They are Hardy, Jarrett, Abyss, Hogan and Bischoff; The Immortals

you never would have seen hardy turn out of all three guys, and jarrett, well you could see that kindof although he was in different storyline so it was a bit more complex
 
Turning Jeff heel was a great move and i didn't expect it at all, what i did see coming was Hogan and bischoff being involed in "they" and as soon as Jarret turned on Joe earlier in the event i had a feeling he was also part of "they".
With Jarret turning on Joe and Jarrett being part of "they" does anyone else think they were the people who kidnapped Samoa Joe back in February? or do you think its just more examples of TNA's crappy booking?
 
Very surprising heel turn. Out of Hardy, Angle and Anderson, Hardy would have been the one I would have put money on NOT being involved.

I did think "THEY" had something to do with Hogan and Bisch, but once it got to the main event and you know "THEY" were going to be involved somehow, I would have expected Angle to have been the one to turn, as he is a proven heel and he had the whole "I will retire if I don't win" storyline going. I expected to see him team up with Bischoff to ensure his career remained intact.

But, Hardy as a heel is very interesting. I dont know how he will cope playing the bad guy, as his interview skills scream "face" to me, and he is totally unproven as a heel in pro-wrestling. However, this COULD be something very good for TNA, and I for one will definitely be tuning in to see where they go with this.

Hogan and Bisch as heels is another good idea. Hogan was excellent as "Hollywood" during the original nWo run in WCW, and although this is kind of a re-run of that, many fans will have been too young to see or remember the nWo storyline as it happened, and will only ever have seen footage on tape, so this could be very interesting and exciting for them. I loved the nWo, and heel Hogan, he bores me as a face now, so again I am looking forward to seeing this storyline develop.

It does seem a strange choice to put the World Title on Hardy, with all his legal issues, but hopefully if they can get sorted, and Jeff can keep himself clean and sober, then he could have a good run with the title and really get into this heel role, which will only benefit TNA, and create some buzz and interest around the company. I am curious to see how all the screaming "creatures of the night" will deal with their hero turning his back on them.

All in all, I would have preferred "THEY" to have been a new invading group of wrestlers, or the returning James Mitchell, and if it had turned out to be just Hogan, Bischoff and Jarrett then I would have been disappointed....but the addition of Jeff Hardy does interest me, so I will give TNA a chance with this to see if they can pull it off.

At least its not Dixies Mum and Dad
 
Ok, I'll sum up what I think is so terrible about this whole thing.
1. The whole 'They are coming' angle epitomises the nonsense that is TNA booking. 'They' were all already there. Nonsense, plain and simple.
2. Once again, TNA make a huge deal out of 'changing the shape of the company' etc etc, where three of the performers focused on are over the hill has-beens rubbing their own self important egos.
3. Abyss gets another rejuvenated push, when he's had ample chance to prove he can boost TNA's ratings all year, and guess what? He hasn't done it, he clearly isn't a guy to build your company around!
4. Wow! Jeff Hardy as a heel! Surprising maybe, but what about 2 months down the line when the big suprise has worn off...is this really a smart idea that will draw money? Very unlikely. If Jeff can create a successful enough heel persona to even match his drawing ability as a face i will be very surprised. Hardy fans are marks, they will watch him whatever he does, and they're probably all watching TNA already! I seriously doubt the casual viewer will start to tune in to see Jeff act like an asshole. Like it or not, TNA took one of the most over performers out there and completely failed to capitalise on that since Jeff made the jump to TNA.
5. Do people really want to see such huge level of on-screen involvement from Hogan/Eric/Jarrett/Dixie Carter etc. I think not, and it's the biggest turn off TNA has in my opinion. TNA needs to move away from all the needlessly convoluted management/power play storylines which utimately stifle the in-ring character's abilty to have ownership of his own successess/failures. Being puppeted around within the agenda of someone who never sets foot in the ring in many cases detracts from the intesity of the rivalry that you can build between two opponents. This is wrestling after all, and I want to see fueds focused on the people actually facing off against one another.
 
Heel Hardy!! MTFO! This is going to be great! I can see him being the "Cool Heel" walking down the ramp with his heaps cool sunnies and shit. the title on his shoulder. WOW! I cannot wait for iMPACT this week, it's gonna be epic!
Bischoff is great as a Heel, much better then what he is as a face. I hope what Dixie signed was the contract to TNA, if it was that would be an amazing swerve. This may just get me into the Impact mode soon if it works well!
 
I've never been more disappointed in TNA ever.
Back when I thought the old ecw guys were coming to invade, I thought awesome
but with 'ev2' I felt very disappointed....

