RIP Kanyon

[Via Armbar]

KB, do you realize how dehumanizing that sounds? No one is telling you that you SHOULD feel bad for Kanyon. If I ever communicated that, it was not intended. But to say that because he did drugs and/or was mentally ill that he is not WORTHY of anyone's sympathy is cruel.

This whole conversation reminds me of Lord of the Rings:



You guys have no idea what it is like to be Chris Kanyon, so give the guy a freaking break.

I do agree with this whole post. Hard to argue with Gandalf

People will aways mourn in their own way, and they will mourn for whomever they feel sympathy towards. As is their rights.

 

[X]

KB, read Ricky's post again. He said all that needed to be said here. I really thought you of all people would understand this.

 

[klunderbunker]

Yeah I'm sad about it. Do I feel sorry for him? No.

 

[DirtyJosé]

This thread:

Oh noes! He did drugs! He did DRUGS! Guess it's ok to disrespect him by judging his life and his worth like he's garbage. I mean, hey he's dead now, so what do I care that I look like a colossal dick by suggesting that he somehow deserved his fate because he dared to be a human being. Fuck it, he wasn't worth shit, I mean, he had a job that paid him some amount of money that I'm going to pretend I know. So what if he was canned 6 years ago, and there's been a total economic meltdown since then; this asshole should have been perfect and saved his money and never have a god damn problem in his life because, damnit, kids are dying in Africa. While we're there, why not just give a big warm fuck you to others who've ever killed themselves, or a big fuck you to those crazies and their bi-polars and their manic-depressions. And huge unsympathetic fuck you to those who've struggled with issues of sexuality and how difficult that may have been...trying to make a living in an industry where you clearly were not welcome as you are.

Seriously, though: If you don't feel bad about it, that's fine. If you do feel bad about it, that's fine, too. It's your life, I can't tell you how to live or feel anymore than you could tell me. But karma is a bitch, and someone will be there when you slip, stumble, and fall, just to tell you that you deserved it because you didn't live life 100% perfectly.

 

[Steamboat Ricky]

More or less what X and I have been saying.

 

[Slyfox696]

This thread:

Oh noes! He did drugs! He did DRUGS! Guess it's ok to disrespect him by judging his life and his worth like he's garbage. I mean, hey he's dead now, so what do I care that I look like a colossal dick by suggesting that he somehow deserved his fate because he dared to be a human being. Fuck it, he wasn't worth shit, I mean, he had a job that paid him some amount of money that I'm going to pretend I know. So what if he was canned 6 years ago, and there's been a total economic meltdown since then; this asshole should have been perfect and saved his money and never have a god damn problem in his life because, damnit, kids are dying in Africa. While we're there, why not just give a big warm fuck you to others who've ever killed themselves, or a big fuck you to those crazies and their bi-polars and their manic-depressions. And huge unsympathetic fuck you to those who've struggled with issues of sexuality and how difficult that may have been...trying to make a living in an industry where you clearly were not welcome as you are.

Seriously, though: If you don't feel bad about it, that's fine. If you do feel bad about it, that's fine, too. It's your life, I can't tell you how to live or feel anymore than you could tell me. But karma is a bitch, and someone will be there when you slip, stumble, and fall, just to tell you that you deserved it because you didn't live life 100% perfectly.

What's funny is that while you were trying to be sarcastic here, you basically proved how ridiculous your own thought process is. Good job.

 

[X]

I really like DirtyJose.

What's funny is that while you were trying to be sarcastic here, you basically proved how ridiculous your own thought process is. Good job.

Yes. You hear that everyone? Empathy is ridiculous!

 

[Slyfox696]

I really like DirtyJose.



Yes. You hear that everyone? Empathy is ridiculous!

I'm sorry, let's all cry for the drug addicts who kill themselves by overdosing on drugs that apparently were shoved down their gullet without their consent. Meanwhile, let's fucking ignore the millions of children around the world with minor problems like starvation, forcible rape leading to AIDs, no health care, and an inability to read.

Why care about those people when we can be busy shedding our tears for suicidal drug addicts?

 

[X]

I'm sorry, let's all cry for the drug addicts who kill themselves by overdosing on drugs that apparently were shoved down their gullet without their consent. Meanwhile, let's fucking ignore the millions of children around the world with minor problems like starvation, forcible rape leading to AIDs, no health care, and an inability to read.

Why care about those people when we can be busy shedding our tears for suicidal drug addicts?

You say this like someone is holding a gun to a starving Ethiopian child and a criminal crackhead and we're choosing the crackhead to live or something. No one is saying we should ignore children around the world and problems like famine and starvation, but what does that have anything to do with this topic?

