All Future Wrestlemania Discussion (Matches, Gimmicks, Angles.... KEEP IT IN HERE!)

[DJ Kyo]

Ok, let's squash some bugs.

#1 - The UK will NEVER -EEEEEEEVER get Wrestlemania. Sorry folks, it's impossible unless Vince wants to lose MILLIONS of dollars in buyrates for the Pay-Per-View.

#2 - MSG is a silly place to hold the biggest even in the business. There's "tradition" of the 10th anniversay happening there TWICE, that's not a traidition, that's just a decision because it made sense at the time. Mania has grown much bigger since then and the show is way too big for crowded NYC. Going from huge stadiums to small arenas just isn't an option except for smaller PPVs.

and #3 - Don't be surprised if WM 29 or 30 is in Dallas, despite what Jerry says. Jerry has a way of 'hiding' things unless they are supposed to be out in the open. The NCAA being there at Jerry World those years is actually PERFECT because the extra risers will be in place already for Mania and less setup/cost. Jerry is all about things like this. Only thing that would have to be done is to set the WM stage and put the collectible chairs on the floor. Easy really, especially if you've ever seen how quickly they can transform a stadium/set a stage.

 

[Prunier]

I think he'll face Kane. WWE.com are running a little report comparing the masked Kane and 'Taker (from '95). The photos chosen show 'Taker looking similar and performing similar acts to what Kane is doing now (hand over face etc.) I can just see him possibly teasing a return at the Royal Rumble, like RR '04, and eventually putting a stop to Kane's actions on RAW, therefore clearing the way for Cena to concentrate on the Rock. Hopefully by then, Cena will be a full-fledged heel but that's just wishful thinking. Who knows, maybe even Kane could actually win in a way where they'd both be put over and Undertaker could retire (if it is gonna be this year) with full dignity in tact and they'll have one of those '98 kneeling moments with their hands raised up toward each other. 'Taker will probably win though. He might even return with his mask. Can't wait!!

 

[AndThat'sTheBottomLine]

I'd like to see Kane and the Undertaker one more time to end both of their careers. At the end of the the match have Paul Bearer come out raise them both up, let the arena go completely dark and when the lights come back on all 3 of them be gone. And then next year have all 3 of them be inducted into the hall of fame.

 

[Khalifa]

As Norcal said before I can see it happening at WrestleMania 30 as well. When he finally reaches that 20-0 mark. There is just not enough build up for Undertaker to wrestle at this years one. Not one thing has been mentioned about it so for him to return so close to the Rumble and then get his 20-0 would definately be disappointing to say the least. This can also give the fans there dream match of Cena vs Taker. It's a win win if he doesn't wrestle at this Mania.

 

[RuskinArms]

What if the raw after the royal rumble have HHH return, cut a promo and challenge Undertaker for a match at Wrestlemania and demand Taker for a response the following week.

The following Raw comes and as HHH is in the ring waiting for Takers response, who comes out, none other than HBK. HBK goes on about how they are best friends and when they can no longer perform at the highest level they would let each other know its time to hang up the boots (If you remember last year HHH said something similar to HBK and thats why he lost to taker) Maybe in that same promo or on a separate Raw Taker returns and accepts the match.

So we have all the general buildup that we get towards Mania and as we are in the Taker vs HHH match, HBK interferes and costs HHH the match. Undertaker goes on to win the match and finish on 20-0 and we have a possible setup for HHH vs HBK for WM 30 with the stipulation being HHH retires (May not be HHH's final match just a suggestion)

A possible problem I see with this is that most would prefer to see Taker win cleanly and not have someone interfere but still just a suggestion and I know it probably seems more like a buildup towards HHH v HBK but like other people have said its hard to see any buildup towards Mania with anyone but HHH or Kane and this is just a possibility with HHH.

What do you think?

 

[Peoples_Champ]

As interesting it would be to have Taker skip out on this WM - would McMahon let it happen? Vince is in the business of selling tickets and PPV buys. Trying to sell a WM without Taker might be too much of a gamble for Vince to take.

That being said - what about someone like Randy Orton? I know they already faced each other once, but other than Cena, there's no big name stars left for Taker to face. Randy Orton v. Taker would be awesome - and it can foreshadow Taker losing the next WM if he gets a tainted win (outside interference, referee knocked down for an RKO-pinfall, etc.)

 

[I am Mr. Excitement]

What if the raw after the royal rumble have HHH return, cut a promo and challenge Undertaker for a match at Wrestlemania and demand Taker for a response the following week.

The following Raw comes and as HHH is in the ring waiting for Takers response, who comes out, none other than HBK. HBK goes on about how they are best friends and when they can no longer perform at the highest level they would let each other know its time to hang up the boots (If you remember last year HHH said something similar to HBK and thats why he lost to taker) Maybe in that same promo or on a separate Raw Taker returns and accepts the match.

