Dean Winchester
Getting Noticed By Management
I could see Jeff as a Raven type heel, especially with that makeup. He can have a gothic gimmick now and starttaking mad and depressed on the mic. Jeff can be a good heel is used right.
They are Hardy, Jarrett, Abyss, Hogan and Bischoff; The Immortals
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It's Damn Real!
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You all realize that [Hollywood] Hardy is aligned with two of the best mouth pieces in the history of pro wrestling in Eric Bischoff and Hulk Hogan, right? Abyss is no slouch, himself, and even Jarrett (though he tends to sound like an angry hillbilly) is adequate — so why so much focus on whether or not Jeff will be able to carry himself? He doesn't have to — he can be carried by the group with a historical penchant for being fantastic managerial heels.
Reddannihilation
Championship Contender
I'm wondering with Jeff as champ and the signing of some AAA guys if they'll give him a "Creatures of the Night, Ministry/Flock/New Church" type of gimmick to back him up. Also, question to the people who wanted it to be an arrival, do you really think a bunch of Mexican Cruiserweight wrestlers would've generated the same response?
Alex
King Of The Wasteland
I said this in another thread, similar to AJ turning heel earlier this year, everyone was convinced that he wouldn't be able to make it, but he was paired with Ric Flair one of the greatest mic workers ever and know people are loving the heel AJ. It can work the same for Jeff he's alongside Hulk Hogan and Eric Bischoff, his mic skills are going to improve.
I am disappointed though with every other member of 'They' though Hardy was the only real surprise and Jarrett is 'meh' in my opinion.
Actually really , really liked this move, despite not being a huge fan of TNA..
Hogan/Bischoff/Jarrett/Abyss as they would have seemed fairly obvious after all that has happened (We all expected Hogan/Bischoff/JArett side to turn heel, especially after pope joined Nash/Sting)
And I think all four of those guy's needed to turn heel, to really do there job in TNA properly, but then you add in a guy like Jeff Hardy, who has NEVER been a sucessful heel, and been a face for 90% of his career- He add's pure shock value. To see Hardy as a heel is just erie. But the more you think about it the more it could work.
The Abyss / HArdy thing could work like NAsh/HBK did.. Hardy can't be a dominant champion on his own- His in ring style dosen't allow for it . So how do you counter that ? Add muscle- Enter Abyss , Mr. Hardy's new Personal Body Guard weilding his girl "Janice"..
Hardy can't talk on the mic? Ok You got Jarrett, Hogan, and Bischoff to do that..
All Hardy has to do is preform his flips, put on good match's in the ring, and stay off the mic. While I am of course skeptical based on Hardy's past failures as a heel, I am more than willing to give it a shot, and see if TNA can pull this off, because they have the peices and talent to do so.
Hogan/Bischoff/Jarrett/Abyss as they would have seemed fairly obvious after all that has happened (We all expected Hogan/Bischoff/JArett side to turn heel, especially after pope joined Nash/Sting)
And I think all four of those guy's needed to turn heel, to really do there job in TNA properly, but then you add in a guy like Jeff Hardy, who has NEVER been a sucessful heel, and been a face for 90% of his career- He add's pure shock value. To see Hardy as a heel is just erie. But the more you think about it the more it could work.
The Abyss / HArdy thing could work like NAsh/HBK did.. Hardy can't be a dominant champion on his own- His in ring style dosen't allow for it . So how do you counter that ? Add muscle- Enter Abyss , Mr. Hardy's new Personal Body Guard weilding his girl "Janice"..
Hardy can't talk on the mic? Ok You got Jarrett, Hogan, and Bischoff to do that..
All Hardy has to do is preform his flips, put on good match's in the ring, and stay off the mic. While I am of course skeptical based on Hardy's past failures as a heel, I am more than willing to give it a shot, and see if TNA can pull this off, because they have the peices and talent to do so.
Zeven_Zion
King Of The Ring
Okay, so let me get this straight. People don't like the fact that it's Hulk, Bischoff, Abyss and Jarrett because "it was obvious"? Who said that it had to be a secret? It has to make sense, and it will, the explanations are coming your way on iMPACT. I bet Jarrett got his company back thanks to Bischoff and Hogan. Someone got ownership of TNA, I don't know who.
Abyss has been with Hogan since the beginning. It all ties together.
Now, if it was just these guys it would've been a huge letdown cuz we all saw it coming and people would bitch there was no surprise and nothing else. Well, you got your surprise - Hardy. To be honest, I'd much rather see a guy I know have a new gimmick/alignment than some random dude nobody knows.