 

[Steamboat Ricky]

I'm sorry, let's all cry for the drug addicts who kill themselves by overdosing on drugs that apparently were shoved down their gullet without their consent. Meanwhile, let's fucking ignore the millions of children around the world with minor problems like starvation, forcible rape leading to AIDs, no health care, and an inability to read.

Why care about those people when we can be busy shedding our tears for suicidal drug addicts?

I don't think anyone was saying those latter things, Sly. But good try. You might want to put away your Jump to Conclusions Mat.

 

[Steamboat Ricky]

You say this like someone is holding a gun to a starving Ethiopian child and a criminal crackhead and we're choosing the crackhead to live or something. No one is saying we should ignore children around the world and problems like famine and starvation, but what does that have anything to do with this topic?

Nothing. It's what Sly does when he gets trapped. You should know this by now, X.

 

[Bernkastel]

Assuming it's suicide, he was bi-polar.

Damn that sucks; as someone with bipolar disorder, I can say that it isn't an easy thing to live with

 

[Slyfox696]

You say this like someone is holding a gun to a starving Ethiopian child and a criminal crackhead and we're choosing the crackhead to live or something. No one is saying we should ignore children around the world and problems like famine and starvation, but what does that have anything to do with this topic?

Because people will feel sorry from the suicidal drug addict, and yet, will not give a second thought for those people who are in a far worse situation than Kanyon was.

I find it to be deplorable of people to only care about the tragedy in people's lives when the person entertained them in a wrestling ring.

I don't think anyone was saying those latter things, Sly. But good try. You might want to put away your Jump to Conclusions Mat.

And I'm quite certain I said nothing about not feeling empathy, but hey, why bother being objective when you can be a hypocrite instead? Or were you getting ready to scold xfear for his comment too?

 

[Slyfox696]

Nothing. It's what Sly does when he gets trapped. You should know this by now, X.

The common flame-baiting comment which is always given when people know they've been soundly defeated by me in an argument.

 

[Steamboat Ricky]

Because people will feel sorry from the suicidal drug addict, and yet, will not give a second thought for those people who are in a far worse situation than Kanyon was.

Worse? Subjective.

I find it to be deplorable of people to only care about the tragedy in people's lives when the person entertained them in a wrestling ring.

That makes a lot of sense. How am I supposed to care about someone who I do not even know exists on an individual basis? Do you find it deplorable when you mourn over the loss of a loved one?

And I'm quite certain I said nothing about not feeling empathy, but hey, why bother being objective when you can be a hypocrite instead? Or were you getting ready to scold xfear for his comment too?

What on EARTH are you talking about Sly. Excuse my feeble mind for not having any idea what it is that you are talking about.

 

[Steamboat Ricky]

The common flame-baiting comment which is always given when people know they've been soundly defeated by me in an argument.

Hey, if I can't beat you, I might as well use heel tactics.

 

[Slyfox696]

Worse? Subjective.

Subjective? Being forcibly raped, malnourished and infected with AIDs before you become a teenager is only subjectively worse than choosing to take drugs and choosing to kill yourself?

Seriously, for your sake, quit arguing this.

That makes a lot of sense. How am I supposed to care about someone who I do not even know exists on an individual basis? Do you find it deplorable when you mourn over the loss of a loved one?

I don't know, perhaps you help them? Take a little time out of your day to volunteer and help the disadvantaged?

See, the value of that is you would get to know them PERSONALLY, as opposed to knowing nothing about a man, except the character he played as a television personality.

What on EARTH are you talking about Sly. Excuse my feeble mind for not having any idea what it is that you are talking about.

It's okay, after this post, most posters will excuse you for your feeble mind.

Because, as we all know, choosing to be a drug addict and committing suicide is far worse than starving to death because you have no money.

 

[Slyfox696]

Hey, if I can't beat you, I might as well use heel tactics.

It's cheap heat. Try something original for a change. Regurgitating the same thing 97 other people have already ignorantly said doesn't work well.

 

[X]

Everyone get the fuck back, atleast 10, 15, maybe 20 feet. Ricky versus Sly has begun.

 

[Steamboat Ricky]

Subjective? Being forcibly raped, malnourished and infected with AIDs before you become a teenage is only subjectively worse than choosing to take drugs and choosing to kill yourself?


Seriously, for your sake, quit arguing this.

And some people might think the same about you having the capacity to understand the concept of delusion.

