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[WWE_Since_93]

Loved seeing the Undertaker return last night and I think it made perfect sense having him come out and interupt HHH right after him saying he has no personal intrests clouding his judgement to run RAW.

This is how I think it is going to play out, Over the next few weeks Undertaker is going to use this time to get into HHH head and really get under his skin until he snaps and says enough is enough, Taker if you want me you got me. Then like 2 weeks later he will come out and say that HBK is going to come in and be the special guest ref for the match, which will make the odds of the streak staying intact after WM 28 almost impossible. Then the big night comes and we are going to see a great match and HHH is going to have the deadman down and out, then out of nowhere sweet chin music on HHH, and HBK rolls over taker onto HHH for the 1 2 3.

The following night on RAW HHH will come out and call out HBK on his actions and wants to know why he did what he did. Shawn will then come out and explain that he did it was because if he wasn't going to end the streak then no-one will...

Does anyone else see it playing out like this, or am I just out of my mind?

 

[RoadWarriorBaigy]

i think the deadmans retiring. what i saw last night was Triple h showing him pitty. imo he didnt turn down the challenge because he knows he cant beat Taker, he turned it down to give Taker a chance to walk away. Triple h showed last year that Taker is getting weaker after he needed carried out. the next few weeks will be interesting.

What i think will happen is that triple h will keep turning the challenge down until after EC. Raw after EC Taker tries challenging trips again and finally gets a response, triple h says how he left taker a broken man at mania 27 and that he should just give up with his streak intact. Taker still insists on the match and Triple h asks 'what's more important to you, your streak or your career?' and that he will only accept under the condition that if taker wins, he gets to retire with a perfect 20-0 streak or if Taker wants his career to continue, he'l have to give up the streak. Of course we know what the result would be but that would make the match an emotional roller-coaster!

 

[Mitch Henessey]

Taker VS Triple H III is the better option. Their match from Mania 17 was great, and the No Holds Barred match from last year was a very physical and brutal battle. Taker barley survived his last encounter with HHH, and The Game is still a very believable threat to end the streak, so a third match at Wrestelmania between these two makes perfect sense. Taker and HHH should be able to deliver another high quality match, and I'm really looking forward to the showdown at Mania. Also, for what it's worth, I'm glad WWE didn't decide to go with Kane/Taker III. Their match at Mania 14 was average at best, and the match from Mania 20 was pretty shitty. It was nothing more than a glorified squash, and nobody believed Taker would lose his big comeback match. I know Taker and Kane have a long and rich history as the kayfabe supernatural brothers, but their matches together usually don't provide any memorable moments. Taker VS Kane has been done to death over the years, and another match between these two doesn't feel enticing at all.

Triple H VS Taker III should be a fine match, but Taker's streak has built up this God-like status over the years, and the list of elite opponents is becoming very slim. If Taker goes 20-0, then who could possibly be next? HBK is retired, and a 4th match with HHH at Mania would reach the point of overkill. Cena and Orton are the only two wrestlers, who could become legit threats to the streak. Orton and Taker's Wrestlemania 21 match was excellent. These two have only had one match at Wrestlemania, so you don't have to worry about the "This? Again? Really?!?!" problem. Orton has finally come into his own, and both men are more than capable of tearing the house down together at any Mania event. Depending on his status in the future, Jericho could become a possible candidate, but WWE might have to pull the trigger on Cena VS Taker at some point, because this would be the only match-up left that could have that super blockbuster must-see feeling.

 

[rated-r-patelstar]

as much as well it seem its going to be taker and hhh his final match should either

1. vs cena
2. lose the streak to someone up coming and well if thats not a push
3. if it is hhh they both should retire after with the final gong both gone, hhh cant top that for his final match can he, whereas taker could do better

 

[SimonH82]

Takers return was very very WEAK...

Same thing I have seen year in year...same promo that was given except Trips showed reluctance...

And unless there is a sever swerve...Triple H will eventually accept the challenge...with Shawn Michaels as ref....YAWN!

And I am one of the few that really wasn't very impressed with the match last year...

Meanwhile you could of had...

Randy VS Taker (I think it would be a better match...and I would feel I am seeing something a bit fresher...Taker VS one of the top guys in the company)

You could also have...

Triple H VS Ziggler (Also I think these two would put on a better match...and would give Ziggler some huge cred win or lose...and you would have another bonafide main eventer)

It's safe, BORING booking that has made me lose interest in Wrestlemania.

 

[tyler.durden]

I think the only reason Kane came back was to face Taker at WM. Yeah the match will suck, but I think Triple H will be the guest ref for that match. I mean Taker is on his last leg, there's no way they will throw someone up and coming at him. He's not gonna be able to catch up. So a slow paced match against Kane, using the "big man" excuse to make it slow, is best. Then let him rest another year to prep for his final match against Cena.

