What Will Make You FINALLY Stop Watching TNA?

Thing is, we talk about an ex-WWE/WCW guy needing to be champ to lead the company and draw, but look at the ratings. Are they that higher now they have Anderson/Hogan etc than they were a couple of years back?

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Truth, people should compare the times Joe and AJ was champion with the ratings when a ex-wwe/wcw/ecw guy was champ, so we can see the big differences.
 
Truth, people should compare the times Joe and AJ was champion with the ratings when a ex-wwe/wcw/ecw guy was champ, so we can see the big differences.
While ratings are not the only measure of drawing power, I believe the ratings were lower when a guy like AJ Styles had the strap. I remember reading Quarter Hour break downs during the second half of AJ's run as the TNA World Champion and his segments/matches would often draw lower ratings than the rest of the show or equal, never the highest chunk of the show like a lot of Sting's work or the Immortal storyline he's involved in which has drawn over 1.3 and a 1.4 a couple of times recently.

Aside from ratings you need to look at merchandise, Pay-Per-View buys, House Show attendance and a bunch of other things. We don't have nearly enough information to properly judge whether an ex-WWE/WCW/ECW guy was a better draw as the World Champion than a homegrown guy. Now we can argue whether guys like Joe and AJ are homegrown. AJ Styles also came from WCW you know. Samoa Joe came into the company hot as hell because of Ring of Honor, so it's not like Joe and AJ (who along with Abyss are the only "homegrown" guys to win the TNA World Title I believe) were born in a six sided ring if you know what I mean.

So like I said - no one can really say who drew how much and how well, but you can take an educated guess. There's a reason why 99% of TNA's champions since day one were people who became famous in another company. Shamrock, Raven, Rhyno, Angle, Sting, Anderson, RVD, Christian Cage, Jeff Hardy, Mick Foley, Double J etc. Some of these guys held the belt multiple times while others like AJ and Joe didn't get anywhere near it for years after they last held it. That tells you something.

Why do you think WWE comes running back to Cena and Orton when it comes to their world titles and doesn't keep them on the younger guys for a long period of time and make them STAY in the Main Event? Swagger, Miz, Sheamus and before his whole deal with the contract - Punk. The World Title is meant to be in the possession of the biggest or one of the biggest draws on the roster. Period. That's what it always was and always will be. It's not for the best wrestler, it's not for the best talent. It's for the best draw. Henning never had the World Title. Razor never had the world title. They were awesome as hell but I suppose didn't draw squat. Same goes with AJ Styles, Samoa Joe, Dolph Ziggler, John Morrisson, CM Punk at one point, the list goes on and on. All people we all care about and love, but they just don't work for the company financially and that's the way it is.

Sting however - does. Angle - does. Cena - does. Orton - does. Not our favorites but that's what's great about pro wrestling, there are many people to choose from and like, and as far as I go if the people I like are featured on the program in a proper way I won't sit around and whine all day about how MY guy isn't holding the World Title while some old shit-ass from WCW or WWE is. It's a fucking prop, who gives a damn. It won't make him more entertaining, it won't make him less entertaining, it'll just make him weigh a little more.
 
I haven't been interested enough the last coupled of weeks to tune in or even watch the majority of Impact. Just not crazy about Joker Sting in the main event or Crimson, Gunner, and Devon winning matches over Bobby Roode, AJ Styles, and Samoa Joe. I will probably continue to watch until the major stars like Angle, AJ Styles, Beer Money, and Joe leave. Also, if Hogan or Bischoff somehow become the new TNA World Heavyweight Champion.
 
While ratings are not the only measure of drawing power, I believe the ratings were lower when a guy like AJ Styles had the strap. I remember reading Quarter Hour break downs during the second half of AJ's run as the TNA World Champion and his segments/matches would often draw lower ratings than the rest of the show or equal, never the highest chunk of the show like a lot of Sting's work or the Immortal storyline he's involved in which has drawn over 1.3 and a 1.4 a couple of times recently.

Aside from ratings you need to look at merchandise, Pay-Per-View buys, House Show attendance and a bunch of other things. We don't have nearly enough information to properly judge whether an ex-WWE/WCW/ECW guy was a better draw as the World Champion than a homegrown guy. Now we can argue whether guys like Joe and AJ are homegrown. AJ Styles also came from WCW you know. Samoa Joe came into the company hot as hell because of Ring of Honor, so it's not like Joe and AJ (who along with Abyss are the only "homegrown" guys to win the TNA World Title I believe) were born in a six sided ring if you know what I mean.

