10/10/10! The TNA Bound For Glory LD

[hatehabsforever]

[QUOTE="iMPACT! Player" Riaku;2507908]But Austin turning heel in WM 17 was brilliant I suppose. Sincerely answer me this. Was it not controversial? Did you see it coming? Was it shocking? Is it drawing attention? Does it have potential to draw rating? Did you water the plants today?[/QUOTE]

No, Austin turning heel at WM17 was equally awful. A senseless swerve, just for swerve's sake, makes no sense whichever company it happens in. I hated the Austin heel turn and I hate the Hardy heel turn even more.

Yes, it was controversial, but controversial doesn't necessarily mean good. It can be, but doesn't have to be. And here it wasn't.

No, I didn't see it coming. See above.

It was shocking. See above.

Is it drawing attention? Let's face it, after six months of hype for the biggest PPV of the year and possiblhy the biggest PPV in the history of TNA, it was going to draw attention, good or bad, regardless. It will continue to draw attention on this week's iMPACT and probably next. But talk to me in a month or so, when reality sets in.

And no, goddamn it, I forgot to water the plants today, too distracted by the unsubstantiated hype of this disappointing PPV

 

[The Holy One]

I'll say this from a match standpoint it was a pretty damn good PPV, but with the entire angle that it was built on kind of bombing. I think it was alright not bad or good just ok.

 

[ABMorales787]

Is it drawing attention? Let's face it, after six months of hype for the biggest PPV of the year and possiblhy the biggest PPV in the history of TNA, it was going to draw attention, good or bad, regardless. It will continue to draw attention on this week's iMPACT and probably next. But talk to me in a month or so, when reality sets in.

And that's the key to it all. All TNA has to do is to drive it home with a few brutally solid promo's in the next few weeks and from then on begin to build the other who'll oppose They. Should TNA drive Jeff's turn solidly the next few weeks it will turn 10/10/10 into the greatest occurance since the end of the Monday Night Wars.

And no, goddamn it, I forgot to water the plants today, too distracted by the unsubstantiated hype of this disappointing PPV

You're too easily distracte... Holy Shit! The DOG!!

 

[klunderbunker]

The angle didn't bomb. It makes sense to a degree and the explanation will help a lot. Impact is going to score HUGE Thursday for the explanation. I would be very surprised if it didn't crush its old ratings record. The angle worked from that perspective.

I'm very unsure with it being Hardy and the Hogan addition didn't help much at all as that was almost a given, but this wasn't bombing.

 

[goodlay]

The angle didn't bomb. It makes sense to a degree and the explanation will help a lot. Impact is going to score HUGE Thursday for the explanation. I would be very surprised if it didn't crush its old ratings record. The angle worked from that perspective.

I'm very unsure with it being Hardy and the Hogan addition didn't help much at all as that was almost a given, but this wasn't bombing.

I fail to see anywhere where it does.

What the blue hell? KB defending TNA and im criticizing it? 10/10/10 is indeed some weird shit.

 

[The Holy One]

In short term, yeah, it'll generate the interest that they were looking for, but I don't think it'll pay off in the long term though.

 

[ABMorales787]

[quote="iMPACT! Player" Riaku;2507013]Funny thought. Jeff Hardy = They.[/quote]
I cannot believe that I was right. I fucking called it.

Remember it, bitches. I called it first.

 

[ABMorales787]

I fail to see anywhere where it does.

What the blue hell? KB defending TNA and im criticizing it? 10/10/10 is indeed some weird shit.

It's turned most of the iMPACT! Players against each other. I agree with KB.

 

[hatehabsforever]

The angle didn't bomb. It makes sense to a degree and the explanation will help a lot. Impact is going to score HUGE Thursday for the explanation. I would be very surprised if it didn't crush its old ratings record. The angle worked from that perspective.

I'm very unsure with it being Hardy and the Hogan addition didn't help much at all as that was almost a given, but this wasn't bombing.

Yes it did, it was a total bomb. It only makes sense to a limited degree because TNA threw everything and anything out there, so that no matter what direction they went in, it could be correlated to something else which has occurred over the last few weeks. The explanation will help a lot. For a week, maybe two, then it starts going downhill again. You are correct, look for iMPACT to score record ratings this week, but then what? Heading forward with a group of two guys who don't/can't wrestle, a jailbird (possibly), and two other guys? I expect a huge negative response to nWo version 2.0. A very short time spike in ratings, sure, but then back down again.