Now this elaborate story line that has been going on for months turns out to be what it is when I'm expecting like Dixie's parents to take over TNA or some huge screw over that changes the company forever......
Seriously, Hogan and Bischoff?

I feel ripped off that I ordered this, I feel like a great crime has been committed in coming up with such an underwhelming finish to what could have been awesome.


When Dixie thought she was signing off on abyss's termination it should have like been a contract signing over the rights to tna and you see Bob and Janice are behind it all, stealing the company from there stupid lazy eye'd hag of a daughter and completely changing things, getting rid of people and turning every thing up side down
and you see Dixie in the dark as this big black cloud blows on top of TNA and all the wrestlers have to real align there allegiances and choose who there gonna side with which would create even more tension between people and more uncertainty.

But Jarret, Abyss, Hogan, Bischoff and Hardy?

I feel like TNA can rot in hell now,
I'll go back to my crappy WWE programing
 
To sum it up in one word: STUPID!

So, Hogan and Bischoff are heels again? This creates too many questions for it to be a success.

1.What does this mean for Fortune? Are they faces now? Back when Hogan and Bish turned heel with the NWO, Flair and The 4 Horsemen.....heels at the time, became faces. So Flair, by far the greatest heel ever, along with AJ Styles, by far the best in-ring performer and could very well be the next heel Ric Flair, Doug Williams, who gets booed just for being a Brit, and Morgan, who oozes heel heat are either mid-card heels stuck in a nonsense feud with EV 2.0, or become faces if they want to be in the main event?

2. Why have Sting and Nash been so pissed at Hogan? Did they know about "They" and was pissed because they (Sting/Nash) weren't in on it? I won't include Pope because I actually like where they are going with his complaining and slightly teasing us with the "race factor".

3. Does TNA think we are all idiots not to remember last Thursday's Impact? Dixie told Eric to fire Abyss, RVD asks Eric not to fire him until Monday. Now Eric and Abyss are together. The PPV ends with Dixie shaking her head........Dixie is STILL the overall president of TNA, right? So, if she was really "let down" as she showed with her head shaking, why wouldn't SHE just fire Abyss on Monday?

4. What about Kurt Angle? Does he keep his word and retire, since he didn't win the title? Or will he call a do-over since Eric and Hogan interfered?

5. Jeff Hardy? THAT is the best TNA could do?

6. Jarrett part of "They" makes absolutely NO SENSE WHAT-SO-EVER!!!!!

This angle would have worked if Eric would have come out at the beginning of the PPV and cut a heel promo right then saying that since HE is running things he is adding a mystery 4th person to the title match. Then have the mystery person turn out to be Carlito! Then have Hogan come out and help Carlito win. Afterwards, cut a promo, then have Carlito do his apple spit on Abyss and beat him down. Have Eric and Hogan sarcastically thank Abyss then leave the ring. This would have turned Abyss back into the wimpy, scared monster that gets sympathy cheers from the crowd.
 
Whilst it is refreshing to see Jeff Hardy as a heel and was a shock, what people are failing to see if the long term future of this will be. Can Jeff Hardy really pull off being heel? Thats the question.

Also another issue, who is on earth is left as a face? You have Flair's group and now Hogan's group. More heels turns have happened recently, inlcuding Generation ME (who look to be brushed aside for Team 3D) and Pope. There's an imbalance in the ratio and I'll say it WCW had the very same problem. Too many strong heels going against a lackful face team.

With the fact RVD is likely to have a title match, seeing he never lost the title it then leads to RVD v Jeff for the title. You might as well add in Sabu and Botchamania would have enough clips to last another 5 videos.
 
Well i watched the whole show and i think finding out who "They" finally was is the worst part.

Hardy as of late has been terrible in the ring with a occasional good match,

Hogan well he is in crutches and cant even get to the ring by his self,

Jarrett is a wrestler who could just leave next week and no one would even care,

Bischoff i get great mouth piece and can draw heat as a heel better then nearly anyone

Abyss is i also get as big muscle and its basicly him started started the angel . But also not that long ago hogan and abyss were feuding

I just think its another over hyped angel hell i think i would have rather seen a outsiders 2.0 or something truthfully

But other then that the rest of the show was great its just "They" didnt llive up to the hype
 
I don't see how the main event was so amazing. It probably happened in some random house show during 2006. The only person that wasn't in WWE before in "they" is Abyss. So I really don't see how this is new, refreshing or different. And Jeff Hardy has been heel plenty of times. Mostly against his brother, and there you go a face Matt Hardy to go with a heel Jeff Hardy! I'm in Vince Russo's head. I called it, when Matt comes to TNA he's going to be face and is going to try to turn his brother BUT in a double turn and another swerve by Hogie and Bitchoff Matt is gonna tun on Jeff. I just booked TNA for the next six months
 
I was very surprised by Hardy! I think every one did not expect him to be a word champion due to his legal troubles, now TNA made me really surprised. Not only he is a new TNA champion, but he is now a heel!