So like I said - no one can really say who drew how much and how well, but you can take an educated guess. There's a reason why 99% of TNA's champions since day one were people who became famous in another company. Shamrock, Raven, Rhyno, Angle, Sting, Anderson, RVD, Christian Cage, Jeff Hardy, Mick Foley, Double J etc. Some of these guys held the belt multiple times while others like AJ and Joe didn't get anywhere near it for years after they last held it. That tells you something.

Why do you think WWE comes running back to Cena and Orton when it comes to their world titles and doesn't keep them on the younger guys for a long period of time and make them STAY in the Main Event? Swagger, Miz, Sheamus and before his whole deal with the contract - Punk. The World Title is meant to be in the possession of the biggest or one of the biggest draws on the roster. Period. That's what it always was and always will be. It's not for the best wrestler, it's not for the best talent. It's for the best draw. Henning never had the World Title. Razor never had the world title. They were awesome as hell but I suppose didn't draw squat. Same goes with AJ Styles, Samoa Joe, Dolph Ziggler, John Morrisson, CM Punk at one point, the list goes on and on. All people we all care about and love, but they just don't work for the company financially and that's the way it is.

Sting however - does. Angle - does. Cena - does. Orton - does. Not our favorites but that's what's great about pro wrestling, there are many people to choose from and like, and as far as I go if the people I like are featured on the program in a proper way I won't sit around and whine all day about how MY guy isn't holding the World Title while some old shit-ass from WCW or WWE is. It's a fucking prop, who gives a damn. It won't make him more entertaining, it won't make him less entertaining, it'll just make him weigh a little more.

The thing is in this day and age, being the biggest draw is not as clear as say....Stone Cold putting the WWF on top when a few months ago they almost went out of business. We may say Cena sells a lot of merchs and that's why they make him champ but again is he selling merchs in his own or he is successful on this side of the biz because the WWE has put all their promotional machine behind him? Promotions these days be it the WWE or TNA do not have ground to stand on, they go back to the tried and true even though they shouldn't have to. The industry is down BECAUSE of the very fact that it's always the same formula and it's always the same guys on top. For the first time in a while the WWE is trying something with CM Punk and if they make him their guy and it works it would be the proof that always going back to Cena was a mistake. Sting maybe a star but it has zero effect on the success of TNA. They are 1.1 in rating. Put Joe or AJ....Hell put the World title on Alex Shelley and it would be still at 1.1. Nothing would move as far as PPV buyrates either. But at least it would be something new. Something you can build on for the futur.
 
The thing is in this day and age, being the biggest draw is not as clear as say....Stone Cold putting the WWF on top when a few months ago they almost went out of business. We may say Cena sells a lot of merchs and that's why they make him champ but again is he selling merchs in his own or he is successful on this side of the biz because the WWE has put all their promotional machine behind him? Promotions these days be it the WWE or TNA do not have ground to stand on, they go back to the tried and true even though they shouldn't have to. The industry is down BECAUSE of the very fact that it's always the same formula and it's always the same guys on top. For the first time in a while the WWE is trying something with CM Punk and if they make him their guy and it works it would be the proof that always going back to Cena was a mistake. Sting maybe a star but it has zero effect on the success of TNA. They are 1.1 in rating. Put Joe or AJ....Hell put the World title on Alex Shelley and it would be still at 1.1. Nothing would move as far as PPV buyrates either. But at least it would be something new. Something you can build on for the futur.
"At least it would be something new". Is this what wrestling is all about now? "Something new"? So TNA should simply strap the belt on someone not because of his drawing power or overall talent but just because. Because it's something new. That's a silly logic which slapped the WWE right back in their face mainly because they never built this someone new up. Yes, including The Miz. He sort of just ... happened.

Still, I feel like we're going to get this someone new at Bound for Glory. I know what you mean. The Main Event scene needs some consistent fresh faces. Can't be Angle and Sting for another 10 years, now can it? I just disagree with the idea of giving people the strap so it's "something new" instead of at least giving it to him because he deserves it. Swagger didn't deserve it. Miz didn't deserve it, not yet at least. Sheamus didn't deserve it. RVD didn't deserve it. Hell, even Anderson didn't deserve it. Getting the big one has its own place and time and can't just happen. When a new face is introduced I feel that it has to be special. It has to matter and it has to go to a person who we anticipate winning it like Robert Roode for example or even Matt Morgan but that's just me throwing my two cents out there.

