WZ Tourney Semi Final: Bret Hart vs. Chris Jericho

[Shocky]

The following match is the Semi-Final of the Wrestlezone Tournament. The WWE Region winner faces off against the winner of the TNA. Keep in mind that this is the second match of the night as we are now into the King of the Ring style segment of the tournament. This match is from Houston TX, in Reliant Stadium.

Bret "The Hitman" Hart

vs.

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[Uncle Sam]

Bret Hart, obviously. What's my reasoning? He's just much better, that's my reasoning. People will produce thousands and thousands of words on why either guy should win this, going into analysis on preposteruous things, but the blunt fact is that Bret Hart is just head and shoulders above Chris Jericho.

 

[NSL]

I like Bret Hart. But, this match goes to Jericho. He's almost 100%, while Bret just had the match of the night against Rock. On even ground, I'd give this to Bret, but he's simply had too much taken out of him, and he won't be able to keep up with Jericho. This could still be exciting, and go right down to the wire, but the fresh man goes to the locker room as the victor.

 

[Uncle Sam]

Luckily, Bret is actually so many leagues above Jericho that he could probably be semi-conscious, half-blind and, indeed, crippled and he would still win. No, but seriously, the way some people were arguing for RVD, you'd imagine Jericho would be pretty breathless too. And yes, Bret is just that much better.

 

[Phoenix]

I think that given Jericho has the biggest squashing of RVD of the previous round, he's got the best chance go through to the final. I do think Bret will give it his all, but as him and The Rock had a close tough number, I just think that Bret won't have enough to compete with Jericho's atheletism and given he's fresh.

Yes, Bret is a King of the Ring, yes, Jericho was the first Undisputed Champion, but the one night that I feel gives Jericho the one up, Unforgiven 2008, he did an unsanctioned match against HBK and then took part in the Scramble to win the World Heavyweight Championship, yeah yeah I know he was barely in the Scramble, but he went from one extreme beating to a tough winning. Jericho has the speed, ring ability and thinking man's brain to win this number. Sorry Bret but you'll be the best another time, Lionheart will progress!

I just think Bret will make it tough match, giving the winner of the Taker/Edge match a good advantage.

 

[Mr. TM]

Bret Hart. Maybe my first post of this thread, but it is easily Bret. People who say Bret Hart is tired from facing The Rock don't know how the human body works. He is probably jacked the shit up.

 

[Jack-Hammer]

On equal ground, I give it to Bret Hart. Problem is, we're not on equal ground. As has been said, the Hitman just had a grueling match against the Rock. And while he did come out ahead, he did so only barely. He's got to be tired and sore.

I figured that Jericho would go over RVD, but I never expected it to be by a 3 to 1 margin. Jericho creamed RVD and is undoubtedly the fresher man. That's the primary reason why I have to give it to Jericho. While I think the Hitman is better overall and would win over Jericho on equal ground, Jericho would still give him a good match even if he was at 100%. Since he's nowhere close to it, given his narrow win, Jericho's freshness coupled with his overall ability would give him the win in this match.

 

[Mr. TM]

You mean the man that beat Razor Ramon in a 10 minute+ match, and then beat Mr Perfect and Bam Bam Bigalow in 20 minute matches to win his second King of the Ring tournament in as many years doesn't have the stamina to compete in another match and win after only being in one?

Wow, just wow.

The man that used to wrestle for 60 minute matches, get into a tiny bus with 10 other guys, and travel across Canada's prairies for the next night doesn't have the fucking endurance to compete?

The man who by this time is flaired up after making The Rock tap in an instant classic isn't ready for the next match?

Did you not watch Wrestlemania X? He competed against his brother in a classic match, then went on to win the title that very night?

 

[Hyorinmaru]

On equal ground, I give it to Bret Hart. Problem is, we're not on equal ground. As has been said, the Hitman just had a grueling match against the Rock. And while he did come out ahead, he did so only barely. He's got to be tired and sore.

