**Merged** Walkout, No Confidence & All Conspiracy Discussion (KEEP IT ALL IN HERE!!)

[QBall111]

My problem with this storyline is not only does it make the all the heels or actually everybody who stood ringside and that includes champs like Mark Henry and Del Rio look like pansies, this storyline is basically burying Triple H. I know this is not his real run of being in charge of the company as it will someday be, but this is his first run storyline wise which I always thought was a passing of the torch to him and it totally got messed up. If it was his second time or third time around and he was like RAW GM, and he lost control of the company then yes, do it, but he's considered COO which one day will be a real title for him, why screw it up by having him lose control. It's like anything, a teacher losing control of his/her classroom. You lose that control you never get it back, you are just ran over by the student's in the classroom until you quit or are forced out (kinda sounds familiar with this storyline)... If/When HHH get's this on-air position how will he gain that control back.

I also think there has got to be ALOT of storyline explaining today between now and Smackdown cause if there is vote of no confidence and they walk out. Someone has got to take charge or why even have a smackdown, your wrestlers basically went on strike and who is going to take charge to get them back on Friday.

 

[SickJames]

I thought about this too and there are a few ways it could go


1. And let's get this out of the way because it's not going to happen. You have HHH say "Okay, they all walked out, now let's just make new stars" and bring up the FCW's full roster of guys who arent on NXT and just have them wrestle next week only.

btw the more interesting thing is what happens Friday? because that would be where we get answers, not Raw, it has to be Smackdown! which will likely be where a new COO gets appointed or something. Bigshow has been promoted to return so it wont be a show full of recaps of everything that's transpired as there must be wrestling and Show coming back etc he'll be wrestling. So maybe they run one last SD! with HHH in charge or John takes over that night. I cant see Vince coming back on SD!



2. Triple H could always say, "If you guys dont have confidence in me, I know who does" and having said he's an old school guys he'll bring back old school stars big and small to wrestle on Raw & SD! until Vince comes back




3. Triple H either gets replaced or Vince returns and they make a deal that instead of just getting rid of Hunter they'll have a match at SS for the job (but then I could see Vince having a guy on Hunter's team screw him, and what if that guy was Cena and it all went back to my screwjob thread involving Ventura?)



anyway it can go more ways than that, but Smackdown! should be as much as interesting this Friday as Raw Monday.


I could even see the stars of WWE wrestling elsewhere in a vacant lot or high school gym as Triple H tries to get FCW talent on Raw and SD! before the network threatens him to remove himself


or maybe that simply happens, HHH removes himself for the better of the WWE and Vince calls him out on quitting and being a baby as he called those who would file a lawsuit against him tonight


I cant see that last one happening though due to SS


I still wouldnt mind seeing Shane come back in some way, even though he's got his own thing going on, he could come back for a short time, it'd be huge and I'm highly certain we havent seen the last of Shane in the WWE


I would however love to see Stephanie return and find it rather odd that she hasnt been seen since SummerSlam I believe it was, or whenever. I know she isnt usually on screen, but still for this story the people they keep off tv usually are important as seen in the pass and Vince got upset at the name mention of his even though they alluded to him tonight vaguely


I see Steph still potentially having a role in this in some form not the mastermind necessarily. I see an opening for her to come in and clean up because it is his wife and Vince daughter

though it would be funny after months of Punk saying "your wife runs the WWE right?" that she was behind it or trying to put down HHH over the fact that she and she alone should inherit the WWE because her last name is McMahon and she got Shane out of the way by being Vince's favorite and now she has to get her own husband out of the way as he's the only one that stood to gain the power thats rightfully hers, with Linda on campaign, Shane out of the picture she could potentially just want the throne for her own

despite being his wife, it's really her who should be in charge not HHH, the legacy isnt directly in his bloodline. I like twists, it'd be nice if it were more to it than Vince vs HHH and there was a side thing involved with it

 

[mrhexum]

I guess my mind was really thinking about the Immortal scene in TNA when I was watching that.. which I gotta to admit.. it was way too similar.. and of course.. the old NWO part..

I can understand that. So, maybe instead of calling it "ignorant" you could have said "repetitive"?

The "power struggle" angle is one of the oldest, most go to story lines in wrestling. In wrestling, just like any other form of ENTERTAINMENT there will always be comparisons and similarities.

