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[Official] "How DARE Triple H Lay His Dirty Hands On Edge" Thread
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I havn't had time to read ALL 10 pages but i'd like to offer my thoughts..
First, Triple H is the WWE Champion, he was built as Smackdown's prized addition..And Batista and Triple H are friends and started off SD...If Triple H DIDNT come out to help Batista it would've been stupid..Secondly, this is the same Triple H who JUST LAST WEEK allowed Chris Jericho and chronic midcarder Lance Cade get one over..Cena and HHH..The two "huge guys who never look weak" got their Asses handed to them by Chris Jericho, a guy HHH supposedly hates, and Lance Cade, who's never main evented a show in his life.. Not to mention Triple H, in the last few years, has put over Batista, Jeff Hardy, John Cena, Randy Orton, Edge, Umaga, not to mention that, eventhough Triple H won the WWE Title, his feud with Orton would constantly end Raws with Orton standing over a fallen Triple H after an RKO.
Lets not forget the Man hasn't WON a Wrestlemania match since 2003 when he beat Booker T...He lost in 04 to Chris Benoit, 05 to Batista, 06 to Cena, missed 07, then 08 to Orton.. So not only is Triple H putting people over, he's doing it on the biggest stage of them all.. He put Batista over 3 times in a row..He put GOLDBERG over, a man he can't stand..But he did it because it was the right thing to do. He practically handed Shelton Benjamin the ball by putting him over twice before Shelton proved he couldn't handle it. He basically TURNED Randy Orton and Batista from forever midcarders to former World Champions. Batista would've never been as over if his first feud as a face wasn't with Triple H.. Randy Orton's WWE Title run started with the beating of Triple H..
Triple H has been responsible for so many key things.. Batista's emergence was largely thanks to Triple H... Same for Randy Orton...Eventhough John Cena was WWE Champion before, noone really considered him to be the Top guy he is now, until he defeated Triple H at Wrestlemania...Now, back in 2002-2004, I hated Triple H..I actually turned the TV off whenever he came on..I gave up RAW tickets because I didn't wanna see Triple H..But overtime i've come to see He's good for the business, regardless of personal feelings.
And to whoever said they miss Kurt Angle...Why?He's doing the same thing in TNA that people are bashing Triple H for in WWE...But I guess it's cool to so it in TNA since people hate WWE though right?I guess it's cool for KURT ANGLE to end Samoa Joe's undefeated streak instead of an up and coming TNA prodigy like AJ Styles or Abyss..I guess it's cool for Kurt Angle to dominate tha TNA World Title scene...It's alright for Kurt to whip Styles' ass every week on Impact aslong as he puts AJ over on PPV that noone watches. If you look at Impact's breakdowns that are posted on this site, Kurt's segments routinely LOSE viewers..Wonder why..You got guys like AJ, Joe, Jay Lethal, but Angle gets the spots... Samoa Joe and Booker T face at Victory Road for the TNA WORLD TITLE...But who's getting most of the air time? Kurt Angle whipping AJ's ass for thinking he wants Karen Angle.. Like THAT hasn't been done before(see: Triple H/Kurt Angle/Stephanie storyline) My math maybe a little off i'll have to check, but I believe Kurt Angle mainevented EVERY single TNA PPV last year..Like I said I maybe wrong but if I am, not by much. But I guess it's cool for Kurt to do it since he's in TNA...But SHAME on Triple H!
How dare he get air time as the WWE Champion! I've noticed since he became WWE Champion, there were Raws where you wouldn't even SEE Triple H until his match came up..No promo, nothing. But how DARE he help out a friend who's getting out numbered by guys who don't even deserve a spot on television except Edge and Umaga. Yeah, i'd really love to see CHAVO GUERRERO whoop Triple H's ass..That's real realistic..Or maybe their bouncer bodyguard.. Or the former "Major Brothers"... Just because they're aligned with Edge doesn't mean they suddenly have personalities. In my opinion, if Triple H had lost that battle, I would've been disappointed.. "La Familia" is one of the weakest stables in WWE history.. Look at DX, Look at Evolution, Even JBL's Cabinet was stronger than La Familia and JBL's Cabinet sucked. Align Edge with Umaga, Morrison, and Miz... Or Edge, MVP, Umaga, and Carlito..Or reunite Rated RKO and add Umaga or MVP. THEN maybe i'll be upset if Triple H and Batista clean house. But against Chavo Guerrero and the Major Brothers? Give me a break.. Edge isn't lifting La Familia's credibility as major players..La Familia is hurting Edge's.