Personally, I think Anderson was a far better option for this than Hardy. He's just a generic heel. But there's something to this heel turn, something that just makes me like it. I don't like Hardy. Maybe I don't like FACE Hardy. A lot of guys suck as faces and are awesome heels. Hell, the biggest and baddest wrestlers in pro wrestling history are all either known for being heels or tweeners. Orton, Jericho, Rock, Austin, HBK, Triple H, the list goes on and on and on. Rocky didn't become The Rock with all the mic skills until he turned heel.
All I'm saying is, before you give Hardy a ... hard time, wait it out, see what this guy brings to the table.
My ONLY issue with this whole thing is Hardy's legal issues. I am not too familiar with what's going on, I know he got caught with a shit-load of drugs or whatever. That's my only problem with it.
Other than that, you've got heels Bischoff and Hogan as the mouthpieces, you've got Abyss, you've got Jarrett who nobody likes anyway, and then Hardy. I got the heels I wanted, I got the shock value, and I'm loving the sudden twist. Great job by TNA.
Abyss has been with Hogan since the beginning. It all ties together.
Now, if it was just these guys it would've been a huge letdown cuz we all saw it coming and people would bitch there was no surprise and nothing else. Well, you got your surprise - Hardy. To be honest, I'd much rather see a guy I know have a new gimmick/alignment than some random dude nobody knows.
Personally, I think Anderson was a far better option for this than Hardy. He's just a generic heel. But there's something to this heel turn, something that just makes me like it. I don't like Hardy. Maybe I don't like FACE Hardy. A lot of guys suck as faces and are awesome heels. Hell, the biggest and baddest wrestlers in pro wrestling history are all either known for being heels or tweeners. Orton, Jericho, Rock, Austin, HBK, Triple H, the list goes on and on and on. Rocky didn't become The Rock with all the mic skills until he turned heel.
All I'm saying is, before you give Hardy a ... hard time, wait it out, see what this guy brings to the table.
My ONLY issue with this whole thing is Hardy's legal issues. I am not too familiar with what's going on, I know he got caught with a shit-load of drugs or whatever. That's my only problem with it.
Other than that, you've got heels Bischoff and Hogan as the mouthpieces, you've got Abyss, you've got Jarrett who nobody likes anyway, and then Hardy. I got the heels I wanted, I got the shock value, and I'm loving the sudden twist. Great job by TNA.
silassaint
Dark Match Jobber
the "they" stable was a complete let down. Not looking forward to the grandpa Hogan trying to relive his NWO heel days and Double J cry about how he started TNA.. we have heard it so many times.. no one cares anymore.
For the record, I don't like the angle because it wasn't obvious as a result of it NOT making sense to me. But I digress...
Definitely one of the aspects of the angle that made PERFECT sense. I liked this part of it.
I respect that. But I think the two biggest reasons why Anderson didn't turn are: #1 - Hardy's turn was a MUCH bigger shocker. #2 - Two words: "Ass Hole". The catchphrase has caught on like wildfire in TNA and it would be a shame to destroy the merchandise sales, notoriety, and catchy nature of its use in TNA by turning Anderson heel.
Eh, Bischoff and Hogan are great mouth pieces, but Hogan as a heel? I just don't see the use for it. Abyss is obvious and his alignment with Hogan makes sense, but Hogan's turn really doesn't. And Jarrett is just a complete mindfuck, but in a bad way. It's just very twisted and they'd better do a good job of making an explanation on Thursday.
I don't like Bischoff & Hulk not because it was obvious, but because it's been DONE TO DEATH! Once should have been enough when it was first done in WCW.
The Abyss factor I really have no problem with. He's the one who's been talking all along about "they", so having him aligned with the group is logical.
The Hardy swerve is the thing that really irks me. Unless we see a whole new side of Hardy that we've never even suspected before - I'm talking new wrestling psychology and mic work - there is no way Hardy is going to succeed as a main event heel. Heck, he could barely get over as a main event face, and that's an easier road to travel.
So... is TNA gonna pass off "They" as NWO version# 57 with Joe playing the part of Sting this time around?
Reddannihilation
Championship Contender
Hogan turning heel does make sense to a degree, keep in mind TNA is rather well documented, somewhat self-admittedly, for acknowledging smark fans. How many people are gonna get pissed off if Hogan comes out and cuts a promo about being better than all these pathetic indie stars and how Hogan is bigger than wrestling, how people always complain about him when he's the biggest guy in town and the reason they're all there. Hogan turning heel makes sense to me in that he can justify it quite easily by coming out and saying "suck my dick, I own this now. I'm better than you and you and you, I make the most money, vanilla midgets suck, I made all of you idiots cheer for me, just like I did in the old days and once again I got one over on each and every one of you". I dunno, maybe it's just me but for smark fans (AKA most of TNA's audience), Hogan fooling them a second time is going to piss them off majorly.
