RIP Kanyon

[The Doctor]

I have a mental illness myself.

My Modest Proposal talked about a program called Ingenue that would download music for you automatically by utilizing the Music Genome Project. It would have the added benefit of stimulating the economy by forcing sales of hard drives, which in turn caused companies to make bigger and better storage solutions.

 

[X]

So people with mental illness should be allowed to possibly hurt others? I mean hell man, you want me to put myself in his shoes. If I were in his shoes, I'd want to get help. Why not have it ensured?

I know you aren't this stupid KB, so I'm really curious as to what you're getting at here.

You ACTUALLY believe that anyone with a mental illness should be imprisoned because they MIGHT do something in the FUTURE that MIGHT cause harm to another person? KB, do I seriously need to explain why that statement is so foolish?

 

[The Doctor]

I have dyspraxia, and I actually have ADHD.

I don't really want to be imprisoned.

And KB was being satirical by saying that EVERYONE should be locked up. Hence "Modest Proposal". You know, Swift.

 

[X]

I'm fairly certain KB was not being satirical Doc, he's been arguing for that side of this argument from the beginning. He was serious.

 

[Coco]

I actually have ADHD.

Yeah. Right. Sure you do.

 

[Slyfox696]

I'm fairly certain KB was not being satirical Doc, he's been arguing for that side of this argument from the beginning. He was serious.

I think KB was, especially with the eating babies thing.

 

[DirtyJosé]

KB, might I ask then (in all seriousness and respect ): what would be the measuring stick of such an effort. What would be the line that marked someone as a danger to others/themselves?

Also, did you and Doc plan to make baby eating comments, or was that an Easter miracle?

 

[Slyfox696]

KB, might I ask then (in all seriousness and respect ): what would be the measuring stick of such an effort. What would be the line that marked someone as a danger to others/themselves?

Also, did you and Doc plan to make baby eating comments, or was that an Easter miracle?

Google "A Modest Proposal". You won't even have to click on anything.

 

[DirtyJosé]

Thank you, Sly.

You learn something new everyday.

 

[Slyfox696]

Thank you, Sly.

You learn something new everyday.

I had never heard of it before either. I just noticed KB kept capitalizing Modest Proposal, so I Googled it.

 

[The Brain]

Question for Sly:

Why do you care how X, Ricky, or anyone else feels about Kanyon? Just because they felt a little sadness for a man who died you didn’t have to come in here and wave your finger at them telling them they shouldn’t feel this way. You’ve said you want to save your sympathy for starving children and others suffering from such problems. What does one have to do with the other? X and Ricky, you can’t feel bad about Kanyon. There are starving children if Africa. That doesn’t make any sense. I don’t know about you, but I don’t have a limitation on my emotions. They never said you have to feel the way they do. Just don’t come down on them for how they feel. I doubt they’re crying their eyes out for the guy. They’re just acknowledging someone they enjoyed watching. Be honest. When you came in here with your first post you were just looking for an argument. Otherwise you could have just let the Kanyon fans say what they wanted and left it alone. You got what you wanted. I’m not looking to keep this going on and on. There are so many other things to debate. There are forums for sports, movies, politics, and pretty much anything you want. You can try to convince people to agree with you on any of those topics. A man has died. Let the people feel how they want about it without making them seem inferior to your beliefs.

I don’t have much of an opinion about Kanyon. I didn’t watch much WCW and he wasn’t very memorable in the WWF. When I heard he died I thought that’s too bad, and didn’t give it much thought after that. I don’t think that makes me heartless. The guy just didn’t have an impact on me. If he had an impact on X and Ricky by all means express it how you please. I’m not going to lump all drug users or people with mental illness into one group. We are individuals and all have individual circumstances. I know nothing about Kanyon’s personal life. He was a human being and it’s too bad he was so unhappy with his life. I feel for those who cared for him.

 

[Slyfox696]

Question for Sly:

Why do you care how X, Ricky, or anyone else feels about Kanyon? Just because they felt a little sadness for a man who died you didn’t have to come in here and wave your finger at them telling them they shouldn’t feel this way. You’ve said you want to save your sympathy for starving children and others suffering from such problems. What does one have to do with the other? X and Ricky, you can’t feel bad about Kanyon. There are starving children if Africa. That doesn’t make any sense. I don’t know about you, but I don’t have a limitation on my emotions. They never said you have to feel the way they do. Just don’t come down on them for how they feel. I doubt they’re crying their eyes out for the guy. They’re just acknowledging someone they enjoyed watching. Be honest. When you came in here with your first post you were just looking for an argument. Otherwise you could have just let the Kanyon fans say what they wanted and left it alone. You got what you wanted. I’m not looking to keep this going on and on. There are so many other things to debate. There are forums for sports, movies, politics, and pretty much anything you want. You can try to convince people to agree with you on any of those topics. A man has died. Let the people feel how they want about it without making them seem inferior to your beliefs.