Like you said, the only reason Cena is a draw is because WWE wanted him to be a draw and the fans ate it up as they always did. Not saying it's a WWE thing. It's a wrestling thing. If TNA got behind Alex Shelley like you pointed out and pushed him as crazy as possible, gave him the best storylines, put him on every piece of merchandise and booked him as a superhero people would get behind him. I don't remember anyone being a huge draw before getting the strap. Just enormous potential which was enhanced and developed BY giving him the strap such as Stone Cold, Rock, Triple H and so on instead of giving him the title without having any solid proof that this person can draw flies in a shit factory and expecting your fanbase to blindly perceive him as the shit because he has a shiny thing around his waist.

And TNA is a little bit over the 1.1 but whatever. I do feel, however, that once Sting and Kurt are gone and that's going to be fairly soon TNA already has a bunch of guys that are hot and ready for the Main Event like Roode, Morgan, AJ, Gunner and Crimson. Some potential candidates as well such as James Storm. That's a pretty good Main Event to me. We just have to wait for the legends to do their final work in TNA and retire. Then it's the younger guys' time. Unlike WWE, TNA is not dominated by one person who has at least 5 more years to go minimum.

Wait it out, they don't have much left, enjoy them while they're here. I certainly will. Always have. It's not like Sting and Angle suck.
 
"At least it would be something new". Is this what wrestling is all about now? "Something new"? So TNA should simply strap the belt on someone not because of his drawing power or overall talent but just because. Because it's something new. That's a silly logic which slapped the WWE right back in their face mainly because they never built this someone new up. Yes, including The Miz. He sort of just ... happened.

Still, I feel like we're going to get this someone new at Bound for Glory. I know what you mean. The Main Event scene needs some consistent fresh faces. Can't be Angle and Sting for another 10 years, now can it? I just disagree with the idea of giving people the strap so it's "something new" instead of at least giving it to him because he deserves it. Swagger didn't deserve it. Miz didn't deserve it, not yet at least. Sheamus didn't deserve it. RVD didn't deserve it. Hell, even Anderson didn't deserve it. Getting the big one has its own place and time and can't just happen. When a new face is introduced I feel that it has to be special. It has to matter and it has to go to a person who we anticipate winning it like Robert Roode for example or even Matt Morgan but that's just me throwing my two cents out there.

Like you said, the only reason Cena is a draw is because WWE wanted him to be a draw and the fans ate it up as they always did. Not saying it's a WWE thing. It's a wrestling thing. If TNA got behind Alex Shelley like you pointed out and pushed him as crazy as possible, gave him the best storylines, put him on every piece of merchandise and booked him as a superhero people would get behind him. I don't remember anyone being a huge draw before getting the strap. Just enormous potential which was enhanced and developed BY giving him the strap such as Stone Cold, Rock, Triple H and so on instead of giving him the title without having any solid proof that this person can draw flies in a shit factory and expecting your fanbase to blindly perceive him as the shit because he has a shiny thing around his waist.

And TNA is a little bit over the 1.1 but whatever. I do feel, however, that once Sting and Kurt are gone and that's going to be fairly soon TNA already has a bunch of guys that are hot and ready for the Main Event like Roode, Morgan, AJ, Gunner and Crimson. Some potential candidates as well such as James Storm. That's a pretty good Main Event to me. We just have to wait for the legends to do their final work in TNA and retire. Then it's the younger guys' time. Unlike WWE, TNA is not dominated by one person who has at least 5 more years to go minimum.

Wait it out, they don't have much left, enjoy them while they're here. I certainly will. Always have. It's not like Sting and Angle suck.

Wow dude, so much wrong with what you are saying. Like, more that usual. That said, I'm going to advise everyone from here on in to ignore anything to do with WWE that you said because it's incredibly inaccurate.

Just to clarify though, most promotions can tell who to push and whether to try them as a draw based on crowd reaction. If a performer gets the crowd to react, that person will most likely get opportunities to succeed. Can't do it? Sorry, so sad for you..........unless your name is Alberto Del Rio, then you get pushed anyway for some reason. Anywhoozer.......

You present this long diatribe with an obvious bias and you just make stuff up as you go along to make an argument, but you didn't address what the topic at hand is, which is "what would make you stop watching TNA". Would Devon winning the BFG series do it? How about another swervy swerve as the BFG series winner gets screwed in the Main Event of BFG. Would Immortal being "stronger than ever" at this point make you stop watching? I'm guessing no and for me, this answer is no as well.

