RIP Kanyon

[The Doctor]

I would feel sad if Jeff Hardy died, because I enjoyed seeing him on my TV. However, I wouldn't feel sorry for him because it would be stupid of him to take drugs.

 

[Slyfox696]

Oh my God, it's like no matter how many times I say it you just don't listen.

RICKY AND I NEVER ONCE FUCKING SAID THAT KANYON WASN'T RESPONSIBLE FOR HIS ACTIONS OR HIS DEATH FROM SUICIDE/ODING ON DRUGS. NOT. FUCKING. ONCE. WE SIMPLY EXPLAINED THE CONCEPT OF HOW MENTAL ILLNESS CAN AFFECT THESE DECISIONS AND WHY WE WOULD FEEL EMPATHETIC TOWARDS THEM FOR THEIR MISFORTUNE.


There, I put it all in capital letters so maybe, just MAYBE you'll actually fucking read it this time. Just maybe.

Good grief, this is not about you, this is about me. And it's about me because you made it about me. Put away the word swords for a moment, and concentrate on what I'M saying.

1) Kanyon abused drugs.

2) Kanyon killed himself.

3) A person who kills himself and does drugs, still makes that choice to do so. You can talk about all the different factors that may go into that choice, but nothing... will change those three things.

This is not an attack on you, I am asking you an honest question. Do you agree with all three of those statements?

 

[X]

This is not an attack on you, I am asking you an honest question. Do you agree with all three of those statements?

You...you can't be fucking serious can you? I quite literally just responded to those 3 questions 10 seconds ago. I said that not once did Ricky or I argue to the contrary of those 3 points you just brought up (and if we aren't arguing to the contrary, that would imply we agree with that statement, or do I need to fucking explain the concept of "implications" to you as well?).

 

[Slyfox696]

You...you can't be fucking serious can you? I quite literally just responded to those 3 questions 10 seconds ago. I said that not once did Ricky or I argue to the contrary of those 3 points you just brought up (and if we aren't arguing to the contrary, that would imply we agree with that statement, or do I need to fucking explain the concept of "implications" to you as well?).

I'll take it from your response that you do agree with all three points, since you have said you don't contest those statements. With that in mind, and with those three points being the main things I argued, please tell me how you think I'm wrong, if the three points I've debated have been right.

 

[Remix]

...Sly let me put this as simply as possible. X agrees with you that Kanyon chose to abuse drugs and commit suicide. X disagrees with you that because Kanyon chose to take drugs and commit suicide we shouldn't feel sorry for him. Do you get it now?

People can feel however they want to feel about whatever they want to feel about. There is no way that somebody can be 'wrong' about an opinion or emotion. You might think that House MD is better than Chuck, I might feel the opposite. That doesn't make me wrong because we disagree.

 

[Slyfox696]

My apologies, I was frustrated because someone who had absolutely nothing to do with the argument tried to tell me I had no idea what was going on. Allow me to reply in a more productive manner:

I don't need your help to understand what's going on Remix, I understand perfectly what's being said. HOWEVER, YOU don't understand that I don't have to acknowledge their point as a valid reason that I should feel sorry for Kanyon or anyone else.

Allow me to post a snippet of a PM I had with xfear, to try and explain.

I'm perfectly calm, but it doesn't matter because I've explained my side of this to you in a calm manner, in a loud manner, in every manner possible and you either A) refuse to understand my point of view, or B) Are literally incapable of understanding my point of view.

I've actually acknowledged your apparent point of view on multiple occasions, however, I moved past your point of view to make my point of view. What I mean by that is that if I'm traveling from Point A to Point C, your view is Point B.

Allow me to explain. My stance is that:

A) People choose drugs/suicide.

C) I don't feel sorry for those who do.


Your point B, if I understand correctly, is:

B) There are many reasons people choose drugs/suicide, so you should consider those reasons before steadfastly saying you don't feel sorry for them. You should try to put yourself in their shoes (empathy).

I believe that to be the basis of your point. However, I have already acknowledged that point, way back in Post 31 of the thread:

Please. I don't doubt there are a variety of reasons people take various drugs

However, instead of feeling compassion for those reasons, like you want me to, I just move on straight to Point C. That doesn't make me wrong, it just makes me different from you.