First, Triple H is the WWE Champion, he was built as Smackdown's prized addition..And Batista and Triple H are friends and started off SD...If Triple H DIDNT come out to help Batista it would've been stupid..Secondly, this is the same Triple H who JUST LAST WEEK allowed Chris Jericho and chronic midcarder Lance Cade get one over..Cena and HHH..The two "huge guys who never look weak" got their Asses handed to them by Chris Jericho, a guy HHH supposedly hates, and Lance Cade, who's never main evented a show in his life.. Not to mention Triple H, in the last few years, has put over Batista, Jeff Hardy, John Cena, Randy Orton, Edge, Umaga, not to mention that, eventhough Triple H won the WWE Title, his feud with Orton would constantly end Raws with Orton standing over a fallen Triple H after an RKO.
Lets not forget the Man hasn't WON a Wrestlemania match since 2003 when he beat Booker T...He lost in 04 to Chris Benoit, 05 to Batista, 06 to Cena, missed 07, then 08 to Orton.. So not only is Triple H putting people over, he's doing it on the biggest stage of them all.. He put Batista over 3 times in a row..He put GOLDBERG over, a man he can't stand..But he did it because it was the right thing to do. He practically handed Shelton Benjamin the ball by putting him over twice before Shelton proved he couldn't handle it. He basically TURNED Randy Orton and Batista from forever midcarders to former World Champions. Batista would've never been as over if his first feud as a face wasn't with Triple H.. Randy Orton's WWE Title run started with the beating of Triple H..
Triple H has been responsible for so many key things.. Batista's emergence was largely thanks to Triple H... Same for Randy Orton...Eventhough John Cena was WWE Champion before, noone really considered him to be the Top guy he is now, until he defeated Triple H at Wrestlemania...Now, back in 2002-2004, I hated Triple H..I actually turned the TV off whenever he came on..I gave up RAW tickets because I didn't wanna see Triple H..But overtime i've come to see He's good for the business, regardless of personal feelings.
And to whoever said they miss Kurt Angle...Why?He's doing the same thing in TNA that people are bashing Triple H for in WWE...But I guess it's cool to so it in TNA since people hate WWE though right?I guess it's cool for KURT ANGLE to end Samoa Joe's undefeated streak instead of an up and coming TNA prodigy like AJ Styles or Abyss..I guess it's cool for Kurt Angle to dominate tha TNA World Title scene...It's alright for Kurt to whip Styles' ass every week on Impact aslong as he puts AJ over on PPV that noone watches. If you look at Impact's breakdowns that are posted on this site, Kurt's segments routinely LOSE viewers..Wonder why..You got guys like AJ, Joe, Jay Lethal, but Angle gets the spots... Samoa Joe and Booker T face at Victory Road for the TNA WORLD TITLE...But who's getting most of the air time? Kurt Angle whipping AJ's ass for thinking he wants Karen Angle.. Like THAT hasn't been done before(see: Triple H/Kurt Angle/Stephanie storyline) My math maybe a little off i'll have to check, but I believe Kurt Angle mainevented EVERY single TNA PPV last year..Like I said I maybe wrong but if I am, not by much. But I guess it's cool for Kurt to do it since he's in TNA...But SHAME on Triple H!
How dare he get air time as the WWE Champion! I've noticed since he became WWE Champion, there were Raws where you wouldn't even SEE Triple H until his match came up..No promo, nothing. But how DARE he help out a friend who's getting out numbered by guys who don't even deserve a spot on television except Edge and Umaga. Yeah, i'd really love to see CHAVO GUERRERO whoop Triple H's ass..That's real realistic..Or maybe their bouncer bodyguard.. Or the former "Major Brothers"... Just because they're aligned with Edge doesn't mean they suddenly have personalities. In my opinion, if Triple H had lost that battle, I would've been disappointed.. "La Familia" is one of the weakest stables in WWE history.. Look at DX, Look at Evolution, Even JBL's Cabinet was stronger than La Familia and JBL's Cabinet sucked. Align Edge with Umaga, Morrison, and Miz... Or Edge, MVP, Umaga, and Carlito..Or reunite Rated RKO and add Umaga or MVP. THEN maybe i'll be upset if Triple H and Batista clean house. But against Chavo Guerrero and the Major Brothers? Give me a break.. Edge isn't lifting La Familia's credibility as major players..La Familia is hurting Edge's.