 

[HBsam31]

I am going to give my opinion, and then ask a question. First off I think if there is going to be an HHH taker 3 then it needs to really have some sort of twist. I have said this in other threads that HHH just dominated Taker last year. When HHH did the chair beatdown, and taker took the chair shot to the head I had that moment of wow he is going to do it. If you listen, the crowd thought the same thing. It was so eerily silent. If HHH ran him over with an 18 wheeler this year I would just say hmmmm Taker will kick out. See what I mean? You need that moment of doubt in the match. We all know Taker will win, but isn't it more fun if you think for a second wow he might not? That being said I always thought he would go out against Cena. Not saying anything bad about Jericho, he is actually one of my all time favorites, but he just doesn't seem believable to me in the terms of beating Undertaker. I can't exactly explain why, but I really don't think I could get into that match. Does anyone think Taker will come back one more time to face Cena? Also does anyone here actually want the streak to come to an end? Just curious

 

[BrucePettit]

I was thinking about this the other day. With Shawn Michaels being advertised to be on Raw Feb. 13th, and with speculation of him possibly being the special guest referee to this years HHH vs Taker match, I got to remembering this...

I remembered that during a RAW before Undertaker and HHH's match last year, Trips made a comment when talking about Shawn. He said that they always had a pact, that the other would let them know when it was their time to hang it up. They always knew that they could rely on the other person to tell them, so they didn't hang around the business too long. Trips of course went on to try and "respectfully" to Taker, that it was his time to hang it up.

Here we are a year later with similar situations lining up. I am thinking if Shawn is involved in this year's match somehow, that he will end up costing Triple H the match. I think a sweet chin music towards the end or something of the sort. This will go on to the next night with Shawn explaining to Triple H that it was his way of telling him to hang it up.

Now whether this will convince him or not, I don't know. I don't think Triple H will lose cleanly to Undertaker again this year without some sort of weird thing going down. This was just a thought I had, as I'm not totally convinced of it myself, but I definitely wouldn't be surprised. This could end up being Triple H's last Wrestlemania/match all together. Who else would Triple H want his final match to be against, if Shawn was retired? I think it would be Taker. And what better way to do it then by having Shawn involved somehow.

What do you think? Do you think Taker will win cleanly? Will HBK have something to do with it? Possibly deliberately costing Triple H the match?

 

[#hamler]

It sounds cool and personally, I wouldn't mind the match playing out like that. Here's the problem I have with Triple H retiring now: he's still good. Retiring against the Undertaker at Wrestlemania wouldn't be ideal for someone who will likely run the WWE for the years to come. He's obviously going to want to compete in another match being so close to the action all the time. How likely it is Triple H will honor his word? I believe it's unlikely. Triple H really isn't the type I can see having a set retirement match like Ric Flair or Shawn Michaels had. I see him stepping in when needed. I see him wrestling periodically for the next decade or so and I'm completely fine with that. He’s probably one of the single best storytellers the WWE currently has on their roster.

As for the ending at the possible Undertaker/Triple H match, I honestly have no idea. With the way last year’s match went down, it seems possible Triple H could very well beat the Undertaker (kayfabe). This year, I wouldn't be surprised if Triple H just lays down for The Undertaker to end their match at Wrestlemania. From the very moment Triple H patted 'Taker on his back Monday night, I knew Triple H has tremendous respect for The Undertaker. Why would he take away the streak that means so much to 'Taker? I don't know. I'm interested to see how their match plays out; the ending certainly intrigues me.

 

[Defekt]

If the UT does end up facing HHH again, I don't see the scenario you described happening.

The story of their last match was that HHH took the UT to his absolute limit.

If they have a rematch and UT won due to a cheap shot by Shawn Michaels, it wouldn't be much of a resolution to that story.

Also, the streak is probably the biggest draw in wrestling, and UT not going over clean would only diminish its credibility.

Lastly, I imagine if the match ends up taking place it will be streak vs career. And there isn't much to be gained by starting a feud between two retired guys.

 

[The A]

Am I the only one who is totally convinced that they clearly showed this isn't going to be the match? Sure they teased it by having Taker issue the challenge but I think HHH clearly showed that he wasn't going to do it. I think they know that the same match twice in a row isn't the way to go.

Sure it was a great match, but if it's done for the second consecutive time, we'll know for sure that Taker is winning and I don't think they'll give HHH the win just so that they can both go and retire. I might be in the minority in saying that Takers streak is destined to end in order to put over a younger talent who they feel may carry the company for years to come.

So I'm just wondering, Anyone feel the same as me? I don't get why everyone is SOOO sure that it's going to be HHH vs Taker III.