While I sometimes may be critical of TNA, I've watched wrestling basically my whole life. As someone who doesn't take drugs, wrestling kind of IS my drug. I'll take it wherever I get it and I enjoy the opportunity to see different performers perform, even if I'm not into all the stories. I like to find guys to root for and hope somehow the talent I see is also seen by the promotion. It's fun and wrestling should be fun. We get so crazy on these forums about it and some people are just plain angry about wrestling all the time. Why? It's freakin wrestling! Relax and enjoy the show I say. Whether it be WWE, TNA, PCP, GRE, whatever other letters come out to stand for a wrestling show, why not watch it? Honestly, if I'm home and wrestling is on, I'm going to watch it. Although, if Hogan became champ, that would certainly test my mettle...........
 
If Hulk "The ******" Hogan stays on camera past Bound for Glory. Its about time he moved on instead of making himself look stupid each week.
 
TNA at the moment does put on some good matches which is kept me watching it up untill now but if the immortal storyline continues for much longer then that would be the final nail in the coffin for me as this storyline is complete rubbish and has been dragging on for to long but maybe if the sting vs hogan match happpens at BFG then that would be the end of this story.
 
I can remember the exact instant I gave up on TNA/IW. It was the Thursday after the revelation of the "THEY" angle, and I was disappointed; it had been a long-running fear of mine that the angle would prove to merely be a glory trip for Hulk + Eric, two people that think they "spike the needle" far harder than they do. But I gave it a chance, on the grounds of Jeff Hardy's heel turn.

(An aside: For those who remember the three-way match, ANY of the men involved could have easily fit into the Jeff Hardy role of company traitor. There had been no build for the Jeff Hardy heel turn, he was simply and suddenly the bad guy, which could have easily been Kurt Angle, and with hindsight being 20/20, Angle probably would have been the better choice. The program wasn't about Jeff Hardy's heel turn, it was about the heel turn of Hulk + Eric.)

But because of Jeff Hardy's heel turn, I gave it a chance. This was a big moment for Jeff Hardy; he was in the position where he could have been the focal figure for an entire wrestling company, as opposed to the WWE, where he was a guy that could be counted on to hold the belt when Cena had held it too long.

Then I got treated that Thursday night to a forty-minute Eric Bischoff promo, which did nothing to further the plot, but was an on-the-nose promo about how great he was. Jeff Hardy finally gets brought out, and is treated as an afterthought; he gets about 45 seconds on the microphone before passing it off. At that moment, I turned off my television, and haven't given much of a shit about watching TNA/IW since.

I still turn it on every now and then when I get bored on a Thursday night. One thing I'll give TNA/IW- they're a lot more fun to talk about than the WWE. TNA/IW is taking chances (and, more often than not, striking out) and doing things differently than the conventional wisdom. But I have no real interest in watching their programming; I see Sting dressed up like a character from a popular movie that gained cult status, and find no real reason to give a shit.
 
Wow dude, so much wrong with what you are saying. Like, more that usual. That said, I'm going to advise everyone from here on in to ignore anything to do with WWE that you said because it's incredibly inaccurate.

Just to clarify though, most promotions can tell who to push and whether to try them as a draw based on crowd reaction. If a performer gets the crowd to react, that person will most likely get opportunities to succeed. Can't do it? Sorry, so sad for you..........unless your name is Alberto Del Rio, then you get pushed anyway for some reason. Anywhoozer.......

You present this long diatribe with an obvious bias and you just make stuff up as you go along to make an argument, but you didn't address what the topic at hand is, which is "what would make you stop watching TNA". Would Devon winning the BFG series do it? How about another swervy swerve as the BFG series winner gets screwed in the Main Event of BFG. Would Immortal being "stronger than ever" at this point make you stop watching? I'm guessing no and for me, this answer is no as well.

While I sometimes may be critical of TNA, I've watched wrestling basically my whole life. As someone who doesn't take drugs, wrestling kind of IS my drug. I'll take it wherever I get it and I enjoy the opportunity to see different performers perform, even if I'm not into all the stories. I like to find guys to root for and hope somehow the talent I see is also seen by the promotion. It's fun and wrestling should be fun. We get so crazy on these forums about it and some people are just plain angry about wrestling all the time. Why? It's freakin wrestling! Relax and enjoy the show I say. Whether it be WWE, TNA, PCP, GRE, whatever other letters come out to stand for a wrestling show, why not watch it? Honestly, if I'm home and wrestling is on, I'm going to watch it. Although, if Hogan became champ, that would certainly test my mettle...........

