[Official] "How DARE Triple H Lay His Dirty Hands On Edge" Thread

[TheOneBigWill]

The only difference between Cena and Triple H is, and it'll get bashed, is Cena is still good to watch in the ring, and not so gimmick match dependent. John Cena is 31 years old, and has only been in the main event scene for 3 years.

Short of injury ending his career, I don't see John Cena losing his Main Event spot anytime soon. But the thing that should be noted is if he did.. and it wasn't from injury, then its because he didn't do enough to revamp his character.

Triple H. has been the same guy more or less from 1999 on.. but hes added little things here and there to revamp himself, without changing. "The Game" then "The Cerebral Assassin" then "The King of Kings."

Hes changed gimmick roughly once every 3+ years to refresh himself a little, yet stay the same. Cena hasn't really done that.. and definately needs a refreshing.. now.

Triple H is pushing 40 and has been in the main event scene for nine years. It's nauseatingly long. Hogans original run in the WWE was at that length, Triple H is already there and simply shows no sign of giving up his spot at the top, that's the problem.

But within that, did this many people complain about Hulk Hogan being in the Main Event? I mean, I likely did.. but I dispise Hulk Hogan. Still, Triple H. is getting unneeded/undeserved heat, all because he (in his personal life) married into the company.

Thats no more his fault, then Stephanie's for falling in love with him. So unless you can blame Stephanie for not picking someone better, then H.H.H. marrying her isn't really some "master plan" that all the bashers think it is.

 

[Mighty NorCal]

Just biased aggravates the shit outta me. People being over dramatic and flipping over every last little interaction the man has pisses me off. Makes me further flippant in defending him.

 

[Uncle Sam]

Funny, that Hardy got a fluke win by roll up wasnt good enough, but he "went over" Orton at No Mercy....by roll up....and then lost later...

Huh? That makes no sense.

 

[Uncle Sam]

Just biased aggravates the shit outta me. People being over dramatic and flipping over every last little interaction the man has pisses me off. Makes me further flippant in defending him.

I've stated mostly facts though, and have backed up my opinion with facts.

 

[justinsayne]

Huh? That makes no sense.

Yes it does, he's saying when Hardy beat Trips with a 'fluke' roll up it wasn't good enough, but when Trips beats Orton with the same shit, people throw a flip shit and bash the hell outta the man

 

[RBH]

I thought it was perfectly normal in that scenario to have Trips come out and clear the ring to help his kayfabe Buddy Batista.....no one would have bitched if someone like Rock or Austin a couple years ago would have done but because its Trips....ppl assume he's being a control freak again. Face it guys Trips is gonna be in the maon event until he can no longer work main events. He will (and I am not joking) will eventually learn to put ppl over on a more daily basis and putting ppl over does not mean just losing matches...I mean making the opponent look good. Besides Sam I thought you only watch TNA? (as per your thread the other day titled "I don't watch WWE")

 

[Uncle Sam]

I don't. I watched it on the internet after Jake mentioned it. And the point is no longer that Trips cleared the ring, it's that that's a sign of things to come, particularly when you look back at the past.

Call me dramatic then, totally disprove my argument.

 

[Shocky]

See but I would make the argument that the King of Kings, Cerebral Assassin, and the Game are the same character, just a new name. That's why I think he is stale, because he's essentially the same guy. John Cena has at least changed, for better or worse, from the Dr. of Thuganomics to the Soldier Boy he is now. That was more dramatic of a gimmick change then anything Triple H has done.

Now the Undertaker, theres a guy that has changed his character to stay up on the times. The times the Undertaker has changed have been very very dramatic.

And as far as Hogan goes, Hogan was the biggest draw in history, it's hard not to see that. Triple H isn't in the same league, hell no one is. Even if Steve Austin were still wrestling, people would have been fed up with him at this point.

I've said it before about Triple H being married Stephzilla. Sure, Stephanie or Vince may not directly get involved with the pushing of Triple H, but Stephzilla is in charge of Creative. It's hard for me to imagine a writer, which gets bashed routinely by the McMahons to begin with, coming up and saying, "Hey Steph, I have this great idea to get Londrick back over, how about they beat up on Triple H". For some reason, I just don't see too many ideas being floated around that involve Triple H on the short end of the stick. Again, the McMahons may not be pushing him, but indirectly he is probably benefiting from it, because none of the writers want to be that guy.