 

[#hamler]

Well, the way last year's Wrestlemania match between the two ended certainly suggests another match is in store for both Triple H and The Undertaker. Triple H took The Undertaker to the limit last year. Triple H stood toe to toe with The Undertaker and made him human. 'Taker couldn't even leave the ring without help. To me, there is still a storyline there. There are still unanswered questions. If Triple H faces Undertaker again, who's to say he won't beat him? Who's to say Triple H will make the same mistakes that cost him the match last year? There are numerous signs that point to another match.

The pat on the back seems to be the start of another intriguing storyline between the two. A storyline that suggest Triple H feels sorry for The Undertaker. I believe if another match does happen, Triple H could very well lay down to the Undertaker's streak out of respect. Honestly, I don’t know. It's way too early to tell. We can draw conclusions all we want. All Triple H did was pat the Undertaker on the back and that provides us with nothing but a cliffhanger. I'll definitely watch next week so the WWE writers did their job. But another match between the two seems all too likely.

 

[theBusiness]

I can definitely see something like that happening but I can't see the screwjob ending in the actual match. It would take away from it soo much imo. It needs to end clean. If Hell in a Cell wasn't so fucking overdone nowadays, I would say put them in the cell at Mania. I know Mania isn't for gimmick matches and I too get irritated when people give their fantasy Mania cards where half the matches are Last Man Standing, I Quit, etc. It's stupid; WrestleMania isn't for that. But this would be an exception...especially HIAC. Mainly for the fact that these two are the two most mentioned names when it comes to HIAC, I'm pretty sure you'll see their name in about 80% of every HIAC match in history.

Something else I can also see happening is this match being billed as the retirement match for BOTH of them. Imagine: Triple H's last match ever and Undertaker's last match ever. Two people retiring in one match has NEVER happened. Something has to be different than last year besides HBK possibly being the special guest referee. This is it, ladies and gentlemen. Time for both of these legends to hang up the boots. PLEASE DO THIS VINCE.

 

[brighamosity]

As others stated, I think Triple H still has many, many more Wrestlemania's left in him.

As far as this Wrestlemania, I see it playing out similar to what Hamily Guy said. It will be advertised in advance that this will be Undertaker's last match. And I think Triple H will have him beat. But I think he will feel so bad about it and won't want to break the streak, so he will be intentionally counted out, or he may even just lay down for him. I don't think Undertaker would go for this initially, but it will still happen regardless. The next night on Raw Triple H will talk about how no one is bigger than the streak, not even him, and how it was the right thing to do.

 

[BrucePettit]

So does everyone who has posted pretty much agree that this Wrestlemania will be the final bout for Undertaker? That he'll wrap it up at 20-0?

For those who think that, do you think it will end Taker getting a clean pinfall and going out on that note? As much as it would be a feel good story and a nice gesture for Triple H to have him beat and then "lay down" out of respect like some have predicted, don't you think that would diminish the streak? Respect issue or not? I think the IWC would riot with Triple H remarks like "this is him and his ego again blah blah blah. Now everyone will know Triple H could have ended it and basically did, but laid down for him instead." I feel like that would always be attached to the streak in all DVD's moving forward. How Taker would have lost but Triple H laid down for him out of respect.

 

[Rampage Bentley]

So does everyone who has posted pretty much agree that this Wrestlemania will be the final bout for Undertaker? That he'll wrap it up at 20-0?

For those who think that, do you think it will end Taker getting a clean pinfall and going out on that note? As much as it would be a feel good story and a nice gesture for Triple H to have him beat and then "lay down" out of respect like some have predicted, don't you think that would diminish the streak? Respect issue or not? I think the IWC would riot with Triple H remarks like "this is him and his ego again blah blah blah. Now everyone will know Triple H could have ended it and basically did, but laid down for him instead." I feel like that would always be attached to the streak in all DVD's moving forward. How Taker would have lost but Triple H laid down for him out of respect.

ABSOLUTELY, it would.

I personally am one of the few who believes the streak needs to end, but not to Triple H... I think it needs to be used to propel someone into beyond main event.... it needs to be used on someone who can carry the company.

I understand why people want the streak to stay intact, but I think the above mentioned scenario would make it utterly pointless. There would be a giant footnote on it and it would have unofficially ended, and honestly who benefits from that?

 

[punchline]

I'm almost certain the match will take place, but i think they're putting an interesting twist on it. Remember when Shawn Michaels wanted the rematch, but Taker turned him down? Michaels had to pretty much force him into a rematch.

I think that's what they're going to do here. Undertaker want's to prove he can leave HHH lying in the ring this time and walk out, instead of the other way around. But HHH is going to keep turning the match down because he just finished telling John L. he's learned from his mistakes, and can now take over the GM position without getting physically involved with people and letting personal emotions get into the way.

So my guess is that HHH will keep turning Taker down because he want's to stay a GM, and Taker will somehow cost HHH his spot as GM to force him to accept the rematch.

 

[Tyler44]

Well I mean think about it.

