[Official] "How DARE Triple H Lay His Dirty Hands On Edge" Thread

[Shocky]

Personally, eversince Edge went to SD it's been downhill.. Edge w/Lita> Edge w/Vickie.. Edge has proven he can't carry the SD brand because Ratings havn't improved..THATS why they had the draft..That's why Kennedy, Hardy, Umaga, and yes, TRIPLE H were put on Smackdown..Yeah, their move to mynetwork had alot to do with it..But it was also Edge's inability to carry the brand...The "Most watched WWE Champion" gimmick he had when he first won it was bogus because, had that been the case, Raw woulda achieved 4.5 or better all 3 weeks, and from my knowledge, they didn't... If you align Edge with a powerhouse like Umaga, or even MVP, or even Big Show(who, need we forget, is actually a SD superstar), then maybe we can take him seriously.. The time I liked Edge the most was with Rated RKO..Why?Because they were DX's biggest threat and Edge was ACTUALLY aligned with a superstar who's on his level..He wasn't aligned with 4 chronic jobbers who needed a boost.

What was Chavo doing before La Familia? Suspended. The NIGHT he joined up with Edge, he became ECW Champion...DEFEATING CM Punk..I thought I was gonna pass out.. Don't get me wrong, I love Chavo...I loved Los Guerreros, and Chavo as a heel is awesome...But aligning him with the World Heavyweight Champion, making him ECW Champion, and putting him at the forefront of ANY brand, even ECW? That just reeks of stupidity. Chavo, at best, should be where he's at on NOC, fighting for the U.S. Title... Not being the ECW Champion.

What were Hawkins and Ryder doing?Oh thats right..They were the MAJOR BROTHERS...A Tag team who was jobbing to Duece and Domino every week and had a reputation for letting the success of making it to the WWE go to their head..SO MANY other tandems coulda been used here.. Miz/Morrison for one, Cade/Murdoch when they were a team, Burke/Benjamin, or Haas/Benjamin, All of those teams have more charisma in one finger than the Majors have in their whole bodies. And noone knows or cares who Bam Neeley is. He looks like a bouncer to me.

In short, Triple H and Batista SHOULD have cleaned house.. And i'd rather have HHH as Champion than Cena.. The last time Cena was Champion, he held the title for 11 months, something Triple H i dont think has even done...And, had he not been injured, was set up to hold it another TWO or THREE MONTHS, maybe even to Wrestlemania against Triple H. So I say, the injury was a blessing..His matches against JBL were his only non main event matches in the last year. Triple H hasn't been Champion in 3 years...The MOMENT he wins the Title everyone bitches...What'd you expect?Did you want him to go without the Title until he retired?Seriously, gimme a break. You don't want Triple H as Champion because he's close to breaking Ric Flair's record..Well guess what?Ric Flair HANDPICKED Triple H to carry the torch.. Flair has said for years if anyone breaks his record, he wants it to be Triple H. That's better than someone like Hogan breaking it, who Flair hates.. Ric actually handpicked Triple H and HHH has molded his career after the Nature Boy, even before Evolution.

They built last Smackdown up as Triple H's debut on SD...If he hadn't helped Batista fend off La Familia after what happened to start the show, that whole build up would've been wasted.

The Ironic thing of this whole rant is, have you taken a notice how badly Raw's ratings have tanked, up until MDM and the Draft, since Triple H has been champion? Yeah, thought so. To come in here and bash Edge for his ratings, and then defend Triple H is a bit misguided and misinformed.

God forbid the WWE actually try to create new stars with members of La Familia. Where was Batista before Evolution, the Deacon to Brother D-Von. Randy Orton, wrestling in cool biker shorts.

And no, most people that bash Triple H are Ric Flair bashers as well. People don't want to see Triple H as champion because his title reigns are a bore, plain and simple. Triple H has done nothing innovative or interesting in 7 years now, it's the same old crap night in and night out. Triple H can be great, but he is a prime example of a guy that lives off the name he once created.

