Lee
Is it a bird? Is it a plane? No it's Supermod!
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Or Abraham Washington.
Joe's Gonna Kill You
The Hunt is On
And you're rarely negative about ROH
I rather focus on what I enjoy then constantly complain like most due on the internet
Thriller Ant
Beep Bop Boop
The real question is who is going to be the token white guy?
Dan Severn's Moustache
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Can't we all just hate CZW?
Thriller Ant
Beep Bop Boop
That's too easy. Plus, who actually watches CZW?
klunderbunker
Welcome to My (And Not Sly's) House
No. This is a wrestling forum.
Dan Severn's Moustache
Patent Pending
Touché.
I don't really want to accuse TNA of blatantly stealing from WWE, but honestly. Eric Young gets the title in a shocking win out of nowhere weeks after Bryan, then they form a heel stable with three members, led by an authority figure, to feud with him. How long until Abyss is working for MVP? How long until EY has a token love interest with a Knockout (I guess there's already ODB)? How long until a trio of unlikely heroes rises up to oppose MVP?
It's the same script, just with different, lesser players.
Which, I guess, is a pretty good summary for TNA always.
It's the same script, just with different, lesser players.
Which, I guess, is a pretty good summary for TNA always.
Skairipa Matrix
3 Time Elite Openweight Champion
Maybe when Knux and co turn heel they'll be called Carnival of Carnage. Though I already feel like I should be preparing my lawsuit as should Theo.
Wally Dangerously
Living Room Champion
Good God. TNA should just get it over with and rename their next PPV "Greed."
But Gunner was the good guy. Don't know why, but that's gotta count for something, right? Right?
klunderbunker
Welcome to My (And Not Sly's) House
The fact that he's the one that stole it and winds up being the good guy in the thing actually makes it even worse.
Dan Severn's Moustache
Patent Pending
I don't think anyone with a reasonable state of mind voicing their displeasure in this thread wants TNA to fail, which is one of the primary reasons we're expressing our feelings here: We want TNA to be a good product, and it's very much capable of being so because it's demonstrated it in the past.
The conspicuous WWE bandwagoning from their creative team needs to cease, it's been going on for a very long time now, and I think I speak for everyone that we're sick of it. The reason people want to watch TNA is because it serves as an alternative to WWE. If TNA just keeps copying WWE, people are just going to watch WWE. They have the monetary advantage and a far larger roster to their advantage and they will outclass TNA in the long run. Look at the weak spots in WWE (there's a fair few), and try to exploit them as an incentive for fans to watch your show.
And we need to get rid of the EVIL mega-stable cliché. This is what, the 3rd or 4th time since the end of the Main Event Mafia that this has happened in TNA now?
TNA is capable of so much better. It really is sad that it's reached this stage where a good chunk of wrestling fans consider it to be a complete joke, ala WCW in 2000. It's not beyond redemption of course, but time really isn't on TNA's side.
The conspicuous WWE bandwagoning from their creative team needs to cease, it's been going on for a very long time now, and I think I speak for everyone that we're sick of it. The reason people want to watch TNA is because it serves as an alternative to WWE. If TNA just keeps copying WWE, people are just going to watch WWE. They have the monetary advantage and a far larger roster to their advantage and they will outclass TNA in the long run. Look at the weak spots in WWE (there's a fair few), and try to exploit them as an incentive for fans to watch your show.
And we need to get rid of the EVIL mega-stable cliché. This is what, the 3rd or 4th time since the end of the Main Event Mafia that this has happened in TNA now?
TNA is capable of so much better. It really is sad that it's reached this stage where a good chunk of wrestling fans consider it to be a complete joke, ala WCW in 2000. It's not beyond redemption of course, but time really isn't on TNA's side.
Thriller Ant
Beep Bop Boop
KB added it up recently and they've had that as their main storyline for more than half their existence.
Joe's Gonna Kill You
The Hunt is On
The members of wrestling fans on forums don't make up a good chunk of TNA's audience and there's no way to know what the over million people who match Impact feel about the product
Thriller Ant
Beep Bop Boop
They should be past this point since they are 11? years old, but TNA should be looking to grow, not just keep who they have. People that are on a wrestling forum, aka huge wrestling fans, should be the easiest demographic for them to get. By doing shit to piss off what should be the easiest group to get hooked, they are counting on casual wrestling fans or non-wrestling fans to keep the company going which is an awful business plan.
