They are Hardy, Jarrett, Abyss, Hogan and Bischoff; The Immortals

[Big Nick Dudley]

That just makes no sense at all. Jeff Hardy, whether you like him or not is or was the uber-babyface in wrestling

Was. Definitely was. At this point in time, on a scale larger than TNA's core fans, no one cares. The general wrestling fan just doesn't care. Smarks on the internet, like you and I, care about TNA. But not the general public.

Of course his heel turn is a huge deal, it has sent shock waves through not only TNA but fans who don't even watch it are jumping online with opinions. I can't tell you how to feel, but everyone I know who is even remotely interested in wrestling, are both stunned and surprised about the outcome.

Yeah, you're taking it a bit far. If that many people cared about this angle, TNA would have seen a HUGE jump in the ratings on Monday. They had a bit of a jump, I'll give them that much. But this angle is nowhere near as big as you are making it out to be (among the general public).

I'm really interested to see how TNA is going to run with this. It will be either the best move they've made in years or the biggest mistake ever. I guess we'll have to wait and find out.

I hope it works out, but I'm not holding onto much hope. And I'm not talking about quality. I'm talking about this angle drawing in fans. I doubt it can do that. This isn't 1996, and Jeff Hardy isn't Hulk Hogan. It worked for WCW in 1996 because Hulk Hogan was the biggest name in pro wrestling history. Jeff Hardy is nowhere near that status.

 

[Kitten Cutter]

This isn't 1996, and Jeff Hardy isn't Hulk Hogan. It worked for WCW in 1996 because Hulk Hogan was the biggest name in pro wrestling history. Jeff Hardy is nowhere near that status.

Here's the thing. Bash at the Beach had some build-up and drama to it. People hadn't seen Hogan in awhile, so when he came out people were surprised and cheering, then he drops the legdrop and people just lost it. Several things happened after a long dramatic storyline for the payoff at the PPV. Jeff was already in the main event, so him being helped by Hogan and Bischoff was the only shock, which really isn't much since the World Title is a huge ultimate goal. if THEY had given us a big-name wrestler we haven't seen running in and hitting their finisher to help Jeff win and join the group, that wouldn't equal BATB but it would get the outside fans (not casual fans like Hogan did) to be surprised and tune in to see what happened.

Honestly, if Matt Hardy had showed up at Bound For Glory and helped Jeff win, that would be a minor but interesting buzz since Matt (at the time) still in the WWE. You may think I'm nuts, but think about it.

"Yo, the Hardy Boyz are back together in TNA! Matt just showed up out of nowhere last night."

"Really? I thought he was still in the WWE."

"Guess not! He helped Jeff win the title."

"How?"

"I don't know. Let's look it up online."

If Batista, Shane McMahon, Paul Heyman, The Rock or Stone Cold Steve Austin had done it that would have generated major buzz. If Shelton Benjamin had done it that would have been minor buzz. Unfortunately, none of those guys wanted to sign with TNA, so they went with what they had.

 

[The Pizzaman]

That just makes no sense at all. Jeff Hardy, whether you like him or not is or was the uber-babyface in wrestling, not even Cena came close to being as over as he was.

Of course his heel turn is a huge deal, it has sent shock waves through not only TNA but fans who don't even watch it are jumping online with opinions. I can't tell you how to feel, but everyone I know who is even remotely interested in wrestling, are both stunned and surprised about the outcome.

I'm really interested to see how TNA is going to run with this. It will be either the best move they've made in years or the biggest mistake ever. I guess we'll have to wait and find out.[/QUOTE

On your first point. Jeff Hardy being the uber Face. No chance. How can you even say that? Sure, Jeff Hardy is a talented wrestler who has held gold numerous times, was part of one of the best tag teams ever and is one one the main players in TNA . i will tell you why he will never be the uber face. Sure, Hardy is now the TNA world heavyweight champion but needed outside interference from Hogan, Bischoff, Jarrett and Abyss to win. Hogan was the uber face till he turned whilst in WCW. He was and still is the most recognised name in the wrestling industry, even more than Flair.

