RIP Kanyon

[The Doctor]

The way I see it is that yes, Kanyon chose to use drugs and commit suicide, but we can still feel bad that he felt that was the only choice he had. It always sucks when someone dies, especially if it's someone we were a particular fan of. However, he did choose to kill himself, which he really shouldn't have.

 

[Slyfox696]

The way I see it is that yes, Kanyon chose to use drugs and commit suicide, but we can still feel bad that he felt that was the only choice he had. It always sucks when someone dies, especially if it's someone we were a particular fan of. However, he did choose to kill himself, which he really shouldn't have.

Would you have felt bad about it, had he not been a wrestler? That's my point, or one of them at least. You wouldn't have. You wouldn't care in the slightest.

 

[X]

It's really sad how intelligent you want people to think you are, and then profess that people have limited or no control over their own actions, that everything, or close to it, which happens to them in life is outside of their control.

Except, as usual in this argument, neither Ricky nor myself ever once "professed" that people have limited or no control over their own actions. Not once. We said that MENTAL ILLNESS (and DRUG ADDICTION) can lead people to make these poor decisions in their own delusions. It's really sad that you can't separate what Ricky and I are saying, and what you keep accusing us of.

You know, deep down, that I'm right, that Kanyon made the CONSCIOUS choice to abuse drugs and made the decision to kill himself. You know I'm right, even if you won't admit it.

Don't tell me what "I know" Sly. Do you seriously think you've won this argument? You've looked like an absolute fool from beginning to end, insulting Ricky and I for daring to be empathetic to someone. You need help Sly, I'm serious, you need help if you literally cannot even fathom you being wrong about something. Everyone makes mistakes, no one is infallible. You need help if you honestly think otherwise.

However, you seem to keep wanting to put the blame everywhere but on the person it belongs to. KANYON took drugs, and KANYON committed suicide. And I refuse to feel sorry for any person who abuses drugs and commits suicide, just because the guy was a pro wrestler, which is what the majority of the people in this thread are doing.

That's fine and fuckin' dandy Sly, move on, watch a movie, read a book, start a hobby, just don't come into thread and shit on me and Ricky because we have empathy for those who struggle with issues like drug addiction. No one told you you HAD to feel bad Sly, so fucking leave if you don't and stop poking those of us that do.

So, you can continue trolling all you like, but everyone who reads this thread, and is honest with themselves, knows I'm right. Kanyon made the choices. And I'm not going to feel sorry for him.

LOL I'm trolling? You're the one trolling Sly, literally what you are doing right now is the fucking definition of the word trolling. You are coming into a thread full of people who are saddened by Kanyon's loss, and you're telling us that we shouldn't feel bad because he was a drug addict and brought it onto himself. That is LITERALLY the textbook definition of trolling Sly.

Get help Sly, I'm serious. If you really think you're infallible and can never be wrong about anything ever, you desperately need help. Because anyone who reads this thread and follows this argument can tell just who's being the trolling asshole (you) and who's simply being empathetic to a fellow human beings struggles (Ricky and myself).

 

[Coco]

 

[X]

That's it Sly, keep red repping me with your unlimited admin red rep, keep closing threads while you're at it too. Anything to try and save face, because Slyfox could NEVER be wrong about something, EVER. Nope, always right about everything.

By far the most sad and childish thing I've ever seen you do on here Sly. I literally pity you if you cannot admit to even the possibility of being wrong about something.

 

[The Doctor]

Would you have felt bad about it, had he not been a wrestler? That's my point, or one of them at least. You wouldn't have. You wouldn't care in the slightest.

The thing is, I don't. I was not around to see him perform, and therefore do not have any fond memories of him. However, those that do can feel sorry if they feel like it, because they DO have memories of him.

It's like me and Billy Mays. His was probably the celebrity death that I was the most sad about, since I loved his commercials and his TV show, and he always seemed like such a nice guy and a real family man. Those that don't share the same feelings as me obviously didn't feel sad.

 

[Slyfox696]

That's it Sly, keep red repping me with your unlimited admin red rep, keep closing threads while you're at it too. Anything to try and save face, because Slyfox could NEVER be wrong about something, EVER. Nope, always right about everything.

By far the most sad and childish thing I've ever seen you do on here Sly. I literally pity you if you cannot admit to even the possibility of being wrong about something.

You're crying about being red repped twice and calling me the child? Grow up already.

And what the fuck does closing threads have to do with anything? You keep bringing it up like you're making some kind of valid point. Do you think I'm stupid? That I closed the Bar Room thread so Ricky wouldn't make a post against me there, unwittingly forgetting the fact this fucking thread exists?

