Steamboat Ricky
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lulz I love how any time anyone debates Sly on anything they are all "ITS ABOUT TIME SOMEONE DID THIS DAMMIT"
What the fuck is he, the krakken?
He's the McMahon-Helmsley Era of debators.
RIP Kanyon
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He's the McMahon-Helmsley Era of debators.
Then that same person would then have to celebrate the lives of Benito Mussolini, Joseph Stalin, Adolf Hitler, George W Bush, etc. as well.
So, are you saying this theoretical poster believes that all men should be honored at the time of their death, regardless of the transgressions they made in their life? Furthermore, do YOU believe that?
Like how I threw in George W. with those other guys? FTS will have a fit.
Mighty NorCal
SHALL WE BEGIN?
Steamboat Ricky
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Celebrated? Not so sure that celebrating the life of Hitler would be appropriate. But then again, I find the words "honor" and "celebrate" to mean different things. I can honor the fact that Hitler probably wasn't always a genocidal, power-hungry, bigot. Somewhere along the line, something surely went wrong and thus, he became what he became. And that...that is what makes it tragic.
And as a general rule, I'm not sure exactly what I believe there. I think that being a human being in and of itself is something that is of value. That's why Jack the school janitor gets a little section in the paper when he dies.
I believe that human beings are inherently good, and thus, things have to happen along the way that shape them into being "bad". This is why I tend to be a Chris Benoit sympathizer.
My$terio_Fan
I can do whatever I want
God damn. God damn.
Rest in Peace Chris Kanyon. You were one of the only men brave enough to be true about your sexuality and not care about the long-standing homophobia in the industry, you just wanted to be happy and be yourself.
This sucks, and unfortunately it sounds like foulplay will be involved in this in someway. Such a tragic loss. Rest in Peace Christopher Kanyon.
RIPBut Hitler did turn into a genocidal, power-hungry, bigot. Are you saying, then, this theoretical poster should honor Adolf Hitler since he is deceased, and should have honored him the moment he passed? Does the fact Hitler is human trump the transgressions he made in life?
I do not believe so. And while I'm certainly not equating Chris Kanyon to Adolf Hitler, the general principle remains the same, which is the person they are at the time of their death, is the person they truly were at the time of their death. And when there is no known good in their life prior to their death, what exactly can you honor when you know at the time of their death, they were not doing good things?
I, too, believe that humans are inherently good, but all humans make choices in their life, choices which affect the course their life takes. Not all humans start with the same options, and not all people have the same choices, but they make choices nonetheless, and their life is the consequence (good or bad) of those choices.
Despite anything that may have happened in Kanyon's life, he CHOSE drugs and he CHOSE suicide. And if those choices were influenced by his supposed bi-polar disease, than he CHOSE to not accept help to make better choices.
I feel no remorse in my heart for a man who chose drugs and suicide, just because he entertained me in a wrestling ring. Which is what the majority of people in this thread have done.
It's...Baylariat!
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Let it be said here and now. Kanyon is a huge draw. WCW dropped the ball on him.
Steamboat Ricky
WZCW's Living Legend
Allowed, Shocky.
If we're accounting for the fact that resilience is not the same in all people and we can't all just pull ourself up by the bootstraps like Sly's cousin or even see that therapy is an option like Lariat, yes. At the very least, we shouldn't be shit on for feeling sorry for him.
On a personal level, I don't care. I liked Mortis in WCW, thought he was innovative for that company. I applaud the man for "coming out" and trying to stand up for homosexuals, but I also thought this was as much about as getting attention on Kanyon as anything else.
However, I don't feel sorry that he died by his own hand. I have little sympathy for people that disregard their own bodies and forget about the word Moderation. Is it cold, probably, but that's just my opinion on it.
However, I don't feel sorry that he died by his own hand. I have little sympathy for people that disregard their own bodies and forget about the word Moderation. Is it cold, probably, but that's just my opinion on it.
