**Merged** Walkout, No Confidence & All Conspiracy Discussion (KEEP IT ALL IN HERE!!)

[LoudClearVoice]

Well this is very viable, in a few weeks theres apparently gonna be a reuniting of DX on Smackdown, i cant remeber when but i read it on WZ.

Probably DX vs. The Awesome Truth. Although, I guess it depends on how quickly they bring Miz and R-Truth back into the actual wrestling ring. Also, if HBK comes back will he actually wrestle? That's the real question.

 

[RD_21]

May not be THE MOST ignorant I have ever seen but it's dumb and infuriating imo.

I am mad that the big faces where not there. I know why they were not there, like someone said it was because it would have ruined the walk out angle, but that's exactly why I am pissed that they were not there.

This angle is dumb, there's not even chaos, there's Miz and R-Truth who are attacking people. Nexus did worst. Mark Henry who walked out is doing worst then them also as far as damage is concerned. When McMhaon was forming the corporate ministry to keep Austin down there was no walk out angle. And what about the dumb referee, don't they remember the evil D-X days with Hunter and Steph when HHH was attacking ref and they went on strike, that was a WAY more dangerous time to be a ref. I know in wrestling we are suppose to forget everything that happenned before sometime and sometime don't, but that's making me mad. The whole insulting the intelligence thing and I know it's my fault, but that's how I feel about it.

HHH should have told the ref, should have told Henry that he was doing more damage then Miz and Truth, Cena and Punk should have come out and back HHH up, Ryder and the other face should have not been *****es and enter the ring backing HHH up. The whole walking out angle is dumb because I don't believe it for one bit. If there was a vote, the fans would be more voices in the first place and everybody being *****es is just making me mad.

I know why the big faces where not there, but I was expecting them to show up after Lawler to wake everyone up.

 

[Poop Master Flex]

First off Punk is relevant, I don't know how much more you want with CM Punk if you don't think he is relevant.

Secondly it wouldn't make much sense as CM Punk initially would have been the obvious choice, him defeating Cena for the title and leaving the WWE is what caused Vince to resign in the first place so why would he be the mastermind. Even though Vince is the obvious choice its the choice that makes the most sense. The best way to go it to have Steph be the one in front and Vince behind her. Steph could go just say "I love you Hunter, but this is a McMahon built company and a McMahon should run it, not you", it would be that simple.

Vince left a little too easy and considering he built the company into what it is I have a hard time he would leave the company he built as easy as he did.

 

[SickJames]

Before you can figure out what happens next & who is the mastermind behind the conspiracy, you have to think about what Miz/R-Truth believe in.They believe that they aren't given enough television time, or enough championships.That's why a majority of the roster sided with them, because they are treated the same identical way.The divas, if you're not willing to be a ****e & sleep around, you don't get pushed, the superstars, if you don't make top 5 in merchandise sales on a monthly basis, you will job to Mark Henry, Randy Orton, & John Cena on a weekly basis, losing to them in less than 5 minutes.They all realize that, have known that for some time now, so that's where the "conspiracy" comes from.You wanna know who the mastermind behind the conspiracy is.Somebody who should have been where Cena & Orton are, but never actually got that opportunity, somebody who is a great wrestler, the best in the world himself.I'm not referring to CM Punk, but I'm referring to Chris Jericho.

The reason Chris Jericho formed this conspiracy plot is simple.Chris Jericho feels that Randy Orton wasn't properly punished that night when Randy Orton punted him in the skull.Randy Orton got "fined" when he did that to HHH & John Cena, but he didn't get "fined" after he was punted.Chris Jericho decided to "not return" due to the conspiracy.Chris Jericho always mentions on twitter about how he isn't returning to WWE, because of what they are becoming.They are becoming people who don't care about anybody under them, because they are scared those same people could become something bigger than them.That's why they say, "no one man is bigger than the company".True, no one man is bigger than the company, but certainly Chris Jericho could be bigger than HHH, Randy Orton, & John Cena, if he had been given the correct push.So, Chris Jericho got in "contact" with CM Punk over the summer, a man he felt reminded him of a younger version of himself, a man he believed would do what needed to be done, eliminate the conspiracy, Vince McMahon.Once CM Punk got blessed by Chris Jericho over the telephone, CM Punk got "arrogant" in what he wanted, forgetting the bigger picture, remove Vince.CM Punk started to look out for his own goals & intentions.Chris Jericho went to twitter, telling CM Punk to keep his name out of his mouth.Now that CM Punk has received what he asked for, CM Punk has now became more content, aligning himself with WWE(HHH, John Cena, Randy Orton).Feeling like all hope had disappeared in CM Punk, Chris Jericho got in "contact" with another friend of his, the Miz.The Miz is actually doing what Chris Jericho asked him to do, announce a conspiracy, even gaining some allies in the process.Chris Jericho has faith in Miz as of now, that Miz is completing the goals that need to be accomplished.I expect Chris Jericho to return at the Royal Rumble, costing CM Punk the victory in the Royal Rumble match, setting up Chris Jericho/CM Punk for Wrestlemania 28.