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Papa Shango
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John Cena> HHH
Mighty NorCal
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Czena sux
Papa Shango
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Cena rulz cuz hez awsum.
justinsayne
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People who bash Triple H to no end are just biased and blame him cause it's easier to blame the one person who's married into the owners family than it is to blame anyone else
Triple H did the normal/average face thing to do, in that same situation.
He is the WWE Champion, and debuted on a new brand...what should he have done? Not come out at all? Get his ass kicked? Fucking honestly.
And he's probably losing to Cena tomorrow, too, so let's see what all of you Triple H-Haters out there can come up with. Even when he loses cleanly, you guys still make excuses and bash him.
Its fucking ridiculous, to be perfectly honest.
He is the WWE Champion, and debuted on a new brand...what should he have done? Not come out at all? Get his ass kicked? Fucking honestly.
And he's probably losing to Cena tomorrow, too, so let's see what all of you Triple H-Haters out there can come up with. Even when he loses cleanly, you guys still make excuses and bash him.
Its fucking ridiculous, to be perfectly honest.
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Ignoring what??? telling what lies?? direct me to this please.....
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There's not gonna be two champions on SD!, someone's gotta lose. On the one hand, there's part of me that does believe that HHH will do the right thing and drop the title to Cena. However, there's another part of me that believes that HHH really wants to retain against Cena, and will convince the right people to make it happen. Either way, come next Friday, HHH will either be champion, or No. 1 Contender, and next World Heavyweight Champion. So once again, HHH's loss won't really be that much of a loss at all.
Batista-Agreed
Jeff Hardy- Has never looked stronger or better than HHH...ever.
John Cena-Agreed
Randy Orton-Is awarded the title, only to immediatly lose it. Then he has a competitive match with HHH only after Triple H had to go through Umaga. Since then, Randy hasn't looked stronger than Triple H. As a contender HHH looked like a stronger who would be rko'd only after being distracted. Furthermore, as a champion he would only get rko'd after killing ECW's roster.
Edge-When, during Rated-RKO when they won due to Eric Bischoff favoring them? Maybe when they were swept at Survivor Series 5-0? No, it was probably when they were demolished at New Year's Revolution, they did retain after all.
Umaga- Do you mean when Umaga lost with Carlito in a handicap match, during which Umaga was destroyed by Triple H. Or when Triple H beat Umaga during his night long title reign.
Oh man, you mean that he hasn't been winning at Wrestlemania? Gosh, what is creative doing, shouldn't he have a streak at Mania? Most wrestlers will never headline Wrestlemania. Even taking part in it is an honor. Did you notice that all of those matchs were for the World titles?
I don't care if he didn't like Goldberg because it isn't his job to lose to those he likes. Part of his job is losing to whoever creative wants him to. If he did it only because it was the right thing to do then that is disturbing because he should be able to decide whether or not he loses.
Once by pinfall, once by countout, and once by disqualification. Even the pin was a rollup when HHH was distracted. Wow...real impressive.
I have to think that you are kidding if you think that they were going to be midcarders their whole career. Batista's size alone garunteed him success. Randy Ortons WWE title run was awarded to him by Vince. His second run was received after a competitive match with an already beaten and battered HHH.
Things are the way they are in TNA for a number of reasons. The first of which is that Angle is their biggest aquisition. If he had lost to Joe and Styles had won it would have been rediculous. Yeah an Olymic Gold Medalist and former World Champ can't beat a fat samoan. Joe and Lethal don't draw. AJ doesn't draw yet. Right now the World title picture is shitty so they don't want too much attention called to it. Also Angle has no problem putting people over. He wanted to work out a match where he could put over Kong.
La Famiglia as a whole has to do with a reworking of the heel mentality. It calls for a removal of cool heels. It is supposed to be a bunch of cowards that just barely scrape by with the win. I ran out of time for this section though.
