and never have.

 

[D-Man]

Well then maybe they shouldn't have put him in the main event of their biggest show of the year then. You had AJ, Joe and Styles in the same series.

Welcome to my point. NOTHING MAKES SENSE.

NOTHING!

 

[D-Man]

Actually Roode has been built up since before the Series. He got the win at Lockdown over Flair which started his push.

Since when does ONE PPV win from a tag team member constitute a singles push at the biggest PPV of the year? And let's be serious... is beating Flair REALLY a big deal anymore?

 

[klunderbunker]

Dang typo. You had RVD, Joe and Styles in it.

 

[klunderbunker]

Since when does ONE PPV win from a tag team member constitute a singles push at the biggest PPV of the year? And let's be serious... is beating Flair REALLY a big deal anymore?

According to TNA it is. Also he got put into bigger angles after that.

 

[Mighty NorCal]

So because the WWE books one way that automatically means that TNA must do the same. WWE usually puts faces over at Wrestlemania, ergo every big PPV main event must end in a babyface victory.

This is that whole "You've got to offer an alternative - whilst still doing everything the same" philosophy again.

Has nothing to do with WWE or TNA or any other acronym. It has to do with basic story telling 101.

You wrap up the biggest angles at the biggest show of the year. The good guy wins, or something utterly got-damned insane goes down. Period.

and if he doesnt, it damn sure isnt on some CHICKEN SHIT like that was

 

[D-Man]

Dang typo. You had RVD, Joe and Styles in it.

AJ sounded better. RVD just plain sucks ball sweat these days.

 

[This Is My Name Thank You]

I would be more upset if it was James Storm losing the match. I am content with Roode losing.

 

[Gelgarin]

No. This is false. It's not about a heel going over. It's about the circumstances under which a heel went over. People have already made the point time and time again here, just go read it.

If the roles had been different tonight - if Sting was champion, and heel Daniels won the title, this would be 100% different.

The circumstances being a heel going over when you don't want them to, which should ideally be every match.

 

[Harthan]

1) £50 says the title will be on a home grown talent inside the next three months.

2) Let me get this straight: this isn't about being pissed that a heel went over... it's about TNA ruining the ending to their biggest PPV... by having a heel go over. Your argument makes no sense.

3) As I said before, the storyline is not over. That's not how things work in TNA. Stories don't just end on the whim of a fucking calender.

TNA didn't ruin the PPV by putting a heel over, they ruined it by not putting over the homegrown talent they've built up for months.

 

[D-Man]

According to TNA it is. Also he got put into bigger angles after that.

It was one, mashed together push. Too much, too quick.

You KNOW I'm a huge Roode mark and even I'M saying he was nowhere near ready. For cryin out loud, he came out to Beer Money music and not even his own! He has ZERO singles credibility right now. Besides the BFG series and that one win over Flair, what did he have? Every other week was another angle/promo with Storm. They were still a tag team without being a tag team. And he gets the title shot? Shady, bro.

 

[Harthan]

The circumstances being a heel going over when you don't want them to, which should ideally be every match.

This has got absolutely fuck all to do with heel-face alignments.

 

[Gelgarin]

Has nothing to do with WWE or TNA or any other acronym. It has to do with basic story telling 101.

You wrap up the biggest angles at the biggest show of the year. The good guy wins, or something utterly got-damned insane goes down. Period.

and if he doesnt, it damn sure isnt on some CHICKEN SHIT like that was

Lessons from storytelling 101 only work if you obey the basic tenants of narrative structure, eg: have a beginning, a middle and an end. Professional wrestling does not work like that, it's an unending narrative.

What people are saying here is tantamount to claiming that soap operas should use Christmas to blow off all of their storylines. What they actually do is almost the exact opposite, there'll be a big payoff in the form of a birth/wedding/big reveal, but the bulk of the energy will go into establishing the ground for the shows in the new year.

 

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[D-Man]

I would be more upset if it was James Storm losing the match. I am content with Roode losing.

Why? Storm is 10 times more shit than Roode is on his worst day. If it weren't for the concept of tag teams, Storm would be making cheeseburgers at Mickey D's.

 

[Harthan]

Lessons from storytelling 101 only work if you obey the basic tenants of narrative structure, eg: have a beginning, a middle and an end. Professional wrestling does not work like that, it's an unending narrative.