Well, if you actually read the previous pages of the thread you'd notice that I said what would make me stop watching TNA. Clicky clicky! It does magical things!

And as far as your diatribe goes. You say I don't bring out any examples but then you type in your little verbal turds and you never give any examples. Click the spoiler tag if you want, people. There are a lot of WWE stuff here and some people don't want to read that.

What exactly is so "incredibly inaccurate" about the WWE things I said? Did the WWE Youth Movement work for the WWE? No. They wanted to create new stars and all they did in reality was make these guys more known with the audience, not stars. John Cena is a star. The Miz is a roster member. Their reception from the crowd is still the same or a bit better. The ratings are the same, the PPV buys ain't going up, House Shows are still doing good for the WWE but nothing's improving. Show me proof of the youth movement working. Showcasing people is not creating stars. Punk wasn't a star before his shoot promo thing. He is now. Use that as your template.

1. The Miz was the WWE Champion in a forgettable run sprinkled with fabricated phrases such as "The Era of Awesome" and "The most must see Champion in WWE History". There was nothing "awesome" about his reign and why the hell is the most must see Champion? I know wrestlers brag but usually there has to be some sort of fact that backs it up even if it's not COMPLETELY true, like Punk calling himself the best in the world. We know he's good, probably the best in WWE but not the world so there's some credence.

After his run with the title Miz started feuding with Alex Riley who would often whip his ass. It does a lot for Riley but not The Miz. The Miz's hype and character is barely protected right now and is on the verge of becoming what he was during his US Title run and that's anything but a Main Eventer. I don't think that he was at ANY point during his career, but holding the strap helped feed that notion that he's got it.

Not only that, he just lost to Rey Mysterio in that tournament thing who got beat by Cena, once again solidifying the fact that The Miz is nowhere near Cena's level. How are people supposed to take him seriously?

BUT, Miz isn't the worst out there when it comes to being a youth movement offspring. Actually, The Miz is the one they seem to care for the most and he's neither here nor there when it comes to being a star.

2. Jack Swagger on the other hand was stripped off of everything that made him good when he won the belt, became just another Jericho clone and just a headache to deal with. The only saving grace was his awesome promo against Show where Show would wreck his awards and everything. Other than that, Swagger has been nothing, done nothing and said nothing of any importance. He was jobbing to Santino a week or so before he won the title and since he lost it he's been nowhere near a Main Event spot like before. It didn't work out for the WWE and I understand that, but I'm just trying to prove a point. The point of WWE's youth movement slapping them back because they chose the wrong people to include in it.

3. Sheamus is another failed lab experiment who didn't work for the WWE. BASICALLY what it was is Triple H liked the guy, gave him the belt in a jiffy, he did nothing with it, dropped it eventually and started coasting. Beating Bourne, losing to Bourne, beating JoMo, losing to JoMo, winning King of the Ring, failing miserably with a "King" gimmick. Basically right now he's doing the same things he would've if he never won the WWE title two freaking times. Does that seem like his push was worthed? Did it work? Don't think so.

4. Then you have the never was's. Del Rio, Truth, Ziggler.

Rio was doing just fine until he won the Royal Rumble. Then it went downhill for the poor bloke because his World Title match ended up being the opener, he didn't win it and then went on to do some nice things here and there and some suckers too, but generally he's been kept alive and I must say he's the only person who is being "maintained" by the WWE.

Truth on the other hand went from a very entertaining heel on the mic who made me believe he could possibly beat Cena, to a guy who lost after a kid poured water on him and was then turned into this moron who talks to other people and whines about a conspiracy and is more of comedy relief than anything else and I'm sitting there double face palming. The push made him more important, but where is his character going? What the hell is going on? Let's keep it simple guys. Killings is good enough. Just give him a mic and let him wrestle. No schizo stuff, please.

Ziggler on the other hand is another guy who the WWE squatted all over. You know the deal. Sticking him what that beast Vickie, 34 second title reigns - not good. Not good at all. Still, he's being kept relatively alive, but nowhere near a star of any kind.