Mighty NorCal
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Exactly. which is why friday night's end segment made plenty of sense
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Personally, eversince Edge went to SD it's been downhill.. Edge w/Lita> Edge w/Vickie.. Edge has proven he can't carry the SD brand because Ratings havn't improved..THATS why they had the draft..That's why Kennedy, Hardy, Umaga, and yes, TRIPLE H were put on Smackdown..Yeah, their move to mynetwork had alot to do with it..But it was also Edge's inability to carry the brand...The "Most watched WWE Champion" gimmick he had when he first won it was bogus because, had that been the case, Raw woulda achieved 4.5 or better all 3 weeks, and from my knowledge, they didn't... If you align Edge with a powerhouse like Umaga, or even MVP, or even Big Show(who, need we forget, is actually a SD superstar), then maybe we can take him seriously.. The time I liked Edge the most was with Rated RKO..Why?Because they were DX's biggest threat and Edge was ACTUALLY aligned with a superstar who's on his level..He wasn't aligned with 4 chronic jobbers who needed a boost.
What was Chavo doing before La Familia? Suspended. The NIGHT he joined up with Edge, he became ECW Champion...DEFEATING CM Punk..I thought I was gonna pass out.. Don't get me wrong, I love Chavo...I loved Los Guerreros, and Chavo as a heel is awesome...But aligning him with the World Heavyweight Champion, making him ECW Champion, and putting him at the forefront of ANY brand, even ECW? That just reeks of stupidity. Chavo, at best, should be where he's at on NOC, fighting for the U.S. Title... Not being the ECW Champion.
What were Hawkins and Ryder doing?Oh thats right..They were the MAJOR BROTHERS...A Tag team who was jobbing to Duece and Domino every week and had a reputation for letting the success of making it to the WWE go to their head..SO MANY other tandems coulda been used here.. Miz/Morrison for one, Cade/Murdoch when they were a team, Burke/Benjamin, or Haas/Benjamin, All of those teams have more charisma in one finger than the Majors have in their whole bodies. And noone knows or cares who Bam Neeley is. He looks like a bouncer to me.
In short, Triple H and Batista SHOULD have cleaned house.. And i'd rather have HHH as Champion than Cena.. The last time Cena was Champion, he held the title for 11 months, something Triple H i dont think has even done...And, had he not been injured, was set up to hold it another TWO or THREE MONTHS, maybe even to Wrestlemania against Triple H. So I say, the injury was a blessing..His matches against JBL were his only non main event matches in the last year. Triple H hasn't been Champion in 3 years...The MOMENT he wins the Title everyone bitches...What'd you expect?Did you want him to go without the Title until he retired?Seriously, gimme a break. You don't want Triple H as Champion because he's close to breaking Ric Flair's record..Well guess what?Ric Flair HANDPICKED Triple H to carry the torch.. Flair has said for years if anyone breaks his record, he wants it to be Triple H. That's better than someone like Hogan breaking it, who Flair hates.. Ric actually handpicked Triple H and HHH has molded his career after the Nature Boy, even before Evolution.
They built last Smackdown up as Triple H's debut on SD...If he hadn't helped Batista fend off La Familia after what happened to start the show, that whole build up would've been wasted.
What was Chavo doing before La Familia? Suspended. The NIGHT he joined up with Edge, he became ECW Champion...DEFEATING CM Punk..I thought I was gonna pass out.. Don't get me wrong, I love Chavo...I loved Los Guerreros, and Chavo as a heel is awesome...But aligning him with the World Heavyweight Champion, making him ECW Champion, and putting him at the forefront of ANY brand, even ECW? That just reeks of stupidity. Chavo, at best, should be where he's at on NOC, fighting for the U.S. Title... Not being the ECW Champion.
What were Hawkins and Ryder doing?Oh thats right..They were the MAJOR BROTHERS...A Tag team who was jobbing to Duece and Domino every week and had a reputation for letting the success of making it to the WWE go to their head..SO MANY other tandems coulda been used here.. Miz/Morrison for one, Cade/Murdoch when they were a team, Burke/Benjamin, or Haas/Benjamin, All of those teams have more charisma in one finger than the Majors have in their whole bodies. And noone knows or cares who Bam Neeley is. He looks like a bouncer to me.
In short, Triple H and Batista SHOULD have cleaned house.. And i'd rather have HHH as Champion than Cena.. The last time Cena was Champion, he held the title for 11 months, something Triple H i dont think has even done...And, had he not been injured, was set up to hold it another TWO or THREE MONTHS, maybe even to Wrestlemania against Triple H. So I say, the injury was a blessing..His matches against JBL were his only non main event matches in the last year. Triple H hasn't been Champion in 3 years...The MOMENT he wins the Title everyone bitches...What'd you expect?Did you want him to go without the Title until he retired?Seriously, gimme a break. You don't want Triple H as Champion because he's close to breaking Ric Flair's record..Well guess what?Ric Flair HANDPICKED Triple H to carry the torch.. Flair has said for years if anyone breaks his record, he wants it to be Triple H. That's better than someone like Hogan breaking it, who Flair hates.. Ric actually handpicked Triple H and HHH has molded his career after the Nature Boy, even before Evolution.
