They are Hardy, Jarrett, Abyss, Hogan and Bischoff; The Immortals

[DJImpact1]

So Sting's a heel, The Pope's a heel. Jeff Hardy seemingly is now a heel along with Jeff Jarrett, Hogan and Bischoff? This is stupid, it really is and this is exactly why I don't like watching TNA.

I would guess that it obviously appeared to TNA viewers that Pope/Nash/Sting were now heels/turning heel, due to their renegade-like protest about what Bischoff/Hogan was up to.

Since Bischoff/Hogan/the "they" gang were proven to be as crooked as Pope/Nash/Sting kept trying to point them out to be, I'm guessing that this would justify having TNA viewers look at Sting/Pope as faces now (since they were right & basically looking out for TNA as a company) & can justify having Kevin Nash leave by saying "I've done some bad things in my career and have seen things go down before, but I can't work in a company that has a bunch of guys trying to relive a WCW takeover and not have anyone except Sting & Pope listen to what I've been trying to say all along. I'm done with this b.s."

Maybe this will eventually force Dixie to apologize to Sting for suspending him and will see her trying to back Sting and/or Pope (as faces) to beat Hardy for the belt. Possibly one last big push on Sting for the championship?

How many people are gonna get pissed off if Hogan comes out and cuts a promo about being better than all these pathetic indie stars and how Hogan is bigger than wrestling...

Exactly...with the inclusion of Hardy/Anderson/RVD/Shannon Moore, even a potentially great faction as Fortune can't get the deserved spotlight. Blame? Hogan for "bringing in the 'big' guys".

The "takeover" angle is so overabused at this point in the industry. From what I can recall, hasn't the nWo, Evolution, Nexus, Hart Foundation (1997), Shane McMahon's WCW, the Alliance, & original ECW (1995/1996 into the WWF) all had their respecitve missions of "taking over" most of the "power" of, if not the whole company they work for?

I don't care if it is professional wrestling...if you have a bunch of guys rebelling to try and "take over" a company they work for, why not just kick their asses to the curb/get restraining orders/make their careers miserable until they quit? I'm so ***-damn sick of groups trying to "take over" a company or the company's balance of power.

Enclosing, I enjoyed TNA for guys like A.J., Daniels, Matt Morgan, Hernandez, Joe. Since the Hogan/Bischoff arrival, now look at these guys...#1 PWI-ranked now "TV champ", gone from the company, an "insurance policy" (a la Mr. Hughes/Sid), "on loan" in Mexico, former champ stuck in the mid-card. It's pathetic, and though I will still watch TNA (because after leaving WWE programming a few months back & reading what's going on, I certainly am not missing anything there) they've already managed to sour my opinion of the company in 1.5 years time due to their misguided focus on ex-WWE & ECW guys & their new stale storyline of "they".

 

[EStreet]

How will the explain Abyss trying to choke Hogan with his own HOF Ring and EB messing with JJ for months....was that part of all of this, or just more garbage that will be dismissed - the storyling has many gaps, they better fill them if they want to be realistic

 

[Genius_Deadman]

How will the explain Abyss trying to choke Hogan with his own HOF Ring and EB messing with JJ for months....was that part of all of this, or just more garbage that will be dismissed - the storyling has many gaps, they better fill them if they want to be realistic

i think that's where the Deception plays in. they were basically deceiving Dixie into a point where she feared for her safety and had to trust Hogan and Bischoff to take care of business. Instead, that's how they take advantage of her.

i don't think it has holes, it's just a thing where now the viewers have to buy a "we took 'one' for the team so we can get what we wanted" type deal.

 

[ZeroVX]

OK, the number of people defending this angle is just mind-blowing. How can anyone say that this was a good idea? Really, how? Let's just look at all the ways people have defended this:

"It was shocking/unexpected". Whoopdy-fucking-do. You know what else would be shocking? If after the fiasco happened, Kurt Angle got up, took a dump in the middle of the ring, and walked out, never to return. And sadly, it would make more sense than what happened! Anyone can write something shocking, but that doesn't mean it's good. It needs to be shocking AND make sense for it to be good.

