The Triple H Thread

[jefferson411]

How the hell does Edge have enough influence backstage to override HHH's wish to fued with him is what I want to know. And who turns down a chance to be main eventing almost every episode and PPV? That is certainly what he would be getting from the fued because no one can deny HHH is as big as it gets. I can't see HHH fueding with the guy and trying to make him come accross as week, where does that get either of them. If he goes over a weak ago he doesn't look any stronger, and it hurts business. HHH wants this business to be strong as he stands to inherit a good deal of it. I would personal love seeing this fued. HHH is easily my favorite wrestler, and Edge has gotta be number 2. This would be great.

If it doesn't happen then I suppose Edge vs. Orton will do, or HHH vs. Orton. But I hope to not see Edge vs. Cena again for a long time. Have Michaels and Edge ever fueded? I don't remember it seems like they have.

 

[YRIOSRAGE38]

Triple H needs to feud with someone new Because RAW can't always have the same matches and feuds it get's boring and booking needs to get on the ball it would have been a good idea to have benoit on raw the wwe didn't change him to raw instead they kept him on smackdown writers need to be more creative. The fans are more creative then the writers.

 

[wweman1]

triple H wont go to sd he would be awesome on raw when he returns if they put him in the right fued not in the edge one i reckon wiith either orton or cena and make HHH be the champ again

 

[Downward Spiral]

I suppose there is a lot more for HHH over on SmackDown than there is on Raw. When you think about it, just about every main event wrestler on Raw or high profile wrestler has faced HHH in the past year or two. SmackDown has guys like Benoit and Undertaker who would greatly benefit from facing Triple H and I think a move from Raw to SmackDown for Hunter could be good for both SD and himself. In saying that, he is probably better suited to being on Raw as he feels that himself and he is a man who can carry a company so being on the flagship show is most likely for a guy his standard. HHH would most likely want to stay clear of someone like Cena, so I wouldn't throw a move to SD out just yet (although that could mean Batista lies on the other end for HHH.)

The same applies for a guy like Edge. He really isn't going places on Raw anymore and when stuck behind a guy like Cena, you know someone of his standard won't be pushed too far. He has also basically feuded with everyone on the roster, except for Orton, which I expect him to feud with soon, and HHH, who I don't expect to feud with Edge anyway. SmackDown has guys that would be eager to face Edge as much as they would HHH and they need a strong heel that needs a push, just like Edge does. The problem with Raw is, they have all these top wrestlers like HBK, HHH, Edge and Orton, but when you've got 1 man that is just pushed twice as hard as anyone else, they just aren't going to do well on there. HHH/Edge will never be for a title, and it could be disastrous for Edge to have another 'backstage favourite' rip him apart so the feud won't happen, but don't rule out a move to SmackDown for either of them.

 

[justinsayne]

Basically it's like this, both these guys seem to dominate the Raw title seen, so my question for all of you is simple, who would you rather have as your WWE champion Triple H or Cena?, basically pick your poison

For me it's Triple H, In my mind he is far more entertaining, and at least when he dominated the title seen he wasn't holding the belt for a year at a time, he would actually drop the thing occasionally, Cena apparently does feel the need to do this, he would rather just hog the belt and have the entire WWE fan base turn against him, When a majority of the fans are booing you and your the face then your doing something wrong, Triple H was getting booed yes, however he was also a heel when getting booed, therefore doing his job, so basically I pick Triple H


BTW Thanks to whoever added the poll

 

[Gus]

well, for me, it depends on if HHH is heel or face, if hes heel, HHH, if not, Cena, because HHH is kind of boring IMO as a face, but he is one of the best heel champions of all time, the only other recent good heel champion(s) were Edge and Booker (kinda for booker) and HHH could push someone over the top if he was heel.... so thats my opinion...

 

[ImpactPlayer27]

Triple H. At least with him, he has more wrestling skills than John Cena and the WWE has grown to the point where they need him. They need Triple H or else everything falls apart. The wwe can survive without John Cena so long as Triple H is there. And honestly, Triple H has more good to entertaining matches under his belt then John Cena.

 

[RatedRKOSuperstar]

If I had to pick one it would have to be HHH he gives Better Promos as he showed tonight and he doesn't have to be carried almost every damn match.

 

[TheOzzman45]

I would have to go with Trips. He's got extremely funny promos as a face, albeit sophomoric DX style promos, and as a heel he is very good based on the fact that he plays the cocky heel champ thats better than you awesome and pisses everyone off. He also has a better selection of moves than Cena (although i enjoy Cena, i am not a Cena hater) and can put on more substantial matches than Cena. That may have to do with Cena's comp. right now though, b/c he bores me right now, but the HBK feud was spectacular.
But, I go with Trips for sure.