They built last Smackdown up as Triple H's debut on SD...If he hadn't helped Batista fend off La Familia after what happened to start the show, that whole build up would've been wasted.
I don't recall disagreeing with the segment, but with the points made in the post that I quoted.
therealbrandonhoward
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Here's the thing folks: If anyone thought this WWE draft made any sense at all is crazy. You're heading into a pay-per-view and instead of focusing on the storylines and titles at 'The Night of Champions" PPV, the WWE decides to have a DRAFT?!? You kidding me?
And on top of everything else, you put Kane on SD!, Matt Hardy on ECW, HHH on SD!, and they both have TITLE DEFENSES at the PPV. Seriously, the Draft should have happened AFTER the Night of Champions. Build on new stories and angles after the PPV, not before the PPV. Right now, all we have is a mess.
As far as the Draft itself goes...sending HHH to SD! was the best thing to do. HHH is the biggest name right now as far as the 18-34 demographic. Cena would have been good if you're making a kids wrestling show. I see HHH and Edge feuding and that will be a fresh story at least. Rey Mysterio on Raw is good, CM Punk to Raw had to happen. Now he can focus on his MITB. He did win that match at Wrestlemania. I almost forgot he did. I just don't see how Kennedy will be successful on SD! He'll be stuck at mid-card status. Maybe a feud with MVP or something.
Fact is, like him or not, HHH is talented and even if he wasn't married to the boss' daughter, he'd be a top tier wrestler. I can't stand some of the politics that have taken place, but business is business. Remember when Shawn Michaels ran the show during the late 90's attitude era? And when DX was brought back, who seemed in control of things? HHH. Why? Because HHH has the stroke. Back in the day, it was HBK with all the stroke. Now, they're side by side. Either way, the HHH/Edge storyline build could be good for SD! and good for the WWE. If this company doesn't start doing something fresh, they're going to lose a lot of viewers.
And on top of everything else, you put Kane on SD!, Matt Hardy on ECW, HHH on SD!, and they both have TITLE DEFENSES at the PPV. Seriously, the Draft should have happened AFTER the Night of Champions. Build on new stories and angles after the PPV, not before the PPV. Right now, all we have is a mess.
As far as the Draft itself goes...sending HHH to SD! was the best thing to do. HHH is the biggest name right now as far as the 18-34 demographic. Cena would have been good if you're making a kids wrestling show. I see HHH and Edge feuding and that will be a fresh story at least. Rey Mysterio on Raw is good, CM Punk to Raw had to happen. Now he can focus on his MITB. He did win that match at Wrestlemania. I almost forgot he did. I just don't see how Kennedy will be successful on SD! He'll be stuck at mid-card status. Maybe a feud with MVP or something.
Fact is, like him or not, HHH is talented and even if he wasn't married to the boss' daughter, he'd be a top tier wrestler. I can't stand some of the politics that have taken place, but business is business. Remember when Shawn Michaels ran the show during the late 90's attitude era? And when DX was brought back, who seemed in control of things? HHH. Why? Because HHH has the stroke. Back in the day, it was HBK with all the stroke. Now, they're side by side. Either way, the HHH/Edge storyline build could be good for SD! and good for the WWE. If this company doesn't start doing something fresh, they're going to lose a lot of viewers.
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It's not about looking better..Hardy isn't Stronger than HHH..He's not stronger than anyone..It's about winning..That's what he did.
ECW's roster consisted mostly of Superstars who didn't even deserve to be on Raw much less in the main event..You think they woulda wrestled the SD Roster?No, why? Because the ECW Roster is the OVW of WWE..End of story. Randy Orton constantly got the upperhand on both HHH and Cena during their feud. RKO after RKO. Orton looked stronger in his feud with HHH and Cena than he did his entire career with the exception of his feud with Undertaker.
No..I'm talkin about Raw week after week, when Rated RKO left DX laying..Or when they crippled Ric Flair then gave both Triple H AND Shawn Michaels one man conchairtos...The reason they won 5-0 was because, besides DX, their team had 3 guys in the midst of big pushes who Vince thought would be weakened if they lost.