As far as hogan and bischoff turn goes it was not a big surprised. It was speculated for months now they they will turn eventually.
 
Okay, so lemme get this straight...after months and months of this build-up, "they" are revealed as Jeff Hardy, Jeff Jarrett, Abyss, Hulk Hogan and Eric Bischoff? And this is the way that TNA wants to lead its company into the new year? I mean really, this is it? Wow. So Sting's a heel, The Pope's a heel. Jeff Hardy seemingly is now a heel along with Jeff Jarrett, Hogan and Bischoff? This is stupid, it really is and this is exactly why I don't like watching TNA. There's no balance, the storylines make absoultely NO sense whatsoever and they have too many damn heels. Oh and including Flair. Goodness TNA, what, were you guys hoping to jump the gun first in the "turn John Cena heel" bonanza? Well, least they did it.
 
I actually liked the PPV. I haven't been a big fan of TNA but this storyline interested me a bit. I only really made a point of watching BFG because of the "they" storyline. Announcing that something big is going to happen is a simple but effective way to build a bit of interest. Sure Dixie Carter has hyped big announcements in the past which have generally turned out to be nowhere near as big as she would have us believe, but I can't say I was too disappointed with the way things panned out at BFG.

I found it predictable somewhat in that I had guessed that Hogan and Bischoff would be part of it. It was very obvious that Hogan would be back with all the talk of his health and his cheesy acting in the hospital video. Not too surprised at Jarrett being in the group either although I thought if Jarrett was in Joe would be too. Hardy was a surprise and like a few others I'm not sure that he's the best person for it.

Considering how their match went I'm still not so sure Sting, Nash and Pope won't join "they" too. If they are in fact faces then it doesn't seem like it the way they beatdown Joe when it would have been clear to them at that point that Joe was not part of "they" since they seemed to know Jarrett was.

All in all I think TNA have done pretty well with the storyline. It's very difficult these days to try and live up to the shocks we seen during the Attitude Era with so much documented on the internet and fans basically second guessing everything.

It'll be interesting to see where they go from here. One thing that is a bit obvious is the papers which Dixie signed for Abyss' release on the last Impact were in fact papers for "they" taking control of TNA. I don't think they should have aired that footage until the next Impact when Dixie comes out to fire them or whatever the plan is, as it would be have been more of a shock.
 
To be honest, Meh.

I'm not a WWE mark nor am I a TNA hater. I love my WWE and am an occasional watcher of TNA since the introduction of Hogan in January. I have since given TNA a go. A real go. Watched and watched. I looked back at previous storylines Ala Main Event Mafia, Joe/Angle, Joe/Styles etc. Honestly all I can say is I am quit disappointed with the revelation of "THEY".

Yes, I will indeed wait before passing judgment on Hardy turning Heel but I am sick to death of the formation of these groups, factions, alliances, whatever you want to call them. Can't there just be a solid build up of one on one feuds? Yes I have begged the WWE to induce this in their own programming and have since provided us with the NEXUS, a young brash group with No one we have ever seen before. I'm over Hogan talking of the "Next level" and over Jarrett. This post will not continue to be a TNA Bashing post however I do feel somewhat frustrated.

In terms of this storyline moving forward, whatever the outcome, it will be all over in a couple months and Dixie will proclaim another "TNA forever changing" event. Meh is all I have left to say.
 
I don't see how the main event was so amazing. It probably happened in some random house show during 2006. The only person that wasn't in WWE before in "they" is Abyss. So I really don't see how this is new, refreshing or different. And Jeff Hardy has been heel plenty of times. Mostly against his brother, and there you go a face Matt Hardy to go with a heel Jeff Hardy! I'm in Vince Russo's head. I called it, when Matt comes to TNA he's going to be face and is going to try to turn his brother BUT in a double turn and another swerve by Hogie and Bitchoff Matt is gonna tun on Jeff. I just booked TNA for the next six months

Plenty of times? Against his brother? Please, list the heel turns. I know how many times he's been a heel and against who and how ( Wikipedia rules ), so I know you're full of shit. I also know you barely watch TNA and you probably didn't even see the PPV, you're just shooting blanks. Your whole "Abyss is the only guy that's never been in WWE" crap gave you away. It's what people say when they have nothing SMART to say. But please, illuminate us. And thank you for booking TNA for the next six months. Can I laugh in your face when none of this happens? PWEASE!
 