I don’t have much of an opinion about Kanyon. I didn’t watch much WCW and he wasn’t very memorable in the WWF. When I heard he died I thought that’s too bad, and didn’t give it much thought after that. I don’t think that makes me heartless. The guy just didn’t have an impact on me. If he had an impact on X and Ricky by all means express it how you please. I’m not going to lump all drug users or people with mental illness into one group. We are individuals and all have individual circumstances. I know nothing about Kanyon’s personal life. He was a human being and it’s too bad he was so unhappy with his life. I feel for those who cared for him.

If you go back and look, when this argument started, I never said anything about any of that. Actually, X and Ricky were arguing with me over how I felt. I said I chose not to feel sympathy for the drug addict...X and Ricky were insinuating/telling me I was wrong for not having sympathy for drug addicts.

Go back and look. It all starts with post 22 in this thread, and then carries on from there.


I really wish people would take a little more time to think these things through and see how they actually progressed. Like I said, Ricky and X were the ones who was trying to tell me I was wrong for how I felt.

 

[X]

...What are you talking about Sly? This is the 22nd post in this thread, made by yourself. Previous to this post neither Ricky nor myself EVER said a single thing to you about how you SHOULD feel sorry for Kanyon. Not once.

Yes, let's all cry and pray for the psychotic drug addicts. Let's just ignore the millions upon millions of people (including children) around the world who die of starvation and poverty every year. After all, when did they ever entertain us?

Are you really going to sit here and tell me that this post here is nothing other than you trying to get a rise out of someone and start an argument? Dexter, who clearly was upset by Kanyon's death, says a few kind words, and you shit on him for it, before Ricky or I or anyone else said a single thing to you. That is disrespectful and completely uncalled for, and is pretty much the textbook definition of the word "trolling".

If you don't see how you're wrong in this scenario, I don't know man, you aren't being reasonable or rational. Simple as that.

 

[Steamboat Ricky]

Yes, let's all cry and pray for the psychotic drug addicts. Let's just ignore the millions upon millions of people (including children) around the world who die of starvation and poverty every year. After all, when did they ever entertain us?

You were ridiculing people for having sympathy for Kanyon. Go read it. It's in the 22nd post.

 

[Slyfox696]

...What are you talking about Sly? This is the 22nd post in this thread, made by yourself. Previous to this post neither Ricky nor myself EVER said a single thing to you about how you SHOULD feel sorry for Kanyon. Not once.



Are you really going to sit here and tell me that this post here is nothing other than you trying to get a rise out of someone and start an argument? Dexter, who clearly was upset by Kanyon's death, says a few kind words, and you shit on him for it, before Ricky or I or anyone else said a single thing to you. That is disrespectful and completely uncalled for, and is pretty much the textbook definition of the word "trolling".

If you don't see how you're wrong in this scenario, I don't know man, you aren't being reasonable or rational. Simple as that.

If you don't understand the point of that post, then I don't know what to tell you. That post is NOT saying anything about feeling bad for Kanyon, what it IS, however, is a statement in which I want people to consider the values for which they stand for, while at the same time expressing the conditions for which I express my sympathy.

But, we've been all through that. The fact of the matter is that you and Ricky started this whole thing about whether or not I should feel sorrow for the drug addict or not.

You're xfear, simple as that.


EDIT: I never once in that post told people who they can feel sympathy for.

 

[X]

Save your disappointed smilies for yourself Sly, because I've never been as disappointed in a fellow staff member as I am of you tonight.

If you don't understand the point of that post, then I don't know what to tell you. That post is NOT saying anything about feeling bad for Kanyon, what it IS, however, is a statement in which I want people to consider the values for which they stand for, while at the same time expressing the conditions for which I express my sympathy.

I perfectly understand the point of your post. Do you understand the fact that this was not an appropriate time to insult someone (which IS what you were doing when you were mocking Dexter, insulting him) for feeling sorrow over the death of a man? No matter what way you want to slice this Sly, you were being completely disrespectful to everyone in this thread just by coming in and making that statement, whether that statement is true or not is irrelevant, it was flat out disrespectful.

But, we've been all through that. The fact of the matter is that you and Ricky started this whole thing about whether or not I should feel sorrow for the drug addict or not.