 

[Uncle Sam]

...The name others created, thank ye very much.

 

[Shocky]

Uncle Sam is correct, the name that Mick Foley created and put over on numerous, numerous instances. Without Mick Foley, there would be no Triple H, period, end of story, FACT.

 

[Gifted Music]

i'm not "bashing" Edge really..I like him..He's easily one of my top 5-7 favorites.. However I just don't see him reaching the level of HHH, Austin, Rock, Cena, asfar as being an "over" World Champion...It's a shame when the GM of the brand you're on gets more heat..I hear more cheers for Edge than I hear boos.

As for Raw's ratings declining..That has more to do with the overall state of the WWE..I agree, Triple H's latest reign hasn't really been up to par..But Triple H, unlike Edge, has a proven track record that allows you to focus less on him when ratings are declining...Triple H has proven himself, mostly as a heel, to be a ratings draw as Champion.. Not to the level of Rock and Austin, but a draw nonetheless..Plus people in general are tired of the HHH/Cena/Orton show.. Thats why HHH's move to SD needed to happen.. He needs fresh faces like Edge, MVP, Umaga(not completely fresh but still), and, assuming he stays on SD, The Undertaker.

As for the person who said OTHERS created HHH? If thats the case..I guess others created The Rock, Austin, Cena, Hogan, etc. too...Since it was Vince McMahon who gave them their gimmicks.. But if you mean who got OVER with those gimmicks?It was Triple H who picked up the ball when HBK retired.. Need I remind you that Triple H was a Top Heel BEFORE the storyline where he married Stephanie.. People seem to forget that.. They just think his career must've started at Armageddon when Stephanie turned on Daddy. Then TRIPLE H took the ball and ran with it.

And Uncle Shockey, you're right...They need to create new stars... But La Familia's been goin for awhile now and where exactly have they elevated to?Yeah, Chavo was ECW Champion but he's a guerrero..He was established before La Familia.. Hawkins and Ryder?They've never so much as received a Tag Title Shot and have lost just about every match they've been in except the handicap matches with Edge and Chavo, including a loss to Finlay and the Little Bastard last night.

Yeah, it's okay to elevate New stars.. But Randy Orton and Batista hardly ever lost or were made to look inferior in Evolution, Hawkins and Ryder do that every week. Atleast put people in there that can BENEFIT.. Hawkins and Ryder havn't benefitted other than taking the asswhoopins that WWE doesn't want Edge to take..That's it.. Evolution was dominant because Triple H, Batista, and Randy Orton ALL looked superior to everyoneelse..They looked dominant..They LOOKED like the best group on the best brand, Raw. La Familia doesn't look dominant..They look like the JOB Squad minus Edge. At one point EVERY member of Evolution had a Championship.. Orton/IC, Batista & Flair/Tag, HHH/World.. Hawkins and Ryder, again, have never RECEIVED a title shot.. You wanna make them look good? Put the U.S. Title on Chavo, have Edge defeat Batista, and Hawkins/Ryder win the Tag Titles..THEN they might look like something other than the Job Squad.

I'm not saying put Titles on all of em right away... But if La Familia's supposed to be the lead group on Smackdown, why is Edge the only one looking good? Because he's the World Heavyweight Champion? Or because the other guys can't get over? I'll take the latter on that.

 

[Gifted Music]

Uncle Sam is correct, the name that Mick Foley created and put over on numerous, numerous instances. Without Mick Foley, there would be no Triple H, period, end of story, FACT.

Mick Foley?Yeah, Triple H had a great feud with Foley...But i'd personally put HHH/Austin, HHH/Rock on a higher level than HHH/Foley.. Triple H was over long before Mick Foley came along..That's why Triple H was the one chosen to "end" his career. Triple H had also been WWF Champion and was leading DX before that so to say there'd be no Triple H without Mick Foley is a little one sided.

 

[Shocky]

I'm thinking more along the lines of the feud in 1997 with Mankind and Triple H. The match at King of the Ring made Triple H look good, the Steel Cage match at Summerslam made Triple H a legit mid carder, and Triple H vs. Cactus Jack in the street fight in the Garden (1997) made Triple H look like a legit tough guy.