I don't know, perhaps you help them? Take a little time out of your day to volunteer and help the disadvantaged?

Um...if I was volunteering for them...I would know that they exist.

See, the value of that is you would get to know them PERSONALLY, as opposed to knowing nothing about a man, except the character he played as a television personality.

A) Seeing someone on TV weekly can cause someone to have deep attachment. That's why everyone was getting all teary when Heartbreak hung em up the other night.

B) You're a hypocrite, as you just said above that we should have sympathy for people we don't even know. Well, I don't personally know Chris Kanyon, yet I'm showing concern for his life. But does that not include unfortunate drug addicts? Shoot.

It's okay, after this post, most posters will excuse you for your feeble mind.

Good. We can't all be Slyfox, you know.

Because, as we all know, choosing to be a drug addict and committing suicide is far worse than starving to death because you have no money.

A) Worse is still subjective. Call me soul-less, but I'm just playing by your rules, here.

B) Never said that it was worse. You keep making that assumption. You know what assuming does, right?

C) It's possible to "choose" to do drugs and not really have a choice. I explained that earlier, but you clearly ignored it.

 

[X]

And some people might think the same about you having the capacity to understand the concept of delusion.



Um...if I was volunteering for them...I would know that they exist.



A) Seeing someone on TV weekly can cause someone to have deep attachment. That's why everyone was getting all teary when Heartbreak hung em up the other night.

B) You're a hypocrite, as you just said above that we should have sympathy for people we don't even know. Well, I don't personally know Chris Kanyon, yet I'm showing concern for his life. But does that not include unfortunate drug addicts? Shoot.



Good. We can't all be Slyfox, you know.



A) Worse is still subjective. Call me soul-less, but I'm just playing by your rules, here.

B) Never said that it was worse. You keep making that assumption. You know what assuming does, right?

C) It's possible to "choose" to do drugs and not really have a choice. I explained that earlier, but you clearly ignored it.

Literally the best post I've read all day. I absolutely respect and in fact like you Sly, but I'm afraid I'm steadfastly going to have to agree with Ricky here. You don't have to share our empathy, but please don't belittle us for having that empathy.

 

[Slyfox696]

And some people might think the same about you having the capacity to understand the concept of delusion.

Delusion? You're telling me Kanyon was deluded?

What are you basing that off of? When did he become deluded? Or is that just a by-product of bi-polar disease, a constant state of delusion, with no grip on reality, a delusion which FORCES someone to take drugs to the point of addiction.

So, that's your position, right? He was delusional 100% of his life, in which drugs were shoved down his throat without consent, causing his death. But wait, how would that be suicide?

Methinks you're not making sense.

Um...if I was volunteering for them...I would know that they exist.

Exactly! But hey, why try to help people out, when you can instead pour your sympathy towards someone you don't know, who died because he was a suicidal drug addict. Like I said, THOSE are the people who deserve your sympathy.

For fuck's sake, at least follow along with the thread Ricky.

A) Seeing someone on TV weekly can cause someone to have deep attachment. That's why everyone was getting all teary when Heartbreak hung em up the other night.

Which I find to be ridiculous. But, absent that, instead of wasting that deep attachment on a suicidal drug addict, go out and grow an attachment with an underprivileged child. THAT I will have no problem shedding tears for.

B) You're a hypocrite, as you just said above that we should have sympathy for people we don't even know. Well, I don't personally know Chris Kanyon, yet I'm showing concern for his life. But does that not include unfortunate drug addicts? Shoot.

Wow, it's amazing how terrible you are at understanding an argument.

My position, from the very beginning, is that no sympathy should be wasted on a suicidal drug addict, when that sympathy can be placed in far more tragic situations. Feel sympathy for the child who was beaten to death by her father, or the little boy who starved while his mother was out partying. Feel sorry for those people...don't waste sympathy on someone who chose a life which included drugs and suicide.

A) Worse is still subjective. Call me soul-less, but I'm just playing by your rules, here.

B) Never said that it was worse. You keep making that assumption. You know what assuming does, right?

C) It's possible to "choose" to do drugs and not really have a choice. I explained that earlier, but you clearly ignored it.

If you consider it subjective, then your moral compass is extremely flawed. If you don't, then you need to admit I'm right.

So, which is it? Are you morally flawed, or am I right?


And, it's not possible to choose a drug addiction and not have a choice. There's not one medical or psychological disease which states drug addiction is an automatic bi-product. Not one. Are there environment factors which contribute to that choice? Sure, I think I've already stated that. But, it's ALWAYS a choice.