No, we didn't. Again, read post 22, by you. YOU started this Sly, not Ricky and myself. Stop telling us otherwise when everyone who can read this thread can see literally in front of their very own eyes that you were the one to start this argument.

You're xfear, simple as that.

If that was meant to be another insult, well, it wasn't a very good one.

Honestly I've lost a lot of respect for you tonight Sly. That you feel it was appropriate for you to insult people for feeling empathy for the death of a fellow human being is absolutely disgusting, and I hope you realize that. Good night.

 

[Steamboat Ricky]

Sly, have you been at the Gaffer's home brew?

 

[The Brain]

If you go back and look, when this argument started, I never said anything about any of that. Actually, X and Ricky were arguing with me over how I felt. I said I chose not to feel sympathy for the drug addict...X and Ricky were insinuating/telling me I was wrong for not having sympathy for drug addicts.

Go back and look. It all starts with post 22 in this thread, and then carries on from there.


I really wish people would take a little more time to think these things through and see how they actually progressed. Like I said, Ricky and X were the ones who was trying to tell me I was wrong for how I felt.

The way I read it they were just sticking up for themselves and saying how they felt. There was a post where someone (I think Ricky) said "of course we should mourn them." I think he was referring to those who chose to mourn, not forcing that opinion on everyone. Maybe you didn't tell them directly how they should or should not feel, but it sure seemed like you were trying to make them feel inferior for how they felt.

 

[Slyfox696]

Save your disappointed smilies for yourself Sly, because I've never been as disappointed in a fellow staff member as I am of you tonight.

Yes, it's awful that I don't feel bad for a suicidal drug addict.


How petty of you xfear, that you refuse to allow ANYONE to have an opinion other than yours, and when someone, over and over again, proves what they are saying, you just resort to insults.

I perfectly understand the point of your post. Do you understand the fact that this was not an appropriate time to insult someone (which IS what you were doing when you were mocking Dexter, insulting him) for feeling sorrow over the death of a man. No matter what way you want to slice this Sly, you were being completely disrespectful to everyone in this thread just by coming in and making that statement, whether that statement is true or not is irrelevant, it was flat out disrespectful.

No, it wasn't. Not a single person here knows Kanyon personally...he's nobody to everyone here. He's some person we saw on our television show.

This is a professional wrestling forum. This thread was the only thread to discuss his death. I posted my feelings on his death. Are you really trying to tell me that on a wrestling forum, in a thread discussing the death of a wrestler nobody knows and wasn't even a star, the only people who can post are the ones who weep over him?

That's absurd xfear, and we've already been over this.

No, we didn't. Again, read post 22, by you. YOU started this Sly, not Ricky and myself. Stop telling us otherwise when everyone who can read this thread can see literally in front of their very own eyes that you were the one to start this argument.

Your inability to accept the things you do wrong astounds me.

But you're right. Next time someone dies, we'll only let the people who want to RIP the wrestler post in the thread. And if anyone else does, we'll tell him what a bad person he is. The fact of the matter is I was expressing my opinion in this thread, you didn't like my opinion, and the two of you attacked me for it.

If that was meant to be another insult, well, it wasn't a very good one.

It wasn't, it was just a word I forgot to put in. It was supposed to say "You're wrong xfear".

Typos happen. Luckily you already know you're wrong.

Honestly I've lost a lot of respect for you tonight Sly. That you feel it was appropriate for you to insult people for feeling empathy for the death o a person is absolutely disgusting, and I hope you realize that. Good night.

And your insistence on trying to suppress a person's opinion on something that is basically unrelated to you, I find equally disgusting.

This is a message board. People are allowed to post their opinions, no matter what YOU or Ricky or myself think of them. If you can't handle that concept, then I don't know what to tell you.

 

[Slyfox696]

The way I read it they were just sticking up for themselves and saying how they felt. There was a post where someone (I think Ricky) said "of course we should mourn them." I think he was referring to those who chose to mourn, not forcing that opinion on everyone. Maybe you didn't tell them directly how they should or should not feel, but it sure seemed like you were trying to make them feel inferior for how they felt.

But there was no need for Ricky or X to stick up for themselves, since I didn't address any comment to them. Ricky did it because "someone has to stand up to me", and xfear did it because he can't stand someone having a different opinion.

I didn't tell people they couldn't sympathize for Kanyon, I just made it known that, in my opinion, it's absurd to shed a tear over a drug addict who committed suicide, just because he was a wrestler, when there are far more disadvantaged people in this world who don't get enough sympathy from these same people, simply because they AREN'T pro wrestlers.

That's when X and Ricky attacked me. Like I said, they cared far more how I felt, and tried to tell me I was wrong, than I did in the beginning.