Dean Winchester
Getting Noticed By Management
I think Dixie Carter will now creat a ''special task force'' to batle ''They'', who Ihope have a new name cause that suck as a stale name. They cannot use NWO namecause owned by WWE but they could use The Wolfpac. Dixie could ask Sting and Pope who are faces again cause of the swerve, to save and help TNA. So Sting and Pope could recruit Samoa Joe to battle Abyss, Jarrert and Hardy. I also like to see RVD join They...TNA can make up a reason for RVD joining them like the power was too much to resists. Then Sting could then get Angle out of retirement if Angle retiring fro TNA is a storyline to join group to make odds even again. Sting group could be called The Elite, based of NWO Elite from late 90s. Hopefully they do this storyline better then Frontline vs. MEM.
Mandible_Claw
Dark Match Jobber
I personally loved the ending of this PPV, although I do not see how Hogan is beneficial to 'They'. The problem that long time wrestling fans is that we have prior knowledge as to previous angles played out such as the NWO so it is easy to just call 'They' a rehash of NWO, without enjoying the angle for what it is. I was surprised at Hardys turn and did mark out after seeing him hit both Angle and Anderson with the crutches, and I was surprised to even see Hogan make the PPV (still undecided as to whethter his spell in hospital was legit or kayfabe). Overall this angle did work for me rather than some satanic bullcrap ministry of dorkness faction taking over led by james mitchell.
Now my question from here is who else should be recruited for they. We already have Hardy,Hogan,Bischoff,Jarrett and Abyss, but I think it could work as a 10 man stable (to tie in nicely with the 10.10.10 theme). Members could be inducted gradually through twists and turns (simular to they way macho man and others joined NWO back in the day). In which case the 5 wrestlers i'd add to this faction are as followed.
1. Matt Hardy- he is undoubtly debuting in TNA at somepoint, have him as an initial enemy of the 'They' faction before turning and joining with them. I'd personally love to see a heel Hardy Boyz tag team run riot over TNA.
2. Desmond Wolfe- has the charismatic/dark edge needed to add to this stable. Great mouthpiece and great worker. Could eventually do a Luger and join Sting/Nash's potential reincarnation of the wolfpac
3. Robert Roode- Beer Money have achieved all they can do in a very limited tag team division. It's time this guy breaked out as a singles star. Have him beat AJ Styles for the television championship
4. Marcus Cor Von/Monty Brown- was in tna before i believe, has the perfect motivation to come back and reclaim tna for himself. Plus he is some extra added young muscle to the group aswell as remaining pretty unexposed elsewhere in the wrestling world.
5. Sean Morley- would make a great addition to this group, he has the charisma, muscle and ring work, tna should resign him now
I guess we will have to keep watching impact to find out what happens next.
(On a side note two wrestlers i'd like to see join Sting/Pope/Nash (providing him leaving tna is not legit) is hernandez and brian kendrick).
Now my question from here is who else should be recruited for they. We already have Hardy,Hogan,Bischoff,Jarrett and Abyss, but I think it could work as a 10 man stable (to tie in nicely with the 10.10.10 theme). Members could be inducted gradually through twists and turns (simular to they way macho man and others joined NWO back in the day). In which case the 5 wrestlers i'd add to this faction are as followed.
1. Matt Hardy- he is undoubtly debuting in TNA at somepoint, have him as an initial enemy of the 'They' faction before turning and joining with them. I'd personally love to see a heel Hardy Boyz tag team run riot over TNA.
2. Desmond Wolfe- has the charismatic/dark edge needed to add to this stable. Great mouthpiece and great worker. Could eventually do a Luger and join Sting/Nash's potential reincarnation of the wolfpac
3. Robert Roode- Beer Money have achieved all they can do in a very limited tag team division. It's time this guy breaked out as a singles star. Have him beat AJ Styles for the television championship
4. Marcus Cor Von/Monty Brown- was in tna before i believe, has the perfect motivation to come back and reclaim tna for himself. Plus he is some extra added young muscle to the group aswell as remaining pretty unexposed elsewhere in the wrestling world.
5. Sean Morley- would make a great addition to this group, he has the charisma, muscle and ring work, tna should resign him now
I guess we will have to keep watching impact to find out what happens next.
(On a side note two wrestlers i'd like to see join Sting/Pope/Nash (providing him leaving tna is not legit) is hernandez and brian kendrick).
