They are Hardy, Jarrett, Abyss, Hogan and Bischoff; The Immortals

[Navi]

I don't get why fans have been saying for months they don't understand or couldn't get the "THEY" angle. For me it started back when Sting tried to explain it to Dixie and Eric suspended him in order to keep him quiet. Sting and Nash trying to tell everybody that Hogan and EB were snakes in the grass, while some of it seemed convoluted, now it makes sense.

Hogan and Eric wanted control of the company from Dixie who had started over ruling some of their decisions, Hogan said quite a few on Impact and ReAction over the last few months that he "needs to have words" with Dixie and set her straight, no one knew what it meant as he never elaborated, but now it's understandable what he meant.

I don't know why they turned Hardy heel, maybe it was because he felt he was pushed aside for RVD. But with all that happened at BFG, yeah it pretty much makes sense.

 

[Zeven_Zion]

"They" were already there. What a horrible cop-out. TNA was basically trying to fool people into believing there was going to be some big, over-the-top appearance by some new face(s) in TNA. You all heard the names; Batista, Shawn Michaels, Shane McMahon, etc. Nothing even close to any of that happened. Did I think it would? Hell no, and I'm sure any clear-thinking fan didn't either.

So you're telling me that you're pissed cuz they hinted that a big outsider would be in "they" but wasn't. Okay, let me ask you this. Are you also pissed every time WWE, TNA or ANY wrestling company hypes a match as "the most legendary match in WWE/TNA history"? 'Cause you know, they do that ALL the time. Every match is the biggest, every match is the baddest, every PPV is one of a kind, and it turns out to be either stupid or above average. Do you come on these forums and bitch about that? No. It's called PROMOTING YOUR FUCKING PAY PER VIEW SO PEOPLE WILL BUY IT! You hype it as much as possible, otherwise noone will buy this shit. Yes TNA tricked you. One more reason why they're the ones getting paid to do the job they do, and you're the one shitting on the product of professionals while I'm SURE you've never even stepped foot in a ring. Nor have I, but I damn sure loved that PPV.

I'm alright with you not being happy with the ending. People need to understand that it's very subjective, but you're pissed for the shittiest reasons. Nit picking your ass off and shit.

Jeff Hardy? Joining up with Abyss? Haven't they beat the holy living hell out of one another, on and off, for months now? I'm supposed to believe this was planned out all along? Hogan/Bischoff/Russo/whoever is in charge of creative, basically threw bullshit in everyones faces for months, having no clue who the actual members of THEY would actually be.

Yes they have. But unless you've had your head up your ass for the last 9 months - DECEPTION! DECEPTION! DECEPTION! Follow Sting's advice and read between the lines, ya dunce. Yes they beat the shit out of eachother, but it was to fool everyone, to DECEIVE everyone. "They" were clearly ready to do ANYTHING to achieve their goals. For cryin' out loud Abyss branded a guy and fucked up RVD beyond belief - I'm pretty sure he'd slug it out with Hardy a couple of times and live through it, in order to help keep the secret a secret.

And what in the hell happened to Samoa Joe when he was abducted? I was quite sure something would be said about that, but not even close. No explanation, at all. And don't tell me it was "THEY." Because if it was "THEY" Joe wouldn't have come back as a complete badass, going against them. And if it's a swerve, why didn't he join up on Sunday night? It's a mess, and no one in the creative dept. had a clue what was going to happen, again.

Well now I'm sure you're just running your gums for no reason. Joe? Something that happened over 7 months ago? You're still cranky about that? Are you fucking kidding me? ONE unexplained thing. ONE. Just ONE. My God you people are running out of shit to bitch about, aren't ya? So you go back as far as possible to find crap to moan about. Pathetic.

The whole thing stunk. The TNA creative dept. cheated everyone. They threw this together in a terrible, shitty way, and just expected everyone to buy into it. And what's unfortunate, is that some of you are so blind when it comes to TNA, you will have no choice but to completely disagree with every, single valid point I just made.

THAT'S THE POINT YOU IDIOT! They cheated us all. Nobody saw Hardy turning. NOBODY. The majority of the audience didn't like it - the trash in the ring was an evidence. But deep down inside everyone respected it, 'cause TNA outsmarked the smarks, including yours truly. You're just pissed they fooled you. Deal with it. I read the spoilers for the next two weeks and it ain't bad at all, AT ALL.

Feel free to hate the angle, but hate it for the right reasons. There's a lot more to like about it than to hate, you just refuse to see it. But, fuck me, don't listen to me, I'm blind, right?