I figured that Jericho would go over RVD, but I never expected it to be by a 3 to 1 margin. Jericho creamed RVD and is undoubtedly the fresher man. That's the primary reason why I have to give it to Jericho. While I think the Hitman is better overall and would win over Jericho on equal ground, Jericho would still give him a good match even if he was at 100%. Since he's nowhere close to it, given his narrow win, Jericho's freshness coupled with his overall ability would give him the win in this match.

I'm going by what the votes should have been. The votes in the RVD/Jericho match should have and would have been a lot closer that 100-34 so Jericho in reality would be just as winded and tired as Bret. As TM has shown for a lot of his career Bret wrestled at the least back to back days with nothing but the car ride in between and at the most 2 or 3 matches in the same night. All Jericho did was beat The Rock & Austin in the same night.

Vote Hart

 

[1C3-M4N]

Going with The Best there is. The best there was. The best there ever will be.

Brett Hart

People who use him just having a close match with The Rock as an excuse as him not being fresh enough to win is bogus.
Brett Hart was the innovator of the Iron Man match(which went into overtime), he has the endurance easily to put on another great match vs Y2J. He represents Canada more than Jericho and was one of the original great submissionist to put the style of wrestling on the map.
Does Jericho stand a chance?
Possibly but Brett will take this one from him.

 

[Mr. TM]

I think it was Murfish, or perhaps Tdigle that said it best. Or maybe it was none of them. Each one of those votes that Chris Jericho could have gotten over Rob Van Dam could have been a vote the individuals were reluctant to vote.

If we really want to talk about freshness, look at Wrestlemania IV. the tournament Wrestlemania. The finals pitted Randy Savage versus Ted DiBiase. Ted received the BYE before the match to get to the final. And look what happened. He lost. He was too confident in his freshness that he lost to the man who had just gotten out of a match and was still rarring to go. Bret Hart is to Randy Savage what Chris Jericho is to Ted Dibiase in this matchup.

 

[Jack-Hammer]

You mean the man that beat Razor Ramon in a 10 minute+ match, and then beat Mr Perfect and Bam Bam Bigalow in 20 minute matches to win his second King of the Ring tournament in as many years doesn't have the stamina to compete in another match and win after only being in one?

Yep, that's exactly what I mean. Because none of those guys are The Rock. Not that I'm a fan of the Rock, I voted for Bret Hart over him as a matter of fact, but he's head and shoulders above clowns like Scott Hall, Curt Hennig and Scott Bigelow.

 

[Jack-Hammer]

I'm going by what the votes should have been. The votes in the RVD/Jericho match should have and would have been a lot closer that 100-34 so Jericho in reality would be just as winded and tired as Bret. As TM has shown for a lot of his career Bret wrestled at the least back to back days with nothing but the car ride in between and at the most 2 or 3 matches in the same night. All Jericho did was beat The Rock & Austin in the same night.

Vote Hart

Yeah yeah, the old "so and so shouldn't have gotten this many votes" argument. I just think that a lot of people, me included, just don't buy into the whole RVD is a god thing. I've seen RVD. He's entertaining, but he's not this incredible dynamo that the IWC has tried to make him into. And no, I don't think Jericho would be nearly as winded as Bret Hart. As I said earlier, I'm not really a fan of the Rock, but he's head and shoulders above RVD. RVD is a spot monkey, a good one, but a spot monkey just the same. Loves the high risk moves. One big screw up is all it took for Jericho to capitalize.

 

[Mr. TM]

In what time period? At the time, all three were over pretty far. It is not like Bret Hart beat them when they were jobbers. A couple of years alter Bigelow would highlight a Wrestlemania. Scott Hall and Bret had been in a vicious feud at the time of the King of The Ring, both competing against each other for the title. Hennig himself was also in a great feud against Bret Hart before the tournament.