"It's just like *insert supposedly good angle here*". How can you not see the problem there? It's been done before. It's old and predictable. But let me go over some examples:

Austin's Heel Turn At WMXVII: That was explained and it made sense. Austin cut a promo with The Rock, talking about how badly he wanted, no, NEEDED to beat The Rock. So him siding with his former enemy to beat The Rock does make sense. And that happened in the weeks leading up to Wrestlemania, so it was fresh in everyone's minds. And even so, guess what? People hated Austin as a heel. They hated him as a heel both before and after The Alliance, so you're not helping your case here.

The Higher Power Angle: Really? You're really going to use that as your example? I find it incredibly ironic that TNA fans are using an angle that only the WWE considers historic as a way to help their case. Everyone else, however, hated it, because it made no sense. Vince hated Austin so much that he allied with someone who kidnapped his daughter and hung one of his stable members inside a Hell in a Cell? Sure, Vince is such a heel that it makes perfect sense. Except that the Ministry was feuding with the Corporation for control of the company, so no, it actually doesn't.

The nWo: You know why this worked at first? Because Hogan cut a promo and explained his reasoning IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE TURN. And it also worked because the explanation made sense, that the elite members of wrestling at the time were looking to take over. The problem here is that nothing is different. It's the "elite" of TNA, suddenly turning heel, only this time, no reasoning behind it. No, we have to wait until IMPACT, which in itself is a problem. And even with the nWo, it stopped working because it was shoved into people's faces long after they stopped caring.

Those were the ones I heard most prominently. Please, please try an angle that actually succeeded.

"Hardy will have Hogan and Bischoff to talk, so he can work as a heel!". So the guy who just won the world title and is now the top guy in the company is going to take a backseat to Hogan and Bischoff? And this is good....how?

"Hogan and Bischoff won't do much". Oh, come on. Who are you trying to kid? It's two of the most egotistical men in wrestling history. Yeah, they're going to be content with just standing in the back and letting the other members do all the talking. Right.

"It makes sense if you go back to this and this and this from 8 months ago". OK, first of all, do you really think Hogan and the like are actually going to bring some degree of continuity into this? The typical wrestling rule is "if it happened more than 3 months ago, it didn't happen". And you expect HOGAN to bring this stuff back up? Second, hunting for hints and clues from segments that were done long before this was even thought up does not mean this will make any degree of sense. IF they reference something from a while back, I can guaran-damn-tee that a good portion of the people watching will just cry "BULLSHIT".

"If we watch IMPACT, it'll all be explained". This is the real problem here. Bound For Glory is supposed to be TNA's answer to Wrestlemania. That means all the big angles end there and the foundation for the new angles are laid down. All the answers are supposed to be given there. We're not supposed to walk away from it more confused than we were going in! For God's sake, I don't even know where Nash, Sting, and Pope stand! Are they face? Heel? Will they even factor in when this gets going? What about Fourtune, who were the heel stable before now? Are they going to feud with THEY, lose, and then go nowhere? Gee, why does that sound familiar? Oh, yeah, nWo VS Four Horsemen ended exactly like that.

But I could get over all of that if this wasn't just an excuse to get more ratings for IMPACT. This shows that Eric Bischoff has learned nothing from his mistakes in WCW. Back then, he would throw away big-time PPV-worthy storylines on Nitro, just to get that last ratings spike. In doing so, he threw away what could've been millions in PPV buys. Same situation here. Bischoff is so concerned with people watching IMPACT that he didn't finish the storyline at BFG (again, supposedly their biggest PPV) and just said "sorry, tune in to our show to find out more!" It shows that he is not capable of running a wrestling company. I wouldn't be surprised to find out that the real reason people were throwing trash in the ring was because they felt ripped off. I certainly would've.