 

[BB79]

The point is, there was no one or nothing NEW. Someone coming means they aren't here yet. Get rid of these old farts. They're pushing 60!!!! Come in with a stable of Japanese wrestlers and an evil rich investor/CEO, that buys off the number one or two face at a crucial point. An Aberto Del Rio type with a stable of illegal aliens. Something NEW. NEW faces.

 

[Big Nick Dudley]

So you're telling me that you're pissed cuz they hinted that a big outsider would be in "they" but wasn't.

No..I made that quite clear. I knew there would be no chance in hell TNA was landing a big fish to make a big splash. Why? Because no one was availabe, no one that matters at least. I was/am pissed because the entire angle, which seemingly took 28 years to develop, was sloppy and overbooked. The whole slogan was "THEY are COMING!" "COMING!" you idiot, not "NOT ALREADY HERE!" It was a sham from the start, and maybe you're not blind, but you sure are stupid.

Okay, let me ask you this. Are you also pissed every time WWE, TNA or ANY wrestling company hypes a match as "the most legendary match in WWE/TNA history"? 'Cause you know, they do that ALL the time. Every match is the biggest, every match is the baddest, every PPV is one of a kind, and it turns out to be either stupid or above average. Do you come on these forums and bitch about that? No. It's called PROMOTING YOUR FUCKING PAY PER VIEW SO PEOPLE WILL BUY IT! You hype it as much as possible, otherwise noone will buy this shit. Yes TNA tricked you. One more reason why they're the ones getting paid to do the job they do, and you're the one shitting on the product of professionals while I'm SURE you've never even stepped foot in a ring. Nor have I, but I damn sure loved that PPV.

Ok, so through all of that garbage you just spewed, the main question asks, "Do I get just as angry with WWE as I do TNA?" The answer is yes. But, I get angry with TNA far more often because of shit like this.

EDIT: Also, I love it when TNA super-marks automatically bring the WWE into it. Whenever TNA does something someone doesn't like, TNA smarks bitch about that person not giving equal shit to WWE. It's pathetic, and makes your argument look that much weaker (if that's even possible).

I'm alright with you not being happy with the ending.

No you're not. You're a mindless mark.

People need to understand that it's very subjective, but you're pissed for the shittiest reasons. Nit picking your ass off and shit.

Nitpicking? At huge, GAPING holes in TNA's biggest storyline? That's hardly nit picking.

Yes they have. But unless you've had your head up your ass for the last 9 months - DECEPTION! DECEPTION! DECEPTION! Follow Sting's advice and read between the lines, ya dunce. Yes they beat the shit out of eachother, but it was to fool everyone, to DECEIVE everyone. "They" were clearly ready to do ANYTHING to achieve their goals. For cryin' out loud Abyss branded a guy and fucked up RVD beyond belief - I'm pretty sure he'd slug it out with Hardy a couple of times and live through it, in order to help keep the secret a secret.

So you believe this was actually planned out from the start of this angle? That Jeff Hardy would be the big fish to jump ship? Well either, A. You're right, and that is the most poorly executed idea of all time, or B. It was done on-the-fly, not long before this PPV. I'm going with B.

I get the "DECEPTION" thing. I get Sting and Nash running around talking about how bad of a person Hogan is. If that would have been it, the "Deception," I wouldn't have nearly as big of a problem. But when THEY are supposed to be "coming," and it turns out 'THEY' are already there..it's an issue, whether you agree or not.

Well now I'm sure you're just running your gums for no reason. Joe? Something that happened over 7 months ago? You're still cranky about that? Are you fucking kidding me? ONE unexplained thing. ONE. Just ONE. My God you people are running out of shit to bitch about, aren't ya? So you go back as far as possible to find crap to moan about. Pathetic.

Yeah...a huge HOLE! It was NEVER explained. Not even a mention of what might have happened to him. It's a pretty big hole in the plot. But thanks for typing that out, you're basically making my case for me.

THAT'S THE POINT YOU IDIOT! They cheated us all. Nobody saw Hardy turning. NOBODY. The majority of the audience didn't like it - the trash in the ring was an evidence. But deep down inside everyone respected it, 'cause TNA outsmarked the smarks, including yours truly. You're just pissed they fooled you. Deal with it. I read the spoilers for the next two weeks and it ain't bad at all, AT ALL.

Nobody saw it coming..because it wouldn't have made ANY sense! And it didn't. A shocking surprise isn't always a quality shocking surprise, and this is a prime example of just that. Hardy had his own personal issues with Abyss leading up to 10.10.10, so it wasn't logical to believe he was one of the people Abyss was talking about.