All in all, I think that in 1993, Curt Hennig, Scott Hall and Bam Bam Bigelow combined are better than The Rock

 

[Shocky]

If anyone is able of over coming the odds as far as stamina, it certainly is Bret Hart. However, Razor Ramon and Mr. Perfect are no Rock and Chris Jericho. Yes, what Hart did was impressive, but comparing two mid carders that never won the big one (AWA Championship was shit), against a 9 time and 5 time champion, especially one being the Rock, is an unfair comparison.

Jericho is a damn good talent, and I think he pushes Hart on a level playing field. Yes, it might have been tainted, but the man did manage to beat the Rock and Austin in one night, no matter how it was done, he is the only man to do it.

I think Hart can do it, but I'm on the fence myself either way.

 

[Skillz]

This match should easily go to Bret Hart. Who gives a flying fuck if Jericho had an easier match in the previous round? The fact is, Bret Hart is leaps and bounds a better professional wrestler than Chris Jericho, which alone should be enough to put him through, without having to look at who would win in kayfabe.

When Hart won the KotR in 1993, he went into the final match after already wrestling for 30 minutes against two top stars Razor Ramon and Mr. Perfect. His opponent Bam Bam Bigelow had wrestled only one match, against Hacksaw Jim Duggan, that lasted for only 5 minutes. The final match lasted another 20 minutes and guess who won? Bret Hart. If Bret Hart can go through all of that and still win, there is no doubt that he would beat Chris Jericho in this situation.

 

[titans]

The Hitman Bret Hart wins this.

Both can work an effective match using different styles.....Hitman has just done it longer and more effective (especially when it really counted)....CJ trained in the Hart Dungeon and knows his stuff....Not good enough to beat Bret on his best day.

 

[Fizzy]

Easy vote here. Hart is so much better than Jericho which for that reason he wins. Jericho is fresher but Hart is better. His endurance is legendary, and he is way to much for Jericho to handle.

 

[Jack-Hammer]

This match should easily go to Bret Hart. Who gives a flying fuck if Jericho had an easier match in the previous round? The fact is, Bret Hart is leaps and bounds a better professional wrestler than Chris Jericho, which alone should be enough to put him through, without having to look at who would win in kayfabe.

When Hart won the KotR in 1993, he went into the final match after already wrestling for 30 minutes against two top stars Razor Ramon and Mr. Perfect. His opponent Bam Bam Bigelow had wrestled only one match, against Hacksaw Jim Duggan, that lasted for only 5 minutes. The final match lasted another 20 minutes and guess who won? Bret Hart. If Bret Hart can go through all of that and still win, there is no doubt that he would beat Chris Jericho in this situation.

The fact that Jericho's match was easier is a relevent factor. That's why I give a flying fuck about it. Hart had a grueling match against the Rock last round, a match he barely won against a far superior wrestler than Scott Hall, Curt Hennig and Scott Bigelow. Comparing those rejects to a 9 time World Champion is a farce. Hart was really pushed by the Rock while Jericho basically strolled through the last round by beating RVD 3 to 1.

Also, let's give some credit where it's due as well. Jericho is no slouchJericho is also no slouch in the endurance department. As Shocky said, he went through Austin and the Rock in the same night. Jericho beat two of the biggest and the best of modern times.

As I said, I'd give this to Hart if it were on equal footing. The whole idea of this round, KOTR style rules, is to make endurance a relevant factor. Hart is very tired, Jericho isn't. Hart lost to a scrub like the Mountie with a temperature so it's not a stretch by any means to believe that a very tired Bret Hart would lose to a fresh 5 time World Champ like Jericho.

 

[Mr. TM]

The fact that Jericho's match was easier is a relevent factor.

A factor that has been proven wrong.

A.) Hart has great stamina

B.) He has proven multiple times that he can go long matches, he can wrestle multiple matches at the same night, and he can wrestle day in and day out. He can wrestle heavyweights, he can wrestle lightweights. He can wrestle tag teams, he can wrestle ladder matches, he can fight in cages, he can fight against bears (He is Canadian).