Yes, usually it's pretty bad and I will question it every time. In this case though, it wasn't the beatdown we're talking about. It's that Abyss specifically said that THEY would come in and put Hogan and Bischoff out of jobs. Not insinuation, not a small piece like the rest of this story people are putting together now. This was the MAIN thing behind Abyss' heel turn. He found people better than Hogan to believe in and said THEY would drive Hogan and Bischoff out. THEY were Hogan and Bischoff. You have not convinced me that this remotely makes sense and I doubt you can. I doubt anyone can.
I don't remember "Hogan and Bischoff out of work" I do remember "RVD must be destroyed and THEY are going to takeover TNA".


Good point about Jarrett. I don't necessarily remember him warming up to Hulk, but I do remember Foley being fired (and then somehow came back but besides the point). The deception part does make sense. I get that Sting saw that Hogan and Bischoff were bad all along. However, it was played out very, very poorly and anyone who has followed the product can see that. Deception is fine, but it still doesn't explain Abyss' promo, nor does it explain why they had to go with this plan when they had power anyway (remember, Dixie gave Hogan all the power he wanted when he came in. That is true in the storyline and in life). Thus, why did they need to deceive people for so long?

Personally I don't know why, that's the point, I still want answers, so I'm going to tune in this week. But I wouldn't be surprised to hear something like Jarrett bringing up his being sent home last year, or Hogan and Bischoff claiming Dixie stood in their way, perhaps highlighting Russo's comments on ReAction. I can see there being a lot of different things that may have motivated them to do this.



I am thoroughly looking forward to the explanation. Not because I believe it will be great (Jeff Hardy will talk so it negates greatness haha), but because I want to see how these "geniuses" will explain all the holes I'm pointing out. My guess is that they ignore them and hope the fans do too. I'm sure some will, but I certainly can't. As a writer myself, I cannot ignore plot holes.
As I said, there were times that Carter got involved in their decisions, if we look solely at the World Title timeline. Hogan and Bischoff come in and it's AJ v. Angle. Flair helps Angle retain so Hogan and Bischoff put a team together to take out Flair and Sting. Then they force the Champion (AJ, a TNA Original) to defend the very next night, however RVD not Hardy, wins the title. Abyss keeps up the whole charade attacking everyone, constantly getting in Hogan's face to keep eyes off him, eventually Abyss gets the go ahead to just out right destroy RVD, Bischoff manipulates the odds to ensure Hardy is in the world title match at BFG, remember Dixie tried to make it a one on one match.

Jarrett had all the reason in the world to turn, he was booted from his company last year, without a word of protest from all the guys he helped. He gets brought back and Bischoff treats him like shit with all the guys he helped once again refusing to stand with him. Eventually Jarrett sides with Hogan and Bischoff heading in to Lockdown, where they did their best to take out Flair's team and Sting.




Ok, I'll give you that it's shocking, but it's not huge. Someone was going to turn and it was Hardy. He was the least likely, unless you were in my buddy's living room. We said at 9 o'clock after Jeff's promo:

"you know, Jeff has not been talked about AT ALL with this title match, so knowing wrestling booking, he will win"

"but what about Angle's stipulation?"

"he won't get pinned, so they'll cheat their way out of it."

"ok, but how will Hardy win."

"he'll be in THEY somehow. It won't make sense, but that's what TNA will do."

I know you will not believe me, and I personally don't care if you do. It's irrelevant. It was shocking to most and I give credit for that. Most who don't think the way I do didn't see it coming and that's fine. Even I doubted that it would actually come to fruition, it was actually just a line we threw out there and didn't really believe. The thing is though, Jeff isn't a megastar. He was a popular wrestler in WWE that was booked just poorly enough for wrestling fans to basically knock him down a peg. I guess he's at the top of the TNA foodchain..........if you forget that A.J. Styles who got pinned by Tommy Dreamer, was the PWI top wrestler of the year, but Jeff is not someone I like and I never have. I also think that the WWE machine got the most out of him but he has been nothing in TNA. Maybe this heel turn will help him, but I'm not buying him as anywhere close to as big a cog as Hogan in 1996. Only Angle could have matched that, though that story wouldn't work. Angle would have been a late cog "making a deal with the devil" when he feared his career was in danger. That would have led to him being in THEY but not liking it and eventually having them screw him for a new guy and Angle going full face, which would have been a much better story. Even still, THEY being Hogan and Bischoff doesn't make any sense and you have only made 1 decent point about Jarrett. Until further notice, I'm still not buying it.