 

[Shocky]

Yes it does, he's saying when Hardy beat Trips with a 'fluke' roll up it wasn't good enough, but when Trips beats Orton with the same shit, people throw a flip shit and bash the hell outta the man

And the argument is still there, when was the last time Triple H laid on his back to put someone over. Did he ever get beat by an RKO? Did he lay on his back and let Jeff Hardy climb to the top rope and hit the Swanton? Those are the arguments people are making, and they are pretty damn valid.

Again, Triple H didn't put Jeff Hardy over, people throw that term out so much and don't realize what it is. Triple H went out and did a job for Jeff Hardy. Shawn Michaels went out and put Jeff Hardy over a month later on Raw.

 

[Papa Shango]

I highly and completely agree. Thats exactly why I can not for the life of me accept or stand John Cena being in the Main Event.

John Cena, from 2005-2007 (almost two full years of being Champion) doubled anything Triple H. has ever done in the Main Event. The closest I could remember Triple H. having anything to do with the Championship that long, was from Sept. 2002 until Mar. 2004. (minus a month reign from H.B.K., and a couple month reign from Goldberg -- whom H.H.H. both put over to better them at the time.)

Whereas Cena was from Mar. 2004 straight through until injury stopped in in October of 2007. (minus a 3 week reign by Edge, that Cena completely made look idiotic.. and a couple week reign by R.V.D., followed by Edge, in which Cena defeated the man in his own match, in his own hometown.)

Believe me when I tell you.. John Cena, is just as, if not worse.. than Triple H.

EDIT: By the way, yes.. Triple H. defeated H.B.K. a month later.. but with reasoning, unlike the 3 week later domination of Edge by Cena. And H.H.H. defeated Goldberg and Kane in a 3-way, but I don't believe he actually beat Goldberg, still helping him look unbeatable. Whereas Cena completely dominated Edge (again) in his hometown, in his own style of match that Cena had never done before.

Cena was still just a mid-carder in 2004. He won the WWE in April 2005. But yeah, two-and-a-half years is still a long time.

Then again, Hulk Hogan was on the top of the WWE for nearly ten years... then Bret Hart was the top dog for about three years... then HBK was about two years... then Steve Austin was the top guy for five years... then Triple H for about two years... then Cena... and now... Triple H again?! Why is it that of all the great competitors in the history of WWE, TRIPLE H, of all people, is getting TWO chances to be the top dog, THE GUY that gets to represent the face of the WWE?

The easiest answer... is nepotism. He's the boss' son-in-law. He sits in on creative meetings. That is conflict of interest. He is in a position that very men ever find themselves in. And ALL of the men who have found themselves in such a position, have to suffer the repercussions. Kevin Nash as a booker, Vince McMahon giving himself championships, Hulk Hogan's creative control. Jeff Jarrett as Vice President of TNA. They all suffered from major fan backlash.

Cena suffered backlash for reaching the top without "paying his dues". The guy worked his ass off in the gym, in the ring. He was given his push because he made the company money, a lot of money, more money than anyone else in the company. What was Triple H's reason for reaching the top. Yeah, he spent most of his younger years working his ass off. And it helped him reach the top. Then he married the boss' daughter. And then, while all his contemporaries started to retire or pushed down the card a little, HHH stayed at the top. And he stayed for a long time. A very... long... time. Cena's been to the top of the mountain because of how hard he worked. And he still works hard. For Christ's sake, he filmed a movie AND appeared on RAW weekly. He still does house shows. Unless he's champion or doing a DX reunion, Triple H does not work house shows. He doesn't have to try in order to get what he wants. All he has to do is walk three houses over and discuss it with Vince over dinner. THAT'S why HHH sucks. He is completely disingenious.

 

[Uncle Sam]

Agreed. You can't differentiate between those names, I hate when people point to that to says he's difference; it's the same guy pretty much exactly. Triple H thinks he's invulnerable to the times changing and can be a superface, which is why I've been calling him a Stone Cold wannabe.

 

[Mighty NorCal]

LOL HE DOESNT HAVE TO TRY?? ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME???

all the street fights, the cell matches..the injuries...if ANYTHING he has to try 10 times harder just to put to rest bullshit like what was just said.

coming back from TWO quad injuries that would normally end a carreer doesnt require hard work then I guess. Fucking ridiculous. Czena sux

 

[Shocky]

LOL HE DOESNT HAVE TO TRY?? ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME???

all the street fights, the cell matches..the injuries...if ANYTHING he has to try 10 times harder just to put to rest bullshit like what was just said.

coming back from TWO quad injuries that would normally end a carreer doesnt require hard work then I guess. Fucking ridiculous. Czena sux

But that's what people argue against Triple H norcal. A true superstar doesn't hide behind countless gimmick matches. Gimmick matches should be used to end a feud, and only if that feud was worth it to begin with. They shouldn't be used routinely to try and drag a feud out. Granted, I will give you that the times have changed with monthly pay per views, but I still think you are going to have a hard time finding anyone in any company involved in as many gimmick matches as Triple H. It's a fair argument to make that is he involved in so many gimmick matches because he loves the business, or is that the only way he can remain relevant?