C.) Hart is full of adrenalin by this point.

D.) Jericho will be too cocky, just like you walking into this match.

That's why I give a flying fuck about it.

I knew there had to be a reason.

Hart had a grueling match against the Rock last round

Which he won

a match he barely won

You know Bret. Hyping the other guy up. Making the other guy look like God. That is called storytelling. Great in ring psychology.

against a far superior wrestler than Scott Hall, Curt Hennig and Scott Bigelow.

One wrestler versus three?

Comparing those rejects to a 9 time World Champion is a farce.

From Wikipedia
Scott Hall

* American Wrestling Association
o AWA World Tag Team Championship (1 time)[8] – with Curt Hennig

* Hardcore Wrestling Association
o HWA Intercontinental Championship (1 time, current)[citation needed]

* Pro Wrestling Illustrated
o PWI Match of the Year (1994)[95] vs. Shawn Michaels in a Ladder match at WrestleMania X
o PWI Most Improved Wrestler of the Year (1992)[96]
o PWI Tag Team of the Year (1997)[97] with Kevin Nash
o PWI ranked him #7 of the top 500 singles wrestlers of the year in the PWI 500 in 1994[98]
o PWI ranked him #72 of the top 500 singles wrestlers of the "PWI Years" in 2003[99]
o PWI ranked him #40 of the Top 100 Tag Teams of the "PWI Years" with Kevin Nash in 2003[100]

* United States Wrestling Association
o USWA Unified World Heavyweight Championship (1 time)[101]

* World Championship Wrestling
o WCW United States Heavyweight Championship (2 times)[4]
o WCW World Tag Team Championship (7 times)[6] – with Kevin Nash (6) and The Giant (1)
o WCW World Television Championship (1 time)[5]
o WCW World War 3 (1997)[7]

* World Wrestling Council
o WWC Caribbean Heavyweight Championship (1 time)[13]
o WWC Universal Heavyweight Championship (1 time)[82]

* World Wrestling Federation
o WWF Intercontinental Championship (4 times)[3]

* Wrestling Observer Newsletter awards
o Match of the Year (1994) vs. Shawn Michaels in a Ladder match at WrestleMania X

Curt Hennig

* American Wrestling Association
o AWA World Heavyweight Championship (1 time)[13]
o AWA World Tag Team Championship (1 time) [12] – with Scott Hall
* Future of Wrestling
o FOW Heavyweight Championship (1 time)[32]
* i-Generation Superstars of Wrestling
o i-Generation Heavyweight Championship (2 times)[33]
* Main Event Championship Wrestling
o MECW Heavyweight Championship (1 time)[34]
* Pacific Northwest Wrestling
o NWA Pacific Northwest Heavyweight Championship (1 time)[35]
o NWA Pacific Northwest Tag Team Championship (2 times)[36] – with Larry Hennig (1) and Buddy Rose (1)
* Pro Wrestling Illustrated
o PWI Most Improved Wrestler of the Year (1987)[37]
o PWI ranked him #9 of the top 500 singles wrestlers of the year in the PWI 500 in 1993[38]
o PWI ranked him #55 of the top 500 singles wrestlers of the "PWI Years" in 2003[39]
o PWI ranked him #98 of the Top 100 Tag Teams of the "PWI Years" with Scott Hall in 2003[40]

* World Championship Wrestling
o WCW United States Heavyweight Championship (1 time)[41]
o WCW World Tag Team Championship (1 time) [42] – with Barry Windham
* World Wrestling Council
o WWC Universal Heavyweight Championship (1 time)[43]
* World Wrestling Federation / World Wrestling Entertainment
o WWF Intercontinental Championship (2 times)[15]
o WWE Hall of Fame (Class of 2007)[1]
* Wrestling Observer Newsletter awards
o Most Improved (1983)

Bam Bam Bigelow

* Continental Wrestling Association
o AWA Southern Heavyweight Championship (1 time)