Man, I really hate to be "that guy", but doesn't this scream unoriginal to you? This has been done before. I mean, I'm one of the few posters on this site that has completely gotten over the Attitude Era and the nWo era, but even I can't help but say that it must take some kind of fucking ego to try and stick us with this kind of storyline TWICE in TWO different promotions. How stupid do we all look? We're sick of the nWo. We were then and we are now.
We get it... Hogan's a legend. Can we please stop elevating him to "God" status by using the "I'm better than all of you" schtick?
Dean Winchester
Getting Noticed By Management
Since TNA is bringing back the NWO..like see them do stable based off DX now. Because it be perfect right about now with the whole rebellious guys going up against dictators/tyrants in Hogan and Bishoff. Not saying be like DX in doing crouch chop orf whatever its called, but be DX in that they are rebellious against Hogan and crew and not follow they rules because they dictators/tyrants. Also they can do what DX did when they were faces and that is cause mayhem against Hogan and crew.
Little Jerry Lawler
Sigmund Freud On Ritalin And Roids
I don't necessarily think Jeff is going to be a great heel just because he has people to talk for him. HHH was considered the biggest heel in the early 2000's but most of his heat could be attributed to the fact that everyone hated Stephanie McMahon. Same goes with Edge as he was associated with Lita and Vickie. If Hardy gets heat, I'm figuring it's going to be more them booing Bischoff, Hogan, Jarrett, and Abyss more than it is Jeff. I'm curious to see where this leads but I don't like the balance of faces and heels but hopefully it will work itself out.
'they' are coming?! 'they' were already fucking here?! god-damnit tna.... so what is this 'They-W-O 8.5' ????!!
i love this company. tna talent puts on more exciting matches than most of the wwe & i just have a general respect for the guys & their efforts in the ring. but this is a kick in the fucking nuts. the ppv was great. the tag title match was fantastic! mcmg & gen me went all out. ev2\fortune was a war, rvd\abyss pretty good, knockouts title match good & unexpected win by tara. & the tna title match kicked ass..... until the fucking end.... BAM! kicked in the nuts.... maybe 'they' should try again @ 11\11\11....
bischoff- expected. way better as a heel. been trying to show his evil side for months. but why act like a dick to jarrett for months (cleaning bathrooms\jobbing in the ring) & then have him 'forget' & join up together? russo logic i assume.
jarrett- saw it coming eventually. better as a heel. but once again the friend then foe then friend thing is strange. who were they trying to swerve- us or the guys in the back?
hogan- wtf. this dosent make sense. obviously nt really hurt that bad & its a fucking lazy booking to turn him heel & 'take over tna'. seen the exact same thing in wcw. this was a huge let down. didnt dixie already pretty much 'give' him tna when she brought him in? wtf... wtf.
abyss- how can 'they' be coming @ 10\10\10 when they WERE ALREADY FUCKING HERE??? my head is spinning from the back & forth 'swerves' & turns. hogan& abyss, hogan -vs- abyss & now hogan back with abyss? all in a few months. not one new person shows up. not a one.
jeff hardy- now this was a fucking big surprise. i would have halfway expected anderson, but hardy? whoa. this is a good idea. & threw us all off. but just one problem... why give him the title? what if he goes to jail? thats nt good for trying to build a positive image for the company. but the heel idea was great.
but the question is.... now what?
nash is most likely gone. sting & pope were right but still beat joe down. what does joe do now? join the guys that kicked his ass?
angle obviously is going to get revenge against hardy\hogan, no way hes going out like that. but where does that leave anderson in this?
rvd is fucking pissed @ hardy & still hates abyss. so now they all gonna team up against "They-W-O 8.5"?
so hogan, biscoff, hardy, jarret & abyss -vs- angle, pope, sting, rvd & joe? i think i kno who would win that fight hands fucking down.
so in the end this is going to end in a huge revenge faction storyline, which is exactly what the ev2\fortune thing has been... so might as well just team everyone up like.... oh yea... wcw... nwo... fuck my life. is bill murray booking in tna now? cuz this is just like 'groundhog day'.... jesus christ tna, ur making my head hurt.