 

[Steamboat Ricky]

Delusion? You're telling me Kanyon was deluded?

What are you basing that off of? When did he become deluded? Or is that just a by-product of bi-polar disease, a constant state of delusion, with no grip on reality, a delusion which FORCES someone to take drugs to the point of addiction.

So, that's your position, right? He was delusional 100% of his life, in which drugs were shoved down his throat without consent, causing his death. But wait, how would that be suicide?

Methinks you're not making sense.

Once again...putting words in my mouth. Did I say that Kanyon, for certain, was delusional? No. Did I say that mental illness often consists of some delusion? Yes.

After all...I don't know anything about the guy personally, so I couldn't make such assumptions.

Exactly! But hey, why try to help people out, when you can instead pour your sympathy towards someone you don't know, who died because he was a suicidal drug addict. Like I said, THOSE are the people who deserve your sympathy.

Didn't realize that I had to be selective with my empathy. So I can't possibly feel sorry for Chris Kanyon and for starving children at the same time? I must have missed that memo.

For fuck's sake, at least follow along with the thread Ricky.

:everyfreaking"LOL""ROFLcopter""lmao"emoticoninalloftehinternetz:

Which I find to be ridiculous. But, absent that, instead of wasting that deep attachment on a suicidal drug addict, go out and grow an attachment with an underprivileged child. THAT I will have no problem shedding tears for.

Ah yes. The imaginative, suburban child whose mother drives a Lexus and whose father is a successful broker on Wall St. is readily going to attach himself to an underprivileged child. Or maybe he's going to attach himself to whatever he sees on TV, because that's how his parents babysit him. Oh wait...but I guess that kid has a CHOICE to have a developed brain enough to know that there is more to life than what is in a big screen television. Let's berate him, too.

Wow, it's amazing how terrible you are at understanding an argument.

Who's flame baiting, now? Did I just see a towel being thrown into the ring?

My position, from the very beginning, is that no sympathy should be wasted on a suicidal drug addict, when that sympathy can be placed in far more tragic situations. Feel sympathy for the child who was beaten to death by her father, or the little boy who starved while his mother was out partying. Feel sorry for those people...don't waste sympathy on someone who chose a life which included drugs and suicide.

Awesome. I'll keep that in mind the next time I check my stockhold of empathy.

If you consider it subjective, then your moral compass is extremely flawed. If you don't, then you need to admit I'm right.

So, which is it? Are you morally flawed, or am I right?

Neither. Because "morally flawed" is subjective based on moral code. Come on Sly. Do I need to get out the training wheels for you?

And, it's not possible to choose a drug addiction and not have a choice. There's not one medical or psychological disease which states drug addiction is an automatic bi-product. Not one. Are there environment factors which contribute to that choice? Sure, I think I've already stated that. But, it's ALWAYS a choice.

Yeah, if you are of right mind.


Let me ask you Sly...when you pee the bed...is that something you choose?

 

[X]

Yep. That's Ricky.

 

[Slyfox696]

Once again...putting words in my mouth. Did I say that Kanyon, for certain, was delusional? No. Did I say that mental illness often consists of some delusion? Yes.

After all...I don't know anything about the guy personally, so I couldn't make such assumptions.

It's amazing...you're arguing about the topic in this thread, and yet, everytime I point out how ridiculous your post is, suddenly you're not arguing that.

Have you actually said anything in this thread then?

Didn't realize that I had to be selective with my empathy. So I can't possibly feel sorry for Chris Kanyon and for starving children at the same time? I must have missed that memo.


:everyfreaking"LOL""ROFLcopter""lmao"emoticoninalloftehinternetz:



Ah yes. The imaginative, suburban child whose mother drives a Lexus and whose father is a successful broker on Wall St. is readily going to attach himself to an underprivileged child. Or maybe he's going to attach himself to whatever he sees on TV, because that's how his parents babysit him. Oh wait...but I guess that kid has a CHOICE to have a developed brain enough to know that there is more to life than what is in a big screen television. Let's berate him, too.



Who's flame baiting, now? Did I just see a towel being thrown into the ring?



Awesome. I'll keep that in mind the next time I check my stockhold of empathy.



Neither. Because "morally flawed" is subjective based on moral code. Come on Sly. Do I need to get out the training wheels for you?



Yeah, if you are of right mind.


Let me ask you Sly...when you pee the bed...is that something you choose?

Should I bother replying to this? Or did you not say any of this either? Let me know before I waste my time replying, I've grown tired of constantly embarrassing you on every point, and to read a response from you which says you didn't actually say that. Let me know before I go on.