Again, grow up already xfear. You're acting like a baby.

 

[Coco]

I still have no fucking clue who Billy Mays is.

 

[Blue Chipper]

 

[Slyfox696]

Except, as usual in this argument, neither Ricky nor myself ever once "professed" that people have limited or no control over their own actions. Not once. We said that MENTAL ILLNESS (and DRUG ADDICTION) can lead people to make these poor decisions in their own delusions. It's really sad that you can't separate what Ricky and I are saying, and what you keep accusing us of.

Please. Your whole position throughout this entire debate has been to excuse his use of drugs and his decision to commit suicide. You can play all the word games you want, saying you never explicitly said the words, but the implications were certainly there. Don't resort to cheap tricks like this, argue like an adult.

Here are some quotes from you and Ricky NOT saying they didn't have control over their actions:

BS, kb. How do you figure "they did it to themselves." Surprising.

Anyone who thinks he "brought this upon himself" or any other person who chooses suicide and/or self-medication with drugs is pretty ignorant. Hopefully none of my future patients encounter your insecurities and make them feel judged for feeling like crap.

Yeah, I'm firmly with Ricky on this one. I don't think you truly understand the nature of mental illness and drug addicition Sly.

Some people are mentally ill (psychotic) do not have control over their minds and thus, how could they CHOOSE to do anything?

What the fuck is wrong with you people? We shouldn't feel bad that someone was not strong enough to help themselves and they succumbed to their own demons?

Do any of you understand the concept of being delusional? When someone is delusional, he or she does not have a sound concept of reality. Thus, the use of drugs is more understandable.

Wow, these people's lives are in shambles...let's crucify them for having problems.

What you're not getting though, is the fact that these "choices" they make to drown themselves in these drugs and kill themselves are not always made with a healthy mind. Do you not understand the concept of a delusional mind?

There's just a few quotes, all of which you excuse the conscious actions of an individual, saying his decisions were far from his ability to make.

Quit with the word games already, and just admit I'm right. Kanyon CHOSE to take drugs, and Kanyon CHOSE to kill himself.


It's funn, how you keep wanting to accuse me of never admitting I'm wrong, and yet you haven't once acknowledged the fact I'm completely right about Kanyon choosing the path his life took. Pot meet kettle?

 

[It's...Baylariat!]

Billy Mays sold mops. To cleaning ladies.

 

[It's...Baylariat!]

I still have no fucking clue who Billy Mays is.

He sold mops. To cleaning ladies.

 

[It's...Baylariat!]

Billy Mays sold mops. To cleaning ladies.

 

[Slyfox696]

He sold mops. To cleaning ladies.

I cried when he died. It was so sad.

 

[X]

You're fucking pathetic Sly. That's all. Never once did I claim that Kanyon didn't make his own decisions to use those drugs, Ricky and I were simply explaining to you how it was POSSIBLE for mental illness and other disesases to delude oneself into making these poor decisions, NEVER did we say that Kanyon was one of those people because we don't know him and don't know his life story, but we were simply explaining to you that CONCEPT of it, which you STILL can't accept.

You can live your way all you'd like, Ricky and myself and those with hearts and souls will choose to have a little fucking something called EMPATHY. Sorry you think we're so pathetic for having empathy.

Oh and by the way Sly, no less than about 5 people have PMed me or repped me saying how much of a fucking fool you've looked in this thread. I'm done with this argument, but unlike you, I can't close a thread and threaten to ban people if it's re-opened in order to save face.

And still, you can't even admit to the POSSIBILITY of you MAYBE being wrong about something. Which is the saddest thing of all. I literally pity you Sly. Have a good night, I won't be responding further to your pitiful antics.

 

[It's...Baylariat!]

I cried when he died. It was so sad.

Is it possible to feel bad AND still laugh?

 

[Slyfox696]

You're fucking pathetic Sly. That's all. Never once did I claim that Kanyon didn't make his own decisions to use those drugs, Ricky and I were simply explaining to you how it was POSSIBLE for mental illness and other disesases to delude oneself into making these poor decisions, NEVER did we say that Kanyon was one of those people because we don't know him and don't know his life story, but we were simply explaining to you that CONCEPT of it, which you STILL can't accept.

I understand your position. It's just a bad one. Your position is that people are persuaded by whatever reason, to abuse drugs and commit suicide. The problem is it doesn't change the fact these people still make that choice, which is what I said a LONG time ago.

You can live your way all you'd like, Ricky and myself and those with hearts and souls will choose to have a little fucking something called EMPATHY. Sorry you think we're so pathetic for having empathy.