Like I said dude, look back at the events, Hardy and Van Dam being given a chance at AJ's title the day after he defends it. Hardy finding himself in the title picture, Abyss "attacking" Hardy backstage but no one actually saw it happening. Hardy debuts with Hogan and Bischoff. Seems to me that Hardy could've been in on this the whole time, I mean who better than arguably the biggest star since Cena to be Hogan and Bischoff's vision of the perfect champion.

I also do not like that you resorted to name-calling in your post. In no way have I ever done that to anyone and I don't expect it in return. We can disagree and have intelligent conversation, but please try and keep it intelligent. I've seen you post and i know you are more than capable. I respect you as a poster, and I hope you respect me. Please don't take that away by resorted to names and childish banter. I know we are better than that.

Wasn't name calling, you were judging something before it had a chance to be justified. That is kinda douchey dude. Besides, it's best to wait until this iMPACT, personally I think you're over simplifying the activity, there are a lot of things that show the connections between this group.
 
This whole thing is going to lead to future events. RVD is sometimes a part of the EV stable and are their friends. because RVD is angry at them so will EV2. Ev2 is going to team up with Nash sting and pope because they had the theory all worked out and will want to stop them. Hogan and Ric are old friends so because THEY is such a small stable they will have no chance against EV2 so they will team up with Fortune.

In the Future sometime it'll be Fortune and Hogans bunch.

vs

Ev2 and Sting, Nash and Pope.


I have no idea what Samao Joe is going to do because hes pissed at both sides. Please comment if you agree or disagree cause this is only an idea.
 
I don't see how the main event was so amazing. It probably happened in some random house show during 2006. The only person that wasn't in WWE before in "they" is Abyss. So I really don't see how this is new, refreshing or different. And Jeff Hardy has been heel plenty of times. Mostly against his brother, and there you go a face Matt Hardy to go with a heel Jeff Hardy! I'm in Vince Russo's head. I called it, when Matt comes to TNA he's going to be face and is going to try to turn his brother BUT in a double turn and another swerve by Hogie and Bitchoff Matt is gonna tun on Jeff. I just booked TNA for the next six months

Goddam Matt Hardy isnt coming to TNA is he? NOOOO TNA doesnt need another overweight looser who always was a second class to his brother who cant even wrestle. What is this becomin a family reunion show WTF!!!
 
Shouldn't the title be They ARE Jarrett and co? [/grammar nazi]

as for the swerve, I didn't see it coming. Not that that's very shocking. I don't watch TNA. But even if I did, I wouldn't have seen it coming. The question now is can TNA follow up on this angle and run it with a logical goal in mind, rather than doing shocking twists when they don't need to. Because that's one of the few ways that the angle could be screwed up. Hats off to TNA for the angle though.
 
Having Jeff Hardy involved in they makes the Hogan turn more logical as, let's face it, for all the popularity Jeff has, his mike skills are average at best. Having a true promo guru like Hogan and (especially) Bischoff there to do his talking will help him no end.

Hardy turn is a good twist that I didn't see coming. Kind of makes up for the bitter taste EV2's win put in my mouth. I'll surely be watching TNA this week to hear at least some answers as to why THEY have done what they've done, although I'll be mega pissed if they go the Sting route and don't answer anything again for months.

Good work TNA booking, best surprise turn you could do that wouldn't be a let down.
 
(this whole thing is in kayfabe)

1. When Hogan and Bischoff officially came in, Jarrett knew how good they were at fooling people and acquiring power, so he saw a chance to cut a deal and get some of his power in TNA back secretly. Hogan and Bischoff need two things: Dixie to be dependent on them for their power, and the TNA World Heavyweight Title

2.Sting, knowing what would happen to TNA, got pissed off and started warning people forcefully. Jarrett was the first one to tell him to shut up. Everyone ignored Sting as if he were a bitter old man. RVD uses Sting as a stepping stone in at the behest of Hogan.

3. Hogan lured in Abyss knowing he needed dumb, easily influenced muscle. Abyss loved Hogan and would do anything to help him. Hogan told him to turn complete psycho to start intimidating everyone, which would keep others from digging deeper. Hogan even took several beatings to generate sympathy and lead people off the trail.

4. A.J. Styles has Flair to help him keep the belt but Rob Van Dam is able to win it. They are quite happy that their guy has the belt and give RVD mad props and befriend him. Problem is, RVD isn't fully on board with them, preferably to hang with his ECW buddies and not be a lackey to Hogan and Bischoff. Worried he's going to be a problem, Hogan sends Abyss after him to get the belt back but it doesn't work. RVD is too good.