 

[klunderbunker]

I fail to see anywhere where it does.

What the blue hell? KB defending TNA and im criticizing it? 10/10/10 is indeed some weird shit.

We've been told by Sting for months that Hogan is crooked. Sting has NEVER been a heel before and has never lied before. All of a sudden he's talking more and is saying bad things about Hogan and Bischoff who have been crooked before but because they came in as faces and told us they were saving TNA, we perceived Sting as the heel when in reality he was the good guy preaching the message in his own insane way (in the biggest push of his life as the biggest face in WCW he sent a vulture down with a message sounding like Macullay Culkin to ask for a world title match. The dude is out there) that Hogan and Bischoff were evil the whole time. Hogan and Bischoff come in as the bad guys pretending to be good and manipulating the fans and keeping Sting from being able to speak the truth. Jarrett sees joining them as the only way to save his creation. Abyss is easily manipulable and Hardy is the final piece to the puzzle as you had Bischoff and Hogan supporting Anderson or Angle, leaving them both to swoop in and sway Hardy to the dark side while Angle and Anderson think they're the ones that have the ace (hogan or Bischoff) in the hole when in reality Jeff has both aces.

It makes more sense after you think about it.

 

[goodlay]

[QUOTE="iMPACT! Player" Riaku;2508024]It's turned most of the iMPACT! Players against each other. I agree with KB.[/QUOTE]

The way they play it off on iMPACT this week is crucial.

But as of right now, I hate it.

 

[ABMorales787]

We've been told by Sting for months that Hogan is crooked. Sting has NEVER been a heel before and has never lied before. All of a sudden he's talking more and is saying bad things about Hogan and Bischoff who have been crooked before but because they came in as faces and told us they were saving TNA, we perceived Sting as the heel when in reality he was the good guy preaching the message in his own insane way (in the biggest push of his life as the biggest face in WCW he sent a vulture down with a message sounding like Macullay Culkin to ask for a world title match. The dude is out there) that Hogan and Bischoff were evil the whole time. Hogan and Bischoff come in as the bad guys pretending to be good and manipulating the fans and keeping Sting from being able to speak the truth. Jarrett sees joining them as the only way to save his creation. Abyss is easily manipulable and Hardy is the final piece to the puzzle as you had Bischoff and Hogan supporting Anderson or Angle, leaving them both to swoop in and sway Hardy to the dark side while Angle and Anderson think they're the ones that have the ace (hogan or Bischoff) in the hole when in reality Jeff has both aces.

It makes more sense after you think about it.

It sounds a lot better written than elaborated. I'm just hoping they can run this thing home on Thursday.

 

[JJYanks121]

Ok, I just got home and read what you guys had to say, but I'm going to try and add new perspective on this.

1. Jeff Hardy turning is a good idea since it's never been done.

2. THEY have been there since the beginning and have had the control of the company so the angle is fucking pointless. If Jarrett led it by himself to recapture his company, it might make a little sense, but Hogan and Bischoff WERE in power and still are. Nothing was accomplished.

3. When Abyss first spoke of THEY, it was when he shoved Hogan's ring down his throat and said that THEY would put Hogan, Dixie, and maybe Bischoff out of jobs because THEY were taking over. Thus, this makes absolutely no sense. It still could if Bischoff was a part of it, but having Hogan a part of it makes no sense whatsoever.

4. TNA is absolutely despicable to use the real life health issues of Hogan to work the audience. Absolutely disgusting. In order to use him and make this "work", Hogan had to get out of bed just to gimp to the ring for the turn. Couple that with the fact that Hogan was attacked because THEY told Abyss that he'd be out of power and you have maybe the dumbest thing EVER in wrestling. That includes Hornswoggle being the son of McMahon because at least that didn't have plotholes.

5. Three grown men had to get together to drive a 120 pound woman who hired them to save the company anyway to trick her. Just let that sink in.

6. Jarrett HATED Hogan from the beginning because they never got along in WCW and Hogan came in and took his spot as owner basically. That was the story at the beginning of the year, so having them team up makes no sense either.

7. I don't believe this was the original THEY. I still believe it to be Heyman but since he denied TNA, they went the nWO swerve route to try and save things with a shock. Jeff turning was a shock, but when people realize that this whole thing makes no sense, it is going to result in bad things for the company.

