It could have been CM Punk, Shelton, or any guy at mid-card status, I said Kennedy, and I said as a face, because he won the MITB and never got his title shot due to his injury and the WWE jumping the gun on him being hurt. The Rumble is used to elevate guys and it has been before and yes it doesn't happen every year but kudos to you for completely missing the point.
No, you are the one who is missing the point. Not just my point, but the point of the Rumble match itself. Is the Rumble match billed as the match where stars are born? Of course not. It's billed as the winner gets a title shot at Wrestlemania. The Rumble is used to build the Wrestlemania main-event. Why would Punk, Shelton or Kennedy ever be in a position to win this year's Rumble? Not one of the three is ready to compete for a main-event title at Wrestlemania.
Well, for the last few years, it has been used to elevate guys. I understand that they use it to set up the WM main event, but just look at the last few years....
2006-Mysterio
2005-Batista
2004-Benoit
Those are guys who barely sniffed the main event before they got that monster push that the Rumble win gives you.
Just because they got the main-event push, doesn't mean that they weren't ready to main-event before. The point is that every Rumble is used to set up Wrestlemania. Sometimes it coincides with putting a guy over, but sometime it doesn't. How come people were mad like this when HBK and Undertaker were the last two in last year's Rumble. Where was the outrage at not putting over young guys there?
Rumble sets up Wrestlemania, and always has (since 1990). It's not used as a tool to put someone over.
Cena is not incredibly talented, thats like saying Mick Foley is an incredibly talented technical wrestler. Which everyone knows isn't true, but he is good at what he does, and so is Cena, he is good at his selective move set.
How is Cena not talented? Other than not using a bunch of moves in a match (which is irrelevant to being good), what does Cena do that shows he's not good?
Right so if you are loved or hated? then how come Cena isn't loved by everyone? how come he is the only 'face' who is aiming to be a huge babyface to get crowd heat in a long time, he is pretty much in the grey area and not by choice. Thats because the wrestling fans can see through his 'loyalty' crap and see that he isn't as good as a lot of more deserving wrestlers.
Because it's "cool" to boo John Cena, and uncool to like him if you are in the 16-25 age range. I mean, I've yet to find one person who can definitely tell me why they don't think John Cena is a good wrestler, that has anything to do with wrestling ability. People give the "5 moves" and the gimmick...but none of that has to do with his actual ability. Basically, it's the ignorance of the fans that causes that, not his lack of talent.
The fact is that people CARE about Cena. Whether your hate or love him, people care about him, and pay money to see him. Which is what makes him better than the Charlie Haas of the world.
Ok, so if its not having a wider ability in the ring, its their selling ability, and if anyone has actually watched a match with Cena closely, he has the tendancy to be very stiff and his selling ability with different styles of wrestling lacks a lot.
You're saying that John Cena's selling isn't good? Explain that. And try and use something other than the WM23 match to prove it.
Let's put it this way. Cena's selling is so realistic that when he was actually legitimately hurt, it took a while before people even realized it. That's because his selling of an injury, and the actual injury, were so close together.
I should know, I'm a wrestler.
So is Chris Jericho. Read my signature for what Jericho says about Cena. And, I dare say Jericho is slightly more respected, well known and talented than you.
Psychology? Ok, again I'll say it again, I know the psychology of a match, telling a story bleh bleh. Hell I believed the rocks 'peoples elbow' was a credible move, umaga 'thumb to the neck' rubbish is a credible move, however the way Cena sells him fist to the face isn't credible, and it makes me laugh.
Could you please define what it is you think wrestling psychology is?
I also like how you say Umaga's "thumb to the neck rubbish is credible", which totally contradicts yourself when you say it's credible and rubbish in the same sentence. For the record, it's very credible.
I don't know, maybe you are a patriotic american who loves the loyality respect and hustle stuff, or maybe you are just a fan of Cena because you like him, I'm sure you are not the only person to like Cena, but again like I said I can't tell you, why you like him.
I can tell you why. Because he's damn good in the ring, highly entertaining, very professional, works his butt off in and out of the ring, and is a great role model.
Taking the title off Cena would have given Cena the chance to work for the title again, and most people will agree with me here, it's more entertaining to watch someone chasing the title, than to have them hold it for months and months and months and months...
Yes, but for someone to chase the title, they have to chase someone. And it's much more interesting to watch a wrestler chase a title off someone who has held it for months and months and months than someone who just gained the title. It makes the title win more meaningful.
So, to have someone seek the title and chase after it, you have to have someone to hold it. John Cena held it, and everyone kept watching to see if THIS time someone would finally trip him up. Which is why it makes great business sense to keep the title on Cena.
He had to go to Smackdown because Cena wouldn't lose to him, which he should because everyone has to lose eventually, why not be a better guy and put Edge over on Raw, so he didn't have to go over to Smackdown? But perhaps you are right, at least on Smackdown Edge got his rightful place at the top, because Cena wouldn't give it up on Raw.
No offense, but this is completely stupid, and for a couple of reasons. 1) Cena did lose to Edge. He lost to him at Summerslam. 2) If Cena would have lost he would have had to go to Smackdown. That was the stipulation, remember? One got the title, the other left for Smackdown. Cena is the bigger draw so THE WWE DECIDED that Cena would win.
You do realize that Cena doesn't book the matches, correct? He has no control over who wins.
Edge is a talented wrestler, more so than Cena, his gimmick is more entertaining than Cena's. Just my opinion, and I'm sure I'm not alone in sharing that one.
Take away his gimmick matches, and show me three good Edge matches that show that Edge is a good wrestler.
Right if you think Cena moved HBK around in that match, just watch it again, thats all I am saying, and if anyone dares to say Cena is better than HBK in any way, they must be sadly blinded by Cena.
I watched it last night, and before I posted. Maybe you should watch it again?
The only reason that match took place was because that match should have been the one that happened at Wrestlemania.
Oh really. You must be privy to inside information that no one else is? Because I could have swore that all the stories going around at the time were that Orton's being sent home is what caused the drastic change in plans, and not a random rematch. But, you are a wrestler, so clearly you know more.
In my opinion being made to tap out (to a move Cena against doesn't sell at all well) is less dignified than losing in a pin fall.
Exactly how does Cena not apply the STFU well? Do you even know what move he is applying?
And, a loss is a loss, whether it's a tapout or a pin.
but you are talking about Khali.
Which only makes it all the more amazing Cena got the match out of him that he did.
Well like I said before if a child chooser a wrestler as role model, they need to look else where.
I would much rather have my child use Hulk Hogan or John Cena as a role model than Steve Austin, Allen Iverson, Kobe Bryant, Marilyn Manson, 50 Cent, Snoop Dog, or the countless other icons kids today use as role models. At least with Cena they are getting a positive one, who does the right thing.
I mean he doesn't get a full crowd response, where as huge faces in the past have, take for example The Rock, when he was face, you hardly ever heard a 'Rocky Sucks' chant.
You...you have to be kidding me...Wrestlemania 18? Summerslam 2004?
Did you really just say that?
If your going to bitch about Cena you need to be directing your bitching at the booking team, not Cena himself.
Bingo. Perfectly said.