 

[slappy5524]

I am not really surprised that Hogan & Bischoff made a heel turn. Who is? The hospital footage last Thursday disclosed who part of "they" were. I'm surprised that EB waited this long. Lets face it; no one is a better heel spokesman than Bioschoff.

Up to that point, I thought part of "they" might be Rowdy Roddy Piper (he was in a movie called They Live). The feud between Abyss & Hogan was a red herring. Further, Jarrett joining makes perfect sense in that it was his company to start with. I have never really cared for Hardy one way or the other.

What happens next?

Dixie will be humiliated & want to even the score w/ Hulk. Who better than Sting and Flair? After all, those two have put up w/ his nonsense the longest.

Who would be in Sting's posse? Pope is a lock. Lets say Nash retires. Due to recent feuds, Its unlikely (not impossible) that RVD joins Sting & Pope. I won't rule out Angle but given the way the Main Event Mafia ended its not realistic. Anderson aligning w/ Sting & Pope is a given.

A shaky alliance between Fortune & Sting's group could work for awhile. Hopefully, long enough to keep from completely having nWo redo.

Joe? No. I can see him being an army of one and taking out anyone who gets in his way.

 

[Mitch Henessey]

I was speechless when "They" we're revealed last night. But I wasn't too upset, because I know there aren't too many big name free agents left in the world of pro wrestling, and a good bunch of the wrestlers who are free agents or retired have already declared their loyalty to Vince McMahon and the WWE.

TNA did build this up in a huge way for months, and we were all anxious to see who "They" were. TNA did have me fooled as far as Hogan goes. I seriously thought he wasn't going to show last night. When his music hit, I started to become suspicious. Then, when him and Bischoff faced off against each other with the crutches, I just knew the turn was coming.

Bischoff and Hogan will probably do the majority of the talking for this stable, because Hardy's mic skills aren't all that good. Abyss will be the muscle, and Jarret will probably play some sort of enforcer role, but I don't see him being as intimidating as Abyss.

Then there's the new TNA World Champion, Jeff Hardy. Hardy's look and persona might be dark and creepy, but I just don't know if the fans are going to want to hate him. Also, I don't see Jeff wrestling that much. We're probably going to see a lot his title matches end in DQs or there will be some kind of over the top stipulations that will be put in place to stack the odds against the challenger. I'm also wondering if Hogan and Bischoff will overshadow Hardy as the champion. I know Jeff is obviously the chosen one, but this whole "They" story is about power, and as I said before, Hardy isn't the best talker in the business, so it'll be interesting to see how much focus they put on him.

The explanation for all of this on Impact is going to be crucial, and I can't wait to hear it. Also, who's going to be the hero in all of this? Sting was the one who went up against Hulk Hogan and the NWO at Starrcade 1997, so who is going to be the savior this time around? We already know Nash is on his way out, Sting is getting up there in age, so could it be The Pope? He really hasn't seen a big push since Lockdown, and I don't know if he's going to be the guy. AJ is a heel, and he's currently a member of Fortune. The only other hero candidates I can think of are Mr.Anderson and Kurt Angle. I think a stable with Pope, Angle, Sting, and Anderson will form very soon. They're going to join forces, and take down the newly formed evil empire. I think Sting or Angle might be the lead guy, and it would make sense, because they would be the two veterans of the group, and both of them have pretty good mic skills. You also have to wonder what role Dixie will play in all of this. Again, there's a lot that needs to be explained, and I can't wait to hear this story on Thursday.

 

[Brainbustaaaaahhhhh!!!!!]

I will be upfront with you; I do not watch TNA on a regular basis. However, for some strange reason, I decided to watch Bound for Glory on 10-10-10. What you will read from here on out are my thoughts and opinions; do not take my words as Gospel.

Well, I went to order the PPV. Luckily, I did not order it right away because the live stream was a no go for BFG. Thank you for sharing this just minutes before the PPV, TNA; I would not have known this had it not been for a post at WF. That did not start the night off on a good note.