8. If Hogan's last surgery was a work, that's fucking despicable and Eric Bischoff needs to go away and never return. Fucking around about a man's health for a wrestling angle is pathetic. I know we're all marks, but take a step back and realize this is JUST WRESTLING. To include tweets about a man and his health in a storyline is fucking pathetic. Grow up!

9. Jeff Hardy was a face, including face promo until the turn. I know you could argue he was "hiding it", but he dedicated the match to RVD from the beginning. At what point did he make this deal?

10. So Abyss is just going to be the whipping boy to Jeff fucking Hardy?

I could go on, but I'm done. This has more gaping holes than a ****ehouse in Vegas. A lot of failure in the air. Temporary ratings spike but those who have a brain will realize it sucks and that Heyman should have been there as THEY and really taken over. This is just sad, as Hogoff could have been heels from the beginning and didn't need to drag this shit out for no reason. Very bad news tonight.

 

[Joe's Gonna Kill You]

I really enjoyed this PPV I give it an A

 

[Pepe Silvia]

Jeff turned in 2003 and it didn't work and got aborted

 

[ABMorales787]

3. When Abyss first spoke of THEY, it was when he shoved Hogan's ring down his throat and said that THEY would put Hogan, Dixie, and maybe Bischoff out of jobs because THEY were taking over. Thus, this makes absolutely no sense. It still could if Bischoff was a part of it, but having Hogan a part of it makes no sense whatsoever.

Hulk was Dixie's business partner. We as fans have spent the entire year talking how Hulk was just there for money. It's npw the case on-screen.

4. TNA is absolutely despicable to use the real life health issues of Hogan to work the audience. Absolutely disgusting. In order to use him and make this "work", Hogan had to get out of bed just to gimp to the ring for the turn.

Hulk never got physically involved, they probably didn't want to hinder the original plans. Probably the only flaw in the overall idea of "They".
5. Three grown men had to get together to drive a 120 pound woman who hired them to save the company anyway to trick her. Just let that sink in.

Couple that with the fact that Hogan was attacked because THEY told Abyss that he'd be out of power and you have maybe the dumbest thing EVER in wrestling. That includes Hornswoggle being the son of McMahon because at least that didn't have plotholes.

If the idea was for Hulk and Eric to take the company from under Dixie's nose, it was very well done. Abyss never showed signs of favoring and eventually drove Dixie to blindly sign the company away under the belief that Eric and Hogan were also victims.

6. Jarrett HATED Hogan from the beginning because they never got along in WCW and Hogan came in and took his spot as owner basically. That was the story at the beginning of the year, so having them team up makes no sense either.

Jarrett want's TNA back because Dixie bought it from him.

10. So Abyss is just going to be the whipping boy to Jeff fucking Hardy?

He was just a pawn all the way from when Hulk gave him the ring.

Jeff turned in 2003 and it didn't work and got aborted

He didn't have a good heel mouthpiece back then.

 

[Coco]

Greatest night in the history of professional wrestling.

I love TNA.

 

[It's Damn Real!]

Jeff turned in 2003 and it didn't work and got aborted

False. It got aborted, but that's not to say it wouldn't have worked.

The Rock was given the same amount of heat at the start of his career as Cena, and both went on to have vastly successful careers — why? Because they continued their push regardless.

 

[ScreaminNormanSmiley]

So, who does everybody think THEY will be?

 

[Coco]

Someone's using a barely acknowledged lower midcard angle from 2003 to explain why this won't work?

No. Just no. Fuck off.

 

[Pepe Silvia]

I'm not saying this won't work, I'm responding to the person saying Jeff's never been heel before

Just don't care enough to quote

 

[Coco]

Okay then. I'm not reading through all of this. As long as we can agree that this is awesome.

 

[ABMorales787]

The difference between Jeff's 2003 heel run and this one is easily evident and the possible key to making this work. Eric Bicshoff.

 

[Pepe Silvia]

I'm excited for what may be, but at the moment I have a bad feeling that this will turn to shit

Jeff's court case isn't a work too, right?

 

[klunderbunker]

[QUOTE="iMPACT! Player" Riaku;2508271]The difference between Jeff's 2003 heel run and this one is easily evident and the possible key to making this work. Eric Bicshoff.[/QUOTE]

Yes that's true. He now has the most overrated man in wrestling not named Paul Heyman to help him.