I can see how you could be tired of the same old story line, but, this one has only gotten started my friend. Give it a chance, you never know.

 

[JeffroBroski]

replying to qball i have to disagree with that because jerry lawler made it clear that its not triple h its someone trying to sabotage triple h's COO run so i dont think he's getting buried

 

[QBall111]

I'd love to know who is sabotaging it. I don't want it to be Vince... I really don't. I'd love to see a family power struggle and unfortunately it probably won't happen but I'd love to see Shane come back one more time and him be the mastermind of everything, even declaring himself the mysterious RAW GM who disappeared from the scenes. I think it'd make sense why. The RAW GM wouldn't be announced cause it would 'change things,' what if Shane was running RAW and when Vince was pushed aside and HHH given the job Shane decided to sabotage RAW to prove his brother-in-law was not the right pick

 

[Jericho Hill]

I fucking LOVE this SL but I had one problem with it.

Mark Henry, I get why they didn't have Punk, Cena, and ect. come out. But Why would Mark Henry be opposed to what's happening. Nothing's happened to him, if anything the Chaos is what's making him stronger. As one of the old school guys I expected Henry to stand up and say that, that he was for the chaos and it was just the way he liked it. NO ONE believes Mark Henry is scared, NO ONE, dude's fucking scary atm. If nothing else they should've had him come in and say he wanted more.

Make it so people like him feel at home in all this. Don't make it so the biggest monster in your horror film looks like he's running away. Let Henry say that he loves it, and have King come in saying that Henry is part of the problem. That he doesn't feel safe when Henry can do anything he wants, and henry just saying 'MAN UP'.

 

[Pink Wolf]

Hear me out.

This angle with HHH and the wrestlers being upset all began with Punk. He wanted to be the catalyst for change. Its all fine and dandy. He was becoming a star. Now he barely gets promo time. Maybe that's part of his plan.

Maybe he is playing the corporate boy to throw everyone off. We all know Johnny Ace is a pawn. Vince is too obvious, and I don't want another Vince vs. HHH scenario. I personally don't know who else can be the mastermind.

I personally think this would be something unique...but would it make sense?
Is this a possibility, or am I desperately trying to find a way to make Punk relevant again?

 

[Jericho Hill]

actually I did lol, good point metalbass but I still think it's better for henry with the chaos than without it. I'm not saying that I'm right, it's just something that bugs me about it. I think a MONSTER like him would WANT that kind of surroundings but he does have a logical reason to be out there now. Ty for pointing that out.

 

[drk_knight]

CM Punk better get involved.
It would be a smart thing to do and alot more people would be interested.
I'm sick of HHH being the centre of attension the whole time. If it wasnt for Punk, this interesting storyline would'nt exist

 

[Jericho Hill]

It would make no sense, CM Punk's char is about being the best in the world, Heel or face, and he would've had to screw himself out of that title at SS. I don't think it's possible man. Now I do think Punk will be relevant again shortly, as he's going to be the savoir of the WWE in the long run imo. Even after all his bitching, I think punk will be the guy that turns this thing around and helps the WWE 'win' in the end.

 

[SickJames]

At survivor series team HHH (the rock,cena,punk,sheamus,orton) vs Team laurinaitus/vince (christian,nash,del rio,miz,truth) or whoever they put

Actually Del Rio wont be in, he's the champ

You have him face someone in a title bout


Nash, Miz, Truth and two more spots are open vs Rock, Cena, HHH, Punk and Taker [the WZ report said Taker or Austin, cant see Austin coming back for a tag bout over a singles bout but if they could get both Punk would likely fight Del Rio]

but because Christian, Cody, Ziggler, Swagger are all against H too including Otunga I could see them 5 being in a different match as there always is more than one 5 on 5 Traditional Survivor Series Elimination Tag Team Match. You need the Divas in one, and that's three, one all-star, midcard and Divas. Two major title bouts and a one on one non title bout maybe and you've got your card

you put those 5 guys against like Sheamus, Morrison, Kofi, Evan and [Ryder or Riley] I guarantee something like that happens

Hell I could see Show vs Henry vs Kane for the title and throwing Orton in the big match but they seem to not want to use him in that one from the story posted.


