Mr. Artistic guy
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you never would have seen hardy turn out of all three guys, and jarrett, well you could see that kindof although he was in different storyline so it was a bit more complex
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I don't see how the main event was so amazing. It probably happened in some random house show during 2006. The only person that wasn't in WWE before in "they" is Abyss. So I really don't see how this is new, refreshing or different. And Jeff Hardy has been heel plenty of times. Mostly against his brother, and there you go a face Matt Hardy to go with a heel Jeff Hardy! I'm in Vince Russo's head. I called it, when Matt comes to TNA he's going to be face and is going to try to turn his brother BUT in a double turn and another swerve by Hogie and Bitchoff Matt is gonna tun on Jeff. I just booked TNA for the next six months
I don't remember "Hogan and Bischoff out of work" I do remember "RVD must be destroyed and THEY are going to takeover TNA".Yes, usually it's pretty bad and I will question it every time. In this case though, it wasn't the beatdown we're talking about. It's that Abyss specifically said that THEY would come in and put Hogan and Bischoff out of jobs. Not insinuation, not a small piece like the rest of this story people are putting together now. This was the MAIN thing behind Abyss' heel turn. He found people better than Hogan to believe in and said THEY would drive Hogan and Bischoff out. THEY were Hogan and Bischoff. You have not convinced me that this remotely makes sense and I doubt you can. I doubt anyone can.
Good point about Jarrett. I don't necessarily remember him warming up to Hulk, but I do remember Foley being fired (and then somehow came back but besides the point). The deception part does make sense. I get that Sting saw that Hogan and Bischoff were bad all along. However, it was played out very, very poorly and anyone who has followed the product can see that. Deception is fine, but it still doesn't explain Abyss' promo, nor does it explain why they had to go with this plan when they had power anyway (remember, Dixie gave Hogan all the power he wanted when he came in. That is true in the storyline and in life). Thus, why did they need to deceive people for so long?
As I said, there were times that Carter got involved in their decisions, if we look solely at the World Title timeline. Hogan and Bischoff come in and it's AJ v. Angle. Flair helps Angle retain so Hogan and Bischoff put a team together to take out Flair and Sting. Then they force the Champion (AJ, a TNA Original) to defend the very next night, however RVD not Hardy, wins the title. Abyss keeps up the whole charade attacking everyone, constantly getting in Hogan's face to keep eyes off him, eventually Abyss gets the go ahead to just out right destroy RVD, Bischoff manipulates the odds to ensure Hardy is in the world title match at BFG, remember Dixie tried to make it a one on one match.I am thoroughly looking forward to the explanation. Not because I believe it will be great (Jeff Hardy will talk so it negates greatness haha), but because I want to see how these "geniuses" will explain all the holes I'm pointing out. My guess is that they ignore them and hope the fans do too. I'm sure some will, but I certainly can't. As a writer myself, I cannot ignore plot holes.
Ok, I'll give you that it's shocking, but it's not huge. Someone was going to turn and it was Hardy. He was the least likely, unless you were in my buddy's living room. We said at 9 o'clock after Jeff's promo:
"you know, Jeff has not been talked about AT ALL with this title match, so knowing wrestling booking, he will win"
"but what about Angle's stipulation?"
"he won't get pinned, so they'll cheat their way out of it."
"ok, but how will Hardy win."
"he'll be in THEY somehow. It won't make sense, but that's what TNA will do."
I know you will not believe me, and I personally don't care if you do. It's irrelevant. It was shocking to most and I give credit for that. Most who don't think the way I do didn't see it coming and that's fine. Even I doubted that it would actually come to fruition, it was actually just a line we threw out there and didn't really believe. The thing is though, Jeff isn't a megastar. He was a popular wrestler in WWE that was booked just poorly enough for wrestling fans to basically knock him down a peg. I guess he's at the top of the TNA foodchain..........if you forget that A.J. Styles who got pinned by Tommy Dreamer, was the PWI top wrestler of the year, but Jeff is not someone I like and I never have. I also think that the WWE machine got the most out of him but he has been nothing in TNA. Maybe this heel turn will help him, but I'm not buying him as anywhere close to as big a cog as Hogan in 1996. Only Angle could have matched that, though that story wouldn't work. Angle would have been a late cog "making a deal with the devil" when he feared his career was in danger. That would have led to him being in THEY but not liking it and eventually having them screw him for a new guy and Angle going full face, which would have been a much better story. Even still, THEY being Hogan and Bischoff doesn't make any sense and you have only made 1 decent point about Jarrett. Until further notice, I'm still not buying it.