On your second point, I dont see how you can say that its sending shockwaves through the wrestling fans. I agree to a point that it was a shock to see Hardy sell out but the fact is its more the fact that i feel you were looking on Hardy being the cornerstone of TNA which Hardy is not. He did increase the ratings but nowhere as much aas when Hogan and Bischoff debuted and also when Flair debuted.
Now I hope that TNA will find a way out of the shit they have caused themselves. I care about TNA also and hope they can salvage something out of this and this angle will dissolve quickly and TNA can get back to normal

 

[Dizzy]

That just makes no sense at all. Jeff Hardy, whether you like him or not is or was the uber-babyface in wrestling, not even Cena came close to being as over as he was.

Of course his heel turn is a huge deal, it has sent shock waves through not only TNA but fans who don't even watch it are jumping online with opinions. I can't tell you how to feel, but everyone I know who is even remotely interested in wrestling, are both stunned and surprised about the outcome.

I'm really interested to see how TNA is going to run with this. It will be either the best move they've made in years or the biggest mistake ever. I guess we'll have to wait and find out.

On your first point. Jeff Hardy being the uber Face. No chance. How can you even say that? Sure, Jeff Hardy is a talented wrestler who has held gold numerous times, was part of one of the best tag teams ever and is one one the main players in TNA . i will tell you why he will never be the uber face. Sure, Hardy is now the TNA world heavyweight champion but needed outside interference from Hogan, Bischoff, Jarrett and Abyss to win. Hogan was the uber face till he turned whilst in WCW. He was and still is the most recognised name in the wrestling industry, even more than Flair.

On your second point, I dont see how you can say that its sending shockwaves through the wrestling fans. I agree to a point that it was a shock to see Hardy sell out but the fact is its more the fact that i feel you were looking on Hardy being the cornerstone of TNA which Hardy is not. He did increase the ratings but nowhere as much aas when Hogan and Bischoff debuted and also when Flair debuted.
Now I hope that TNA will find a way out of the shit they have caused themselves. I care about TNA also and hope they can salvage something out of this and this angle will dissolve quickly and TNA can get back to normal

You have no idea what your talking about.

What is there to salvage? They put together an angle that drew the 2nd highest ratings of the year. Third highest in company history. You want things to back to normal which is mediocrity?

Are you really trying to say Hogan/Bischoff are the cornerstones and Hardy isn't? The same Jeff Hardy that was more over than Cena last year? C'mon son.

TNA has finally created a buzz and some exposure. Your basically bitching about it and wanting the old tired shit all over again. Might as well stop watching if you want that.

 

[The Pizzaman]

You have no idea what your talking about.

What is there to salvage? They put together an angle that drew the 2nd highest ratings of the year. Third highest in company history. You want things to back to normal which is mediocrity?

Are you really trying to say Hogan/Bischoff are the cornerstones and Hardy isn't? The same Jeff Hardy that was more over than Cena last year? C'mon son.

TNA has finally created a buzz and some exposure. Your basically bitching about it and wanting the old tired shit all over again. Might as well stop watching if you want that.

You are right. TNA has made a buzz and exposure. That I cant doubt. As for bitching about it you got that wrong. I'm disappointed as to how they have gone about it. The hype regarding "THEY" made out that something special was going to happen at Bound For Glory. The only surprise was that they used Hardy as the only surprise. Every one else involved with "THEY"was quite predictable. TNA created a buzz almost a year ago when Hogan and Bischoff debuted. As for Hardy being the cornerstone of the company. So you are saying that if Jeff were to leave TNA then it would come crashing down? I dont think so. WWE fired Jeff for God sake. Im not taking anything away from Jeff as i am a fan of his but he is replaceable. as for wanting tired old shit again well all I can say is bollocks. Give me storylines that will keep me interested and not just copies of storylines from other promotions. "THEY" has been done before. Its been done in WCW with NWO and more recently in WWE with NEXUS.

 

[Navi]

On your first point. Jeff Hardy being the uber Face. No chance. How can you even say that? Sure, Jeff Hardy is a talented wrestler who has held gold numerous times, was part of one of the best tag teams ever and is one one the main players in TNA . i will tell you why he will never be the uber face. Sure, Hardy is now the TNA world heavyweight champion but needed outside interference from Hogan, Bischoff, Jarrett and Abyss to win. Hogan was the uber face till he turned whilst in WCW. He was and still is the most recognised name in the wrestling industry, even more than Flair.