I could see a big star returning to be on the team of Nash and them guys though, like Batista or something, remember the way he went out, that wont be the last time we see him.

 

[metalbass]

actually I did lol, good point metalbass but I still think it's better for henry with the chaos than without it. I'm not saying that I'm right, it's just something that bugs me about it. I think a MONSTER like him would WANT that kind of surroundings but he does have a logical reason to be out there now. Ty for pointing that out.

I agree with that too. I think this is more of a play on today's society rather than just having monsters walk out on their COO. This seems to be a time where it feels everyone has to be 'politically correct' so to speak and that scene is a reflection of that. As times change so do the rules for better or for worse.

As for the OP, I have watched for the majority of the 80's until today and just like my previous paragraph, times do change for better or for worse. There were a lot of big lumbering oaf's in the 80's that couldn't wrestle their way out of a paper bag, and you were literally told who was going to win the match before hand "On tonight's program we will see Jake the Snake Roberts, Honky Tonk Man, Ravishing Rick Rude, Greg The Hammer Valentine, and our main event will feature King Kong Bundy!" They would face the likes of Barry Horriblewitz, The Brooklyn Brawler and some unknown faces. The quality of matches have improved since then, some of the 'storytelling' isn't as apparant in the ring but is more subtle and less hokey like Hulk Hogan. Also back in 77, wresling was more of an underground 'fad' so to speak and was way less mainstream. People either loved it or thought is was the devil's work and a poor excuse for an exhibition.

As for the storyline for the last 3 months, it has had very steep peaks and valleys but it does make me want to know and care about what is going to happen next, which means I'm looking forward to Raw next week despite it being kind of an awkward segment. This storyline is very risky territory, since if it flames out it will be extremely hard to reset the program and continue without skipping a beat. It has to play through now and I'm personally expecting a lot of CM Punk next week.

 

[123NewChamp]

Great Question.

None of us know how this is gonna turn out, but like the rest of yall guys, were expecting something big to come outta this. This the biggest storyline WWE had in a while. But to answer your question, I think the program gonna start with either John Laurinitus, or Vince McManhon, but I prefer McManhon, cause it seems just fitting since he's still the boss. Before the Raw Song, Pyro's and the announcers come on the air, address the situation that happened tonight, and to assure the fans that things are back in Order and Triple H been releived of his duties and the WWE will appoint a new COO and etc. Similar to how he publicly announced and addressed the death of Chris Benoit.

But if I can use my imagination and dream a little bit, I would like to tell u what I would like to see happen: Later on in the night, Triple H comes out and address the issue the previous week, and how no one has confidence in him, and he poses a challenge "for anyone who lacks confidence in him, come see him in the ring." And after a few minutes, the DX music hits, and Shawn Michaels or even The New Age Outlaws and X-Pac come out there, and tell Triple H, "that they beleive he's doing a great job, and that he's not there to please the people, and if they ain't down with that then they got 2 words for them." And then they can tell him, if no one got his back, then they got his back, and they be there for however need be. And from then on, 4 of the opposing superstars can come out there, question their logic and set up a big 8 man Tag Team Match later on for that main event. And then the next week, Cena, Orton, and whoever else can say their peace or have side feuds and side with Triple H and make it a WWE vs. Anti-WWE War like they been posting on here lately. And then leave the WWE team with s Mystery Partner, and let the Rock be the mystery partner. But all in all, I'm interested to see what happens next week.

 

[SickJames]

I thought about it that way too. Punk is almost in the same boat of Miz/Truth in having something against HHH, okay, but it's different. I have though thought about it and the one thing I like is CM Punk's would work... see he constantly called out that there was a conspiracy and if it ended up he was the mastermind it'd be the situation of pointing the finger at everyone else so it's never aimed at you, it's classic, it works

but I still think it could go other ways too, even looking at the lawsuits that's not coming out of HHH's wallet, I mean that his money is his wife's money and I think Steph will show up again and should and Punk kept bringing her up



Of course let's not forget weird things happened like the cell raising and lowering, and well thats could be The Anonymous Raw GM who is synonymous with mysteriousness

 

[HamSwissman]

I understand where you are coming from, and some friends and I were discussing this after the horrible HIAC PPV. I don't know if it makes sense, but at this point, I don't even care. This storyline has gone on to become nothing but a Triple H put-over fest and I can barely keep watching it. I see similarities with this and Punk's final run in ROH (even the leaving with the title thing). Punk basically used the emotion of the fans getting behind him to turn mega-heel. This could be similar to that, and as well could be like Rocky's Survivor Series shift from possible top babyface to top heel. Though I'd love to see Punk be the one behind it all, I fear it will not come to pass. Pre MITB through SummerSlam was some amazing product. Now we are back to the same old super-boring shit I loathed before.