I'll say this

I wont rule that out, but at the same time I feel this storyline may be over by the end of the year unless they wish to finish it @ Mania, and I've already stated that Y2J is a definate RR return, so thats another reason I dont see it happening. His return in the Rumble and the first person he'd want vengeance on (no not returning there) wouldnt really matter conspiracy wise.

I think one reason why he wouldnt be involved on that end is he's already done something like this in WCW as he's talked of on twitter and was sick of ppl copying him.

He comes back different, not in the past, like Taker he always evolves and adapts


as for the person who spoke on Rock siding with HHH, you were fine as you posted, we can all expect something to that degree, I see more than The Rock. I see a bunch of stars from his time coming out and saying they give HHH a vote of confidence and they've been around longer for it to mean more. Foley is back, Rock is there, Austin and Taker could come back (just to back HHH not all be in a match)

 

[jsanders78]

Before I get banished for being negative (I've got a long day ahead of me and really need the humor that I expect to come out of this thread) - here me out. For the past few years, WWE has seemingly tried it's best at creating the next big angle - all of which have been a catastrophe for one reason or another. Countless unanswered "whodunit" angles, the mysterious Raw GM, and the most disappointing in my eyes, the Nexus angle. It had me so intrigued, finally a stable of guys - that made sense being in that stable - running around and kicking ass and being unstoppable and talking about a "greater purpose" that to this day has never been explained.

So we know it's possible for this angle to be screwed up - my question is how? IMO, I think one way was last night having EVERY SUPERSTAR walk out on HHH last night - and I'm not even talking about the superfaces that weren't out there as has been mentioned in another thread. It seemed like Lawler was going to be the guy based on what he said to Trips, but then it made no sense to have him turn around and walk out. In fact - I'm worried what it will do to his character. Or even have JR stay at the announce booth or get up and go to the ring with Trips and shake his hand. I know it's scripted, but you would think if this were real - there would be someone to show there support to Trips right?

So how else have they already or could they screw this angle up?

 

[mdj2010]

- Stephanie owning ECW
- Mae Young giving birth to a hand
- Katie Vick
- The entire WCW invasion
- Most of the crap that went on in the later years of WCW (Finger Poke)

Just some of the crap that was far more ignorant than this. It seems that some people watch wrestling just to point out what they would do better. Is there going to be a great, unimaginable pay-off at the end of it all? Probably not. But the fact remains that the last couple of weeks have kept wrestling fans guessing and that is always the best way to get people tuning in.

HHH isn't really running wild, it is just that he isn't controlling the WWE. Wrestlers are getting injured at the hands of Mark Henry, with no repurcussions. Referees and commentators are getting attacked. 'Fired' wrestlers are entering the buildng to make their claims against HHH and wrestlers are seking legal representation left and right.

At the end of the day, the 'conspiracy' within the WWE remains the same. Someone doesn't want HHH in charge and is doing all they can to end his reign as COO. I fail to see what is ignorant about this whole storyline at all.

 

[dude_d_dude]

I think the OP's choice of words isn't quite right, this isn't a BAD storyline per se.

Does it feel rushed? Maybe you could argue that, I mean HHH fought Punk a little too quickly if you ask me. But yeah that wouldn't be a bad point

Have some points have been better executed? Yeah, you could probably argue that too, I mean Nash sending a text to himself? Really? That's just one example, but it's a valid point nonetheless

So yeah, maybe WWE did their usual experimentation and it bit them in the ass at times, but hey, it's something different, it's unique, and everyone's talking about it. Why not just roll with it OP? It's not BAD, just not what you're used to.