-sincerely,
a very confused tna fan
i love this company. tna talent puts on more exciting matches than most of the wwe & i just have a general respect for the guys & their efforts in the ring. but this is a kick in the fucking nuts. the ppv was great. the tag title match was fantastic! mcmg & gen me went all out. ev2\fortune was a war, rvd\abyss pretty good, knockouts title match good & unexpected win by tara. & the tna title match kicked ass..... until the fucking end.... BAM! kicked in the nuts.... maybe 'they' should try again @ 11\11\11....
bischoff- expected. way better as a heel. been trying to show his evil side for months. but why act like a dick to jarrett for months (cleaning bathrooms\jobbing in the ring) & then have him 'forget' & join up together? russo logic i assume.
jarrett- saw it coming eventually. better as a heel. but once again the friend then foe then friend thing is strange. who were they trying to swerve- us or the guys in the back?
hogan- wtf. this dosent make sense. obviously nt really hurt that bad & its a fucking lazy booking to turn him heel & 'take over tna'. seen the exact same thing in wcw. this was a huge let down. didnt dixie already pretty much 'give' him tna when she brought him in? wtf... wtf.
abyss- how can 'they' be coming @ 10\10\10 when they WERE ALREADY FUCKING HERE??? my head is spinning from the back & forth 'swerves' & turns. hogan& abyss, hogan -vs- abyss & now hogan back with abyss? all in a few months. not one new person shows up. not a one.
jeff hardy- now this was a fucking big surprise. i would have halfway expected anderson, but hardy? whoa. this is a good idea. & threw us all off. but just one problem... why give him the title? what if he goes to jail? thats nt good for trying to build a positive image for the company. but the heel idea was great.
but the question is.... now what?
nash is most likely gone. sting & pope were right but still beat joe down. what does joe do now? join the guys that kicked his ass?
angle obviously is going to get revenge against hardy\hogan, no way hes going out like that. but where does that leave anderson in this?
rvd is fucking pissed @ hardy & still hates abyss. so now they all gonna team up against "They-W-O 8.5"?
so hogan, biscoff, hardy, jarret & abyss -vs- angle, pope, sting, rvd & joe? i think i kno who would win that fight hands fucking down.
so in the end this is going to end in a huge revenge faction storyline, which is exactly what the ev2\fortune thing has been... so might as well just team everyone up like.... oh yea... wcw... nwo... fuck my life. is bill murray booking in tna now? cuz this is just like 'groundhog day'.... jesus christ tna, ur making my head hurt.
-sincerely,
a very confused tna fan
Little Jerry Lawler
Sigmund Freud On Ritalin And Roids
I don't necessarily think Jeff is going to be a great heel just because he has people to talk for him. HHH was considered the biggest heel in the early 2000's but most of his heat could be attributed to the fact that everyone hated Stephanie McMahon. Same goes with Edge as he was associated with Lita and Vickie. If Hardy gets heat, I'm figuring it's going to be more them booing Bischoff, Hogan, Jarrett, and Abyss more than it is Jeff. I'm curious to see where this leads but I don't like the balance of faces and heels but hopefully it will work itself out.
I have to admit I don't really see the big deal in this whole thing. So we've revealed They.. And I have to admit it hardly lived up to the massive hype that it had. But then again, it couldn't possibly. Because the hype was bigger than anything they could possibly bring in.
However, I guess it's a nice surprise in some manner. I can't make much sense of it, but in some manner I guess it's surprising to watch Jeff Hardy as a heel again. I just don't get why they would put the world title on the guy, nor why they would actually have Abyss beating down on half of the guys who are a part of this whole faction.
Hogan, Bischoff and Jeff Jarrett hardly needs this either. Jeff Hardy and Abyss are the only two who could even remotely benefit from this faction. And they could've taken use of others as well.. But then again I guess this is truly the best that TNA has to offer if they want to make a heel faction of guys that aren't already busy being in Fortune.
Seems a bit of a mess right now though.. I mean.. We have 3 factions pretty much the size of 75% of the actively showcased roster? Seems a bit of a clusterfuck.. I mean, couldn't they just have made "they" 1 or 2 additional people?
Oh well.. I'm intrigued to see where this will go.. Hopefully TNA follows through with this in the same manner as it was hyped.
Also, I really hope that this wasn't the thing that would change the wrestling world forever.. Cause Jeff Hardy turning heel is hardly that big a deal.
However, I guess it's a nice surprise in some manner. I can't make much sense of it, but in some manner I guess it's surprising to watch Jeff Hardy as a heel again. I just don't get why they would put the world title on the guy, nor why they would actually have Abyss beating down on half of the guys who are a part of this whole faction.
Hogan, Bischoff and Jeff Jarrett hardly needs this either. Jeff Hardy and Abyss are the only two who could even remotely benefit from this faction. And they could've taken use of others as well.. But then again I guess this is truly the best that TNA has to offer if they want to make a heel faction of guys that aren't already busy being in Fortune.
Seems a bit of a mess right now though.. I mean.. We have 3 factions pretty much the size of 75% of the actively showcased roster? Seems a bit of a clusterfuck.. I mean, couldn't they just have made "they" 1 or 2 additional people?