No..I mean when, during the Vince McMahon/Triple H war, that Umaga defeated Triple H AND Shawn Michaels in consecutive weeks, cleanly, and without controversy.
Which makes it MORE impressive that he's lost 4 consecutive World Title matches at WM...For someone who "needs" the Title, that wouldn't make sense..Look at his overall WM record...It's really not that impressive either..Especially since The Undertaker, a man hardly ever criticized, is 16-0 at the same event.
Nobody liked Goldberg..Not just Triple H..Goldberg only got the Title because he had it put in his contract..One of those Hulk Hogan creative control decisions.
A Guy like Shelton Benjamin doesn't beat guys like Triple H or HBK or guys like that cleanly.. Triple H putting him over at all is impressive..And 3 times in a row.
Yeah Batista's size really put him in the Spotlight as D'Von's usher. And Randy Orton was in a pile of mediocrity on SD before Triple H PICKED Randy Orton to be in Evolution.. I defy anyone to tell me HHH had nothing to do with it and Orton would be where he is now without Evolution.
Joe and Lethal don't draw?That's funny..Because apparantly neither does Kurt Angle. Their ratings havn't taken any dramatic jump since Angle came aboard.. If Angle wanted to do what's best for TNA, he woulda lost to Joe in the beginning and let someoneelse break his streak..And, eventhough Angle/Joe wasn't for the World Title, it got top billing and top promotion..Why?Because he's Kurt Angle and wants to be TNA's Austin and HHH.
It's not a reworking, it's a Stable with 5 guys who don't belong NEAR the main event picture, and Edge..Edge doesn't have the power to raise their status to being main players..He can't do for them what HHH did for Evolution. Edge isn't Triple H, or the Rock, or even Kurt Angle(who elevated Haas and Benjamin)...He's Edge and he's not a "leader"..He's a follower..Rated RKO was more focus on Orton than Edge until they split up. If Edge wanted to lead a stable, WWE picked 5 of the worst guys to have him lead.
People who bash Triple H to no end are just biased and blame him cause it's easier to blame the one person who's married into the owners family than it is to blame anyone else
Blame him for what? For burying people? London and Kendrick shouldn't have gone down so easily. *****es.
Lord Maniax
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You also have to realize that "Edge" has the M.O. of taking wing when ANYONE surprises him. He beats feet and lets the lackies take the beatings for him. If he is not back jumping someone he runs at the first sign of resistance. It is the M.O. for almost ANY heel in the compnay... I think the only one that I saw that wasn't a useless twit was the "Deadman" when he turned heel... (I don't count "Stone Cold" because he never really did a complete heel turn... he was just and asshole all the time.)
You will have to get used to it... When the guys are "faces" they have the "hulking up"... Or I guess you could call it "Cenaing up" now... but when they do a heel turn they also turn chicken shit... OR become a useless tit... It happened to all the big name guys..
You will have to get used to it... When the guys are "faces" they have the "hulking up"... Or I guess you could call it "Cenaing up" now... but when they do a heel turn they also turn chicken shit... OR become a useless tit... It happened to all the big name guys..
Papa Shango
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Whoa, wait a minute. Edge recruited Orton for Team Rated RKO. I like both guys, but Edge outshined Orton every night.
And how is Edge a follower? Who has he ever followed? He's aligned with people, yeah, but he's always been either equal to or superior to those he pairs himself with.
The fact remains that it doesn't matter which five guys is it, if it's not the JOB squad, they should not be getting their asses handed to them, especially when one is the World Champion and another is No. 1 Contender to the US Championship. Triple H could have come to Batista's rescue, that I don't care about. What I care about is that he decimated what's supposed to be the upper echelon on SD! HHH could have come out with a sledgehammer, scared them away (because the ARE cowards) and thereby saved Batista. Instead, they wasted a physical confrontation, one that could have been built up to over the next couple of weeks, and the World Heavyweight Champion was embarrassed TWICE in one night by the same two guys.
And how is Edge a follower? Who has he ever followed? He's aligned with people, yeah, but he's always been either equal to or superior to those he pairs himself with.