 

[TheMainEvent]

I have a love/hate thing with this current storyline. For one I love the idea that we have an "umbrella" storyline that finally encompassing the entire roster to some capacity and allowing interweaving storylines. The Attitude/WCW did this great in their primes and really brought intriguing storylines and TV. The "cliffhanger" endings on Raw and the PPV have kept my interest mostly but there are so many flaws with this currently with the most glaring one is: what now? If everyone walked out on Triple H, how does Smackdown start/happen this week and Raw next? Triple H quits? Vince returns? They ignore it?

Aside from tonights ending I also STRONGLY agree that there is a lack of true chaos to really even signify any threat to the roster. Sure Miz and Truth are doing run ins but two months ago they were a non-threat to anyone and now suddenly they are scaring everyone?!? Nexus was a bigger threat this time last year! Refs getting attacked? They take bumps nearly once a week, not a cause of chaos... Mark Henry is about the only chaotic thing on WWE currently and can warrant any legit fear from the roster and refs.

Only thing now is where do we go from here? Lets say Triple H resigns this week on Smackdown or on Raw..who takes over? John Laryngitis? Vince returns? Foley returns?

 

[Ortonmaniac]

I wonder what the deal is with Steph? She was at SummerSlam she was in Cenas locker room and all and then all of sudden you never hear nothing more about it. I wonder if it was just something that simple or if they had plans for her but then changed it up.

 

[Tripleb2k1]

Race vs Funk would bore people to death today. Sure it was a good match, but it's just the truth.

But I highly doubt you're that old since you're so immature.

Wrestling isn't like it was in the 70s? Oh well, get over it.

Race and Funk would have probably killed to perform in front of 70 thousand people like WWE does for Wrestlemania.

Harley Race is no stranger to that large a crowd...that was the average in Tokyodome...Plus Harley was in WM3 in front of 93,000+ so your point is obviously without merit

hard to say where they go from here...realisticly, superstars of today are *****es...like to see them deal with being shot at and stabbed like Harley Race, Greg & Johnny Valentine, Dusty Rhodes & Dick Murdoch, and my childhood favorite, Rowdy Roddy Piper

 

[TheMainEvent]

As much as I have issue with the overall storyline of the roster walking out because of the supposed "chaos" there are still alot of ways that this can work out to. The main issue is what now and how does the show go on with the roster walking out. Triple H either has to resign and give power to John Laryngitis or man up and tell the roster they are fired/fined if they dont show up and work.

How does Nash, Truth, and Miz get reinstated? Trips has to relinquish his power to Laryngitis or a returning Vince for that to really happen and unfortunatly Laryngitis is not a strong enough character/actor to be featured so heavily in this storyline, especially if its revealed he was behind everything and attempts to play the "Bischoff" in the nWo type faction...

However, I really hope they draw this out resulting in an nWo-like faction of Nash, Truth, and Miz returning and creating a bit more chaos leading to a showdown at Surivor Series with a team of WWE supporters. Ultimatly this program has to have some sort of MAJOR swerve and turning point if its going to be successful. In a perfect world we would have Cena FINALLY turn heel at the PPV and join/lead the faction in a brutal attack on The Rock and Triple H...claiming he is tired of the current WWE and "kissing babies and smiling to all the ignorant fans, etc". Punk would be the main adversary because he is the voice of the people and be the loner against the heel faction. I know its a bit rehashed of nWo meets Corporation vs Austin but it would be fresh with these players and context.

Either way whatever happens I am interested to see what unfolds next, and thats always a good thing!

 

[metalbass]

I believe we will see CM Punk open RAW about the 'change'. He does his speech and then calls out HHH. A back and forth conversation ensues, and even though CM and HHH don't get along well CM Punk has a plan that will turn the WWE back around and that HHH is the only man that can make this happen. HHH reluctantly agrees because of the position he's in from the previous episode of RAW. Some remark about HHH's ego will be mentioned and it's the main reason HHH doesn't know what's really going on.