Oh well.. I'm intrigued to see where this will go.. Hopefully TNA follows through with this in the same manner as it was hyped.
Also, I really hope that this wasn't the thing that would change the wrestling world forever.. Cause Jeff Hardy turning heel is hardly that big a deal.
The wrestling world is going to change forever?
What a disappointment.
Jeff Jarrett being involved in something like this I can understand, in character he's had the company he built taken away from him and yadda yadda. So it would've made sense if he had formed some kind of group to come in and gain revenge on Dixie Carter, even made up of mostly originals or the younger guys. That would've made sense. That would've been good (and I hate Jarrett). Hogan and Bischoff involved, though? Why? We don't need another rehash of the nWo, especially when neither Hogan and Bischoff are relevant anymore or can offer anything. Hogan's a cripple for god's sake!
I say who cares for the Jeff Hardy heel turn? Was I shocked. No. I wasn't expecting it, but I didn't give two shits either when it happened. It's Jeff Hardy. Mr. Anderson would've been a much better choice to be champion and the top star of this "They", because he's actually good as a heel. He can actually carry things on the mic. Hardy has nothing that's going to benefit this; no mic skills, no presence as a heel, and his wrestling style won't work at all as a heel. Instead of building a storyline that both makes sense and is beneficial to the company long term, they go for the quick swerve that no one sees (and no one sees it because it's a horrible idea). That's classic TNA.
Even worse... they already have a heel stable led by Ric Flair, made up of the top heels and guys who should be the future of the company and get their chance to carry it. AJ Styles, the greatest wrestler in TNA.. Beer Money, one of the best tag teams in the business today.. and not only do they lose to a bunch of old has-beens in EV2 on the biggest ppv of the year and lose all credibility, but they're now over shadowed by this "They" stable which is made up of less wrestlers and more old men trying to cling to their spotlights. This is ridiculous.
I knew this "They" storyline was going to be a let down, saw it coming a mile away, and yet I had the slimmest hope they'd actually surprise me. Once again TNA fails.
What a disappointment.
Jeff Jarrett being involved in something like this I can understand, in character he's had the company he built taken away from him and yadda yadda. So it would've made sense if he had formed some kind of group to come in and gain revenge on Dixie Carter, even made up of mostly originals or the younger guys. That would've made sense. That would've been good (and I hate Jarrett). Hogan and Bischoff involved, though? Why? We don't need another rehash of the nWo, especially when neither Hogan and Bischoff are relevant anymore or can offer anything. Hogan's a cripple for god's sake!
I say who cares for the Jeff Hardy heel turn? Was I shocked. No. I wasn't expecting it, but I didn't give two shits either when it happened. It's Jeff Hardy. Mr. Anderson would've been a much better choice to be champion and the top star of this "They", because he's actually good as a heel. He can actually carry things on the mic. Hardy has nothing that's going to benefit this; no mic skills, no presence as a heel, and his wrestling style won't work at all as a heel. Instead of building a storyline that both makes sense and is beneficial to the company long term, they go for the quick swerve that no one sees (and no one sees it because it's a horrible idea). That's classic TNA.
Even worse... they already have a heel stable led by Ric Flair, made up of the top heels and guys who should be the future of the company and get their chance to carry it. AJ Styles, the greatest wrestler in TNA.. Beer Money, one of the best tag teams in the business today.. and not only do they lose to a bunch of old has-beens in EV2 on the biggest ppv of the year and lose all credibility, but they're now over shadowed by this "They" stable which is made up of less wrestlers and more old men trying to cling to their spotlights. This is ridiculous.
I knew this "They" storyline was going to be a let down, saw it coming a mile away, and yet I had the slimmest hope they'd actually surprise me. Once again TNA fails.
manstis1804
Pre-Show Stalwart
The biggest problem with all this is that Bischoff and Hogan were already in power. Why did they see the need to swerve everyone for 9 months, from a kayfabe standpoint? I guess just for a "GOTCHA HAHAHA!" moment, but thats like a bad joke at the fans expense (literally, lots of people bought this PPV specifically for the They/Deception reveal), not good heat. Thats why I think this had to be a plan B, they wouldn't have planned for something to drag out this long just to do what we all thought would happen in the first place.
thadarksandman
Dark Match Jobber
the moral of the story, get busted on drug charges and TNA will make you the main event and part of the biggest angel they have had in years. See also RVD......