5. Kevin Nash is getting the silent treatment from Bischoff, which clues him in that something is going on. He and Sting agree that Hogan and Bischoff are once again up to something. Jarrett now fight them both and gets Samoa Joe (after some time) to help him, under the guise that Sting and Nash are just bitter old men.

6. RVD is getting too good and continues to not play ball, so Bischoff needs to get the belt off of him. Problem is, he can't give the belt to Kurt Angle nor Ken Anderson. They both are very strong willed and not willing to take a back seat to be led by him and Hogan. Jeff Hardy, however, is young and easily influenced. (pun intended) He books a four-way with Abyss hoping the extra bodies would weaken RVD enough to lose to Hardy or Abyss (odds were in their favor). It doesn't work.

7. RVD continues to win so Bischoff tells Abyss to use Janice on RVD (EV2 would have helped RVD if they weren't busy being beat up by Fourtune, so Bischoff took advantage). Cut him up good and violently. Bischoff uses this to strip RVD of the belt, even though the wounds were healable in enough time for him to defend it. (Making him defend it while wounded would clue Dixie in that something was up)

8. Bischoff creates the tournament and rigs it so that Hardy has an easy path. He doesn't expect Angle can actually beat a younger Hardy, and Hardy can beat Anderson (whose new personality makes him less apt to cheat, plus he's been easy on Hardy in matches since they became friends) or The Pope (who never could win the big one). He noticeably leaves out Sting (obviously), Styles (who could beat Hardy) and Abyss (who he needs to keep people scared).

9. After No Surrender, Bischoff doesn't want Angle and Hardy to fight again, fearing he underestimated Kurt. He makes the 3-way dance, but Dixie steps him and gives them the rematch. Bischoff panics but Jeff assures him he won't lose. As soon as the double pin happens Bischoff runs out and makes the 3-way dance official.

10. The Pope figures out what Bischoff is doing (gearing it so that both Hardy and Angle are in rather than a rematch leading to a one-on-one match) and speaks out. Plus, his encounters with Miss Tessmacher has led to hearing some of the secrets being thrown around. This aligns him with Sting and Nash and opposes him to Jarrett, who dismisses him as another bitter wrestler not be given something.

11. Angle and Anderson banter while Hardy stays silent. He knows he has the advantage and decides not to wrestle much. He will stay in the shadows and conserve his strength for the big night and not attract attention.

12. RVD comes back too soon, so it's up to Abyss to keep him away. RVD may know something and can throw a monkey wrench in plans. Hardy decides to stay with RVD and pretend to be his friend to keep him off the scent. He even arranges a fight (albeit mild) to show he's willing to fight for his friend. The night he was laid out was a put-on to bring out RVD, still injured, to try to help. Abyss does more damage, but Ink Inc. stops it, thinking they're helping their friend Hardy by saving RVD.

13. Several times Nash keeps telling Joe that he's on the wrong side and he's being led astray, but Joe being who he is, doesn't listen or care. Sting, Nash and Pope challenge Hogan, Jarrett and Samoa Joe. The back surgery is real but Hogan gladly stays away, knowing Sting has figured out the entire plan and there's no point in Hogan getting hurt for no reason.

14. 10/7/2010 - Abyss intimidates Dixie enough to be dependent on Bischoff to fire Abyss. She owns the company but doesn't have the courage after all that's happened to her and her family. It works, but Bischoff gives her a different contract, which more than likely is a power of attorney giving absolute power of the company, leaving her with nearly nothing. The final step is the belt, which Abyss must weaken the contenders and Jarrett must distract Sting, Nash, and Pope. Bischoff has Angle and Anderson come out first to let them expend their energy. Hardy lays low in the battle royale, staying down and "injured."

15. 10/10/10 - Jarrett doesn't need Joe anymore, so he walks on him., leaving him to Sting, Nash and Pope, knowing that Joe won't be smart and just leave. The three beat him up and leave him laying, telling him they told him so the whole time. Abyss is on a mission to hurt RVD, which he does, but loses. Still, mission accomplished as RVD is not at full strength and needs healing. During the 3-way dance, Hardy goes outside while Angle and Anderson beat each other into near exhaustion. Bischoff comes for the finishing blow but Hogan comes out, seeming to help but actually to watch. Hardy gets up, delivers the final blows and wins the TNA World Title. Hogan and Bischoff have their champion, Jarrett has some control back, and Abyss has done his master's bidding. RVD is shocked at all of his friends turning and gets nailed.