I'm pissed they fooled me? I'm a wrestling fan..being fooled is kind of fun, when it's done well. So you accusing me of whatever is way off base. It boils down to the fact that I have a major problem with how this angle went, from start to finish. And you were right earlier in saying it's subjective. And in my opinion, this was cheap, overbooked, and of low quality.

Feel free to hate the angle, but hate it for the right reasons. There's a lot more to like about it than to hate, you just refuse to see it. But, fuck me, don't listen to me, I'm blind, right?

Completely subjective. You like to throw that word around, so let it apply to yourself as well. You like shitty wrestling angles? That's fine, I don't care. But don't expect me, a fan of the company, a person who has paid for PPV's, to just sit around and say nothing when I feel something is wrong. Don't get your panties in a bunch everytime a FAN! calls out TNA.

 

[shattered dreams]

As far as names go I wonder if Omega comes in to play at some point? I could see Matt Hardy coming in and forming an Omega with Ink inc, Helms and maybe some others to oppose Jeff's group. Maybe they are named alpha something or other then. Although Matt could just join Jeff and Omega something could be the group.

 

[Fan_of_Wrestling]

I've been reading some of the news stories coming through and it's got me wondering who with "they" be battling?

If I'm led to believe everything I've read:

* Kurt Angle is taking some time out to be rested up, he also lost his retirement match.

* Mr. Anderson injured his back, I'm told it was a large gash on his back, so might not be out that long.

* Sting is injured and is taking some time off and Kevin Nash's contract is up... Pope can't go it alone.

* Fortune are Heels... and I don't see there motivation unless we have more Flair Hates Hogan...?

The only group I can see going up against is *Sign* EV2 as they are Dixie's guys, or Samoa Joe, can you guys think of any good feuds for "Them"?

 

[It's Damn Real!]

I was actually going to write up a thread on "They" v. Fortune, because that's exactly what I see happening, but just didn't have the time today to formulate it before you got this up. Oh well.

I think Fortune will be the first to feud with them full-time, as just as you noted, I think the hinge will be Flair v. Hogan. It's no secret they have history and never got along so who better than a tweener group (since they aren't full fledged faces) to take them on — especially a group who's very formation was founded on the fact they are the best of TNA's "home grown" talent?

Sorry, but I don't see the appeal with EV2 — it's not their house. What the hell would they care about "They"?

The only other option is to align Pope and Joe and have them seek the help of other young TNA stars to aid their quest.

 

[Find'er Woo'er Ryder]

I am hopin for another stable: Joe, pope, mcmg, and Anderson. They could have some interesting bouts between the two groups.

 

[Jack-Hammer]

Guys like RVD, Ken Anderson, Pope & Samoe Joe will probably team up along with a few others in an attempt to battle "They" and keep them from taking over TNA. I can also see the logic in a feud with Fortune. I think that "They" need a few more members to their faction in order to have a sustainable feud. "They" only have Jarrett, Hardy & Abyss to do the in-ring stuff, so I expect to see a few additional members added to it eventually. Given the history between Flair & Hogan, it'd be a big selling point on a feud between these two factions.

 

[Alex]

Well if he sticks around I see Sting leading the group, that way there's a veteran leader of each stable.

Well I see Pope in there as he had alligned with Sting as well as Joe (for revenge against Jarrett) and Anderson (for revenge against Hardy) with maybe Angle in there as well, although I see Angle being a lone wolf in this.

 

[ocwrestler23]

I might be the only one but hoping Fortune teams up with They so its gives they some people that can wrestle long matches.As for me always thuaght the Pope would be a good leader of a group and call it The Congregation.
It would be Made up of
The Pope-Leader could fued with Hardy
Somoa Joe-the 2nd in Charge fued with Jarret
Hernandez-Muscle needs something to do
Ink Inc-Tag Team-Woulda liked to have just LAX as Tag Team but don't have Homicide
Also-Would think Daniels would fit in perfectly with this group if he came back

See Kurt trying to be a loner don't think his current Gimmick works for a Face group
Anderson-Can't see him working as a face with a Group maybe Heel but not Face more of the cocky loner

Went with Ink Inc instead of MCMG-Becouse don't think all the belts need to be involved in the stable war

 

[Dizzy]

I've been reading some of the news stories coming through and it's got me wondering who with "they" be battling?

If I'm led to believe everything I've read:

* Kurt Angle is taking some time out to be rested up, he also lost his retirement match.

* Mr. Anderson injured his back, I'm told it was a large gash on his back, so might not be out that long.

* Sting is injured and is taking some time off and Kevin Nash's contract is up... Pope can't go it alone.

* Fortune are Heels... and I don't see there motivation unless we have more Flair Hates Hogan...?

The only group I can see going up against is *Sign* EV2 as they are Dixie's guys, or Samoa Joe, can you guys think of any good feuds for "Them"?