 

[Slyfox696]

Ugh, will you all make your posts already?

 

[X]

Yes, it's awful that I don't feel bad for a suicidal drug addict.

Never said you should. Not once. Feel free to direct me to where I ever said that, because I didn't.

How petty of you xfear, that you refuse to allow ANYONE to have an opinion other than yours, and when someone, over and over again, proves what they are saying, you just resort to insults.

What on Earth are you talking about? Again, direct me to where I siad you weren't allowed to have your own opinion Slyfox. Never said that, I in fact said the exact opposite, I said that you can feel however YOU want to about Kanyon, just don't try to make us feel bad for feeling the way we do. Unless you can provide a direct quote of me saying you aren't allowed to have your own opinion, I kindly suggest you stop repeating this because you're only digging yourself further and further into a hole and making yourself look more and more foolish in the process.

No, it wasn't. Not a single person here knows Kanyon personally...he's nobody to everyone here. He's some person we saw on our television show.

And you don't think someone can feel an emotional attachment to someone who entertains them on their television set? Did you run up to the Michael Jackson fan club 10 seconds after he died, point your finger in their face and say "HA HA THAT FUCKING PATHETIC CHILD MOLESTING ********ER IS DEAD HAHA!"?

People are allowed to feel emotional attachment to someone that entertains them Sly. Are you suggesting otherwise?

This is a professional wrestling forum. This thread was the only thread to discuss his death. I posted my feelings on his death. Are you really trying to tell me that on a wrestling forum, in a thread discussing the death of a wrestler nobody knows and wasn't even a star, the only people who can post are the ones who weep over him?

Again, I NEVER said that you HAD to feel sorry for him Sly. If you want to keep repeating that line, than show me the fucking quote where I said it, or stop saying it.

We don't have a problem with you having a differing opinion. What we have a problem with is you trying to make others feel inferior to your because we have a differing opinion to your own, which is exactly what you did when you responded to Dexter in post 22 in this thread. You started it, and the evidence is right there for everyone to see, so stop saying you didn't.

Your inability to accept the things you do wrong astounds me.

I have done nothing wrong other than be a bit passionate about my opinions and perhaps be a bit overzealous. Which is a far cry from what you've done, which is try to make others feel inferior to you for mourning Kanyon's death. Stop denying it, we have the quote in this thread that literally proves you saying exactly that.

And this goes back to my original point, about how you are seemingly incapable of admitting you could be wrong about something. In the 3 years I've known you, I've never seen you admit to being wrong about anything even once. If you honestly think you're infallible and can never be wrong, I flat out pity you, and I really suggest you find some serious psychiatric help.

But you're right. Next time someone dies, we'll only let the people who want to RIP the wrestler post in the thread. And if anyone else does, we'll tell him what a bad person he is. The fact of the matter is I was expressing my opinion in this thread, you didn't like my opinion, and the two of you attacked me for it.

We DEFENDED ourselves and those that were mourning his death, we didn't attack you Sly, you attacked US and OUR position. And then you get all pissy that we defend ourselves?

And you insistence on trying to suppress a person's opinion on something that is basically unrelated to you, I find equally disgusting.

Again, feel free to show me where I ever tried to suppress you or anyone else's opinion Sly. I didn't, ever, and if you continue to make this claim, I'm not going to stand here and let you flat out LIE to everyone on here and claim that I'm trying to suppress differing opinions.

This is a message board. People are allowed to post their opinions, no matter what YOU or Ricky or myself think of them. If you can't handle that concept, then I don't know what to tell you.

Again, show me where Ricky and myself tried to suppress your opinion Sly. For the five millionth fucking time, YOU ATTACKED US for mourning his death, we simply defended ourselves. If you REALLY think otherwise, than you're simply being delusional, and I again suggest you seek psychiatric help.

That about cover it?

 

[The Brain]

I didn't tell people they couldn't sympathize for Kanyon, I just made it known that, in my opinion, it's absurd to shed a tear over a drug addict who committed suicide, just because he was a wrestler, when there are far more disadvantaged people in this world who don't get enough sympathy from these same people, simply because they AREN'T pro wrestlers.

I guess this is the part I don't understand. We don't know how Ricky and X feel about these people. Just because they mourn for Kanyon doesn't mean they don't care about others too. It's ok to sympathize both. When you phrase it like that it seems to me you are putting yourself above them. Correct me if I'm misinterpreting that.