 

[tom b]

i want to say HHH but the direction he is going now that he is back is going to be awful...Vince, Cena and HHH need to stop these stupid promos about loving cocks, sucking grapefruits, its old and its unintelligent, I was hoping HHH was going to come out as the Cerebral Assisian a total bad ass like he did at RR a few years back (Quad 1)...nope all we get is a stupid kindergarten level promo and a new DX style HHH that is too old for this immature shit, kick someone's ass and bury people (its what you do best) in the end I take Cena right now bc I keep watching to see who is goin to take the belt (reminds me of franchise in ECW, I kept waiting but he always came out on top until Taz)

 

[Papa Shango]

Cena. Despite the fact that HHH does seem to have more moves than Cena, John always puts on a good main Event. How many wrestlers do you know that can put on a 20-min.+ match at every PPV? And love him or hate him, you always care about the outcome of a Cena match. HHH, as of late, hasn't been able to do that.

 

[Lil Wes]

Trips. He's more entertaining and is actually pretty good in the ring at most times. I like him better as a heel he makes you despise him. Cena is just stale and boring. HHH long reign of terror was not all that bad IMO. I'd choose an HHH PPV match/promo over Cena's anyday. So if someones going to have to be shoved down my throat week after week. I choose HHH just because he entertains me more. Either way it sucks. But HHH is the better all around performer face or heel.

 

[Derf]

Alright. As much as I find him stale, I have to go with cena, but hear me out.

From a Non IWC fan, Cena is HUGE! The fans love him, can't get enough of him, and want to see him win every match, so for that fact, the WWE wants him to main event.

For the IWC Fan, We don't look at how the WWE portrays Faces and Heals, we have our own system of whos a good guy and whos a bad guy, and for most of us, Cena is that bad guy. And the WWE also wants to have a heal champion sometimes.

So what i'm getting at, is that the WWE currently has both it's top face and heal as the same person, and also the WWE champ. And wether you all agree with me, when we're at the Live PPV results pages, we all have the most fun and tension during the Cena Whoever match. All in all, John Cena, wether you realize it or not, gets eveyone talking. He's the fans face guy, and our top heal guy that we love to hate, and he does both jobs to perfection. And I'd like someone to disagree with me, just to make things more interesting.

 

[Cody Towner]

Ok, let's add this up. I am a list guy, and I figured let's introduce myself to the WZ forums like this.

Triple H

Pros
The long awaited return has really refreshed his character +1
He is a well-known and almost legend status superstar +1
Great heel champion +1
Larger move set +1

Cons
The former Triple H was awesome, everyone loved to hate him. But now he acts like he is back in grade school, even without the other idiot from DX there with him -1
He is no longer a heel, so he wouldn't be as enjoyable as a champion. -1
Triple H is now pretty out of shape (I just watched Raw, and he has lost his six pack and muscle bulges completely) so he won't be able to give us the long, edge of your seat matches everyone hopes for -1
Triple H is just now coming off of an injury, and being champ would increase the risk of putting him on the shelf for another eight months -1

Overall: -1

John Cena

Pros
Everyone either loves him or loves to hate him. +1
He can put on the long matches everyone wants, and is in great shape +1
He can play to the crowd, whether they love him or hate him, without using kindergarten level humor +1
He may not have the largest moveset, but with the moves he is familiar with, he executes them flawlessly, and still manages to entertain the fans +1

Cons
The extremely long title reign has bored people -1
Has a smaller moveset -1
Is supposed to be a face, but the crowd has grown to hate him -1

Overall: +1

On paper, it seems John Cena is the overall better champion. Now, let's also look at the fact that Triple H is due to retire soon, he's getting old, and John Cena is still plenty young, and has lots of time to improve. Now if Triple H turns heel soon, then I think the tides would turn in Triple H's favor, but until then, this one's to Cena

 

[LipstickAndBruises]

I don't really like lenghty title reigns. Making a guy seem unstopable only worked in like the 80's so even if its Trips whom I LOVE...it gets stale after say coming up on a year of one champ. I like a fighting champ who doesnt always win. It shakes things up.

That said; I'd prefer Triple H because ummmm he's awesome. More potential for said drama and his mic skills. He makes me laugh. Cena makes me laugh in the negative way.

 

[TheOneBigWill]

I picked Triple H., but let me explain fully how I see both going.

First, I'll go with the man I didn't pick.. & why.

John Cena: So I didn't pick John Cena because in all honesty, his title reign is going on way too long. I also didn't pick him, because he's a face.. & in the general idea of Pro Wrestling, a face is always getting beaten down or chasing the heel, finally winning at the biggest event of the year - Wrestlemania. With John Cena, he has nationally caused a chaotic series of events that have not only caused 90% of everyone to cheer ANY random heel who faces him.. but last time I checked, he's also suppose to the be face.. & he's being massively boo'd. Reminds me of the Bret Hart/Steve Austin thing.. & we all know where that went. So I won't be opting for Cena, because he (in my opinion) isn't following the general, unofficial rule, of wrestling.. in that he's dominating every match in the end, by winning. And he's no longer making things unpredictable.. since for the better portion of 2 years.. if you bet strong money on John Cena.. you should be a millionaire by now.

