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THe interesting thing is I tend to like ROH when I watch one off shows. I just don't want to see anything more than that in one stretch.
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THe interesting thing is I tend to like ROH when I watch one off shows. I just don't want to see anything more than that in one stretch.
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JGKY has criticized TNA before, but it's a rarity.
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You're going to watch Global Wars and War of the Worlds, you'll watch them and you'll damn well enjoy them, ya' hear?
I think the most critical thing I've seen him say is, "that show was ok", and It'd be for the Victory Road where Jeff Hardy came out drunk or something. I vividly remember him trying to defend the Claire Lynch angle against pretty much everyone though. I like people who like to support non-WWE stuff heavily, like how I do ROH, but the thing is when something is stupid, say it's stupid, don't say, "well I'm sure it'll be good in the end".
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This last part is complete bullshit I have said things I don't like, I never said that the product is perfect and as I've said numerous times before I focus on the positives this doesn't mean that I fell their are no negatives and I rarely argue with those who say the show sucks and don't constantly defend them I'm usually give my opinion and that's it I only argue when I fell statements are ridiculous.
Edit: I never defended Clair Lynch she was awful, I remember saying that during that time is when Bad Influence started to shine as a tag team and had really good matches with AJ
Also right now I'm enjoying WWE more now then I have in a long time and I also enjoy ROH but not as much as WWE or TNA
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I think he said he was ashamed to be a fan in that LD, and I don't blame him at that point because that was ugly.
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Okay then, then here's a curveball.
TNA is a poor product right now with no momentum, it's in a bad state financially, its TV deal expires in a couple of months, despite its placement of the totem pole of wrestling it is drawing less for domestic shows then the third top promotion and even some independent promotions, a lot of its top stars have left, some have criticized the way the company is being ran and if it's any indication over the last few weeks from guys like Daniels and Kaz who took a couple pretty low shots at them on Joey Ryan's Internet show, more are going to leave.
Please tell me if any of these statements are ridiculous and provide a counter point.
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Shit didn't know they would be TNA spoilers lol. Genuinely shocked reading that. Thoguht MVP was great and refreshing as a face authority figure. I used to be defending TNA all the time on here, but now I really can't justify a lot of their decisions. And yeah, in tandem with Eric Young being world champion... I think it's going to be a very long time until I start watching TNA again.
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Eric Young as the TNA Champion isn't as bad as I anticipated. He's a genuinely likeable guy who's a TNA lifer and is deserving of his position. It's just been enacted at the worst possible time.
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Ok fine. Poor product is your opinion. Don't claim to know how're their doing finically don't really care either as I'm a fan and the business side doesn't affect me They just signed a big deal UTA Entertainment which is a Huge Deal and they will help them in negotiating for a TV deal whether it's with Spike where they are the highest rated live show or with another company
Top stars leaving- People have wanted Hogan gone now that he is it's a bad sign same thing with Sting, sucks that AJ and Daniels are gone in AJ's situation there was difference in value and didn't want to over pay him which is smart business and AJ leaving hasn't really affected business as ratings and attendance as remained the same. So it's two stars who people have wanted gone AJ a Top Star whose absence has affected them negatively in business and I love Daniels but calling him a top star is a stretch
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Honestly the storylines have been meh recently.
The only half decent stories are Roode pissed off with Ray, Willow being insane and the Storm/Gunner fued (somewhat) everything else I could take or leave.
What's ironic is that overall they have better talent than most, they just can't implement them for shit
The only half decent stories are Roode pissed off with Ray, Willow being insane and the Storm/Gunner fued (somewhat) everything else I could take or leave.
What's ironic is that overall they have better talent than most, they just can't implement them for shit
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Opinion is opinion, but the general consensus is it's a poor product. None of us rag on TNA for the sake of it, I would love TNA to start being great again like it was in 06, 07 and 08 but I just can't keep waiting. A lot of people, like Hugh G. Reaction, myself and others, are simply giving up.
UTA isn't a big deal. And if TNA loses Spike it loses a big investor. If they could find another network they would be doing it, we'd know about it, a network would have noted it in a press release, that is what most networks do. TV negotiations and contracts aren't kept under wraps, people always know what is going on. Nobody else wants TNA.
And no, TNA was the highest rated show on Spike TV. So far in 2014 reruns of Cops have outdrawn TNA. Saying TNA is the highest rated live show is a cop out, on a network I assume only has two live shows, TNA and Bellator. Wow, it's doing better than Bellator. That's an achievement right there.
TNA's attendance this year is very low. Its been pointed out many times, ROH which has 20% less coverage in the United States average attendance in 2014 in America is higher than TNA's. Here's something I only learnt last week. TNA ran Austin, TX in February, the week before ROH ran San Antonio, TX, Court Bauer thought TNA's show would effect ROH's because TNA has ran TX for years, while ROH only started running it last year, guess what?
ROH's second ever show in San Antonio out drew TNA's in Austin by 400 people. There's no national TV backing that, and AJ Styles and Chris Hero weren't even on the show. Hell independent shows AJ Styles is doing are out drawing TNA in the same markets. I listened to AJ Styles on a podcast two weeks ago and he said it perfectly, "it looks like people want to see me, they just didn't want to see me in TNA. If they did then I can't explain these numbers."
Lockdown had 900 people in attendance. 900. ROH is drawing twice that in two weeks time. You do get that people a lot of people are questioning who the number two promotion is now?