I'm not here to change your mind. If you don't want to mourn for someone because he was a drug addict so be it. If X and Ricky choose to mourn anyway so be it. I just think when it comes to death it's wrong to try to tell someone how to feel or ridicule how they feel. As long as we're all agreeing that no one is trying to tell anyone else how to feel or ridicule anyone else's feelings it's cool with me. To each his own. I thought you were in here trying to provoke people and I didn't think this was an appropriate place for it.

In my opinion it's ok to mourn the loss of anyone who impacted your life no matter how big or little impact they had. Again I don't think anyone on these forums is totally distraught over the death of Kanyon. They just remember being entertained by him and were sorry to hear how his life ended.

 

[The Brain]

Ugh, will you all make your posts already?

Sorry. Had to check fantasy baseball.

 

[Slyfox696]

There we go.

Never said you should. Not once. Feel free to direct me to where I ever said that, because I didn't.

How about your last post?

Save your disappointed smilies for yourself Sly, because I've never been as disappointed in a fellow staff member as I am of you tonight.

You're "disappointed" because, from your point of view, I'm not admitting I'm wrong about how I feel about suicidal drug addicts.

What on Earth are you talking about? Again, direct me to where I siad you weren't allowed to have your own opinion Slyfox. Never said that, I in fact said the exact opposite, I said that you can feel however YOU want to about Kanyon, just don't try to make us feel bad for feeling the way we do. Unless you can provide a direct quote of me saying you aren't allowed to have your own opinion, I kindly suggest you stop repeating this because you're only digging yourself further and further into a hole and making yourself look more and more foolish in the process.

You don't feel sorry for him, that's fine, go to another thread then.

So, according to you, unless we feel sorry for Kanyon, we can't post in this thread.

By the way, it took me a while to find that quote. I knew it was there though.

And you don't think someone can feel an emotional attachment to someone who entertains them on their television set? Did you run up to the Michael Jackson fan club 10 seconds after he died, point your finger in their face and say "HA HA THAT FUCKING PATHETIC CHILD MOLESTING ********ER IS DEAD HAHA!"?

People are allowed to feel emotional attachment to someone that entertains me Sly. Are you suggesting otherwise?

I'm suggesting that if your emotional attachment is so strong, you can't begin to accept the idea that someone else doesn't feel the same way you do about him/her, then there is a problem.

If you can't accept the fact I don't feel sympathy for Kanyon, just because he's your favorite wrestler (theoretically), then there's a problem with that, especially when it's all being done over a message board which ENCOURAGES opinions.

We don't have a problem with you having a differing opinoin .

But there was a problem with me having a differing opinion, apparently, as Ricky seemed to take offense to the fact I'm not going to sympathize for Kanyon, when he said:

What on EARTH is wrong with having sympathy for psychotic drug addicts?

And then it went from there. So apparently there WAS a problem with my differing opinion.

I have done nothing wrong other than be a bit passionate about my opinions and perhaps be a bit overzealous. Which is a far cry from what you've done, which is try to make others feel inferior to you for mourning Kanyon's death. Stop denying it, we have the quote in this thread that literally proves you saying exactly that.

And this goes back to my original point, about how you are seemingly incapable of admitting you could be wrong about something. In the 3 years I've known you, I've never seen you admit to being wrong about anything even once. If you honestly think you're infallible and can never be wrong, I flat out pity you, and I really suggest you find some serious psychiatric help.

The problem here xfear is that the only way one can be proven "wrong" is to show irrefutable evidence contradicting a claim. You haven't done that here, you CAN'T do that here, because what it all comes down to is a person's opinion on the subject.

I've long said that just because it's an opinion, it doesn't mean it can't be wrong, but when you have two reasonable opinions, which can be supported with logical reasoning and conclusions, how can a person be wrong? We can disagree, but can't really be "wrong".

That's why you never see me admit I'm "wrong" because I rarely am. Perhaps I don't always take the opinion you or even most people do, perhaps I take a little more far-fetched opinion on certain topics. But I never put myself in a situation where cold hard facts can prove me wrong, or (and I'm thinking of our marijuana debates) where there are not cold hard facts to prove me right.

Not everything is always black and white, right and wrong. There will never be an opinion supported by all, without reasonable opposition. Sure, people like us can certainly ARGUE like there is, which any good debater will do, but the intelligent debater knows deep down that on EVERY issue of opinion, there will always be more than one reasonable opinion.

I hope that makes sense.

I can't believe I had to post that again. Again, you resort to the insults when you're getting beat.

We DEFENDED ourselves and those that were mourning his death, we didn't attack you Sly, you attacked US and OUR position. And then you get all pissy that we defend ourselves?

You defended yourself? No you didn't. You attacked my thoughts on the subject, simply because YOU didn't agree with it.