Sadly, I had to do it. I found a free live stream.

I will admit that Generation Me is a solid tandem whenever they wrestle, but I find a lot of their work—high spot after high spot—a little annoying. Also, the faces they were making after the 159th nearfall were just hideously gay looking. Yes, GenMe can “go” in the ring, but that is about all they have, in my opinion. MCM, on the other hand, do bring personality, style, and substance. It was a good match, but there were far too many nearfalls for the opening match. I know some people love this type of wrestling, but I want a finisher to mean something again. You know, not every move has to be an OMG DRIVER! I think my biggest issue was the no-selling and nearfalls.

Now I’m going to pretty much be a dick; I am totally going to skip the Knockouts match. I don’t care for ‘em. I want to watch wrestling, and very few women on the TNA roster can actually do that. I do understand this isn’t SHIMMER, but if Tara can “go”, why not let her wrestle? Hamada is the best thing going for women’s wrestling in TNA. Once again, this is my opinion.

Young/Jordan segment was funny, I will admit that. However, I do not get the point of the match at all, unless this Young/Jordan angle continues. I thought the Knockout match was the only time I would get up to piss, well, this bout was a “piss and coffee break” type of match.

Williams is an awesome wrestler, and Lethal really brings a lot of “flare” to TNA; however, the whole Jersey Shore angle/attack on Lethal shows that TNA is and will become WCW 2.0 (Death)! Why did creative have to taint a good match with Robbie E and Cookie?

Abyss/RVD seemed sporadic and ill-prepared, in my opinion. RVD will always be a topnotch wrestler in my book, but this match did not have that RVD excitement I am used to. Honestly, I loved Abyss back in the early days. Now? I don’t think he can carry Doink the Clown’s balls in a paper sack.

I hate to be a mark, and I try not to be because I find them/you highly annoying, but Team 3D just re-signed with TNA... so why are they retiring? Oh, they want to make fans care about their match with MCM. Well, I guess. Maybe this is where they put MCM over big time? Maybe.

I guess Sting/Nash/Pope beating up on Joe was a precursor to Joe’s morning after revelation: “THEY ARE HERE!” I hope this means Joe will start kicking ass again. However, Joe will need to put the cheeseburgers down to do that. Anyway, hopefully, Nash hit his last Jackknife. RETIRE!

ECW, I mean EV2.0, bored the hell out of me, and apparently the crowd felt the same way. It was dead until a member of Fourtune came in. Fourtune should have won this match, putting the young team over. Also, Fourtune is such a great name; Flair is a great anchor for a young team. Anyway, why is TNA putting over these old “HaRdKoRe” men? It’s mind blowing. Nobody cares about ECW anymore; it’s done.

Well, my rambling winds down, I suppose. I watched this PPV for the main event. I wanted to see if TNA would bring in an nWo. Notice I said “an nWo” and not “the nWo.” What a horrible ending to a PPV. Sure, it was “epik d00d” because the biggest babyface turned heel. Okay, why did Hardy need Hogan and Bischoff to do so? Why did he need a ******ed Abyss preaching “They?” What does JJ have to do with this? I think it would have been great had Hardy made this heel turn on his own accord. “They” simply will ruin this title run, I’m sure.

So, I assume it will be Angle/Hardy at Turning Point, or RVD/Hardy. Are they, not “They”, going to have another Hardy/Angle/Anderson main event? I’m all for Angle and Hardy going all out, but I don’t want to see the same freakin’ match from a lackluster BFG. Actaully, I don’t want to see RVD/Hardy. I want Angle/Hardy.

 

[boywithatoy]

How come the title of this thread is called "they are Hardy, Jarrett, Abyss, Hogan and Bischoff"? Because I don't see it that way. I think "they" don't exist and it was all smoke and mirrors to distract from Hardy winning - and that's exactly the deception Sting was on about. Not just how Hogan and Bischoff are heel but how there is no "they", never was, it was just a way of distracting people away from Hardy.