So we have all the general buildup that we get towards Mania and as we are in the Taker vs HHH match, HBK interferes and costs HHH the match. Undertaker goes on to win the match and finish on 20-0 and we have a possible setup for HHH vs HBK for WM 30 with the stipulation being HHH retires (May not be HHH's final match just a suggestion)

A possible problem I see with this is that most would prefer to see Taker win cleanly and not have someone interfere but still just a suggestion and I know it probably seems more like a buildup towards HHH v HBK but like other people have said its hard to see any buildup towards Mania with anyone but HHH or Kane and this is just a possibility with HHH.

I actually really like the idea and Taker could always (maybe)...possibly have a match at Mania 29 none other with John Cena. But id like to see one more fued with HHH vs Michaels they had the best fued which ran from 2002-2004 in the post attitude era.
But pertaining to this years Mania hhh vs taker will be good but i think H needs to be a full-fledged heel for the fued this year. Last year's build-up imo completely sucked. But backed it up with 4/5 star match. Just needs to be more personal and maybe confrantation before mania!!

 

[DX vs NWO]

The only guys I could see facing Taker and beating him would be Cena, HHH or Y2J. I would choose Y2J only because it would be an interesting match.

 

[Topropecelebrating7]

It should be Chris Jericho. I really don't want to see HHH vs Taker again.
In my opinion they got all they were going to get out of their match last year, storyline wise and wrestling wise, although it was a phenomenal ride the entire match, I just really don't think it is going to appeal to most fans again this year.

With the way Jericho has been hyped up since his return and with him having no real purpose yet, and after the awesome promo of him on the highlight reel this past Monday on raw, I think that if WWE decides to go the Taker/Jericho route at mania, it will be a fantastic build and it will add speculation to whether or not Jericho can pull it off.

Lets be serious, Y2J is indeed one of the greats, but alot of fans especially this new generation of fans do not see Jericho as a top marquee name like "Shawn Michaels" "The Rock" "Stone Cold"

Now don't get me wrong Jericho is one of the greats and has some awesome accolades but I sincerely feel that Jericho needs this build up to solidify him as one of the super elites. Sorry if people disagree, but Jericho needs his name to become Legendary this wrestlemania, he needs his "Moment", Win or Lose.

 

[hobohaymaker13]

Yeah, i really don't wanna see Taker Vs. HHH again, awesome match, just don't wanna see it again. But yeah, it's probably gonna be Chris Jericho going against him this year.

 

[Peoples_Champ]

I wouldn't mind HHH v. Taker again, but there needs to be some added intrigue or drama to the match. A HHH retirement match, or someway that HHH has something to lose, is necessary. Hell, even having Shawn Michaels as special guest referee - in tears because he has to be the one responsible for HHH losing the match.

Regardless, if they have Taker v. HHH, they absolutely have to acknowledge the first match as well. Doing so would go a long way to get the IWC to accept a rematch.

 

[The Eighties]

I'm hoping it will be Jericho vs Taker but I just wanted to float an idea.

Kane is getting a lot of build time right now and I don't think the purpose is solely to job him to Cena, it's more of a storyline feud than a one about wins or losses.

So once it's over Kane will still be looking strong and need something to do at Mania, now I don't think Kane vs Taker or Triple H vs Taker for a 3rd time would be great, but if they made it the first ever triple threat streak match with two guys that have already tried twice in singles, it may be interesting if not a great match.

 

[SickJames]

Most of these posts are off. Y2J/Punk should be on no question.

Taker's last Mania match should be bigger than ever and I support nothing but a Triple Threat Match and I'll state the exact same match idea I posted in another thread way back last year.

You've got the wrong two guys


Punk/Y2J will be a classic wrestling match, but Taker should face Kane and Mick Foley (with a new demented looking Mankind mask) it works out so that WWE can do their mask world record thing they want if Rey/Sin Cara cant happen and these two would be better opponents for Taker in a Triple Threat given the history

It should be a Triple Threat HELL IN A CELL match however.

These guys could do that one up big for Taker's final bout in HIAC with those two facing him and the match either way sells bigger than any other because for the first time in HISTORY Taker doesnt have to be pinned to lose his streak. That's why I support the Triple Threat and have for months now, but not this Punk/Y2J/Taker stuff, no, Foley/Taker/Kane

And the match works because Foley will forever be excellent in brutal matches, Kane/Taker is always complained on as being too slow paced so let them in a fitting end to his Mania streak going 20-0 face off in a match all three had a big part in.

Hell, if it was HHH/Taker III it should still be HIAC, a match both perfected. Cant go singles bout with them 2, have to go bigger. HIAC is perfect.