In all seriousness. i will readily admit im not a weekly TNA viewer, tho i check the results and watch it when i can, but didn't the "THEY" angle start with abyss TURNING on hogan? giving back his HOF ring or whatever? talk about plot holes.
as it is, a hardy heel turn is not grounbreaking, and hogan and bischoff were only really faces on paper. and jarrett....well few people in the buisness are as hated as he is so a turn is kinda moot. I hope it goes over well, but my gut sez this is a fall of WCW retread.....only this time Vince won't bail out the debt for it and then make it disappear forever.
In all seriousness. i will readily admit im not a weekly TNA viewer, tho i check the results and watch it when i can, but didn't the "THEY" angle start with abyss TURNING on hogan? giving back his HOF ring or whatever? talk about plot holes.
as it is, a hardy heel turn is not grounbreaking, and hogan and bischoff were only really faces on paper. and jarrett....well few people in the buisness are as hated as he is so a turn is kinda moot. I hope it goes over well, but my gut sez this is a fall of WCW retread.....only this time Vince won't bail out the debt for it and then make it disappear forever.
okay let's break it down
1) heel Hardy........never been done before, something fresh, also an more than likely, he joined Hogan an Bischoff cause of the ROCKSTAR comments made by RVD......
2) Bischoff......is better as a heel anyways....has the mind, the mouth, an the negativity that fans can draw off of giving him his heat......
3) Hogan......is only in this storyline to keep his NAME relevant, mark my words
4) Jarrett........I think that Jarrett was behind this all along, I mean just last year Dixie was pushing him out of HIS COMPANY, so he goes an gets two men whom he never liked to come in an make things right within his COMPANY, now Dixie was the one who made the Hogan/Bischoff debut at the press conference, but afterall Jarrett had little power at that time, so fast forward to the last 10 months, Jarrett getting picked on by Bischoff an finally Hogan telling him to lighten up, well the reason was because Foley had been fired, the only reason Foley was fired was because he was siding with Jarrett an "THEY" couldn't have that cause Foley would have gotten TOO close an noticed that Jarrett was trying to get HIS COMPANY back by any means necessary.......so fast forward to the last month Jarrett trying to get JOE (the guy that was supposed to be THE FACE of TNA) to join his cause an finally he gets it, all the while Nash, Sting, Pope realize what's going on, Nash being a former mentor to Joe tries to get him to realize just whats going on an join up with the guys who don't want TNA to fall to the Rise & Fall of WCW stylings that Hogan an Bischoff are known for.........Joe turns them down only to fast forward to 10-10-10/ Jarrett walking out on Joe........now you all wanna know why Joe was jumped by a inevitable face turn by Sting, Nash, Pope?
BECAUSE THEY ARE TRYING TO SHOW HIM TOUGH LOVE
ala Ahmed Johnson an The Nation of Domination.........so now Joe seemingly has no one to trust, he will go at this alone only to realize that he has help but will have to drop his wall an see that Sting, Nash an Pope were right all along, an were trying to get him to see it from the beginning.
Maikeru_1979
Pre-Show Stalwart
The Day that they announced that it would be a Triple Threat at the PPV was the instant that I knew Jeff was going to win.
But what I didn't see in all of it was Jeff being They along with Hogan, EasyE, Jarrett and Abyss. I actually thought that "They" would have at least 1 of Dixie's parents involved, although it sill can. Over all I really enjoyed the PPV and the reveal of Hardy turning. I was speechless. Just hope that they don't screw this up.
But what I didn't see in all of it was Jeff being They along with Hogan, EasyE, Jarrett and Abyss. I actually thought that "They" would have at least 1 of Dixie's parents involved, although it sill can. Over all I really enjoyed the PPV and the reveal of Hardy turning. I was speechless. Just hope that they don't screw this up.
sweetcosmicpope
Occasional Pre-Show
The way this all plays out depends on what happens Thursday.
Bob and Janice could hypothetically still have something to do with this. So many questions were answered and many new, huge questions were asked.
All the loose ends of the previous ten months have pretty much been tied up, but now we've moved forward and Hogan, Bischoff, and crew have some "'splainin' to do."
Bob and Janice could hypothetically still have something to do with this. So many questions were answered and many new, huge questions were asked.
All the loose ends of the previous ten months have pretty much been tied up, but now we've moved forward and Hogan, Bischoff, and crew have some "'splainin' to do."
SpecialFNK
Mid-Card Championship Winner
I'm not a fan of Jeff Jarrett. what is he right now, a wrestler or management?
I understand Jarrett being upset because he had the company/powers taken away from him and given to Hogan, but I just don't see him having an impact anymore.
what is the purpose of Hogan turning heel? what does that accomplish? Hogan now heel doesn't have any extra power that he already had before the heel turn. when he came in, he had all the management power he wanted.