Sorry it took so long to get back on this, but it looks like the thread was merged and I couldn't find for awhile.

I totally disagree with you. Hardy is the one wrestler that get's the biggest pop whenever his music hits. Even Cena and Orton, can't come close to him. He was the uber face in wrestling today, and that's why his heel turn was such a surprise. Not even Cena turning heel would be a surprise anymore, since it's been reported on over and over again. Yea Jeff Hardy was the last wrestler anyone expected to do a heel turn.

On your second point, I dont see how you can say that its sending shockwaves through the wrestling fans. I agree to a point that it was a shock to see Hardy sell out but the fact is its more the fact that i feel you were looking on Hardy being the cornerstone of TNA which Hardy is not. He did increase the ratings but nowhere as much aas when Hogan and Bischoff debuted and also when Flair debuted.
Now I hope that TNA will find a way out of the shit they have caused themselves. I care about TNA also and hope they can salvage something out of this and this angle will dissolve quickly and TNA can get back to normal

I know people that won't watch TNA if you paid them, they absolutely hate the product. They used to be fans but TNA has this way of pissing people off. They turned in Thursday night to watch, because they couldn't believe what happened.

Maybe I am making too much of it, but seriously if someone had told you Jeff Hardy would be doing a heel turn at BFG, would you have believed them?

 

[SpecialFNK]

just because WWE fired Hardy doesn't mean he can't be a star somewhere else.

even if people expected Hogan/Bischoff to turn heel doesn't mean the angle is going to fail. Hogan/Bischoff could do a better job as heels, but when Hogan/Bischoff first came in your weren't going to have them debut as heels.

also because WWE just recently did something like this does not mean that TNA is "copying". if TNA is copying WWE, then who is WWE copying? because most story lines have all been done before.
even if this story line now is similar to nWo, TNA can still do it differently.

 

[mrbooker]

On your first point. Jeff Hardy being the uber Face. No chance. How can you even say that? Sure, Jeff Hardy is a talented wrestler who has held gold numerous times, was part of one of the best tag teams ever and is one one the main players in TNA . i will tell you why he will never be the uber face. Sure, Hardy is now the TNA world heavyweight champion but needed outside interference from Hogan, Bischoff, Jarrett and Abyss to win. Hogan was the uber face till he turned whilst in WCW. He was and still is the most recognised name in the wrestling industry, even more than Flair.

On your second point, I dont see how you can say that its sending shockwaves through the wrestling fans. I agree to a point that it was a shock to see Hardy sell out but the fact is its more the fact that i feel you were looking on Hardy being the cornerstone of TNA which Hardy is not. He did increase the ratings but nowhere as much aas when Hogan and Bischoff debuted and also when Flair debuted.
Now I hope that TNA will find a way out of the shit they have caused themselves. I care about TNA also and hope they can salvage something out of this and this angle will dissolve quickly and TNA can get back to normal

Fist of all Jeff Hardy was THE MOST POPULAR wrestler in WWE more than Orton and more than Cena top to bottom, had better feuds, better matches, better reaction from the crowd, and still kept the kiddies happy with his t shirts. Sure its not hogan but the most popular wrestler meaning having the most fans...the past 5 years of wrestling is Jeff Hardy.

Second Jeff Fired... WWE went to Jeff and asked him to go into a program, Jeff refused and said he rather quit, in other words WWE made a offer Jeff Hardy refused

Third if Jeff turned heel in WWE it would be a huge deal the fact that its in TNA is what takes away from it it has nothing to do with Jeff Hardy

Fourth TNA was not great before its NEVER going to go back to the old TNA, what they did before had a small following but it doesnt sell, it doesnt get attention AJ styles, Joe, Angle could have the greatest matches on the earth and nobody would care Hogan, Flair, and yes Jeff Hardy to bring attention to TNA. If TNA goes back to the old TNA they might as well pack it in because star power is EVERYTHING in wrestling and right now the have the best available names on their show, new stars cannot be created if they dont have stars to fed with out beat in climax matches

 

[Dizzy]

I know people that won't watch TNA if you paid them, they absolutely hate the product. They used to be fans but TNA has this way of pissing people off. They turned in Thursday night to watch, because they couldn't believe what happened.