The problem is, if the answer to "they" is "they never existed", I can't decide if that's genius or a load of shit. It's one or the other.

 

[It's Damn Real!]

How come the title of this thread is called "they are Hardy, Jarrett, Abyss, Hogan and Bischoff"? Because I don't see it that way. I think "they" don't exist and it was all smoke and mirrors to distract from Hardy winning - and that's exactly the deception Sting was on about. Not just how Hogan and Bischoff are heel but how there is no "they", never was, it was just a way of distracting people away from Hardy.

The problem is, if the answer to "they" is "they never existed", I can't decide if that's genius or a load of shit. It's one or the other.

False.

"They" were revealed, and "They" are Jeff Hardy, Jeff Jarrett, Abyss, Hulk Hogan and Eric Bischoff.

Still don't believe me?

http://www.tnawrestling.com/news/item/2222-results-from-tnas-bound-for-glory-ppv

Hardy hit the Swanton on Anderson to get the pin and become the new World Champion! After the bout, Abyss and Jeff Jarrett came out to celebrate with Hogan, Bischoff and Hardy! THEY were Hogan, Bischoff, Jarrett, Hardy and Abyss! The most controversial endings in TNA Wrestling history! After the bout, a shocked TNA President Dixie Carter looked on as Rob Van Dam came out to confront Hardy about what he did - in turn Hardy attacked RVD!

How about now?

 

[rondiesel2005]

I didn't watch the pay per view, but last night after reading everybody's post in other threads, there were a few people that wish that didn't order Bound for Glory. I have no problem seeing Jarrett as heel because that's what he was always good at. Him being babyface i wasn't feeling the whole babyface character he was doing. I am curious to see where his character as heel is going to go next.

This whole "They" thing, everybody felt they had an idea who was part of "they" Two names i kept seeing repeatedly and that was Hogan and Bischoff and ofc not too many people were surprise about this.I really hope Hogan is able to sell it out as Heel this time

This is what nobody saw coming Jeff hardy turning heel and addition to that winning the TNA title. My problem with Jeff hardy is that wasn't he still suppose to go back to court?? with that going on and they put a title on him?? I just really hope TNA knows what they are doing because Jeff Hardy can't cut a promo unless somebody teaches him how to.

I am more curious how they going to use this storyline while Fourtune and EV.2 all in one night for 2 hour show

 

[SpecialFNK]

I hope anyone complaining about Bischoff not finishing something on the PPV to instead use that to get the ratings on Impact, are not ones who have watched the PPV on stream and instead bought/paid for the PPV. there are people that do not pay for the event, but instead steal it for free by watching a stream online.
ratings on Impact are just as important as PPV buys.
Bound For Glory is the biggest PPV for TNA, but it doesn't have to be the end of story lines. I would say with all the buzz after last night, that Bound For Glory last night WAS TNA's biggest PPV.

this "they" angle is similar to what nWo did in WCW. that did make WCW exciting and got them higher ratings than WWE.

 

[MayorMcCheese]

I liked it, you could see the power struggle building for months with Dixie vs Hogan/Bischoff, Jarrett being with them makes alot of sense, since Dixie stole TNA from Jeff Jarrett. We've never seen a heel Jeff Hardy but IMO its worth a shot TNA needed a top heel.

 

[hatehabsforever]

I hope anyone complaining about Bischoff not finishing something on the PPV to instead use that to get the ratings on Impact, are not ones who have watched the PPV on stream and instead bought/paid for the PPV. there are people that do not pay for the event, but instead steal it for free by watching a stream online.
ratings on Impact are just as important as PPV buys.
Bound For Glory is the biggest PPV for TNA, but it doesn't have to be the end of story lines. I would say with all the buzz after last night, that Bound For Glory last night WAS TNA's biggest PPV.

this "they" angle is similar to what nWo did in WCW. that did make WCW exciting and got them higher ratings than WWE.