And I'll continue to reserve my sorrow and condolences for the people who deserve it. And we can each go on our merry way.

Oh and by the way Sly, no less than about 5 people have PMed me or repped me saying how much of a fucking fool you've looked in this thread. I'm done with this argument, but unlike you, I can't close a thread and threaten to ban people if it's re-opened in order to save face.

Really? Because I'm looking at your rep right now, and not one of your reps says anything about me.

Why bother with the truth when it's so much easier to lie? But, I'm sure it was just a mistake, I'm sure you just meant PMs, not reps.

And still, you can't even admit to the POSSIBILITY of you MAYBE being wrong about something. Which is the saddest thing of all. I literally pity you Sly.

But I'm not wrong. In fact, I've been right this entire time. At the end of the day, you can't dispute the following arguments.

1) Kanyon abused drugs.

2) Kanyon killed himself.

3) A person who kills himself and does drugs, still makes that choice to do so.


You can talk about all the different factors that may go into that choice, but nothing you have said, or can say, will change those three things.

 

[The Doctor]

He sold mops. To cleaning ladies.

Actually, he went around and helped people make money by taking struggling inventors' ideas and putting them on TV. He helped out people who had hit hard times. He was also a great guy to his fans, always stopping for an autograph and to say hi, and he was a real family man. He legitimized the infomercial industry and was a recognizable face all across the United States. His death was very sudden, and since I believed all these things about him and considered myself a fan of his, I was upset when he died. His TV show was awesome.

But you know, that's just how I feel. Someone who doesn't feel that way wasn't sad. And the same thing is applicable to this Kanyon debate.

 

[X]

Really? Because I'm looking at your rep right now, and not one of your reps says anything about me.

Then you really fuckin suck at reading subtext Sly, or you'd see Coco's green rep to me saying how sad he was by how ignorant some people in this thread are. And considering he gave me GREEN rep, I'm assuming he wasn't referring to me. (Meaning he was referring to you).

Nice try at your usual bullshit tactics, anything to skirt the argument and try to personally attack the person.

 

[Via Armbar]

lulz I love how any time anyone debates Sly on anything they are all "ITS ABOUT TIME SOMEONE DID THIS DAMMIT"



What the fuck is he, the krakken?

 

[Slyfox696]

Then you really fuckin suck at reading subtext Sly, or you'd see Coco's green rep to me saying how sad he was by how ignorant some people in this thread are. And considering he gave me GREEN rep, I'm assuming he wasn't referring to me. (Meaning he was referring to you).

Nice try at your usual bullshit tactics, anything to skirt the argument and try to personally attack the person.

Coco's rep said the following:

This thread makes me sick.

I can post an image if you'd like.

 

[X]

But I'm not wrong. In fact, I've been right this entire time. At the end of the day, you can't dispute the following arguments.

1) Kanyon abused drugs.

2) Kanyon killed himself.

3) A person who kills himself and does drugs, still makes that choice to do so.

Oh my God, it's like no matter how many times I say it you just don't listen.

RICKY AND I NEVER ONCE FUCKING SAID THAT KANYON WASN'T RESPONSIBLE FOR HIS ACTIONS OR HIS DEATH FROM SUICIDE/ODING ON DRUGS. NOT. FUCKING. ONCE. WE SIMPLY EXPLAINED THE CONCEPT OF HOW MENTAL ILLNESS CAN AFFECT THESE DECISIONS AND WHY WE WOULD FEEL EMPATHETIC TOWARDS THEM FOR THEIR MISFORTUNE.


There, I put it all in capital letters so maybe, just MAYBE you'll actually fucking read it this time. Just maybe.

 

[Via Armbar]

That's all. Never once did I claim that Kanyon didn't make his own decisions to use those drugs, Ricky and I were simply explaining to you how it was POSSIBLE for mental illness and other disesases to delude oneself into making these poor decisions

Common ground. You and I have found it X. I can agree with it despite our different views on the rest of the matter. So yeah, don't let anyone tell you that you can't mourn whoever you'd like.

 

[X]

Coco's rep said the following:




I can post an image if you'd like.

Yes, and if he GREEN REPPED me with that comment Sly, it would imply that I'm not the one who's making him sick in that thread, wouldn't it? It would imply that he agrees with me.

I know you aren't this fucking stupid so I don't even know what game you're trying to play now. Or maybe you really are this dense.

 

[Coco]

I hope we get an X and Ricky vs. Sly rematch when Jeff Hardy throws caution to the wind for the last time.