 

[Hawk]

After all walking out on him last night, every Smackdown superstar is back at tonight's taping, as if it never happened. Cole, Booker and Josh then speculate how Triple H reacts next Monday on Raw.

 

[dude_d_dude]

I think things started to go downhill when Nash send himself that text.
How on earth does that make any sense? I mean yeah ok he "snuck in and stole his phone" but COME ON. It would've made more sense for Steph/Johnny Ace or someone to make them another heel to aid Nash. Nash should've actually been taking orders from someone who wasn't, you know, HIMSELF.
They could redeem themselves however if a REAL mastermind is revealed. Like if he returns and says "I WAS REALLY TAKING ORDERS FROM THIS PERSON" and brings out someone who explains how they were the real guy/girl behind everything. That actually wouldn't be that bad.

However they could make it really moronic and have Nash/Miz/Truth return and say they were following orders from someone ABSOLUTELY ridiculous like Y2J or Mick Foley or something idiotic like that.

So yeah, how they can screw it up is by bringing more people in who really have no business being there.

 

[Mustang Sally]

When John Laurinaitis picks up his cell phone after everyone leaves the room, aren't we supposed to presume he's calling Vince McMahon? Isn't it VKM's style to have his top lieutenants supply him with information in that covert fashion? That, coupled with rumors that he's coming back, combined with what happened last night makes me think the whole Triple H as COO program is going to run for a much shorter duration than we originally figured.

If that's so, I'm intrigued, yet a bit disappointed. I thought Paul Levesque's control of the company was going to have a longer run......and I especially thought it was to be more permanent in regards to a real-life transition from VKM to his daughter and son-in-law. Guess that day will have to wait. What I foresee is the possibility of a Triple H-VKM war with wrestlers lining up on either faction: sort of an NWO at the management level.

One thing stands out for me: Remember Kevin Costner's heyday in Hollywood, in which he had creative control over his characters and forced the producers and directors to cast him as an essentially perfect human being? He often stunted the production in order to have it ensured that his character be painted as flawless, (examples: "The Bodyguard" and "Waterworld").

When you consider that Paul Levesque is a major stockholder of the corporation and an heir-apparent of the company, I think it's admirable that he could leave himself vulnerable and helpless in the center of the ring last night. Yes, it's only make-believe, but so were Costner's movies.

Yet, here we saw Triple H, standing alone and proclaimed a public failure at his job, deserted by all those who relied on him before. I was surprised and pleased he would allow himself to be depicted this way, especially since he has the power to dictate otherwise.

Now, that's what I call doing what's best for the company.

 

[wushady]

I agree with deanerandterry it will most likely be Stephanie and Vince. I know the McMahon power struggle angle has been done to death. However this storyline has McMahon written all over it. Vince left way too easy, he's never just walked away he always gets he's revenge. It has the perfect soap opera storyline here. Of you took my daddy's job even though your my husband I'm on my daddy's side. They did just hire former soap writers to the creative team after all.

I don't see how anyone could think Punk is irrelevant the guy is over huge. He may be pushed back a little at the moment but it's just a matter of time before he's a major player. Him and Austin going back and forth bashing each other in the public eye will lead to something. Austin then says in an interview how great Punk that tells me that this might be the perfect time for one more match he's been talking about. With three of the major PPV's around the corner we'll soon see if it pans out. If it does it wouldn't make any sense him being the mastermind then facing the original anti authority figure in WWE. He would be going against HHH obviously if he's the mastermind.

 

[VinnieSunshine]

I think things started to go downhill when Nash send himself that text.
How on earth does that make any sense? I mean yeah ok he "snuck in and stole his phone" but COME ON. It would've made more sense for Steph/Johnny Ace or someone to make them another heel to aid Nash. Nash should've actually been taking orders from someone who wasn't, you know, HIMSELF.

Actually...for a dumb as it was, I thought it worked well. Why would Johnny Ace risk showing that it was him that pulled the strings. Johnny is has been shown to be buddy buddy with Nash, so it would only make sense for Him to tell Nash to go send the text and He'll take care of him when Triple H gets involved.

Remember, when Nash got "fired" we saw him leave in a limo with Ace.