You are wondering why people are assuming it's HHH vs. Undertaker. Not to come off as ignorant and rude (well, here I go haha), but that is a stupid question. Obviously if you have to speculate who his opponent in, first in mind is Triple H because of the RAW segment. Because of the confrontation, obviously people will discuss if they will fight or not. Just because 10 people say they're fighting and 50 people say they don't want them to, doesn't mean everyone is assuming it's what is happening.

But anyways, think about this. Who in WWE do you see facing Undertaker other than HHH? I would think it should be someone credible and fresh, but Punk and Jericho are out of the question, Cena has the Rock, and Orton has no means with the Undertaker right now. Big Show and Mark Henry have nothing to do with Taker right now, and Sheamus is fighting for the title.

All is left is Masked Kane and Triple H. From a fan standpoint, I'd rather them over someone from the VMMC (very-mediocre-mid-card). Dolph Ziggler/Jack Swagger/The Miz/etc. vs. The Undertaker...ugh. That's not fun at all.

 

[The A]

Well I mean think about it.

You are wondering why people are assuming it's HHH vs. Undertaker. Not to come off as ignorant and rude (well, here I go haha), but that is a stupid question. Obviously if you have to speculate who his opponent in, first in mind is Triple H because of the RAW segment. Because of the confrontation, obviously people will discuss if they will fight or not. Just because 10 people say they're fighting and 50 people say they don't want them to, doesn't mean everyone is assuming it's what is happening.

But anyways, think about this. Who in WWE do you see facing Undertaker other than HHH? I would think it should be someone credible and fresh, but Punk and Jericho are out of the question, Cena has the Rock, and Orton has no means with the Undertaker right now. Big Show and Mark Henry have nothing to do with Taker right now, and Sheamus is fighting for the title.

All is left is Masked Kane and Triple H. From a fan standpoint, I'd rather them over someone from the VMMC (very-mediocre-mid-card). Dolph Ziggler/Jack Swagger/The Miz/etc. vs. The Undertaker...ugh. That's not fun at all.

Hey I understand where you're coming from. Maybe I just don't want to see it. I still felt like they showed that it's less likely to happen. I don't know who could face Taker but there's always room for a surprise. I hope Raw will lead us to a definitive answer. There's still just enough time to build one of those guys from the "VMMC" I mean is it even smart to have the match again? I don't know but here's my call...

DREW MAC ends his losing streak and Taker's WM streak! Not gonna happen but I'd rather see something along those lines than a devalued rematch that Taker would obviously win, and I'd be upset if H ended the streak I don't think that's going to do any of them any good. (Maybe thats what "Chosen one" meant all along Idk) I know it's kind of silly at this point but We've seen worse right?

 

[The A]

I can't help but think 2 things. It's Takers last Mania, and the streak is meant to end. If its HHH and Taker again, Taker wins and they try to get things right the next year.

 

[Defekt]

I do agree with you that a cheap shot by Michaels would diminish the victory a bit. So you're thinking the match between Trips and Taker this year will be streak vs career? How do you think it will end?

If they have a rematch, I think it will be streak vs career. Since they are doing the match again, they have to up the stakes. That doesn't necessarily mean I think HHH will actually retire forever tho.

I think UT will beat HHH clean. Ending the streak does nothing for HHH. He's nearing the end of his run, and already one of the biggest stars ever. In the long term, it's worth more to keep the streak alive then it is to have HHH end it.

 

[Moffat09]

For some reason I don't think undertaker will take on triple h ..... I think triple h will abandon his wrestling career for the COO job at least for the short term anyways. And as much the undertaker won't like ... Well in the storyline anyways there will be no triple h undertaker 3

 

[ECW Dan Selby]

haha i'd ask the opposite - Why would you NOT be thinking HHH/Taker?

Here's some reasons:
*The internet tells us it'll happen (ok, tongue in cheek here, but yeah)
*The fact the two closed Raw
*Undertaker walked down to get in the ring with Triple H and offer him the challenge (Just because Trips 'blew it off', it doesn't mean it's not going to happen. WWE's suddenly realised that making the viewer tune in next week is actually a good thing..)
*Taker seems to love a WM Rematch

There you go. Plenty of reasons.

 

[The A]

I got to thinking. Maybe the match happens and maybe it doesn't but just maybe, a retirement ceremony for Taker at Mania? Unlikely but it's fun to speculate. Can't wait to see raw now. I'm expecting some kind of curveball, The internet has been less accurate lately. WWE seems to be aware of what we know and think more than ever now.

 

[cookster25]

i think the plan is to throw hbk in as a referee to shake it up a little, either way i think the whole things stinks, this will be the 3rd mania match between theses two, and wwe do u even anknolledge the wm17 match, waste of a year on the streak, why doesnt jerico get a shot at the streak or shamus, looks like wwe are saving the streak to go at mania 30 to cena.