Basically "They" Immortal will be battling Pope and anyone else who wants to stop them. I highly doubt this is going to be a Faction vs. Faction feud like MEM vs. Frontline or anything.

This is like Vince McMahon and the corporation.

 

[The Pizzaman]

As an English fan of TNA Ive made sure that i did not come on this forum or go onto any sites that are about wrestling so i did not find out the results of bound for glory. And for what? The pile of shit that Ive just witnessed!!!! TNA have gone too far!!! Firstly, those of you who watched WCW have already seen this storyline before with the NWO. It was a major shock then as Hogan had never been bad up to that point but now its just plain stupid. Jeff Hardy turning was a major suprise as I never thought he could be influenced by the powers that be. Jeff Jarret created the company and even though he has had storylines that he has lost power of the company, he in reality has a stake in the company and so he has not only shot himself in the foot big time but has nearly lost a fan and many others too. Sure its only a storyline but i thought that as WWE has a ridiculous storyline with the Nexus that TNA could have thought up a better storyline than this one. It could have involved stars from another promotion or even ex wrestlers from TNA but no, it is a carbon copy of WCW and it sucks!!!

 

[Dizzy]

As an English fan of TNA Ive made sure that i did not come on this forum or go onto any sites that are about wrestling so i did not find out the results of bound for glory. And for what? The pile of shit that Ive just witnessed!!!! TNA have gone too far!!! Firstly, those of you who watched WCW have already seen this storyline before with the NWO. It was a major shock then as Hogan had never been bad up to that point but now its just plain stupid. Jeff Hardy turning was a major suprise as I never thought he could be influenced by the powers that be. Jeff Jarret created the company and even though he has had storylines that he has lost power of the company, he in reality has a stake in the company and so he has not only shot himself in the foot big time but has nearly lost a fan and many others too. Sure its only a storyline but i thought that as WWE has a ridiculous storyline with the Nexus that TNA could have thought up a better storyline than this one. It could have involved stars from another promotion or even ex wrestlers from TNA but no, it is a carbon copy of WCW and it sucks!!!

There is no words to describe that amount of stupidity....I'm sorry for spamming but there is nothing I can say.

 

[SpecialFNK]

There is no words to describe that amount of stupidity....I'm sorry for spamming but there is nothing I can say.

there was no one else available outside TNA that could have come in and had the same impact that Hogan/Bischoff/Hardy had.
those who have watched WCW and seen this story line done with the nWo would have seen it turn out INCREDIBLE. it gave WCW higher ratings than WWE at the time. recycling story lines? that is done on a regular basis by all wrestling companies.
don't confuse what nWo did for WCW in ratings with what eventually caused WCW to go out of business. not the same thing.

 

[The Pizzaman]

There is no words to describe that amount of stupidity....I'm sorry for spamming but there is nothing I can say.

I'm sorry if you don't like or understand what I put on here but not every one has the same opinion as you. TNA was just fine before Hogan and Bischoff came along. Im not saying that what they have done for the company is bad as its clearly not. What I said was the fact that the hype of "they" should have been something bigger and completely original. Its WCW in a differant company and not worth the hype that was caused by it. When WCW brought in the NWO, sure it put WCW way up in the ratings and did increase its fan base and with Hogan going heel was a masterclass but look at what happened eventually? WCW went bust. Even the NWO could not keep WCW afloat. I love TNA like i love WWE . In fact all wrestling, but as I know WWE wil never go bust Im not worried about them but TNA may have major interest and people singing their praises on this angle but how long will that last? I dont want to be saying "I told you so" in a couple of years or sooner. Say what you want about what I write cos quite frankly I dont give a dam. This is my personal view and opinions and as I've been a hardcore wrestling fan for 37 years, I'm entitled to have my rants about what i think and dont have to agree with what anyone else thinks

 

[Kitten Cutter]

As much as I'm not flammer of topics, I did have one thought on THEY and wanted people's opinion:

What if Samoa Joe had turned instead of Jeff Jarrett?

Scenario: Instead of JJ walking out, what if Samoa Joe walked out of the 2-on-3 handicap match and left JJ there getting up, and later in the night Joe came out and joined Hardy, Abyss, Hogan and Bischoff? Perhaps even being the one who assaults Angle (whom he has history with as well) and Anderson (whom he lost to once after distractions) instead of Crutch Hogan?