Now, as far as the promotions pushing people because of their crowd reaction. That is true and is a neat way to find out who's over or not. But how in the hell is TNA supposed to do that in the Impact Zone? Eh? Let's face it, these idiots cheer for ... well I don't think even they know what they cheer for, IF they cheer at all. Remove the piped crowd noises and you have yourself a graveyard. Not TNA's fault, it's not that the show is bad, it's just that a lot of these people are there EVERY week and they're burned out. The excitement of most likely seeing these people for your first or second time is gone. The rest of the crowd are a bunch of people who I doubt even like wrestling to begin with, or if they ever did they don't chant. They're not into the product, they're by-standers.

That being said, the crowd thing will work once TNA gets the hell out of the IZ. Until then they'll have to trust the numbahz. If they did trust the IZ, though, Red wouldn't have been fired, he'd end Hogan, Sting, Angle, Flair and Steiner's careers in the same night.

I'm not getting angry over anything, brah. Never have, never will. I was simply discussing a few things with another poster in a calm manner (calmer than usual), you saw I jabbed the WWE a few times and the shit hit the fan. You have a WWE insults detector! YOU IZ A ROBAT!!!!

I'm relaxed. You should be too. Wrestling rules!
 
Well, if you actually read the previous pages of the thread you'd notice that I said what would make me stop watching TNA. Clicky clicky! It does magical things!

And as far as your diatribe goes. You say I don't bring out any examples but then you type in your little verbal turds and you never give any examples. Click the spoiler tag if you want, people. There are a lot of WWE stuff here and some people don't want to read that.

What exactly is so "incredibly inaccurate" about the WWE things I said? Did the WWE Youth Movement work for the WWE? No. They wanted to create new stars and all they did in reality was make these guys more known with the audience, not stars. John Cena is a star. The Miz is a roster member. Their reception from the crowd is still the same or a bit better. The ratings are the same, the PPV buys ain't going up, House Shows are still doing good for the WWE but nothing's improving. Show me proof of the youth movement working. Showcasing people is not creating stars. Punk wasn't a star before his shoot promo thing. He is now. Use that as your template.

1. The Miz was the WWE Champion in a forgettable run sprinkled with fabricated phrases such as "The Era of Awesome" and "The most must see Champion in WWE History". There was nothing "awesome" about his reign and why the hell is the most must see Champion? I know wrestlers brag but usually there has to be some sort of fact that backs it up even if it's not COMPLETELY true, like Punk calling himself the best in the world. We know he's good, probably the best in WWE but not the world so there's some credence.

After his run with the title Miz started feuding with Alex Riley who would often whip his ass. It does a lot for Riley but not The Miz. The Miz's hype and character is barely protected right now and is on the verge of becoming what he was during his US Title run and that's anything but a Main Eventer. I don't think that he was at ANY point during his career, but holding the strap helped feed that notion that he's got it.

Not only that, he just lost to Rey Mysterio in that tournament thing who got beat by Cena, once again solidifying the fact that The Miz is nowhere near Cena's level. How are people supposed to take him seriously?

BUT, Miz isn't the worst out there when it comes to being a youth movement offspring. Actually, The Miz is the one they seem to care for the most and he's neither here nor there when it comes to being a star.

2. Jack Swagger on the other hand was stripped off of everything that made him good when he won the belt, became just another Jericho clone and just a headache to deal with. The only saving grace was his awesome promo against Show where Show would wreck his awards and everything. Other than that, Swagger has been nothing, done nothing and said nothing of any importance. He was jobbing to Santino a week or so before he won the title and since he lost it he's been nowhere near a Main Event spot like before. It didn't work out for the WWE and I understand that, but I'm just trying to prove a point. The point of WWE's youth movement slapping them back because they chose the wrong people to include in it.

3. Sheamus is another failed lab experiment who didn't work for the WWE. BASICALLY what it was is Triple H liked the guy, gave him the belt in a jiffy, he did nothing with it, dropped it eventually and started coasting. Beating Bourne, losing to Bourne, beating JoMo, losing to JoMo, winning King of the Ring, failing miserably with a "King" gimmick. Basically right now he's doing the same things he would've if he never won the WWE title two freaking times. Does that seem like his push was worthed? Did it work? Don't think so.

4. Then you have the never was's. Del Rio, Truth, Ziggler.

Rio was doing just fine until he won the Royal Rumble. Then it went downhill for the poor bloke because his World Title match ended up being the opener, he didn't win it and then went on to do some nice things here and there and some suckers too, but generally he's been kept alive and I must say he's the only person who is being "maintained" by the WWE.