* Extreme Championship Wrestling
o ECW World Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
o ECW World Television Championship (1 time)

* NWA Northeast
o NWA Northeast Heavyweight Championship (1 time)

* New Japan Pro Wrestling
o IWGP Tag Team Championship (1 time) - with Big Van Vader

* Pro Wrestling Illustrated
o PWI ranked him #68 of the 500 best singles wrestlers of the "PWI Years" in 2003
o PWI ranked him #36 of the 100 best tag teams of the "PWI Years" with Big Van Vader in 2003

* Universal Superstars of America
o USA Heavyweight Championship (1 time)

* USA Pro Wrestling / USA Xtreme Wrestling
o USA Pro/UXW Heavyweight Championship (2 times)

* World Championship Wrestling
o WCW Hardcore Championship (1 time)
o WCW World Tag Team Championship (2 times) – with Diamond Dallas Page and Kanyon1

* World Class Wrestling Association
o WCWA Television Championship (1 time)

* World Wrestling Federation
o Slammy Award for Best Head (1987) with Gene Okerlund

* Wrestle Association R
o WAR World Six-Man Tag Team Championship (1 time) – with Hiromichi Fuyuki and Youji Anjoh

* Wrestling Observer Newsletter awards
o Rookie of the Year (1986)

Hart was really pushed by the Rock

Resistance creates strength

while Jericho basically strolled through the last round by beating RVD 3 to 1.

So he is cocky, beating a man who the people could have all though was just a little better. Don't judge a match on how many votes the other person got, it is not a comparable standing.

Also, let's give some credit where it's due as well. Jericho is no slouch

Nope. Remember that time he beat Triple H when Earl Hebner fast count?

Jericho is also no slouch in the endurance department.

He got a bit of training from Bret's Family. Of course he knows a little.

As Shocky said, he went through Austin and the Rock in the same night.

He beat the guy that Bret Hart beat last round?

Jericho beat two of the biggest and the best of modern times.

Not according to this tournament

As I said, I'd give this to Hart if it were on equal footing.

by miles.

The whole idea of this round, KOTR style rules, is to make endurance a relevant factor.

And luckily Hart isn't Vader or something.

Hart is very tired

He had a red bull

Jericho isn't

will be when he has to go home after getting beat down

Hart lost to a scrub like the Mountie with a temperature so it's not a stretch by any means to believe that a very tired Bret Hart

But he doesn't have Influenza in this tournament. It takes place in Houston, not Mexico.

would lose to a fresh 5 time World Champ like Jericho.

The 7 time World Champion Bret would not.

 

[Jack-Hammer]

A factor that has been proven wrong.

Why, just because you say so? Wow...must have a lotta pull. Hey, tell the Dow Jones to jump about 5,000 points on Monday. You'd be doing me a real solid.

A.) Hart has great stamina

I agree

B.) He has proven multiple times that he can go long matches, he can wrestle multiple matches at the same night, and he can wrestle day in and day out. He can wrestle heavyweights, he can wrestle lightweights. He can wrestle tag teams, he can wrestle ladder matches, he can fight in cages, he can fight against bears (He is Canadian).

I'd be impressed if you'd show me when he fought someone on the level of the Rock. But wait...hang on...he did have a few big matches with Shawn Michaels oh but...wait...he lost those...

C.) Hart is full of adrenalin by this point.

He'll be full of oxygen that he's sucking out of a tank since the Rock took him to the limit.

D.) Jericho will be too cocky, just like you walking into this match.

Is cocky the same thing as penisy?

I knew there had to be a reason.

Yep, afraid so. If I don't give a flying fuck, then what'll America's youth think of me?

Which he won

Yes I know that. My entire point is that he's so tired that Jericho can beat him. I'm sure I mentioned that once or twice already.

You know Bret. Hyping the other guy up. Making the other guy look like God. That is called storytelling. Great in ring psychology.