It'd link up the Samoa Joe kidnapping plothole, give the Immortals TWO hardcore monsters to protect Hardy and the title (plus their alliance would make a little more sense since all 3 are dark and brooding types), and it'd explain Joe helping JJ (to deceive him later) and hating Sting and Nash (their knowledge of the situation). Jarrett, which would carry on Bischoff's hatred for him, would have to come out and basically apologize to The Pope for being wrong and help Dixie get her company back (two original owners vs. the usurping group).

Would that have made a better ending to Bound for Glory?
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[Dizzy]

I'm sorry if you don't like or understand what I put on here but not every one has the same opinion as you. TNA was just fine before Hogan and Bischoff came along.

Okay. They were just fine drawing 1.1 million viewers a week and only drawing about 600 people at house shows.

Let's just forget the fact, Bischoff added production and Hogan's name value helped sign guys like Hardy, RVD, Flair. Which resulted into higher merchandise sales, selling out events in NYC, Philly, Ohio, etc. Let's just forget the fact, Bischoff/Hogan helped TNA get over the hump of only 1 million fans viewing each week.

What I said was the fact that the hype of "they" should have been something bigger and completely original.

Nothing in pro-wrestling is ever going to be 100% original. If Dixie Carter and her husband had sex in the middle of the Impact Zone that wouldn't even be original. If Vince Russo got fired on National TV by getting shit dropped on him, that wouldn't be original.

Hell, Jarret/Angle's personal issue over Karen Angle isn't original and that's actually a real life situation.

 

[bigzilla]

i wasn't surprised at all. hogan and bischoff can't stay out of the limelight. its rather disappointing that all this buildup of this "they" angle comes down to a uninteresting collection of people that really don't have much in common. nwo was all exwwf guys who unknowingly jump ships to start a war with wwf. the "immortals" haha are just bleh. worse than MEM. just wait by 3 or 4 months this will all be behind us and hopefully hogan and his stooges will too. back to creating captivating matches with homegrown talent.

 

[Father Uncle Oscar]

How do They include Jeff Hardy?

Abyss got all these guys together, he and Hogan were a team for a couple months, Hogan and Bischoff were the new dynamic duo of the company, and Jarrett founded the damn compnay! But where does Hardy fit into this?!?! Someone please explain!

 

[Navi]

Hardy said it himself, "I didn't sell out, I sold up". They offered him the opportunity and he took it.

Yea for months we knew something was going to happen, and would Hogan, Bischoff, Abyss or Jarrett turning heel be a huge surprise? I don't think so, considering that they've done it in the past. Hardy is the wild card, the shock value so to speak.

Dude this is wrestling, not the fucking Da Vinci Code. All you need is a little direction and really it's not that hard to figure out.

 

[KoC417]

lol keep in mind the kid is only 15 my friend..

Everyone expected a Bischoff & Hogan or a Bischoff heel turn or a Hogan turn. Jarret turning is well...boring and has been done. Abyss has been a mega heel for TNA.
As said Jeff Hardy presents the "shock factor" because Jeff was a major face and anytime a major face turns heel suddenly it presents a lot of interesting scenarios on what can be done especially when it's a FRESH face turning heel. And by that I mean someone who really hasn't had a major heel run in ANY promotion.

Jeff fits in as the "shock value" that's literally the entire point of his turn. To shake things up and make people wonder "hey if they'll turn Jeff heel who else will turn" and so forth.

 

[bltz524]

idk if its just me, but i think Jeff Hardy's heel turn isnt that big of a deal. I can care less, at BFG when he did it i had like no reaction at all. I just didnt care, but that might be because i dont like him that much.

 

[Navi]

idk if its just me, but i think Jeff Hardy's heel turn isnt that big of a deal. I can care less, at BFG when he did it i had like no reaction at all. I just didnt care, but that might be because i dont like him that much.

That just makes no sense at all. Jeff Hardy, whether you like him or not is or was the uber-babyface in wrestling, not even Cena came close to being as over as he was.

Of course his heel turn is a huge deal, it has sent shock waves through not only TNA but fans who don't even watch it are jumping online with opinions. I can't tell you how to feel, but everyone I know who is even remotely interested in wrestling, are both stunned and surprised about the outcome.

I'm really interested to see how TNA is going to run with this. It will be either the best move they've made in years or the biggest mistake ever. I guess we'll have to wait and find out.

 

[bxbigshow]

Honestly if his heel turn didn't include the union with Hogan's group, it might've gotten more reaction. I think with everything leading up to his turn being expected if not dreaded, when he joined them everyone was just like "...oh, he's the one". Didn't really feel "holy sh!t-ish".

I know he was a face his entire career up until this point. Which is why the way TNA went about it IMO failed. It wasn't about Jeff Hardy, major babyface goes bad. I was about Hulk Hogan swerving everyone, supposedly. Had no IMPACT! (pun intended)