Truth on the other hand went from a very entertaining heel on the mic who made me believe he could possibly beat Cena, to a guy who lost after a kid poured water on him and was then turned into this moron who talks to other people and whines about a conspiracy and is more of comedy relief than anything else and I'm sitting there double face palming. The push made him more important, but where is his character going? What the hell is going on? Let's keep it simple guys. Killings is good enough. Just give him a mic and let him wrestle. No schizo stuff, please.

Ziggler on the other hand is another guy who the WWE squatted all over. You know the deal. Sticking him what that beast Vickie, 34 second title reigns - not good. Not good at all. Still, he's being kept relatively alive, but nowhere near a star of any kind.

Now, as far as the promotions pushing people because of their crowd reaction. That is true and is a neat way to find out who's over or not. But how in the hell is TNA supposed to do that in the Impact Zone? Eh? Let's face it, these idiots cheer for ... well I don't think even they know what they cheer for, IF they cheer at all. Remove the piped crowd noises and you have yourself a graveyard. Not TNA's fault, it's not that the show is bad, it's just that a lot of these people are there EVERY week and they're burned out. The excitement of most likely seeing these people for your first or second time is gone. The rest of the crowd are a bunch of people who I doubt even like wrestling to begin with, or if they ever did they don't chant. They're not into the product, they're by-standers.

That being said, the crowd thing will work once TNA gets the hell out of the IZ. Until then they'll have to trust the numbahz. If they did trust the IZ, though, Red wouldn't have been fired, he'd end Hogan, Sting, Angle, Flair and Steiner's careers in the same night.

I'm not getting angry over anything, brah. Never have, never will. I was simply discussing a few things with another poster in a calm manner (calmer than usual), you saw I jabbed the WWE a few times and the shit hit the fan. You have a WWE insults detector! YOU IZ A ROBAT!!!!

I'm relaxed. You should be too. Wrestling rules!

Fair enough, and you know I love ya. Hell, I promised to find you pussy in NYC so I must not hate ya! I just felt that the topic of "what will make you stop watching TNA" shouldn't necessitate mentioning WWE stuff. I mean I love your jaded opinions and they are always fun to read and chuckle about, but it's sometimes a bit much that every TNA thread turns into making these comparisons. It's not just you obviously, but I just don't get why a TNA forum can't discuss, oh I don't know.......TNA!

You know I use examples when I need to. In fact, I probably use too many as it's always good to support your thoughts when making an argument. In this case, I wasn't going to get into an argument over a WWE wrestler's build towards a title run when it simply shouldn't be the topic at hand. I got into the topic the thread was about instead and I answered that. Then I went to bed. I think.

Anyway, point stands that neither you or I are going anywhere as far as watching TNA is concerned so yeah, don't expect to get away with over the top posts when you know I'll be around! Peace brotha!
 
I finally have stopped watching. I put up with such an infrquent product for 3 years and I finally run out of patience. Never watched Hard Justice, never watched the Impact after. I now just read spoilers, which is somethign I would never do if I was going to watch the show.

The reasons:
1) I hate the whole 'control of Impact' storyline which has been going on in TNA/Impact since the Main Event Maffia days. It is just horrible. Faceturns and Heel turns happen completely out of the blue with little to no reasonable explanation. It's such an old concept that hasn't been done well. Stables are fine, but the huge wad of forever changing members of immortal is just ill concieved and confusing.

2) I have no emotional attachment to anyone in the company. Don't get me wrong I love Styles, Beer Money, MCMG, Samoa Joe. But I have no faith that TNA will be able to present these stars in a good light and push them to the forefront, in well constructed storylines when the main part of the show is about immortal. The looming Flair/Sting/Hogan thing is also somethign I have no time for.

3) I absolutely hate Ken Anderson with a passion. It's no wonder the WWE edited him and told him what to say, the guy's a fuckign idiot who can't sell a story for shit because he's to busy trying to amuse the audience wiht toilet jokes.

I also have no interest in the people they are pushing to the front. Gunner, Crimson, Hogan, Flair, Bischoff. Absolutely nothing for them.
 
I don't like TNA because of the long promos. The promos are unintresting and puts people to sleep. I also don't like how TNA seems to bring up a new faction when a old one dies out. I occasionly watch it, but not every week. The last time I saw TNA was probably in March.
 
when one of their top guy's fucks a dead corpse
when dixie gives birth to a hand
when they exploit one of their recently dead stars
when a midget wins the x-division title
when hogan fakes his death
when bischoff finds out he has a bastard child
when eric young eats his dead dog
oops!... wrong company
 
I don't watch TNA that much, but I'd never watch it again if Gunner or Crimson became the top guy in the company & held the TNA Title. I honestly never liked those two, & thought they werent very good in the ring & on the mic, but that's just my opinion.
 