The fact remains that it doesn't matter which five guys is it, if it's not the JOB squad, they should not be getting their asses handed to them, especially when one is the World Champion and another is No. 1 Contender to the US Championship. Triple H could have come to Batista's rescue, that I don't care about. What I care about is that he decimated what's supposed to be the upper echelon on SD! HHH could have come out with a sledgehammer, scared them away (because the ARE cowards) and thereby saved Batista. Instead, they wasted a physical confrontation, one that could have been built up to over the next couple of weeks, and the World Heavyweight Champion was embarrassed TWICE in one night by the same two guys.
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Edge was embarrassed twice in one night..That's a refreshing concept considering it's always EDGE embarrassing his counterparts since coming to Smackdown..Look at it..Batista, Undertaker, Rey Mysterio.. Yeah they'd get the advantage one week, then get their asses handed to them the next two or three..Edge hasn't been made to look "weak" that often since he CAME to Smackdown... Even THE UNDERTAKER often took a backseat most weeks during his feud with Edge.. So Triple H comes over and ONCE, Edge doesn't get the advantage.. Big whoop. It's about time.
As for Edge recruiting Randy Orton? Yeah..That's true..But during most of that feud, what did you keep hearing?The history between Orton and HHH..That was the build up around the feud.. And during the DX/RKO feuds, most of the time it was Randy Orton vs Triple H one on one matches..Not Edge vs HBK.
Edge shouldn't get the upperhand everyweek...Edge and his band of jobbers even got one over on Batista just LAST WEEK..Batista has to atleast Look like he stands a chance at Night of Champions..So Batista helping Triple H made sense aswell.
As for Edge recruiting Randy Orton? Yeah..That's true..But during most of that feud, what did you keep hearing?The history between Orton and HHH..That was the build up around the feud.. And during the DX/RKO feuds, most of the time it was Randy Orton vs Triple H one on one matches..Not Edge vs HBK.
Edge shouldn't get the upperhand everyweek...Edge and his band of jobbers even got one over on Batista just LAST WEEK..Batista has to atleast Look like he stands a chance at Night of Champions..So Batista helping Triple H made sense aswell.
Papa Shango
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Except that Umaga kicked Batista's ass. Sure, Batista was the one standing in the end, but I don't see a DQ victory, an ass-whipping by Umaga and La Familia, then Batista Bombing one of the Edge-heads is supposed to give Batista much momentum going into NOC.
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Agreed... But my point is that Edge gets the upperhand and is left standing week after week.. It's about time Edge is actually made to look inferior one week.. How is anyone supposed to think Edge can actually lose the Title if he's standing over his opponet every week? Although I still believe Edge will lose his title instead of Triple H.
Papa Shango
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JBL was a cowardly heel who dominated SD! for nearly a year. He beat all comers, one way or the other. And the crowd hated him for it. Which was why when an already popular mid-carder in Cena, went up against JBL, most won't admit to this now, but back then, the crowd chose Cena to be their guy. That is what Edge could do for someone like Jeff Hardy or MRRRRRRRRR... KENNEDYYYYYYYYY... KENNEDYYYYYY!!! The best way to get a face over is putting them up against an unbeatable heel. IF Edge were to hold onto the title until WM, the man who beats him will be completely accepted by the crowds, and we would have out next Megastar. But HHH wants to be the star, so he's gonna monopolize the title scene. So, come WM, we'll either have HHH vs. Edge, which is a WM-quality match-up, I will admit, OR we'll have HHH vs. a young guy. Even if HHH "does the job", he's a face, the crowd is always split in a Face vs. Face match, and that young guy, whether it's Jeff Hardy, Ken Kennedy, maybe even CM Punk, their win will not have that monumental impact it could have had.
Gifted Music
Occasional Pre-Show
Yeah...But most circles also consider the JBL/Cena feud a failure...It propelled Cena but the feud never really took off...In my opinion, Edge doesn't really have the ability to do what JBL did...The role you're talking about for Edge would be better suited for Triple H, Shawn Michaels, or even Batista(who's rumored to be turning heel), or Randy Orton... Noone's gonna buy in to an Edge/Jeff Hardy feud..I'd love to see it, but noone's gonna buy that at Wrestlemania...Edge/Mr.Kennedy's better but still not believable. CM Punk isn't ready and won't be ready by WM imo...Triple H put over John Cena and Batista at WM.. JBL put over Cena... I don't think anyone beating Edge would really catapult them to anything. Jeff Hardy or Mr.Kennedy defeating Triple H would mean instant stardom..I don't think Edge has that stature because his World Title reign hasn't been deemed real impressive thus far. Just my opinion.