The first match should be 2 jobbers or unknowns facing each other with the Miz and R-Truth stepping in near the end and clobbering the hell out of them. This prompts HHH to return to the ring with security who promptly walk back out leaving HHH to fend off these two. Ultimately he will be beat down but is then saved by CM Punk and John Cena. As Miz and Truth backpedal up the ramp, out comes John Laurinitis backed up by Christian, Ziggler, Swagger, Rhodes, Henry and Del Rio. He has a message from HQ that HHH is being replaced by.... him and he's running the show from now on. He makes a few matches for the night. Air Boom will face Ziggler and Swagger for the Tag Team titles, Cody Rhodes gets the night off, Mark Henry vs. Mason Ryan, Kelly Kelly vs. Natalya, Sheamus, Randy Orton and Zack Ryder vs. Christian, Del Rio, Barrett and a Triple Threat Match with CM Punk, John Cena and HHH. HHH goes irate but Punk holds him back and points to his head with a smile on his face.

The night goes on with the heels getting the best out of it, including a title change. In between one of the matches we see CM punk on his phone. In between another we see some old WCW video. All 3 guys after the commercial start their entrances then do a lot of posturing in the ring, then we see a 'comedy' act similar to the old Hogan vs Nash title change in nWo. Before any 'pin' is made, Laurinaitis comes out to announce he has resigned the Miz and R-Truth and they come out to lead an attack on the 3 in the ring. Once they get the worst of it, the new tag champs with Christian make their way down and get beat out, then another wave of guys (including Mark Henry) that finally start to get the upper hand. They are then interrupted by... Colt Cabana and the Kings of Wrestling! They come out and hold their own until the numbers game finally takes hold, then we get one more angry monster to join in..... The Big Show who cleans house! We end the show with a staredown with the Big Show and Henry, who ultimately backs out of the ring and all the faces standing inside the ring.

Or so I hope it will happen something like this lol.

 

[GrandSword]

I have a love/hate thing with this current storyline. For one I love the idea that we have an "umbrella" storyline that finally encompassing the entire roster to some capacity and allowing interweaving storylines. The Attitude/WCW did this great in their primes and really brought intriguing storylines and TV. The "cliffhanger" endings on Raw and the PPV have kept my interest mostly but there are so many flaws with this currently with the most glaring one is: what now? If everyone walked out on Triple H, how does Smackdown start/happen this week and Raw next? Triple H quits? Vince returns? They ignore it?

Aside from tonights ending I also STRONGLY agree that there is a lack of true chaos to really even signify any threat to the roster. Sure Miz and Truth are doing run ins but two months ago they were a non-threat to anyone and now suddenly they are scaring everyone?!? Nexus was a bigger threat this time last year! Refs getting attacked? They take bumps nearly once a week, not a cause of chaos... Mark Henry is about the only chaotic thing on WWE currently and can warrant any legit fear from the roster and refs.

Only thing now is where do we go from here? Lets say Triple H resigns this week on Smackdown or on Raw..who takes over? John Laryngitis? Vince returns? Foley returns?

I agree I'm lost as to what HH has lost control of exactly.. I mean last year the Nexus was killing everyone.. that would have been the time to start this type of storyline. Maybe they are trying to make up for how the Nexus story went... I don't know..

As for "unsafe working conditions" and JR walking out I find it hilarious! Did JR remember when HHH broke his arm to get a title shot... what about when his best friend Steve Austin under Vince's orders beat him half to death. What about when Kane burned him alive...

I really laughed when this was going on... not to be a hater but I just thought it was funny when I remembered everything else that has gone on in the company for the last 20 years...

 

[GrandSword]

I'm going to look inot my magic 8 Ball and see John Cena open the show next week and yell, rant and rave about how all those who walked out on HHH last week should be ashamed of themselves, and that HHH is the right man for the job, blah blah blah. All the faces walks out and say you're right John how could have been so blind.

Johnny Ace will come out but Cena will make fun of him and threaten to beat him up.

Otunga and his group will say ths is what we want and we'll get another 12 man match exactly like this week ...