Now then..

Triple H.: So while I picked Triple H., I would rather have Randy Orton, or even any number of other superstars become the next W.W.E. Champion as well.. so this is the pros & cons to HHH. Firstly, the upside to him becoming the next Champion is this.. he wouldn't hold onto the Championship nearly as long.. because while he does have back-stage politics working for him.. thats actually whats keeping him from a Cena-type reign. McMahon would KNOW FULLY that everyone would bomb W.W.E. if HHH got Cena like monthes behind a reign.

The ONLY good thing I can see happening out of a Triple H. reign is also how he can carry main matches. Or used to, anyways. I enjoyed the Triple H. matches back in 1999-2000 when he wasn't Champion, & they were way more enjoyable than the actual Championship matches. So therefore, Triple H. would definately deserve the Main Event spot.. cause he can carry the crowd & the match. (including any type of gimmick, especially Hell in a Cell or Last Man Standing)

The DOWNSIDE.. is Triple H. always seems to find his way back to the Championship, & its sadly passed around between Cena, Triple H. & maybe one or two other top people.. but rarely anymore. Guys like Triple H. & John Cena don't need the Championship to warrent people buying p.p.v.'s to see them. I honestly want Shawn Michaels to regain the Championship, or even give Orton a longer reign that a month.. as much as this would probably be bad mouthed, I want Ric Flair to have one last Heavyweight Championship run & reform the Four Horsemen, cause that to me, would be a ratings dream!! So thats my entire take on the situation..

 

[mabuza]

For me it's Triple H, In my mind he is far more entertaining, and at least when he dominated the title seen he wasn't holding the belt for a year at a time, he would actually drop the thing occasionally, Cena apparently does feel the need to do this, he would rather just hog the belt and have the entire WWE fan base turn against him, When a majority of the fans are booing you and your the face then your doing something wrong, Triple H was getting booed yes, however he was also a heel when getting booed, therefore doing his job, so basically I pick Triple H


BTW Thanks to whoever added the poll

Dude,its Vince who's responsible for title reign lengths.To suggest that Cena "doesnt feel the need" to drop the title,is to imply that he's in total control of how he's booked in matches.Noone in their right mind would intentionally keep the belt knowing the shitstorm it would cause.And i'm sure he wouldnt mind turning heel,but that would cost WWE alot of money in merchandising.That's why Vince would rather have him remain face.
I do want to see HHH become champ though,only because the whole 11th Title Reign has been hyped since 2005 after he lost to Batista at WM21.

 

[RADencker]

I agree. But, right now, for the good of the business, i think a long-term feud with Triple H, Randy Orton, and John Cena is what RAW Needs. Like him or not, John Cena is carrying the RAW brand. But now that Triple H is back, it's time he was back on top. I'd personally like to see Cena drop the title to Orton, then set up an Orton vs Triple H feud, with cena involving himself periodically for "revenge". Then, when Shawn Michaels is back, i'd like to see him get revenge on Orton and start going for his last title reign before he retires in the next couple of years. Cena doesn't need the title any longer to sell merchandise, which in the end is what it's all about. But, as much as i'd like to see those guys go after the belt, Raw needs to elevate some of it's new stars. Booker T, Mr. Kennedy, Jeff Hardy all deserve to be in the Raw title picture. Booker T actually is more deserving of the 3 right now, and his character gets massive heal heat, which could Raw would benefit from if he was a heal champ for awhile, like he was on Smackdown.

 

[Theo Williams]

Triple H. His period of dominance from 2002-2005 may have grown a little thin at times, but at least he put lots of people over in that time and dropped the belt every few months. Let's not forget that Triple H's last tile reign ended about 30 minutes after Cena's first began. While we've had Cena shoved down our throats for the last 2 1/2 years, Triple H has remained titleless. However, some would argue that this just proves he doesn't need the belt to be over.

To be honest, I think neither should be champion and instead the belt should go towards developing the careers of undernourished younger wrestlers on the roster. Neither of the two needs the belt to be over and the pair can't carry RAW forever.

 

[Bobby B]

I like them both to be honest. But the problem is , is that because we've had Cena shoved down our throat for the past two years , he's gone very stale and dull.

There both excellant on the mic , and although neither is anything special in the ring (especially as both have limited move sets) , they are both very entertaining and credible champions.

The problem at the moment , is that Cena is very boring , we've seen it all before , and he's desperatly in need of a heel turn. Even the best guys like the Rock had a heel turn , and it did his career the world of good.