I don't watch TNA that much, but I'd never watch it again if Gunner or Crimson became the top guy in the company & held the TNA Title. I honestly never liked those two, & thought they werent very good in the ring & on the mic, but that's just my opinion.

I can sort of see where you're coming from with that as I stopped watching WWE regularly when Seamus became champ and then lost all interest when Miz did. If Gunner or Crimson won the World Title a couple of months ago, I would see your point, but if they continue to be built how they have and win the Title in 6 months or so time, I can't see the logic in what you've said. I'm not personally a fan of Samoa Joe but if he continues going how he has and ends up winning the Title, I won't stop watching, because at least it would be realistic.
 
honestly i like TNA but i am not very interested in the main story right now, so i think the thing that would get me to stop watching TNA is if there knockouts or X-divisoin went really far downhill.
 
Nothing honestly. There have been many times where I told myself that I would stop watching...and I kept doing it.
Hogan could win the TNA World Title by defeating AJ Styles in a squash match, but I still would watch for some strange reason
 
If they got rid of the goddesses that are Velvet Sky or Mickie James, it would be over just like that. You hear me TNA, over !
 
Well I have only been watching it since 07, so I missed seeing 04-06 live (which apparently were their best years); but I've seen matches from that era.

But if this awful Immortal angle continues past BFG'11, I'll just be reading the spoilers each week. Also, it better have a conclusion too, not like the MEM angle which just fizzled out. I'm sick of TNA and their angles that just draaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaagggggggg. If there's ANOTHER faction after this, then I won't even bother with the spoilers. Planett Jarrett, MEM vs Frontline, Immortal and Fortune, all the same boring recycled stuff that overstayed it's welcome by 6 months, completely boring me as a viewer and most importantly - a fan.

I only got intrested in TNA due to the X Division and how different it was to anything that WWE offered. The matches with the likes of Samoa Joe, Daniels and AJ Styles were awesome and very much different action to anything in WWE.

I don't have an issue with TNA using old WWE stars as long as they catch them at a point where they can still offer something. They need to be able to work more with the TNA grown talent.

As for Hulk Hogan - I preferred him when he was talking about how great the talent in TNA was and the heel Hogan of now doesn't do much for me at all. He's still the biggest name in the company but frankly we don't need to see him half as much as we do. He can't wrestle any more and his need to be in the main event all the time is just a bit sad. A bit like a boxer who doesn't know when to retire.
 
Nothing will make me stop watching TNA. Look, they could get rid of all their original talent (including the knockouts) and it would still better than all the WWE can produce these days.
 
I don't watch their product regularly at all anymore. In 2005 and 2006 I bragged about TNA. How awesome they were and how they focused on wrestling over entertainment unlike wwe. Then in late 2006 that all changed when Vince Russo came aboard and wrestling wasn't the focus anymore. When Hulk Hogan came in 2010 I was excited and thought that he would change it for the better, but it was still the same old shit and the ratings have not gone up that much. How wrong was Hogan when he said that TNA would do ratings in the 3s huh? Almost two years later and they never got higher than a 1.5 lol. As long as Russo is on there it won't and to me it will suck.
 
If it wasn't for the fact that i've got nothing to watch on thursday night, i wouldn'T even bother to watch TNA anymore. Sure they have some good matches but the main event programs are getting really ridiculous. I'm sorry but as much as i respect Sting, i really don'T want do see him wrestler Flair and Hogan (2 Guys that i lost a lot of respect for). Kurt is becoming more and more irrelevant as a main eventer, Mr Anderson i couldn'T care less about him right now and who want to See Jeff Hardy try to wrestles without hurting somebody.


Another thing that made me want to stop watching TNA was the lack of Tag team wrestling and the complete waste of the knockout division.

TNa makes me remember what i hated about the dying years of WCW, The booking makes no sense, they don'T cares about PPV and they give to me PPV quality matches on free TV. Sting vs Angle for the TNA Title should have been a PPV match so is Anderson vs Angle for the Belt. Sting vs Flair should have been a PPV match also instead of a free match on IMPACT.

Next week, the new fall season start and i'm finally getting something to watch at 9:00 and i'm going to be able to continue to not watch IMPACT. Too Bad because i really love what going on with the X-division.
 

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