I hope I broke your basic argument down correctly, because I think that's the best way I can explain it.

The problem here was not that I didn't understand their argument, I gave no weight to it.


Do YOU get it now?


EDIT: The above post was not intended to be as harsh as it may sound.

 

[klunderbunker]

I got red rep from Gelgarin for saying if Kanyon was mentally ill he should be in a sanitarium.

Why? If he's mentally ill and a threat to himself as he apparently was, lock him up until he's made better. Seems simple to me.

 

[Gelgarin]

Well since you mention it; what you actually said was that you didn't want people with mental illnesses allowed out on the street.

I took mild offence to that... and as the comment implied; I really struggle to see why anyone, even somebody who actually thinks that way about the mentally ill, would find it difficult to understand why I found your comment distasteful.

 

[Coco]

House and Chuck have both gotten pretty awful.

 

[X]

I'm very glad Gelgarin is able to feel empathy. I'll chalk it up as a small victory for the good guys.

 

[Steamboat Ricky]

Yeah, KB. It was pretty shocking for me. Left a bad taste in ma mouf.

 

[klunderbunker]

Well since you mention it; what you actually said was that you didn't want people with mental illnesses allowed out on the street.

I took mild offence to that... and as the comment implied; I really struggle to see why anyone, even somebody who actually thinks that way about the mentally ill, would find it difficult to understand why I found your comment distasteful.

Well if he had problems as he clearly did, why should he be allowed on the streets? Why shouldn't he be put somewhere where he can't hurt himself or others?

 

[X]

...You cannot be serious KB. Tell me you're joking, please.

 

[klunderbunker]

It's intentional hyperbole.

 

[Gelgarin]

Then lock him in a fucking sanitarium. If he has a mental illness, I don't want him on the streets. If he's got something wrong with him, lock him up.

That is what you said. If you can't see why I might find it objectionable then I feel sorry for you.

I have absolutely no interest in debating with you KB. Far as I'm concerned you're using a man's death as an excuse to live out your own private *********ion fantasy on an internet wrestling forum. That's shit; and I have no intention of helping.

I'm done here.

 

[klunderbunker]

That is what you said. If you can't see why I might find it objectionable then I feel sorry for you.

I have absolutely no interest in debating with you KB. Far as I'm concerned you're using a man's death as an excuse to live out your own private *********ion fantasy on an internet wrestling forum. That's shit; and I have no intention of helping.

I'm done here.

Well why not? Did he hurt someone with his drug abuse? Yes. So he was a danger to someone apparently. He had a mental illness. He abused drugs. Why not?

Just A Modest Proposal.

 

[X]

I believe you're confusing "modest" with "cruel; idiotic; ignorant; savage".

 

[The Doctor]

Why don't we all just calm down and have a nice feast of babies?

 

[klunderbunker]

Oh give me a break. It's not like i'm suggesting eating babies or something.

 

[klunderbunker]

Why don't we all just calm down and have a nice feast of babies?

Finally someone gets it.

 

[The Doctor]

I had to do a Modest Proposal for English this year. I did mine on digital piracy. I thought it was pretty funny.

 

[X]

Oh give me a break. It's not like i'm suggesting eating babies or something.

No, you're just proposing rounding up anyone with a mental illness and imprisoning them on the oft-chance that they might do something bad in the future.

George Orwell and the thought police would like a word with you KB.

 

[klunderbunker]

So people with mental illness should be allowed to possibly hurt others? I mean hell man, you want me to put myself in his shoes. If I were in his shoes, I'd want to get help. Why not have it ensured?

 

[Steamboat Ricky]

I have mental illness...lock me up.

 

[Coco]

I had to do a Modest Proposal for English this year. I did mine on digital piracy. I thought it was pretty funny.

I did mine on school violence and how children would be better servied if teachers weren't being used as crowd control. Instead, teachers would bestow lessons that would toughen kids up and let the strong survive. Good times. Teacher said it was the best she'd ever seen. Wish I could find the damn thing.

Really not the worst idea ever. Just imagine how well it could solve some of the youth fitness problems in the developed world.