The predicted aftermath: Dixie Carter will ask (beg!) Angle to stay and fight. Sting and The Pope will lead the fight against Hogan and Bischoff. RVD will look to EV2 for help, who'll join Dixie in the fight. Hogan and Bischoff will pick a faction name and get some lackeys to join (maybe Generation Me or London Brawling). Fourtune should NOT help Hogan and Bischoff (due to Styles being screwed over several times by them) but they probably will since EV2 will side with Dixie who gave them their jobs. Samoa Joe will be angry and be out to get Jarrett but eventually will accept help.

And the X-division, TV and Knockout tag team titles will appear once in a blue moon.
 
Get ready everyone because here comes the part where the TNA fans shit on my every word. If any of these points have been argued already then sorry, but I've got much better things to do with my time than read the past 13 pages of banter on this. It's time for my opinion on the "They" angle...

I just don't get it... at all. Did it shock me? Well, sure... a little bit. Turning Jeff Hardy heel is something I never expected. But that was the only thing that made sense, in my eyes.

You've got Eric Bischoff (obvious), Abyss (duh), Hulk Hogan (makes absolutely NO sense yet) and Jeff Jarrett all turning heel to be a part of "They". Obviously we'll hear explanations from all of them on Thursday, but as of right now I'm completely baffled.

In lieu of Hogan's surgeries, why would he make this kind of turn? He's already done this before in WCW and it's lost its luster. But I guess he's now going to be in a power struggle with Dixie? Doesn't he already make all of the decisions, anyway?

Bischoff's turn was the most obvious aspect of this. He's been teasing a full-on heel turn for months now. I'm sure that most of the audience guessed he'd be a part of this whole thing from the beginning.

Abyss's part in this is obvious. However, his realignment with Hogan isn't. Just a few months ago he was involved in one of the worst booked pro-wrestling angles in history, along side the Arquette championship win and the Katie Vick angle. And the angle had Abyss aligning with Hogan to get his mean streak back in order to be molded into TNA's top title contender. But I guess all of that was a front so Jeff Hardy could be the main guy?? Then why have all of that fuss with Abyss-a-mania? And please don't tell me it was just to shock us. 'Shock value' is one thing... but it has to make some kind of sense to be 'entertaining'.

Jeff Jarrett's a part of this now? So he's been in denial about Nash's, Sting's, and now Pope's conspiracy theory (which is now true), he finally accepted its truth (as he turned on Samoa Joe), and now instead of going AGAINST Hogan (like Nash, Sting, and Pope have been trying to do) he JOINED him?!? Dude, seriously... WHAT-THE-FUCK??? It's the most out-in-left-field thing I've ever seen.

Once again, is it shocking? Yes. But does it make sense? FUCK no. It's writing a shocking storyline for the purpose of swerving people... but the only problem is that the only reason why it's shocking is because it makes NO SENSE.

I'm just totally baffled but I'm not surprised. TNA's booking has been like this for a while now. They've been taking on the mentality of "it doesn't have to make total sense as long as the audience is shocked. We'll just make up a cock-a-meme storyline and have them explain it all in a promo on Thursday. No one will read into it too much." Sorry, Russo... you were wrong. We don't fucking get it.

So, after months and months and MONTHS of Abyss spitting into microphones, yelling, screaming the words "TEN TEN TEN" in our faces, acting fat, psychotic and wrestling very badly, we're left with this. As far as I'm concerned, it's mostly a HUGE letdown.

Here is how I rate the aspects of this angle on a scale of 1-10:

Jeff Hardy heel turn = 8
Hogan heel turn = 3
Bischoff heel turn = 2
Abyss heel turn = 0
Jeff Jarrett heel turn = -17

This storyline is WAYYY too complicated for the average wrestling fan. Call me stupid, slow, or what you will, but the average TNA fan is a teenager and I doubt they'd allow their minds to dig back far enough to try and make any sense of it all unless they are a die-hard fan. The rest of them will scratch their heads like I am right now. The bright side is that we're all talking about it... a lot. So kudos to TNA for sparking chatter as a result of another completely fucked up and confusing storyline. But I guess any kind of TNA discussion is good discussion, right Russo? :rolleyes: :disappointed:

Take that any way you want. I welcome the onslaught.
 
The revelation of who "They" are, aside from Jeff Hardy, really wasn't all that big of a surprise. I think what a lot of people are generally buzzed about is Jeff Hardy going heel rather than who "They" actually are. Jeff Hardy has never been good at all on the mic but with Hogan & Bischoff as the mouthpieces of this little group, he doesn't really have to be at this point. Who knows, Hardy might actually wind up surprising us as a heel.