Ahhh so he likes getting likes getting the shit kicked out of him? I went to a club once where a pretty blonde'll smack you in the nuts with a boat paddle for $20. Think Bret's been there?

One wrestler versus three?

When those three include a fall down drunk, a coke fiend and a guy that got his ass handed to him by Lawrence Taylor, then yes. Absolutely.

From Wikipedia
Scott Hall



Curt Hennig




Bam Bam Bigelow

See post above. At the end of the day, Hall is still a fall down drunk, Hennig is a coke fiend and pillhead and Bigelow will still always be remembered as the man that was made into man-bitch by LT.

So he is cocky, beating a man who the people could have all though was just a little better. Don't judge a match on how many votes the other person got, it is not a comparable standing.

Again, is that the same thing as penisy? Don't judge a match on how many voters the other person got....ummm isn't that sorta part of the point of the tourney to begin with? I mean, I was under the impression votes in the tourney determined how far a guy went in the tourney.

Nope. Remember that time he beat Triple H when Earl Hebner fast count?

Uh huh, sure do. I also remember Jericho helping the Brooklyn Brawler beat Triple H. See, the guy's a giver.

He got a bit of training from Bret's Family. Of course he knows a little.

A little's all you need when your opponent's just been in a match that took him to the limit.

He beat the guy that Bret Hart beat last round?

Yep, sure did. Didn't have nearly as much trouble doing it as Bret did either.

Not according to this tournament

Oh I dunno, they did pretty well for themselves. The Elite Eight is nothin' to sneeze at. That means, by this tourney, they're one of the eight best right? Nothin' to be ashamed of.

by miles.

Maybe. But we're not on equal footing again. That's the whole point of the round's rules I think.

He had a red bull

Did it give him wiiings??? He'll probably need 'em to get away from the royal shitkicking he's about to receive, the tired old man.

But he doesn't have Influenza in this tournament. It takes place in Houston, not Mexico.

Nope, if he had Influenza then he'd have a valid excuse. "My tank's outta air" won't cut it I'm afraid.

The 7 time World Champion Bret would not.

You mean the same guy that lost the WCW United States Championship in Feb 1999 to broken down, 45 year old Roddy Piper? Then naw, I can't say I'm confident in Bret's chances agains a fresh guy that's been in top physical form his whole career. Even now, Jericho's pushin' 40 and looks like he's 30.

 

[Ryanhitman316]

In what time period? At the time, all three were over pretty far. It is not like Bret Hart beat them when they were jobbers. A couple of years alter Bigelow would highlight a Wrestlemania. Scott Hall and Bret had been in a vicious feud at the time of the King of The Ring, both competing against each other for the title. Hennig himself was also in a great feud against Bret Hart before the tournament.

All in all, I think that in 1993, Curt Hennig, Scott Hall and Bam Bam Bigelow combined are better than The Rock

Hey I just wanted to say that I love your picture with Vote For Canada. Overall, I agree with you. Chris Jericho is a good wrestler. But Chris Benoit is better than Jericho and we know that Benoit have beaten Jericho many times. Bret have beat Benoit, so it should be obvious that Bret can beat Jericho don't you think

 

[Mr. TM]

Why, just because you say so? Wow...must have a lotta pull. Hey, tell the Dow Jones to jump about 5,000 points on Monday. You'd be doing me a real solid.

Ill just go through your post for you and point out how many times you go off topic. #1.

I agree

Yet you don't think he can get through one match?

I'd be impressed if you'd show me when he fought someone on the level of the Rock. But wait...hang on...he did have a few big matches with Shawn Michaels oh but...wait...he lost those...

Goldberg?

He'll be full of oxygen that he's sucking out of a tank since the Rock took him to the limit.

#2

Is cocky the same thing as penisy?

#3

Yep, afraid so. If I don't give a flying fuck, then what'll America's youth think of me?

#4

Yes I know that. My entire point is that he's so tired that Jericho can beat him. I'm sure I mentioned that once or twice already.