It's not about the product. It's just the fact, they dislike anything that isn't WWE. The only people who really complain about products is us internet fans. But again, his heel turn made WWE marks and everyone else who heard about it turn and watch to find out.

The industry will never change until fans do. It's apparently become a crime to leave one company and be a bigger star in another.

 

[Navi]

It's not about the product. It's just the fact, they dislike anything that isn't WWE. The only people who really complain about products is us internet fans. But again, his heel turn made WWE marks and everyone else who heard about it turn and watch to find out.

The industry will never change until fans do. It's apparently become a crime to leave one company and be a bigger star in another.

This is something I will never understand about wrestling fans. I call myself a fan and like both WWE and TNA. Just can't get my brain around the fact that someone won't watch anything other than WWE. What they've been putting out the last year or so is nothing but crap, that's why I went back to TNA, it's enjoyable to watch.

A lot of fans go on about TNA hiring ex WWE guys and copying storylines. My response to that is, wrestling is a niche product and there are only so many wrestlers of any worth available, also the WWE rehash storylines all the time and no one seems to complain. There is no rule that I know of that says you can't be a fan of both, so until that goes into effect, I'll just continue to watch.

 

[The Pizzaman]

I am a Lifelong fan of both TNA and WWE. In fact, I'm going to a Live RAW event in November and a Live TNA event in January. As much as i dislike the storyline in TNA, and I have posted on here my views against other peoples opinions mind. I will stress that they are MY OPINIONS. I also dislike the Nexus storyline in WWE also but its not going to stop me tuning in every week. I can take the good with the bad. I don't come on here and slag off every ex WWE superstar who jumps ship to TNA or the other way round. I don't come on here and complain about every storyline that may have been done before in other promotions but i do have a right to voice my opinion if I feel it warrants it. Some of you may agree and others may disagree. That is the same in any forum and I can take criticism. What gets me are the people who dislike either TNA or WWE and think that one is better than the other one. Both promotions have good points and bad points and you can enjoy both but if you don't like both then just talk about the company you do like

 

[Kidd]

It's too big. As in too many people.

I was all onboard when it was just Hogan, Bischoff, Abyss, Jarret and Hardy.

But now they have fortune added as well?

It seems too big for anyone to stop.

I mean are we to believe that Angle, Pope, and Anderson are going to stop these guys from Taking over? Oh I forgot RVD but one more guy really isn't making that huge of a difference.

I guess they could get help from the EV2 guys but are these guys young enough to keep up?

I dunno. Maybe I'm just reading too much into it.

 

[mrbooker]

Fortune had to be in it, or else Fortune would have been a BUST for a faction, the other option was fortune against immortal which would not have worked because:

Hardy Abyss Jarret vs fortune would get dominated by the numbers game, which means Immortal would have needed more people to make it believable, and there is no way "they" could have been that big unless they were from outside the company, their would be way to many pieces moving to culminate in one night.

So they joined two stables, they teased fortune vs immortal and the crowd reacted to it so maybe it will be in the future

 

[TNYankee]

The fan reaction to this good or bad is phenomenal which tells me it worked. Personally I am not surprised at least with Hogan and Bischoff, I have a big problem with Flair I just cant take him seriously anymore I respect his accomplishments though, I think if there is a group that will take it to this new stable I think RVD will be a big part of it, Maybe Angle and Mr Anderson too just based on the problems they've had with Slapnuts errr I mean Jeff Jarrett I admit it has peeked my interest but it will never compare to the nWo or DX

 

[It's Damn Real!]

If you were even half paying attention during the first 30 minutes of iMPACT! tonight, you heard Bischoff tell Flair (after his debacle with the Knockouts to open the show) that Hogan was out "taking care of business" with regards to "acquisitions for Immortal", and the follow-up on ReAction only reinforced the idea when Bischoff was quoted as saying that while there was no one who could make Immortal "stronger", there are some who could make them more "vibrant".

Take that to mean what you will, but considering the early dissension in the ranks with Doug(las) Williams and Matt Morgan being beaten out of the group at the close of the program, there's certainly a roster spot or two open, no?