The idea of the only two to try twice in a Triple Threat sounds great too in HIAC for me with the other guy who tried twice as the Special Guest Referee! HBK, Shawn Michaels!

 

[Midgetmania619]

If you saw tonight's RAW, you know that The Undertaker is back with a vengeance for Triple H.

I think the common reason would be because, despite winning last year, Undertaker lost morally. He was beaten so badly he could not leave WrestleMania or celebrate as the victor on his own accord.
However, Triple H didn't seem to care or have an answer. Plausibly, HHH knows he can't beat him. No matter what, Undertaker will be the man at WrestleMania.

WWE will, in my opinion, play this out as a revenge angle, which I think Undertaker will win.

-If they wanted to end the Streak, why waste 19 years? Why not end it with Shawn at XXV? Why not last year, at XXVII?
-If they're having a 3rd match between them at WrestleMania, why not have the opponent defeat Taker the second time? A third time isn't necessary and only a space filler.
-Triple H vs Undertaker II was a huge spot match. Unless the match is hardcore in some way (No DQ/No Countout, or the referee gets knocked out a la Undertaker vs Triple H I) then the match will be fairly bland.
-The Streak and Undertaker are, as of the past 2 and now 3 years, bigger than the event of WrestleMania. WrestleMania XXV saw Undertaker vs HBK save the show. Of course, analysing shows it was mostly a flop, but it overshadowed a lot of the Silver Anniversary's events. WrestleMania XXVI saw it, once again, steal the show. WrestleMania XXVII saw it, once again, steal the show (although there was a good show from Rey and Cody and Orton and Punk).

The reason those matches happened was purely because of the Streak.

Thoughts for a 3rd HHH/Undertaker match?

Personally, I think it's a wasted chance. I'd rather see Rey Mysterio vs Undertaker - predictable, yes, but they put on damn good matches.

 

[phoenixphreek]

HEEEEEEEEEEEE'SSS BAAAAAAAAAAACCCKKKK! loved his return, mimicking how trips crashed his return last year. perfect.
it looks the angle is gonna be that HHH's position in the business holds him back from being able to face taker at mania.
should be interesting

 

[phoenixphreek]

i think the angle is gonna be that triple h can't face him because he's the boss man now. it should be interesting.
i wasn't opposed to this, it wasn't my favorite choice, but as soon as taker came out, I was all for it. taker vs hhh is just sooo intense

 

[DJ Kyo]

My first two words were "Fucking Bullshit" when Taker came out.

I love Taker and seeing him go 20-0 is the reason why I am going to Miami this year. I DO NOT want it to be the same boring crap we saw last year though vs. Triple H.

I still won't believe that is the match until it's made official.

I still think we're going to get masked Kane vs. Taker II (III technically) and that's perfectly fine as those have been good matches.

I'd much rather see a mix up of someone young like the Miz, Sheamus, or hell even R-Truth challenge Taker long before Triple H again. It's a horrible match (again) if they compete UNLESS it's a Hell in a Cell, then MAYBE it could be interesting, but I don't know if Mark Calaway's body can take that type of match again... For one night? Maybe.

We shall see.

 

[Midgetmania619]

phoenixphreeki think the angle is gonna be that triple h can't face him because he's the boss man now. it should be interesting.
i wasn't opposed to this, it wasn't my favorite choice, but as soon as taker came out, I was all for it. taker vs hhh is just sooo intense

That's a good theory. Hopefully it's true, because HHH was my last choice. I'd rather, like I said, an extremely predictable Rey vs Undertaker that will at least give us an amazing match. Or anybody vs Undertaker, despite predictability, that will be amazing.

 

[Ithil]

Somone made the suggestion that Taker isn't going directly for HHH, but is instead going to challenge people that faced him before to face him again, but like HHH they'll turn him down.

Basically that Taker will go around looking for an opponent instead of someone coming after him, and almost no one will take him up (until his eventual opponent, whoever it may be).


That sounds like a good story to me, but it probably won't happen and we'll just get Taker/HHH again.

 

[GI Cake]

God everything about Undertakers return was just freaking pure gold. For one, it was unexpected, personally I thought Taker wrestled his last match at Mania. And to have him break up the Triple H/Johnny Ace segment made millions of people mark the hell out. However, what really sold me on the show was the interaction between Taker and Triple H. When Taker proposed the challenge to Triple H, Trips simply patted Takers shoulder and walked away. Not only does this provide an interesting angle, it leads to more speculation if Triples will eveb actually have a match with The Undertaker. Great stuff all around.

 

[sollecks]

weak across the board..
A. as soon as RR is over marks are talking about mania so of course taker makes a showing..
B Laurinaitis needs a savior - go figure.
C. HHH is going to put him self over one more time and break the streak ..
Cause Taker is going to retire..