Triple H is ultra tough for coming back from two quad injuries. If anyone doubts his toughness, they are a fool.

 

[Papa Shango]

I don't. I watched it on the internet after Jake mentioned it. And the point is no longer that Trips cleared the ring, it's that that's a sign of things to come, particularly when you look back at the past.

Call me dramatic then, totally disprove my argument.

Exactly. I would love to try to think that SD! could be building up great new stars. But HHH doesn't do that. Sure, he'll share the limelight a little, as long as he still has more.

Every time HHH does a job for someone, its almost guaranteed that that person will have to do a job for HHH somewhere down the road. Jeff Hardy got Pedigreed onto a chair two months after rolling up HHH. Once Goldberg lost the title, he never got a chance to win it back. Orton beat HHH once, in a last man standing match. Never got a pin, never got a submission. In return, he had to do the job to HHH at Backlash, Judgement Day, and One Night Stand... in a LAST MAN STANDING MATCH. Cena beat HHH at WM22. We all know that there was supposed to be a rematch at WM23. It's pretty much assumed that this was because HHH as supposed to get his "favor" returned. So now, depsite the fact that best interests would probably have Cena beating HHH again, we will most likely see HHH beat Cena on Sunday.

The only man, the ONLY one, to have never been made to like HHH's equal, is Batista. And I assure you, if HHH and Batista ever end up on the same brand again, eventually, Batista will have to job to HHH.

There are five guys in the WWE who are booked, so that even when they lose, they do not look weak; those men are HHH, The Undertaker, John Cena, Batista and Shawn Michaels. Even HBK and Cena have taken some losses recently. HBK, Cena, and Batista are all on Raw now. The Undertaker is out. HHH is the only man on Smackdown who creative is told to look good at all costs. Which means, instead of building up guys like Umaga, MVP, Jeff Hardy, and MRRRRRRRRRRR KENNEDYYYYYYYYYY... KENNEDYYYYYYYY!!!, we will instead see Triple H vs. Edge until either The Undertaker comes back to SD!, or Triple H goes back to RAW, or both. Now, an Edge vs. Triple H fued would be great for WM. I wouldn't even mind Triple H beating Edge at WM. I've always been a proponent of the face going over at WM. It's blantantly obvious, however, that this fued will start immediately, and no matter which is the champ, and which is the challenger, Triple H will always be booked over Edge. And, should Edge win, Triple H will get rematch after rematch, until he gets ONE win over Edge, and then for some reason, that will make every victory Edge has accumulated over HHH will be deemed insignificant.

 

[Mighty NorCal]

Oh I wont attempt to sit here and dispute that. Of course he clutches to gimmick matches. YOU tear two quads and put on 50 pounds of muscle and see if you are out there doing spinning wheel kicks. For someone in his "position" he sure as fuck doesnt NEED to do all that brutal shit. And I was more reacting to Shango talking about how Cena works SOOO hard, but apparently Trips doesnt. If there is ANYTHING that everyone would have to admit is a positive about the guy, its that he works hard as fuck.

 

[Mighty NorCal]

Exactly. I would love to try to think that SD! could be building up great new stars. But HHH doesn't do that. Sure, he'll share the limelight a little, as long as he still has more.

Every time HHH does a job for someone, its almost guaranteed that that person will have to do a job for HHH somewhere down the road. Jeff Hardy got Pedigreed onto a chair two months after rolling up HHH. Once Goldberg lost the title, he never got a chance to win it back. Orton beat HHH once, in a last man standing match. Never got a pin, never got a submission. In return, he had to do the job to HHH at Backlash, Judgement Day, and One Night Stand... in a LAST MAN STANDING MATCH. Cena beat HHH at WM22. We all know that there was supposed to be a rematch at WM23. It's pretty much assumed that this was because HHH as supposed to get his "favor" returned. So now, depsite the fact that best interests would probably have Cena beating HHH again, we will most likely see HHH beat Cena on Sunday.

The only man, the ONLY one, to have never been made to like HHH's equal, is Batista. And I assure you, if HHH and Batista ever end up on the same brand again, eventually, Batista will have to job to HHH.