You are correct that Bound For Glory is the biggest PPV of the year for TNA, and it could be argued that this year's version is the biggest in the 8 year history of TNA. And it doesn't have to be the end of storylines. However, after being hyped for months, it should provide some answers and give some direction to the angles that have been ongoing for some time now. And this year's PPV did not do this, in fact, it simply further clouded an already murky and convoluted storyline progression in a company widely known for a lack of clarity and logic.

Sure, BFG has created a lot of buzz, but I would respectfully suggest that not all of it has been positive. Some would say that any buzz is a good thing for any company and that may be true, although I'm not sure I agree with this sentiment. A lot of the comments that I have been reading on these forums have been lukewarm at best, and an awful lot of them have been negative.

I'd be careful of drawing parallels between the "they" angle and the nWo in WCW. Sure, they rivalled WWF for a while and lead them in the ratings for a period of time, but we all know how that turned out. I'm not so sure that mimicking nWo and giving WWE some competition for a couple of years before going into the toilet is really what TNA would be striving to achieve. And remember back then, Hogan was still able to walk and could still go in the ring. No one in nWo was in danger of serving jail time. And nWo was a fresh and unique idea at the time, not a re-hash of an angle done 15 years earlier.

 

[shattered dreams]

after being hyped for months, it should provide some answers and give some direction to the angles that have been ongoing for some time now.

You are crazy if you think they did not give some answers and some direction. They fucking revealed who they actually is and you say they gave no answers? Give me a break. The direction is they have Jeff hardy as the new heel champ. Are you really suggesting they should stop at the end of a ppv after a big swerve and sit down and explain every little detail of a 6 month long story? No one ever explains anything in detail on a ppv. PPV's are for wrestling and big moments, the shows are where you explain what happened there. That is how it always has been and always should be. Plus, if you actually explain everything then no one has any reason to keep following the story and thus it is over. Why do those always clamoring for immediate gratification not get this?

 

[SpecialFNK]

I talked about a bit in another thread about how it wasn't just the in ring wrestling that made WCW go out of business. there were other things involved, such as Time Warner merging with AOL and AOL having no interest in the wrestling business. it's explained more in the DVD "The Rise and Fall of WCW".

whatever negative thoughts/opinions there have been after what happened last night, how many people are NOT going to watch Impact on Thursday? I wouldn't be surprised if this is the highest rated Impact yet this year.
I do think it's unfortunate that Impact for the next two weeks will be taped instead of being live. people can read spoilers and know some answers before Impact even airs.

 

[shattered dreams]

"It makes sense if you go back to this and this and this from 8 months ago". OK, first of all, do you really think Hogan and the like are actually going to bring some degree of continuity into this? The typical wrestling rule is "if it happened more than 3 months ago, it didn't happen". And you expect HOGAN to bring this stuff back up? Second, hunting for hints and clues from segments that were done long before this was even thought up does not mean this will make any degree of sense. IF they reference something from a while back, I can guaran-damn-tee that a good portion of the people watching will just cry "BULLSHIT".

People call bullshit on the way wrestlers tie their shoes, who gives a fuck and why would that mean anything? Bischoff has been saying all along this has been a 6 month story and you want to arbitrarily hold it to 3 months for some reason to make a convoluted point? Why not actually hear the explanation before claiming you know everything? And please do not "its tna" in response to this last question. Everyone except Hardy makes perfect fucking sense and has absolutely been alluded to over the past months. I hardly think Hardy makes no sense either. It is pretty easy to see him disenfranchised with RVD's success at his expense. Hardy looked pretty convincing to me as a heel the way he struck Angle, Anderson and RVD (especially his demeanor here). Being a heel is not all mic work, we just have been conditioned to think that. Jeff hardy the face was stale as hell. Jeff Hardy the heel saying I am sick of pandering to kids and getting nowhere has potential IMO given the current climate of wrestling.