 

[SickJames]

As much as I have issue with the overall storyline of the roster walking out because of the supposed "chaos" there are still alot of ways that this can work out to. The main issue is what now and how does the show go on with the roster walking out. Triple H either has to resign and give power to John Laryngitis or man up and tell the roster they are fired/fined if they dont show up and work.

How does Nash, Truth, and Miz get reinstated? Trips has to relinquish his power to Laryngitis or a returning Vince for that to really happen and unfortunatly Laryngitis is not a strong enough character/actor to be featured so heavily in this storyline, especially if its revealed he was behind everything and attempts to play the "Bischoff" in the nWo type faction...

However, I really hope they draw this out resulting in an nWo-like faction of Nash, Truth, and Miz returning and creating a bit more chaos leading to a showdown at Surivor Series with a team of WWE supporters. Ultimatly this program has to have some sort of MAJOR swerve and turning point if its going to be successful. In a perfect world we would have Cena FINALLY turn heel at the PPV and join/lead the faction in a brutal attack on The Rock and Triple H...claiming he is tired of the current WWE and "kissing babies and smiling to all the ignorant fans, etc". Punk would be the main adversary because he is the voice of the people and be the loner against the heel faction. I know its a bit rehashed of nWo meets Corporation vs Austin but it would be fresh with these players and context.

Either way whatever happens I am interested to see what unfolds next, and thats always a good thing!

I agree

As much as I do like Punk as a heel, he should be the top face now and you can safely have Cena go heel more than any other time and he'll get booed anyhow against The Rock. I get the face/face appeal


I like three options, Steph and it goes back to why HHH over her as far as being in power

Punk's is another one where it's cool

but I like the idea of Cena turning heel and I thought too of a SS turn since they want that to be big, Cena turning would be a defining moment there. But also it ties into my conspiracy thread with the idea of Jesse coming in. The thing is it can work with Cena being a heel or face, Cena doesnt have to be in on it and that's the part that makes it good, not that Cena's the mastermind cause Vince would be in this case, but just that Cena can or doesnt have to turn heel.



Punk has lead two major heel factions already, whats one more gonna do? He couldnt be the sole leader at this point especially with Nash's ego.


I am very interested more than any other thing on the road to SS [other than what happens next too] in seeing the inevitable return of Shawn Michaels and his conversation with HHH and where he stands on everything


If those of you who saw the DX promotion of Inside-Out remember, he jokingly hinted at it, San Antonio will have a PPC-PPV I believe and a Raw or SD! but he had some comments about Nash in there

I just wonder if The Klique could still be a possibility to bring on screen for the first time as a group in play

or HHH not being in it and them running wild on him with Vince using HHH's buddys against him like he tried to use Bret's family against him

with new Klique members (Miz/Truth)





Let's not forget about the time they were all asking HHH to join them when it was like Shawn and Nash and Pac before, not Hall I think at that point, but HHH wouldnt join the nWo, this could in that case be a continuance of the "you're either with us or against us" bit they did with him then. He ended up not having to make the decision in the end and is the only member of The Klique never in the nWo





on a side note why is everyone talking about how Raw will start? Smackdown! is next not Raw, they cant just pretend SD! isnt apart of WWE and go on as normal, our first bit of info will come Friday then more indepth on Monday, but you cant just skip SD! even though I believe all they said is happening is two title bouts and a 41 man battle royal, I believe thats for this week. No Divas match : (

 

[rge2010]

Cryme tyme was a pretty ignorant stable/storyline. I wasn't happy about that, making it seem as though black people are more likely to steal etc. What were the children fans watching supposed to think.

Dubbing Kofi Kingston as Jamaican was pretty bad too. Considering he's from the other side of the globe.

Why? Because Kofi Kingston is black? Why don't you bitch and cry and Jinder Mahal being from India when he is from Canada, or what about Santino being billed from Italy when he is also Canadian? Kofi Kingston isn't his real name, it's his CHARACTERS name.

As for the storyline, take it for what it is, maybe it does have plotholes but the superstars have a point and their is a bigger picture behind all this.

 

[Hardinhoff]

I've never thought of this being a possibility. That would be awesome but so would someone we don't expect. I'd think we all have to agree that VKM or possibly even Steph will eventually be the head of this "anarchy".