Plus, Triple H may have been the top heel, but he wasn't seen as a credible champion. Hence the rush to get the title off of him as soon as he won it, (i.e. Vince McMahon and the Big Show). It wasn't until the 2nd Street fight in the garden and the inevitable Hell in the Cell match that Triple H was seen as a legit world champion, thanks in part to Mick Foley busting his ass to make Triple H look amazing.

All that was done well before Austin and Triple H's big feud, not the mini feud in late 99. I'm talking the big feud in 2000-2001, after Foley had made the game.

 

[Rusty]

This thread should be titled: [Official] Triple H bashing thread (Only Smarks allowed)

But seriously, I think he is better off staying on Smackdown than going back to Raw.

 

[jmt225]

Fuck HHH. Seriously. When the ********er is a heel, he has to be a "cool" one who is smarter then everyone and gets to rant on for twenty minutes every single show. And when he's a babyface, he's the most dominant person to ever step foot in the ring. If he were entertaining, I would be okay with this, but the guy is boring as hell and I can’t bare the sight of him.

Thank God he's off Raw now. I'm going to be pissed though if come this Monday Cena isn't champ. Still though, I'd MUCH rather take Batista as World Champ or no champion at all over HHH being on Raw with his horseshit anytime.

I respect the guy for the matches he USE to put on, and for being pretty smart to get where he's at, but he's still an overrated piece of shit. Forgetting all the politics and shit like that, when has he ever been really over? Ummm... when he was Shawn's lackey and when Steph was there to draw all the heat for him. That's it. His return in 2002 didn't do shit but put people to sleep, Evolution was lame as hell and fucked Orton in the end, and the "New and Improved" DX was some of the worse shit to ever take place on a wrestling program.

All Hunter’s matches are fucking garbage nowadays, too. How does this dude still have fans anyway? Honestly, his match with Cena from Wrestlemania 22 is the one and only match I can remember really enjoying from him since Wrestlemania 20. The guy is just fucking dreadful. My God. And what about his fucking promos? Either it’s the horrendous Shane Douglas rip-off, or him being silly Hunter, which is basically just some lame, watered-down impression of Jason Mewes. His intensity is a fucking joke, too. There’s no way I could ever take him seriously, yet his ten fans out there are so fucking gun-ho on putting this guy over like as if he’s as good as Austin or The Rock. Like the **** deserves credit for the Attitude Era. He had nothing to do with it, and he along with the Alliance angle are the main reasons why WWE’s main event scene has been absolute trash since 2002. Cena saved it for a while, but everyone had to know it was only a matter of time before Trips got back in the lime light and ruined everything. It started with the “New and Improved” DX, and got worse and worse from there.

I’m glad the douche got a 2.8 rating as champ. His fans can defend it anyway they want, but it was still the worse rating for Raw in well over ten years. Raw had the same lame storylines and undercard while Orton and Cena were champ, but they still never went below a 3.0. You know why? Because KNOWING that Cena and Orton were champs was enough reason for people to watch the show for a little while. Knowing that HHH is champ, however, turns a lot of fans off because he sucks dick and no one wants to watch a show whose champion is a goddamn ********er.

I won’t even get started on the “backstage” stuff, since that’s neither here or there, but the guy just sucks and doesn’t deserve to be going over anyone in the main event, especially someone who is million times better than he ever was in Edge. HHH is capable of having a good match from time to time I’ll admit, but overall, he’s lazy and washed up. He does the same shit over and over, and when there’s a big bump to take in what has the potential to be a decent match, he covers up like a fucking pussy. I laugh every time he blades himself, because if it were real, it came from the back of his hand and not the chair someone hit him with or the post he ran into. The dude is a bitch nowadays, plain and simple. Hopefully, the day isn’t far away where we never have to see that big nose of his in a wrestling ring again.

 

[Danmen001]

I wonder if Hunter took those Triple HIV Pills I sent him. That is all.