I also do not like that you resorted to name-calling in your post. In no way have I ever done that to anyone and I don't expect it in return. We can disagree and have intelligent conversation, but please try and keep it intelligent. I've seen you post and i know you are more than capable. I respect you as a poster, and I hope you respect me. Please don't take that away by resorted to names and childish banter. I know we are better than that.
I don't see how the main event was so amazing. It probably happened in some random house show during 2006. The only person that wasn't in WWE before in "they" is Abyss. So I really don't see how this is new, refreshing or different. And Jeff Hardy has been heel plenty of times. Mostly against his brother, and there you go a face Matt Hardy to go with a heel Jeff Hardy! I'm in Vince Russo's head. I called it, when Matt comes to TNA he's going to be face and is going to try to turn his brother BUT in a double turn and another swerve by Hogie and Bitchoff Matt is gonna tun on Jeff. I just booked TNA for the next six months
Get ready everyone because here comes the part where the TNA fans shit on my every word. If any of these points have been argued already then sorry, but I've got much better things to do with my time than read the past 13 pages of banter on this. It's time for my opinion on the "They" angle...
I just don't get it... at all. Did it shock me? Well, sure... a little bit. Turning Jeff Hardy heel is something I never expected. But that was the only thing that made sense, in my eyes.
You've got Eric Bischoff (obvious), Abyss (duh), Hulk Hogan (makes absolutely NO sense yet) and Jeff Jarrett all turning heel to be a part of "They". Obviously we'll hear explanations from all of them on Thursday, but as of right now I'm completely baffled.
In lieu of Hogan's surgeries, why would he make this kind of turn? He's already done this before in WCW and it's lost its luster. But I guess he's now going to be in a power struggle with Dixie? Doesn't he already make all of the decisions, anyway?
Bischoff's turn was the most obvious aspect of this. He's been teasing a full-on heel turn for months now. I'm sure that most of the audience guessed he'd be a part of this whole thing from the beginning.
Abyss's part in this is obvious. However, his realignment with Hogan isn't. Just a few months ago he was involved in one of the worst booked pro-wrestling angles in history, along side the Arquette championship win and the Katie Vick angle. And the angle had Abyss aligning with Hogan to get his mean streak back in order to be molded into TNA's top title contender. But I guess all of that was a front so Jeff Hardy could be the main guy?? Then why have all of that fuss with Abyss-a-mania? And please don't tell me it was just to shock us. 'Shock value' is one thing... but it has to make some kind of sense to be 'entertaining'.
Jeff Jarrett's a part of this now? So he's been in denial about Nash's, Sting's, and now Pope's conspiracy theory (which is now true), he finally accepted its truth (as he turned on Samoa Joe), and now instead of going AGAINST Hogan (like Nash, Sting, and Pope have been trying to do) he JOINED him?!? Dude, seriously... WHAT-THE-FUCK??? It's the most out-in-left-field thing I've ever seen.
Once again, is it shocking? Yes. But does it make sense? FUCK no. It's writing a shocking storyline for the purpose of swerving people... but the only problem is that the only reason why it's shocking is because it makes NO SENSE.
I'm just totally baffled but I'm not surprised. TNA's booking has been like this for a while now. They've been taking on the mentality of "it doesn't have to make total sense as long as the audience is shocked. We'll just make up a cock-a-meme storyline and have them explain it all in a promo on Thursday. No one will read into it too much." Sorry, Russo... you were wrong. We don't fucking get it.
So, after months and months and MONTHS of Abyss spitting into microphones, yelling, screaming the words "TEN TEN TEN" in our faces, acting fat, psychotic and wrestling very badly, we're left with this. As far as I'm concerned, it's mostly a HUGE letdown.
Here is how I rate the aspects of this angle on a scale of 1-10:
Jeff Hardy heel turn = 8
Hogan heel turn = 3
Bischoff heel turn = 2
Abyss heel turn = 0
Jeff Jarrett heel turn = -17
This storyline is WAYYY too complicated for the average wrestling fan. Call me stupid, slow, or what you will, but the average TNA fan is a teenager and I doubt they'd allow their minds to dig back far enough to try and make any sense of it all unless they are a die-hard fan. The rest of them will scratch their heads like I am right now. The bright side is that we're all talking about it... a lot. So kudos to TNA for sparking chatter as a result of another completely fucked up and confusing storyline. But I guess any kind of TNA discussion is good discussion, right Russo?
Take that any way you want. I welcome the onslaught.