Ratings are down. TNA's average ratings for the past two years have dropped and this year they are lower than ever. TNA's Bound for Glory PPV buyrate was down 13% from the year before.
And Daniels and Kaz leaving is a big issue, you know why? That's Jarrett, Styles, Kaz and Daniels, four guys who have helped mold the company who have decided they can do better elsewhere when none of them are going to be signed by WWE. They all know that they'll be working indies, might get picked up by ROH and if Daniels and Kaz are lucky NJPW might give them an offer too. These guys are walking away and not gracefully either, Styles did an entire shoot interview criticizing TNA, he even said TNA sent him a warning to stop talking negatively about them or they'd sue him. Daniels and Kaz, while still under contract criticized TNA for stopping to use them, forgetting the angle they were in and paying them late. They totally glorified the indies as being a better place to work than TNA too.
So your response to this is one of two things. A) you admit it and be a TNA fan who can take a couple truths on the chin and say, "but I enjoy it", and that's fine or B) continue being delusional.
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1.For the thousandth time there is no way for any of us to know what the general consensus of the product is
2. UTA is a huge deal here's what PWInsider said
3 TNA is one of the highest rated shows on the network and we don't have access to +3 and 5 data so they could be outdrawing Cop and if they aren't it doesn't make sense for Spike to drop them completely anyway
4 Don't care about attendance or buy rates as they don't affect me
5 I could show interviews where talent are happy as you have with talent that aren't'
2. UTA is a huge deal here's what PWInsider said
3 TNA is one of the highest rated shows on the network and we don't have access to +3 and 5 data so they could be outdrawing Cop and if they aren't it doesn't make sense for Spike to drop them completely anyway
4 Don't care about attendance or buy rates as they don't affect me
5 I could show interviews where talent are happy as you have with talent that aren't'
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Yes there is. That's like saying nobody can say that Donald Sterling being racist was a horrible thing because we don't know the exact opinion of the people in Hawaii think of the situation. The general consensus is the show sucks and the booking is horrible.
Well if we're going off of what PWInsider said then that's great considering they also reported two weeks ago that the locker room confidence is rock bottom, Austin Aries is in the doghouse for talking out about the poor creative direction, and that people are nervous they'll be out of the job if TNA loses its TV deal, which it will, because unless it has a new one lined up immediately after it will then have to pay for everything which will see it go into further debut and maybe, and most likely, out of business.
And remember, Hulk Hogan was also supposed to lead TNA into competition with WWE. When UTA does something, make a thread.
You don't need those figures. Nielsen's prime figures are all you need, and Cops reruns are out drawing TNA on the night TNA airs. TNA hasn't been in the top 50 cable shows the past two weeks, this two weeks being the start of Eric Young's title reign.
You brought it up. And while it doesn't effect you directly, it might effect your fandom if it is one of the many variables which leads to TNA going out of business this year.
Oh I'm sure some are happy, some get paid to do damn all, they are happy they have jobs. But they are not AJ Styles, the guy who for years was considered the top guy, even the face of TNA, who was then given a 50% less offer on a contract and then sent a letter saying he would be sued if he continued speaking about TNA in a negative fashion. Christopher Daniels and Kaz who are easily the best act that was in TNA, but will very soon be able to be seen in PWG and probably ROH. Jeff Jarrett, who founded the company and built the company himself who left on his own strength which could only be because he was upset at something.
So when those guys are leaving what guys like James Storm or Gunner or Robbie E think is irrelevant when you have guys like the ones who have left, leaving!
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Anytime someone uses the defense of "your opinion" or "You can't prove that", it comes off as very pitiful and a way of saying you have no way to defend what you're saying.
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1. Yea because the racism of Donald Sterling and opinions of racism is totally comparable to the quality of a Wrestling show
2 Aries denied the rumors, those reports were before the huge signing with UTA obviously people would be nervous of losing their job with no TV deal and UTA will be getting them one with Spike or elsewhere like the article says.
3 Nice job dismissing numbers that prove you wrong and those are Neilsen figures
4 Ill worry about them going out of business when it happens TNA has been supposedly going out of business every year
5 Kaz and Daniels being the best act in TNA is another opinion. TNA wanted to pay AJ what they felt he was worth which is smart business
2 Aries denied the rumors, those reports were before the huge signing with UTA obviously people would be nervous of losing their job with no TV deal and UTA will be getting them one with Spike or elsewhere like the article says.
3 Nice job dismissing numbers that prove you wrong and those are Neilsen figures
4 Ill worry about them going out of business when it happens TNA has been supposedly going out of business every year
5 Kaz and Daniels being the best act in TNA is another opinion. TNA wanted to pay AJ what they felt he was worth which is smart business
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You're delusional kid. The only time you'll ever realize TNA is the drizzling shits is the day it does go out of business if it happens, and if it does, I really would not be surprised if you just shrugged it off and talked about how much you were looking forward to Impact, even though It'd never air. But I guess UTA whose never dealt with a wrestling company will save the day like how Hulk Hogan helped make TNA into a competitor to WW... oh, wait, that's right, that didn't happen.
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Nothing I've said is delusional and I don't think UTA will turn them into actual threat to WWE but they will be incredibly helpful in negotiating a TV Deal and in other ways and for you to say otherwise than maybe you're the one who is delusional 
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