 

[Gifted Music]

I'm thinking more along the lines of the feud in 1997 with Mankind and Triple H. The match at King of the Ring made Triple H look good, the Steel Cage match at Summerslam made Triple H a legit mid carder, and Triple H vs. Cactus Jack in the street fight in the Garden (1997) made Triple H look like a legit tough guy.

Plus, Triple H may have been the top heel, but he wasn't seen as a credible champion. Hence the rush to get the title off of him as soon as he won it, (i.e. Vince McMahon and the Big Show). It wasn't until the 2nd Street fight in the garden and the inevitable Hell in the Cell match that Triple H was seen as a legit world champion, thanks in part to Mick Foley busting his ass to make Triple H look amazing.

All that was done well before Austin and Triple H's big feud, not the mini feud in late 99. I'm talking the big feud in 2000-2001, after Foley had made the game.

If you wanna go back that far then how about HHH/Rock's feud for the IC Title back when The Rock was still Rocky Maivea? If anyone, and I mean ANYONE deserves any kinda credit for Triple H becoming "the Game" it's not Vince, it's not Stephanie, Mankind, or the Rock..It's Shawn Michaels. HBK took him in DX and basically molded him in to the future HBK..The future headliner. HBK first coinced the name "Triple H"..HBK gave HHH the edge he was missing as a blue blood..And when HBK retired, HHH picked up the ball with DX.. HBK did for Triple H what Triple H did for Orton and Batista...Molded him in to a future World Champion.. They're all valid points and I remember those Mankind/HHH matches but I think HBK's really the only one who deserves credit for molding Triple H in to The Game. All feuds need two guys to make them work.. Matches not so much but for a feud to be good, it needs atleast TWO Superstars to make it work..So while Mick did bust his ass, so did Triple H so I don't really think Foley "made" the Game..He just helped in the progression.

 

[Uncle Sam]

This thread should be titled: [Official] Triple H bashing thread (Only Smarks allowed)

It should really be called [Official] Triple H Defence Thread (3 bashers max.) though, shouldn't it? There are more people blindly defending him. NorCal even seemed to suggest - in another thread - that Triple H is hard done by, having to lose to Cena twice in the space of three years. Well, potentially having to.

 

[Mighty NorCal]

I dont even understand what the hell you just said just now lol

 

[Mighty NorCal]

what I DO know is...

Cena VS Trips WM 22..Triple H lost..

Triple threat at backlash...Triple H lost

Royal Rumble...Cena threw triple H out. not even on a fluke. tossed him out like a peice of garbage...

WM 24..Triple H lost

Backlash...Triple H won, but didnt pin Cena...

Triple H has never beat Cena. And he wont this sunday.

 

[Uncle Sam]

So... Cena > HHH?

 

[Mighty NorCal]

Cena > HHH kayfabe

Cena > HHH in reality

 

[Uncle Sam]

Cena > HHH kayfabe

Cena > HHH in reality

Is that a mistake?

 

[Mighty NorCal]

Um?? No???

Just becuase he is my favorite wrestler doesnt mean I need to abandon all sense and intelligence and be a biased moron??? No.

Cena > HHH. IN just about every way.

 

[Y 2 Jake]

HHH should lose to everybody. The guy is 40. Injury prone. He should lose to wrestlers while it still means something.

 

[Mighty NorCal]

Yea. more less. He does pretty much lose anually at WM though. every year since 2004.

 

[Y 2 Jake]

So he should. He pretty much loses so his fans can talk about how he doesn't win at the big show.

 

[Mighty NorCal]

Im sure thats the reason

 

[Y 2 Jake]

It is. It's the same as him ''putting over'' wrestlers. He does it so that it looks like he isn't selfish.

 

[Mighty NorCal]

Well he sorta absolutely has to. If he doesnt, people would say he is overpushed, and buries people, ya know he is even married to vince's daughter...

...oh wait...

 

[Y 2 Jake]

It's all true.

 

[Mighty NorCal]

false