 

[dude_d_dude]

Pretty lame.
I mean The Rock/Steve Austin never faced Taker once at Mania but HHH might have a THIRD shot? Something's wrong with that picture.

Their match last year started at a nice pace, they were going great until they started using the tried and true FINISHER-REST-COUNTER-FINISHER nonsense for like 10 mins straight at the end.

REALLY didn't want to see this again, but it's a big draw so at least Vince will be happy and can't say this Mania didn't have enough buys.

 

[LoudClearVoice]

This match will end in a draw.

That way Undertaker remains undefeated but Triple H will always get mentioned as the "1" in 19-0-1. It's just such a Vince McMahon and Triple H thing to do. Both men will pass out and special guest ref HBK will call for the bell. Triple H will be taken out on stretcher and then the druids will come out and take Undertaker away.

 

[phoenixphreek]

if it is vs hhh, i want this match to be a hell in a cell. not only would it give it something new to set it apart from the first two, also because trips and taker are the best at hiac matches (i believe hhh has won more than anyone else in history, and taker has competed in more than anyone else in history)

 

[BK Styles]

His return was good to see. I didn't think it'd be the night after the Rumble, but I'm glad he's back as it's always an awesome moment to hear the gong after so long.

Two things made this return even better though. Taker's intentions and Triple H's reaction. I've already posted on this in the Taker returns thread, but I'll go into it here too.

First of all, Taker is the one challenging. This hasn't happened at Mania in a long time, but Taker is the one who wants HHH. For me, this boils down to one thing; triple H walked out last year and Taker did not. HHH made Taker look human and beatable. The fact that Taker still won isn't irrelevant, but whe you get carried out and the other guy doesn't, it leaves questions raised. Taker wants revenge for that.

And yet, in contrast, HHH seems to have turned 180 degrees on his desire to fight Taker (remember, at the Slammys he wanted Taker again). So the question is, why does he seemingly not want to fight him again? Well, in their last match, he gave Taker three (fucking THREE) Pedigree's, a Tombstone, a DDT onto a chair, a spinebuster through a table, a chairshot to the head, several other chairshots AND more. And he still couldn't get the job done. Maybe HHH is having second thoughts on how he can beat him.

Not only that, but with all the talk of letting emotions cloud judgement, I'd say that, combined with what I've just stated, HHH knows that he's either going to eb the boss, or be an active superstar. I would be very, VERY suprised if this doesn't lead to HHH having to choose between his position as COO and fighting Taker. If Taker wants HHH badly enough (which he will, he's the Undertaker, he isn't going to let this go), then he's going to make HHH fight him. Maybe HBK gets brought into this again somehow, and Taker threatens HHH by assaulting HBK? Probably not, but it's looking like Taker is going to ahve to convince HHH somehow, and I doubt the word 'please' is going to come into it.

One thing that pops into my head is this. With HBK's matches, the first was your ordinary wrestling match, the second was pretty much no holds barred. The matchtype escalated the feud even more. With this occassion, they've already ahd a no holds barred match, so what next? They can't have a normal wrestling match next; for me, it'd feel like a step backwards, primarily because I can't see it being as good as HBK-Taker, or even HHH-Taker from X-7. It needs to escalate even more.

I might be on my own here, and I can assume the reaction I'm gonna get, but for me, the natural progression would be Hell in a Cell.

Now, hear me out. Name the two guys who have the best Cell records. HHH and Taker. They are synonymous with this type of match. And it is considered to be the true match to end feuds. Yes, it wouldn't be a classic, and I'll admit that it is very, VERY unlikely to hapen, but I just think it'd be the ultimate way to send Taker into 20-0. It'd give the match a new dynamic and add to the tension on it. Anyone else vs Taker in a Cell isn't mcuh fo a contest, but HHH has a very similar record in the Cell, and if people thought HHH could win last year, he certainly would have a bigger chance in the cell.

Now, some people believe that HHH will not be the opponent, and last night was just to add speculation as to who it'll be. In my opinion, there's three options; one of whom we've covered, one that is 99% not gonna happen, and one that would be good for nostalgia only, and certainly is the worst option and won't happen. Triple H, Chris Jericho and Mick Foley. The reason is simple; they are the only guys on the roster who legitimately have a chance.

Now, WWE COULD spend from now to Mania to build someone else up and take a chance, but even then it's still a huge risk. WWE will want to play this safe, and have Taker against a proven opponent, so the match is almost guaranteed to be good. Taker and HHH know eachothers strengths and weakness and what eachother are capable of. It's the smart choice. You put HHH's name next to Miz, Mark Henry, Barrett, and HHH's is the only one that stands out as being a threat (you could argue Henry, but I seriously don't see it.)

Time will tell, and we'll eventually see how this pans out. But I don't see this being anything other than HHH/Taker, one final time. But I'm still looking forward to how it goes down.

(apologies for the length)