"If we watch IMPACT, it'll all be explained". This is the real problem here. Bound For Glory is supposed to be TNA's answer to Wrestlemania. That means all the big angles end there and the foundation for the new angles are laid down. All the answers are supposed to be given there. We're not supposed to walk away from it more confused than we were going in! For God's sake, I don't even know where Nash, Sting, and Pope stand! Are they face? Heel? Will they even factor in when this gets going? What about Fourtune, who were the heel stable before now? Are they going to feud with THEY, lose, and then go nowhere? Gee, why does that sound familiar? Oh, yeah, nWo VS Four Horsemen ended exactly like that.

Another arbitrary rule handed down by joe internet, why is it that I have a hard time with your credibility on these issues? Oh yeah the obvious part about not having any to begin with. You have questions of interest and you know you have to watch their programming to find out, yet you think this means they fucked up? What is the whole point of episodic tv again?

Those "idiots" in WWE sure fucked up to the tune of their best rating in a while when instead of having Shawn michaels give his retirement speech to immediately end the storyline at wrestlemania, they had him do it on raw. Did cena-batista end at wrestlemania? Did nexus give an explanation next week or immediately? I think it is you and your weird rules that do not get it opposed to those booking tna right now.

 

[michael.foulds]

I'm sure Joe got kidnapped a few months ago on iMPACT! and said "they" had spoken. Whatever happened to this storyline? I assumed that it would be to do with "they" (Hogan, Bischoff, Jarrett, Abyss and Hardy) but apparently it isn't. Did that storyline just get dropped altogether? Or do you think this is another swerve waiting to happen?

Your thoughts?

 

[Reddannihilation]

Too fat. And they kinda need some people to be faces. Joe can feud with them under the pretense that they fooled him into doing their dirty work.

 

[GREENGHOSTMBAUVLN]

last night at bfg joe was lookin shocked not just that jj left him i think he was supposed to be wit they and its a swerve and now tna has givin joe a push kindof cuz now he can beef with they and jj becuz he really didnt have any beefs as of late

 

[Joe's Gonna Kill You]

Joe should not be with They he should be against them after all Jarrett did turn on Joe at BFG and he should be looking to get revenge. Joe should be feuding with THEY not join them. TNA's needs to have Faces go up against them and I think he is the guy to do it.

 

[michael.foulds]

Yeah I know Joe should be feuding with "they" after last night, but are they just gonna totally ignore that storyline when Joe got kidnapped? Nearly as bad as WWE not finishing storylines off e.g. fake Kane.

 

[Reddannihilation]

Yeah I know Joe should be feuding with "they" after last night, but are they just gonna totally ignore that storyline when Joe got kidnapped? Nearly as bad as WWE not finishing storylines off e.g. fake Kane.

Who cares, that's pretty much his character. Joe dissappears comes back pissed off, he can't do anything else.

 

[Slowdude]

Well they needed some faces in TNA as who do they have now? Joe and MCMG? Jay Lethal? Ummm Anderson and Angle... Are Nash/Sting/Pope Faces now? Ink Inc are Faces? Are ECW still sticking around? Thats pretty much it isn't it. The Faces look quite poor compared to all the heels now.

 

[Hulkamaniac]

Well they needed some faces in TNA as who do they have now? Joe and MCMG? Jay Lethal? Ummm Anderson and Angle... Are Nash/Sting/Pope Faces now? Ink Inc are Faces? Are ECW still sticking around? Thats pretty much it isn't it. The Faces look quite poor compared to all the heels now.

Kurt Angle, Ken Anderson, RVD, Samoa Joe, Pope, Sting, and maybe Nash are faces. That's a lot of star power compared to Jeff Hardy, Abyss, Jeff Jarrett, and AJ Styles, who I think comprise all the major singles wrestlers that are heels.

Anyway, Joe is a face because that's where he naturally belongs. Abyss is the monster heel, Joe is the "monster" face.

 

[darkman_96]

You really want to know why Joe isnt in they. Because TNA decided not to include Joe because they didnt want him in they. That good enough for you. Just watch the show.