Dan Severn's Moustache
Patent Pending
Aye, but it only became as big a problem as it has after MEM died. The only heel mega-stable I remember before the MEM was Christian's Coalition.
The reason TNA are as big as they are today is because of the smark audience which they maintain a relatively healthy stronghold over to this day (and probably make up most of their numbers). TNA has had difficulty with casual fans in the past (granted, they've done a lot in that regard to quell that issue), but you've got to admit that there are some blunders that even casual fans are going to get annoyed at.
Just as an example on a very small scale, I was watching an episode of Impact late last year with my dad, and an EC3 promo came on, talking about those two jobbers he beat up. I kid you not, this promo felt like it went on for TEN MINUTES, and it was about TWO JOBBERS. My dad, a casual wrestling fan voiced his disapproval multiple times and he eventually turned the channel. I don't necessarily blame him.
Now, that was just one viewer (two, because I found it skull-numbingly boring, but I enjoy TNA on the whole), but that was only a small blunder. Imagine that, but with the bigger blunders TNA have made over the years, and it all adds up.
Sure, everyone makes mistakes, even WWE make a lot, but TNA are, to put it bluntly, inconsistent, especially these past 5 years.
The mockery the IWC make of TNA is somewhat unfair, but not all of it is unjustified. TNA has some great perks which I do enjoy a lot and that's why I keep watching, but the inconsistency clouds a lot of people's perception ultimately.
Joe's Gonna Kill You
The Hunt is On
Yes TNA would like to grow its fanbase and have higher ratings but it's very hard to gain viewers right now in the US for a multiple of reason including wrestling not being that popular anymore and possibly even the network there are on right now not being that popular, that's why they signed that deal with UTA to negotiate TV contracts amongst other things to potentially get on a better network
Also most causals fans don't watch the product as a lot of us on forums and critique and over analyze the product
Also most causals fans don't watch the product as a lot of us on forums and critique and over analyze the product
The Dragon Saga
Whale in a Teardrop
I know this isn't an official Impact thread, but just going to post this here, from the Observer.
Dan Severn's Moustache
Patent Pending
It's not a case of over analysing here though for the most part. Over analysing would be "X is a jobber. That's bullshit, he should be getting a push" (and even then, that's not really nitpicking). With TNA, these are inherent flaws in the main story and with the company in general.
The reason a lot of TNA fans do this (apart from the trolls) is because we want TNA to succeed. I'm fully willing to voice my approval if TNA do something inherently well just as much I am to voice my disapproval when TNA do something inherently wrong. We promote the stuff we enjoy as fans and discourage the stuff we don't like as fans.
Joe's Gonna Kill You
The Hunt is On
The problem that I'm trying to get at is that what you may see as a flaw and what we on forums see as flaws may not be flaws for the overall audience
Dan Severn's Moustache
Patent Pending
In some regards for the IWC, this is true. In others, it isn't. This isn't a case where a segment is "just for the kiddies" or "corny Cena", this is a case where people really question what they're watching, like my dad with the jobber promo. The backstage atmosphere is apparently very bad, TNA have evidentially being dealing with budget cuts and talent are beginning to jump ship to the extent that they can't really be replaced. Yeah, these are smark issues, but it affects the product as a whole for the casual fans as an indirect multiplier effect.
I think we're more similar than our opinions appear here. We both evidentially want to see TNA do well, we're just going different ways about it.
The Dragon Saga
Whale in a Teardrop
Not true. Nowadays, yes, because ROH is constantly working to improve, constantly making progress, constantly doing things fans want to see and are booking talent correctly, working angles correctly, putting on good shows. Fuck KB enjoyed Supercard of Honor, yano why? Because Supercard of Honor was a fun, enjoyable show, where if you watched, you did it for the wrestling and you got what you wanted.
But go back to when ROH originally debuted on SBG, it was shit. I admit it was shit. I didn't even try defending it back then. I would be in the LD's with KB and Sly and when they said something was horrible, I totally agreed, because it was. It was like TNA is now, the wrong person was running it. But the difference is the guys that own ROH wised up and got rid of the person who was running it and employed someone who knew the fanbase, knew what people wanted, and knew how to book. He spent all of 2013 making things right. And in 2014 hes stepped up the game ten fold.
I have never seen you say anything critical of TNA. Which is impossible by the way, and when everyone else says flat out that the show sucks you still try to argue it in some delusional vision only you are seeing.
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