And I disputed it. Magic.

Ahhh so he likes getting likes getting the shit kicked out of him? I went to a club once where a pretty blonde'll smack you in the nuts with a boat paddle for $20. Think Bret's been there?

#5

When those three include a fall down drunk, a coke fiend and a guy that got his ass handed to him by Lawrence Taylor, then yes. Absolutely.

The Chris Benoit Rule: Yes, it's the ugly little thing that wrestling fans are on one side of the fence or the other, Chris Benoit. This tournament is about wrestling, and the person in questions professional life, not their private life. Bringing up the Benoit Murders, the Hogan Family Circus, Steve Austin beating his wife, or anything really not relating to wrestling will get you an infraction, and eventually a banning from participation in the tournament. Try to keep the real life affairs out. If you find you can't vote for someone based on their real life issues, simply don't vote and stay away from matches those people are involved in.

You might want to delete that, or face an infraction.

and this vv

See post above. At the end of the day, Hall is still a fall down drunk, Hennig is a coke fiend and pillhead and Bigelow will still always be remembered as the man that was made into man-bitch by LT.

Again, is that the same thing as penisy?

#6

Don't judge a match on how many voters the other person got....ummm isn't that sorta part of the point of the tourney to begin with? I mean, I was under the impression votes in the tourney determined how far a guy went in the tourney.

Final vote count. I look at the matches that were faced, and not the men that they faced. Rob Van Dam is able to tire out Chris Jericho just as much as The Rock would tired out Bret Hart.

Uh huh, sure do. I also remember Jericho helping the Brooklyn Brawler beat Triple H. See, the guy's a giver.

I also remember a Wrestlemania job. If we want to compare Triple H and Chris Jericho.

A little's all you need when your opponent's just been in a match that took him to the limit.

Ever faced the 4:20 superstar, Mr. Money in the Bank, Mr. Monday Night?

Yep, sure did. Didn't have nearly as much trouble doing it as Bret did either.

Seem to remember Rock taking the title back from him.

Oh I dunno, they did pretty well for themselves. The Elite Eight is nothin' to sneeze at. That means, by this tourney, they're one of the eight best right? Nothin' to be ashamed of.

But Bret Hart is in the Final Four, as is Jericho.

Maybe. But we're not on equal footing again. That's the whole point of the round's rules I think.

Yes, you have to judge how tired a wrestler is. But you are judging way off.

Did it give him wiiings??? He'll probably need 'em to get away from the royal shitkicking he's about to receive, the tired old man.

Bret wasn't a "tired old man" in his prime.

Nope, if he had Influenza then he'd have a valid excuse. "My tank's outta air" won't cut it I'm afraid.

What?

You mean the same guy that lost the WCW United States Championship in Feb 1999 to broken down, 45 year old Roddy Piper? Then naw, I can't say I'm confident in Bret's chances agains a fresh guy that's been in top physical form his whole career. Even now, Jericho's pushin' 40 and looks like he's 30.

But he wasn't in his prime at the time, and was still competing against Goldberg.

 

[Fizzy]

I'd be impressed if you'd show me when he fought someone on the level of the Rock.

I'll just show the final part of the match.

[youtube]Fy5vsC2riBk [/youtube]

There's Bret beating quite arguably the greatest professional wrestler ever. Proof enough for ya?

 

[NSL]

Did you not watch Wrestlemania X? He competed against his brother in a classic match, then went on to win the title that very night?

In fact, I do remember it. Quite well...I was there.

Bret v Owen was a classic match. There's no denying that. But, Bret v. Yoko could be one of the worst 'Mania main events ever, if it wasn't topped (or bottomed?) the following year by LT v. Bam Bam. The match was really only cheered because Piper was in the ring, and because Yoko lost. It never got going, was never exciting, and bored a lot of us to tears. Owen is no Rock, and Yoko is certainly no Jericho.

Jericho wins this.