This storyline will start Monday with Johnny Ace being in charge. Then its going to be all about how the prisoners are running the prison. Its kind of like the Joker leading a riot at Arkham Asylum and taking over as the warden.

 

[Jack-Hammer]

I will say that WWE has stumbled a bit here and there when it comes to this storyline. That tends to happen when you try something on such a large scale that takes time to play out.

From an overall perspective, I'm enjoying it because it does add a touch of reality to things. It's not bogged down with reality, but it adds enough to keep you guessing as to what's going to happen. One of the most common complaints I've heard about wrestling, or WWE in general, is that everything is so "predictable" or they just keep doing the same old thing and all this other tired yadda yadda arguments. Yet, when WWE tries to think outside the box and do something that is different or hasn't been seen in a VERY long time, they get the same amount of criticism. It's a huge reason of why major pro wrestling companies tend to ignore 95% of what the IWC has to say.

As far as the "law suits" go, it's mostly just heels threatening to sue and they're doing so mostly because they're dissatisfied with Triple H. It makes the heels look like cowardly lowlives. So...correct me if I'm wrong but isn't that what the vast majority of heels are supposed to be? I know that there's this near obsession that the IWC has with all heels being these super tough badasses that can eat lightning and crap thunder but it's just not feesible. It's not remotely feesible. Not every heel, the vast majority of them in fact, can't be Mark Henry for obvious reasons.

This is a long storyline that's going to take a while to ultimately conclude. Back in the IWC's precious glory days of their youth, wrestling angles & feuds would often last much of the year and WWE has gone back to that, at least to some degree, in 2011. We're ultimately going to have to keep tuning in to see what happens, to see what the next chapter in the storyline is. The heels are still being heels, they're just doing it a different way.

I don't see any big problem with this storyline. It's forcing fans to wait a while for the big payoffs, it's portraying wrestling personalities with a little more reality than we normally see and it might even force the wrestling fan to think a little bit. It might not be what fans are used to, but that certainly doesn't make it bad. As I aluded to earlier, the IWC consistently pisses and moans about how predictable wrestling has become and how its tired of the same old same old.

 

[closet_fan]

i am hoping it's a swerve and it's someone we don't expect.

i would hate to see it end up being mcmahon only because he is really one of the only suspects right now that they seem to be leaning towards.

and if vince was as upset with del rio's skit as they say he was, then it will be him, which will suck.

 

[NotoriousWWE]

I have a theory that the so called "Mastermind" of the conspiracy is someone such as Chris Jericho, Taker, HBK or even Nash. But then I thought of someone who would make so much more sense.... Paul Heyman. CM Punk claims to be "his guy" and all this 'chaos and anarchy' begun due to Punk's controversial title victory at Mitb. Would make perfect sense with Punk trying to make change.

 

[dahvoo]

The quickest way to screw up the angle: When the new heel persona/group is finally revealed, have him/them go up against an already established top star (for example, Cena), and have the already established top star ultimately beat them. Within a few pay-per-views.

Triple H did it after the Monday Night Wars ended, and Cena has been doing it for the last few years.

 

[The Champ]

Punk being behind it would be absolutely terrible and would destroy everything he's built up since the summer, along with turning him heel again for no good reason. His whole character is built on being honest and hating corporate suits. Manipulating them to their own advantage is the complete opposite of everything he's been saying since day one. Why would they do that to a guy who is primed to be a top face in the company for the foreseeable future? It doesn't make any kind of sense, and would be a classic example of the "swerve for the swerve."

I fully expect Vince to come out in a Ministry hoodie in a few weeks and shout, "IT WAS ME HUNTER! IT WAS ME ALL ALONG!!!!"

 

[JaylisJayP]

Something tells me they actually have a plan for where this is going this time. I think they're setting up sides for Survivor Series, and you'll maybe see the Rock and Austin come and support HHH? I don't know, maybe that's stretching...I'm just hoping it's bigger than splitting up teams for one PPV.

 

[VinnieSunshine]

Actually it isnt. Remember him letting Mason Ryan hit him?