When the HHH vs Cena fued happens , which will likely be after Unforgiven , because I think HHH needs another warm up match , probably against Mr Kennedy as Vince's son. Before getting at Cena. Id like to see HHH as a face against Cena as the heel , although thats very unlikely.

As for the vote , I gave it to HHH , purely because I cannot stand Cena at the moment , normally it would take alot more thought , but you know , its what poor writing can do to you.

 

[psykohurricane]

I actually like both guys equally but for the sake of answering the topic i would pick John Cena, simply because he prove me that even with a really bad gimmick that he probably got stuck with, he's able to entertain us. I also like the fact that with all the attention, both positive and negative, that he got since winning his first WWE championship 2 years ago,he's able to improve in the ring and to not crack under the pressure and that prove to me that he want to be there and that he got a passion for the buisness that alot of other wrestler that were put in the same position hadn't.

I'm not saying that HHH isn't great or a bad wrestler but the fact is that HHH is past his prime and am pretty tired of the DX version of HHH.

Something that i would like to see is to have Cena and HHH in a small program between that would last for two PPV then after Cena goes through HHH again maybe have Cena defend the WWE championship at Wrestlemania against Mr. Kennedy and have Kennedy win the Belt. This would make Kennedy into a main event star instantly.

 

[Y 2 Jake]

I'd pick Cena. Cant say I'm a fan. But I dont hate him like most of the people on this site. I hardly ever watch PPV's or TV shows for the main event. I'm a mid card kinda guy. I'd pick London & Kendrick vs. WGTT over Cena vs. HHH any day. But if there's one wrestler who has consistently bored the shit out of me over the past decade, it's HHH. I just find him soooooooooo boring. His promo's are identical. Even his D-X promos were identical to his heel promos, ie shit. Sure he's a good wrestler. He's certainly a better wrestler than Cena. But he's amazingly overrated. He has consistently good matches. But not great matches. Maybe it's because I hate him that I dont notice when he has great matches. Then again he certainly didn't have a great match last year. And the year before I would say his best match was with Batista in a gimmick match. Aren't all gimmick matches supposed to be great? Isn't that the point? To finish the feud on a high, with the best match.

I'll pick Cena, on account of the fact he's consistent. Give him a good opponent and he'll have a good match. Triple H only appears to have good matches if he's in the mood.

 

[Steamboat Ricky]

I think they should vacate the title, personally. Have a Deadly Game Survivor Series '98 style tournament. That way, they can get a bunch of guys in the mix for the title, which would be a push of sorts for all the undercard guys. It would help to solidify the roster.

And get rid of the triple-champion nonsense. It totally takes all credibility from the championships. One champion is far better than 3.

 

[County]

Triple H, he is a great wrestler and has everything that a good Big Main Event Superstar should have; All John Cena things aside HHH is a way better man than John Cena.

 

[ACTAFOOL]

i would pick HHH, but mainly because WWE isnt using cena well, they limit him way too much and dont make him more interesting because hes suppose to be a champ for the kids and sell a lot, HHH would have and has had a more interesting title reign not because he kept droping the belt, but because he didnt seem like a champ for kids most of the time, he wasnt a superhero, he had close matches but u never really knew who would win, after about 4 months of cenas reign i could tell it would be a VERY long run with his superhero gimmick and him selling a lot

also, cena rarley has gimmick matches, how many has he had this year? like none... i like gimmick matches, i know they dont put cena in them much because they are afraid of him being injured but damn 3 or 4 in a year isnt too much to ask, and i dont mean last man standing or i quit matches either, sorry but cena cant pull of a entertaining match in singles competition, i mean he can but not with his superhero gimmick, i think he proved this to every1 that saw his classic HBK match, so until he loses the gimmick he has to lose the belt IMO

HHH can pull off entertaining singles matches (IMO anyway) not because hes great in ring, in ring id say hes at the same level of cena, but because he has much more personality and depth and his matches have much more drama, usually, but thats cuz of WWE booking/writing, but since they dont do that with cena, then id rather have HHH as champ, i mean sure now cenas match are entertaining, but for 1 reason, will he lose the title??? but any1 who has held the title for so long would be in the same position, in terms of storyline and character depth cena isnt interesting at all, and HHH is use to gimmick matches so i dont think WWE would be so afraid of putting him in those matches, i mean come on, last years SS was a damn elimination chamber, this year a bore fest of cena vs randy orton?, im sure if HHH was champ it would be something much more entertaining, like thats hard anyway lol

so in terms of not whos a better wrestler, but just whos a damn better entertainer, id go with HHH, until cena loses the title and gets a more interesting gimmick and WWE doesnt limit him so much in terms of wrestling, then he might be a better entertainer, but thats yet to see...