So, what kind of "acquisition" could be had that would make Immortal more "vibrant"?

 

[hatehabsforever]

If you were even half paying attention during the first 30 minutes of iMPACT! tonight, you heard Bischoff tell Flair (after his debacle with the Knockouts to open the show) that Hogan was out "taking care of business" with regards to "acquisitions for Immortal", and the follow-up on ReAction only reinforced the idea when Bischoff was quoted as saying that while there was no one who could make Immortal "stronger", there are some who could make them more "vibrant".

Take that to mean what you will, but considering the early dissension in the ranks with Doug(las) Williams and Matt Morgan being beaten out of the group at the close of the program, there's certainly a roster spot or two open, no?

So, what kind of "acquisition" could be had that would make Immortal more "vibrant"?

Not really sure which acquisitions he could be referring to, but I'm sure "they" are coming and when they do, they'll change the professional wrestling landscape forever. TNA wrestling will never be the same once they arrive. If you don't believe me, just check the flurry of tweets I'm sure we'll all be reading over the next period of time.

Sarcasm aside, I guess they could be talking about acquiring Matt Hardy. Adding him into the faction, where his brother already is, would seem to be logical. Maybe they could even entice Helms into the picture as well. You know, lose two guys from the group, but gain two guys back. Adding Shane Helms would be a good addition, not too sure about Matt Hardy though. Then again, if they are being brought in to replace Morgan and Williams, it's not like the bar has been set particularly high.

 

[jccool420]

At the beginning of Impact, Bischoff said Hogan was handling business elsewhere and mentioned it had to do with a new contract signing...

Then at the end of ReAction Bischoff said there are people that would add energy to Immortal and make it more vibrant...

So, who is it???

My first picks would be Matt Hardy and Shane Helms...

Matt said on a YouTube video that he doesn't have the 90 day clause and Kurt Angle asked him when he was coming to TNA, in which he replied You never know where I'll show up... Plus he is Jeff's brother and I don't think he'll be the savior that some people want him to be, at least not right away... Heel Hardy Boyz will have a run in TNA...

Helms also is friends with the Hardyz and I'm surprised he is not there already...

Any other ideas? Hass and Benjamin? Knox? Thorn? Carlito?

 

[ARLO]

I really hope it's Matt. I don't care what other people are saying bout him, I'd love to see the Hardy Boyz in TNA.

 

[Big Nick Dudley]

I would guess this has to be Matt Hardy..because who else would it be? If Hardy doesn't have the 90-day clause, expect his rather soon.

What would they do with Matt? Who knows. He might join Immortal, but I don't think that would be all that great. What could Matt do? Be Jeff's slave? Jeff is the TNA World champion, so I doubt they are making a run at the tag belts.

I think Matt should come in and go after Jeff. If he brings the Hurricane, whatever. I'm not a big Matt Hardy fan..actually I think he's terrible. But if TNA is going to do something with him more so than WWE did, probably not a good idea to just have him be another member of Immortal.

 

[czar76]

Likely Matt Hardy/Helms or a few other wwe cast off's but we need not forget that TNA has signed a deal with AAA so some or all could be from there.

 

[Honkey_Kong]

TNA doesn't need more WWE rejects. And Matt Hardy's new character is just ******ed. He's proof that some wrestlers need writers. I wonder if Hardy realises that he'd never get the TNA title either.

 

[The Whole F'N Show]

Here's an interesting point I found. The 90 Day Clause is from when he last wrestled on WWE TV, and the last time he was on TV was around August, so his 90 Day No Compete Clause should end around Turning Point. I'd still rather see Matt feud with Jeff once he drops the belt

 

[Hollywood Naitch]

I cant see it being anyone other than Matt Hardy. TNA officials will have a major hard on over having both the Hardy Boyz in TNA at the same time, so I would expect them to be throwing dollars at Matt begging him to join the company, simply for the popularity of the brothers as a tag team and their name value.

Unless Matt has lost weight and got his hunger back (and I really hope he has), I cannot see Matt Hardy having much impact in TNA. If he has....then there is a possibility of him making a few waves, probably in a feud with Jeff over the belt