What people are saying here is tantamount to claiming that soap operas should use Christmas to blow off all of their storylines. What they actually do is almost the exact opposite, there'll be a big payoff in the form of a birth/wedding/big reveal, but the bulk of the energy will go into establishing the ground for the shows in the new year.

No, unless they tell us time and time again that they're blowing off all the storylines at Christmas, which is exactly what TNA does by claiming BFG is the biggest PPV of the year.

 

[JGlass]

I'm pretty sure they're not meant to piss you off to the point you don't want to watch anymore. What was the whole BFG series for? Like, really? If the first Royal Rumble took place over four months and it's winner lost at Wrestlemania in a dusty finish, I'm pretty sure you'd think that was shit. Am I right?

You're not gonna stop watching TNA, don't lie.

You know what the real problem is, the more I think about it? PPVs like BFG are supposed to end with a fucking moment. The game changing moment, history, just, you know, the fucking moment. This had an epic build. Months of a championship series. The homegrown talent, the TNA original, getting his shot at the world title after years of work, and it was the simplest thing in the world to put him over Angle, give him the title, make this one of the biggest moments in TNA's history, and change the direction of the company for the better.

And they fucked it all up.

That's the problem.

I agree with that. Even if it's the heels winning or something bad happening in the realm of kayfabe, it needs to be impactful. Angle's win didn't have that power to it, there was no real drama after the ref called for the bell. It was just over.

 

[Tequila Dave]

Yes. Book predictable, intelligence insulting drivel whereby the same thing happens week after week and I can reliably predict the result of every match going in.

If I actually approached Bound for Glory in full knowledge that Roode was going to win then I would have very little incentive to actually watch the show.

A little bit of wrestling 101 of people here who quite clearly do not understand how the whole face/heel thing is supposed to work. WHEN A HEEL WINS YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO BE UNHAPPY ABOUT IT. Otherwise they're failing as a heel.

Now I disagree with the logic of putting this match in the main event, especially following a real BFG level payoff in the previous outing, but I see no problem (and actually quite a lot of logic given the state of the rosta right now) in having the heel go over.

I was convinced he was going to win, and I still bought the PPV. Why? Because I thought it was going to be a great match and feel good moment. If the prospect of that wouldn't be enough for you, then that's TNA's fault. Harthan put it best: the biggest PPV of the year should end with a moment - something special. It's not about heel or face, hell, I didn't mind when Hardy won last year because it felt like a big deal. This wasn't a big deal. This was an average match and dusty finish after months of build.

I'm pretty sure they're not meant to piss you off to the point you don't want to watch anymore. What was the whole BFG series for? Like, really? If the first Royal Rumble took place over four months and it's winner lost at Wrestlemania in a dusty finish, I'm pretty sure you'd think that was shit. Am I right? But this is TNA, and you have to defend it at all costs.

 

[Mighty NorCal]

What people are saying here is tantamount to claiming that soap operas should use Christmas to blow off all of their storylines. What they actually do is almost the exact opposite, there'll be a big payoff in the form of a birth/wedding/big reveal, but the bulk of the energy will go into establishing the ground for the shows in the new year.

By wrapping up all of your major angles, and going forward with your newly crowned built-up champion.


Why the fuck am I explaining a concept that has been the basic framework of pro wrestling for about 30 years now?

 

[This Is My Name Thank You]

It was one, mashed together push. Too much, too quick.

You KNOW I'm a huge Roode mark and even I'M saying he was nowhere near ready. For cryin out loud, he came out to Beer Money music and not even his own! He has ZERO singles credibility right now. Besides the BFG series and that one win over Flair, what did he have? Every other week was another angle/promo with Storm. They were still a tag team without being a tag team. And he gets the title shot? Shady, bro.

Exactly! How much mic time did Roode really get during this whole build up? He got backstage segments and video build ups. He doesn't even have his own tee shirt yet let alone ring music. He needs to be developed more than what he is now. What is his character suppose to be about anyway? He is always by Storms side no matter what and he needs true time to break out on his own.

 

[D-Man]

What people are saying here is tantamount to claiming that soap operas should use Christmas to blow off all of their storylines.

Since when is Christmas the headlining episode for a soap opera? Every day in a soap is a neverending story. They never have a point of ending in the form of a PPV blowoff like pro-wrestling does.

Of all the times I respect your views, Gelgarin, these are such loads of dribble you're putting out there right now.

 

[Tequila Dave]

You're not gonna stop watching TNA, don't lie.

Do you know me? At all?