There are five guys in the WWE who are booked, so that even when they lose, they do not look weak; those men are HHH, The Undertaker, John Cena, Batista and Shawn Michaels. Even HBK and Cena have taken some losses recently. HBK, Cena, and Batista are all on Raw now. The Undertaker is out. HHH is the only man on Smackdown who creative is told to look good at all costs. Which means, instead of building up guys like Umaga, MVP, Jeff Hardy, and MRRRRRRRRRRR KENNEDYYYYYYYYYY... KENNEDYYYYYYYY!!!, we will instead see Triple H vs. Edge until either The Undertaker comes back to SD!, or Triple H goes back to RAW, or both. Now, an Edge vs. Triple H fued would be great for WM. I wouldn't even mind Triple H beating Edge at WM. I've always been a proponent of the face going over at WM. It's blantantly obvious, however, that this fued will start immediately, and no matter which is the champ, and which is the challenger, Triple H will always be booked over Edge. And, should Edge win, Triple H will get rematch after rematch, until he gets ONE win over Edge, and then for some reason, that will make every victory Edge has accumulated over HHH will be deemed insignificant.

What in the fuck?? were are you getting this from?? He tapped to Cena. End of. At Wrestle fucking mania. You can say all you want that he was "supposed to return the favore at wm 25" but no one knows that for sure. Who the fuck confirmed THAT?? Vince?? Trips?? Cena?? fuck no.

 

[Shocky]

Agreed. Anyone that bashed Triple H's passion or intelligence for the business is a fool. His conditioning is second to none, maybe John Cena hahaha, anyways...

As I said in the SDLD, it's a clean slate for Triple H at this point. He wants the feud with Edge, and I want to see it. It's a new show, and a new opportunity, and as I've said, a fresh Triple H can be a damn good wreslter.

 

[Mighty NorCal]

Agreed. Anyone that bashed Triple H's passion or intelligence for the business is a fool. His conditioning is second to none, maybe John Cena hahaha, anyways...

As I said in the SDLD, it's a clean slate for Triple H at this point. He wants the feud with Edge, and I want to see it. It's a new show, and a new opportunity, and as I've said, a fresh Triple H can be a damn good wreslter.

And when the top face (er 1a to Cena) in the fed comes to town, he will generally clean house on the heel stable when he shows up. booking 101. fairly simple. If anyone didnt see Batista and Trips cleaning house on the familia at the end of the show, they are fucking stupid.

 

[Shocky]

And when the top face (er 1a to Cena) in the fed comes to town, he will generally clean house on the heel stable when he shows up. booking 101. fairly simple. If anyone didnt see Batista and Trips cleaning house on the familia at the end of the show, they are fucking stupid.

I have never seen, nor heard of that situation you are talking about sir...

 

[RBH]

I don't. I watched it on the internet after Jake mentioned it. And the point is no longer that Trips cleared the ring, it's that that's a sign of things to come, particularly when you look back at the past.

Call me dramatic then, totally disprove my argument.

Meh like many have said it was only one night. If it happens every show until the next pay-per-view than I will agree with you but I don;t see how something that happened on one show could predict a sign of things to come. I mean Next week, they could have Triple-H get his ass kicked....who knows? (many of you will laugh at that) Remember last week before the draft who was left standing on top, it was not Cena or Trips, it was Jericho and Cade. He is not having his hand raised every week and he did not beat Jericho last week so thats why I don't see how he is dominating the shows like he used to. If he had a freaking unbeaten record in every show than I would agree but thats not the case. I say just wait to see what happens and then make arguments based on that.

 

[Papa Shango]

What in the fuck?? were are you getting this from?? He tapped to Cena. End of. At Wrestle fucking mania. You can say all you want that he was "supposed to return the favore at wm 25" but no one knows that for sure. Who the fuck confirmed THAT?? Vince?? Trips?? Cena?? fuck no.

Triple H said he was gonna have a rematch with Cena at WM 23. Vince loves having guys trade wins at Mania. Put two and two together.

 

[Mighty NorCal]

aka assumptions.

 

[Papa Shango]

An extremely safe assumption.

 

[justinsayne]

Triple H said he was gonna have a rematch with Cena at WM 23. Vince loves having guys trade wins at Mania. Put two and two together.

Doesn't mean Trips was gonna win, if that match were to take place, and the way things look right now doesn't look like Trips is gonna beat Cena tomorrow

 

[Mighty NorCal]

An extremely safe assumption.

according to someone who has an extremely biased opinion.