When it comes to conspiracies, especially bigger ones, you have to sacrifice for the greater good especially when it helps your endgame


titles come and go like hot potato, he didnt need it, he could get it back but thats not his primary goal for the near future if indeed it is him.

but you do what's necessary especially if it does you good in more than one way like taking the attention off you as a suspect being that this would be unthought of for him to do to himself as you said


Remember Punk didnt have an issue with what Del Rio did when face or heel understanding or not if he truly cared he'd have been angry somewhat even, but Cena was more angry


Also let's not forget The Higher Power thing with Vince



Punk: IT WAS ME ALL ALONG HUNTER!!!!

The higher power turned out to be the DUMBEST ending to an otherwise good story.

Ok, he let Mason Ryan hit him. THATS ONE HIT. Why would Punk let Nash powerbomb him twice, kick him in the face, and get the hell beat out of him by Miz & Truth?????

CM Punk is NOT leading this faction...he is NOT aligned with Ace OR Nash. Vince is the one pulling the strings and unfortunately we are going to see a Vince vs Triple H power struggle.

 

[jsanders78]

That's a great point about rushing the matches and having Cena/Punk whoever go over so soon. I also couldn't help but think last night that maybe they rushed the no confidence thing. Perhaps that's something that could have started last night and carried us through the next PPV, each week someone else getting attacked/injured - leading to a vote after the next PPV.

 

["The Instant Classic"]

Please tell me I'm not the only one seeing this for what it is...

Let's look at the facts shall we?

Fact: March 12, 2010 NFL players lockout the 2011 season on the grounds of welfare of players and an anti-trust violation.

Fact: On Sunday September 11, 2011 the Cowboys v. Jets game had a viewership up 29% from 2009

Coincidence? I think not... when fans heard there was going to be an NFL lockout they were devastated, fearing they may not have something to watch this fall. After the lockout ended, every fan was excited to see the game again that viewership of all games are statistically up at a minimum of 3% from last year. What I'm getting at here is that I feel that WWE saw how a lack of football skyrocketed viewership and ratings and want to capitalize and do the same for their programming. With wrestlers banning together and "walking out" on the Cerebral C.O.O. is this building toward a lockout type storyline in an attempt to boost ratings at a time of year when they struggle?

Your thoughts?

 

[The Champ]

They're not going to have all the talent off screen for that long. If anything, it will likely just be until a new COO is appointed. They might be missing from SmackDown and maybe even next week's Raw, but this isn't going to be a thing that lasts for weeks at a time. WWE doesn't have the patience for that, as evidenced by how quickly they brought Cena and Punk back when they were storyline fired/left. Even Miz and Truth only stayed off WWE television for a week.

 

[SFC]

Let me just say I love the angle, I do. It's big, and it carries a lot of momentum.

One of the things that puzzled me was that the original vote of no confidence that started this whole angle was from the Board of Directors, axing Vince. If there was to be another vote, wouldn't it come from them?

Also, this time they said the vote would result in him having to resign or appointing someone new. Vince didn't have an option, he was just forced out.

A minor detail, but did bother me. I don't think they know the EXACT plan of action for Survivor Series yet and won't for about two or three weeks, but they're playing it on a weekly-basis, and it hasn't hurt yet.

I do agree with some of the posts above though. One way to ruin it is if Smackdown goes about everything is perfectly fine.

 

[owen8472]

here is alot of angles they could use!

1: they have kept the raw gm angle quiet last few months but have had the stand and computer out there most of the time/ I can see this angle coming forward now aka finding out who it is my thoughts its " HBK or Jericho or Taker or Austin it will be a big name or even Steph.

2: I can see a reform of DX but Shawn will not compete in a match. ending with HBK turning on HHH.

3: I do see OLD SCHOOL VS NEW SCHOOL at SS guesses would be HHH CENA ORTON SHAMUS Rock vs Alberto Miz Truth Cody Undertaker " undertaker on HEEL side because of all the stuff setting up maina taker vs HHH again

I can see next week having walk ons from NXT and FCW having matchs then HHH puts out if the other stars dont show up next week he will fire them all " for conduct detramental to the company and its assests and strip all the champs of the titles" this in return would bring either shane or step or vince back my guess is shane is who lerinitus is talking to.

 

[bigdaddyb673]

ponder this....McMahon is undermining HHH via John L. and he is the one who is being texted by John but in a spin John was undermining Vince all along when it becomes known that he in fact was the Anon Raw GM all along thus the ability to tie up loose ends on two angles and have a big blow off Team Trips vs Team McMahon vs Team John L.

ok, so thoughts ???