As far as "They" goes in and of itself, it just seems like it's going to be one more in a long line of storylines centered around a power struggle for control of TNA. Vince Russo must not know how to do anything else.
 
despite the majority of people not liking jeff turning heel and being tna champ, it'd be great if it helped keep TNA ratings 1.3 consistently, RVD is well known, but not on the same worldwide mainstream recognition like hardy
 
Get ready everyone because here comes the part where the TNA fans shit on my every word. If any of these points have been argued already then sorry, but I've got much better things to do with my time than read the past 13 pages of banter on this. It's time for my opinion on the "They" angle...

I just don't get it... at all. Did it shock me? Well, sure... a little bit. Turning Jeff Hardy heel is something I never expected. But that was the only thing that made sense, in my eyes.

You've got Eric Bischoff (obvious), Abyss (duh), Hulk Hogan (makes absolutely NO sense yet) and Jeff Jarrett all turning heel to be a part of "They". Obviously we'll hear explanations from all of them on Thursday, but as of right now I'm completely baffled.

In lieu of Hogan's surgeries, why would he make this kind of turn? He's already done this before in WCW and it's lost its luster. But I guess he's now going to be in a power struggle with Dixie? Doesn't he already make all of the decisions, anyway?

Bischoff's turn was the most obvious aspect of this. He's been teasing a full-on heel turn for months now. I'm sure that most of the audience guessed he'd be a part of this whole thing from the beginning.

Abyss's part in this is obvious. However, his realignment with Hogan isn't. Just a few months ago he was involved in one of the worst booked pro-wrestling angles in history, along side the Arquette championship win and the Katie Vick angle. And the angle had Abyss aligning with Hogan to get his mean streak back in order to be molded into TNA's top title contender. But I guess all of that was a front so Jeff Hardy could be the main guy?? Then why have all of that fuss with Abyss-a-mania? And please don't tell me it was just to shock us. 'Shock value' is one thing... but it has to make some kind of sense to be 'entertaining'.

Jeff Jarrett's a part of this now? So he's been in denial about Nash's, Sting's, and now Pope's conspiracy theory (which is now true), he finally accepted its truth (as he turned on Samoa Joe), and now instead of going AGAINST Hogan (like Nash, Sting, and Pope have been trying to do) he JOINED him?!? Dude, seriously... WHAT-THE-FUCK??? It's the most out-in-left-field thing I've ever seen.

Once again, is it shocking? Yes. But does it make sense? FUCK no. It's writing a shocking storyline for the purpose of swerving people... but the only problem is that the only reason why it's shocking is because it makes NO SENSE.

I'm just totally baffled but I'm not surprised. TNA's booking has been like this for a while now. They've been taking on the mentality of "it doesn't have to make total sense as long as the audience is shocked. We'll just make up a cock-a-meme storyline and have them explain it all in a promo on Thursday. No one will read into it too much." Sorry, Russo... you were wrong. We don't fucking get it.

So, after months and months and MONTHS of Abyss spitting into microphones, yelling, screaming the words "TEN TEN TEN" in our faces, acting fat, psychotic and wrestling very badly, we're left with this. As far as I'm concerned, it's mostly a HUGE letdown.

Here is how I rate the aspects of this angle on a scale of 1-10:

Jeff Hardy heel turn = 8
Hogan heel turn = 3
Bischoff heel turn = 2
Abyss heel turn = 0
Jeff Jarrett heel turn = -17

This storyline is WAYYY too complicated for the average wrestling fan. Call me stupid, slow, or what you will, but the average TNA fan is a teenager and I doubt they'd allow their minds to dig back far enough to try and make any sense of it all unless they are a die-hard fan. The rest of them will scratch their heads like I am right now. The bright side is that we're all talking about it... a lot. So kudos to TNA for sparking chatter as a result of another completely fucked up and confusing storyline. But I guess any kind of TNA discussion is good discussion, right Russo? :rolleyes: :disappointed:

Take that any way you want. I welcome the onslaught.

Man you must've not been following the storylines? Jeff Jarrett has been with Hogan and Bischoff for awhile now.It started when Hogan and Bischoff first came to the company and Bischoff was having Jarrett doing all kinds crazy things but Hogan told Bischoff to leave him alone. Every since then things has changed, They obviously have worked something out between each other!

And Jeff Jarrett has motivation to side with Hogan and Bischoff because this is the company he founded and Dixie made him look like a joke by suspending him when he begin a relationship with Kurt Angle's wife!

So they all must've came together to come up with a plan to takeover the company from Dixie!Makes perfect sense!
 

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