And that's fine that you have that opinion Shocky. But you also understand why others might feel empathy towards the man and his struggles, especially those who's lives have been inflicted by similar struggles. Sly is shitting on us for daring to be empathetic. It's really quite, quite sad.
You are entitled to feel what you like. . I buried one of my best friends at the beginning of last year, but I didn't feel sorry for him, I felt sorry for the family he left behind. I felt anger towards him that the dozens of people that tried to help him were discarded so he could get his fix.
The fact is, people are going to do what they are going to do. Some will live, some will die. If Kanyon's death wakes up some other retired junky from the business that this might not be the best life plan to walk down, then it's a positive.
The fact is, people are going to do what they are going to do. Some will live, some will die. If Kanyon's death wakes up some other retired junky from the business that this might not be the best life plan to walk down, then it's a positive.
DirtyJosé
Best angle of all: retirement
I can only hope so.
Pepe Silvia
Occasional Pre-Show
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It's...Baylariat!
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It's amazing how much this topic has brought something like sympathy to the forefront. For someone to chastise you for feeling a certain way is sad. It's a feeling. It's not a fact. It's not someone saying you HAVE to feel this way. It's just a group of people who think it's their right to feel that way and to be chastised for it is stupid.
When Chris Farley died, I was misty eyed. He entertained me, he was funny, and to be honest, he's inspired a little of my sense of humor. But as far as having sympathy for him? No. He had friends constantly trying to keep him off of drugs and alcohol and to even eat better than he was. The dude was going to be Shrek's voice before he died. He had a LOT to live for. And he wasted it. I was upset because he wasted a gift on something he could control. Now, if others had sympathy for him, I left it at that. It's their business. Not mine.
So even debating an issue of whether you should feel a certain way when someone dies of a drug overdose is absurd. Feelings aren't a debatable issue. You can't change how you feel. Ricky isn't going to convince Sly to change the way he feels, and Sly's not going to change Ricky's mind either. It's best to just reflect on Kanyon's career and accomplishments, which is what the purpose of this thread should be.
When Chris Farley died, I was misty eyed. He entertained me, he was funny, and to be honest, he's inspired a little of my sense of humor. But as far as having sympathy for him? No. He had friends constantly trying to keep him off of drugs and alcohol and to even eat better than he was. The dude was going to be Shrek's voice before he died. He had a LOT to live for. And he wasted it. I was upset because he wasted a gift on something he could control. Now, if others had sympathy for him, I left it at that. It's their business. Not mine.
So even debating an issue of whether you should feel a certain way when someone dies of a drug overdose is absurd. Feelings aren't a debatable issue. You can't change how you feel. Ricky isn't going to convince Sly to change the way he feels, and Sly's not going to change Ricky's mind either. It's best to just reflect on Kanyon's career and accomplishments, which is what the purpose of this thread should be.
CynicSteve
Jobber to the stars!!!
Amen Lariet!
In the spirit of that I forgot a great Kanyon story. I was lucky enough to be in the Mellon Arena in Pittsburgh the night that Kanyon took on Shark Boy. It was one of the best matches of the night. They had just repackaged Kanyon (into a gimmick with Jackie Gayda that I don't think ever made it to tv.) and you knew he was going over but he made Shark Boy look like gold. I've always believed that the true skill in wrestling is how good you make your opponent look. There were we want Shark Boy chants the rest of the night.
It's really sad how intelligent you want people to think you are, and then profess that people have limited or no control over their own actions, that everything, or close to it, which happens to them in life is outside of their control.
You know, deep down, that I'm right, that Kanyon made the CONSCIOUS choice to abuse drugs and made the decision to kill himself. You know I'm right, even if you won't admit it.
However, you seem to keep wanting to put the blame everywhere but on the person it belongs to. KANYON took drugs, and KANYON committed suicide. And I refuse to feel sorry for any person who abuses drugs and commits suicide, just because the guy was a pro wrestler, which is what the majority of the people in this thread are doing.
So, you can continue trolling all you like, but everyone who reads this thread, and is honest with themselves, knows I'm right. Kanyon made the choices. And I'm not going to feel sorry for him.
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