Bischoff is the one who I could see turning heel and being the lead mic man/management person. Bischoff could see himself as someone who should be in charge and turn heel to take the company away from Dixie AND Hogan.
I would have rather seen Hogan stay face, because he could have had his face guys on his side, like RVD and Angle. Hogan could have been seen more than Dixie. now the face leader is going to be Dixie, all the time.
as surprising as it was to see Hardy turn, it would have been just as surprising to see Bischoff turn and Hogan NOT turn. Hogan and Bischoff have been together on so many things, you could have had Bischoff turn on Hogan. that would have been surprising.
I'm not expecting it, but I would love to see them kick out Jarrett and bring in Joe. I would buy Joe more and he would be more of an impact wrestler in the group.
if they are a group that wants to be dominant the way nWo was back in the day, they need wrestlers that can win the titles.
Hardy is the lead wrestler and TNA champion. although I think they could have done better with Anderson, even if that would not have been as surprising.
they need someone who can go after Styles Global title. IMO that would be perfect with Joe. after Styles loses that title, TNA could push Styles back into the TNA title scene. he could be someone to face off with Hardy.
you would then need a tag team to be with this new heel group. Bischoff could say they are scouting tag teams. you could have Bischoff/or Tessmacher by the entrance ramp during a MCMG match as if they are scouting MCMG. but it's not MCMG they are really interested in. I know apparently 3D is retiring, but they would be perfect for this new heel group. 3D has said they are retiring, from TNA. maybe this new heel group will be similar to nWo which wanted to be it's own company. 3D is retiring from TNA, to be with "new group" ..but fans don't know that. 3D wants one more match with MCMG. so during the 3D/MCMG tag team match, Bischoff/or others come out. since they were scouting MCMG fans will assume they are there to help MCMG, but they will instead help 3D and 3D wins the tag team titles and joins the new group. they could then have 3D against Beer Money.
you could have "they" vs Fortune in many battles.
IF it would be good to keep Jarrett in they, maybe all that ^ can happen, but with Jarrett as Global champion instead of bringing in Joe? then "they" could be all veteran wrestlers vs Fortune who are the future of wrestling.
I understand Jarrett being upset because he had the company/powers taken away from him and given to Hogan, but I just don't see him having an impact anymore.
what is the purpose of Hogan turning heel? what does that accomplish? Hogan now heel doesn't have any extra power that he already had before the heel turn. when he came in, he had all the management power he wanted.
Bischoff is the one who I could see turning heel and being the lead mic man/management person. Bischoff could see himself as someone who should be in charge and turn heel to take the company away from Dixie AND Hogan.
I would have rather seen Hogan stay face, because he could have had his face guys on his side, like RVD and Angle. Hogan could have been seen more than Dixie. now the face leader is going to be Dixie, all the time.
as surprising as it was to see Hardy turn, it would have been just as surprising to see Bischoff turn and Hogan NOT turn. Hogan and Bischoff have been together on so many things, you could have had Bischoff turn on Hogan. that would have been surprising.
I'm not expecting it, but I would love to see them kick out Jarrett and bring in Joe. I would buy Joe more and he would be more of an impact wrestler in the group.
if they are a group that wants to be dominant the way nWo was back in the day, they need wrestlers that can win the titles.
Hardy is the lead wrestler and TNA champion. although I think they could have done better with Anderson, even if that would not have been as surprising.
they need someone who can go after Styles Global title. IMO that would be perfect with Joe. after Styles loses that title, TNA could push Styles back into the TNA title scene. he could be someone to face off with Hardy.
you would then need a tag team to be with this new heel group. Bischoff could say they are scouting tag teams. you could have Bischoff/or Tessmacher by the entrance ramp during a MCMG match as if they are scouting MCMG. but it's not MCMG they are really interested in. I know apparently 3D is retiring, but they would be perfect for this new heel group. 3D has said they are retiring, from TNA. maybe this new heel group will be similar to nWo which wanted to be it's own company. 3D is retiring from TNA, to be with "new group" ..but fans don't know that. 3D wants one more match with MCMG. so during the 3D/MCMG tag team match, Bischoff/or others come out. since they were scouting MCMG fans will assume they are there to help MCMG, but they will instead help 3D and 3D wins the tag team titles and joins the new group. they could then have 3D against Beer Money.
you could have "they" vs Fortune in many battles.
IF it would be good to keep Jarrett in they, maybe all that ^ can happen, but with Jarrett as Global champion instead of bringing in Joe? then "they" could be all veteran wrestlers vs Fortune who are the future of wrestling.
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