Nothing. They can cheer whoever the hell they want to cheer. Rather it be the Almighty God or the Legend Killer. Fan's make Vince the cash. So therefore they should get the right to cheer or boo or chant whatever they want. Cena is stale..People aren't starting to like it too much. He's loved some place and hated others. O Well.
By The Way. How do you know they were booing RKO for a stale moveset? (Yet he actually used more than 7 moves)
Orton's moveset is still stale and repetitive *shrugs*.
And, there is something wrong with booing heels and cheering the faces, when there is no reason to. If you are going to boo heels and cheer faces, why should the WWE even try to have dispositions? If they didn't have dispositions then everyone has the same boring, bland character, and storylines are pointless. Booing the heel, simply to show "smarkdom" is harmful to the business.
I try
Before I get onto Cena I just want to say that Mysterio absoloutely sucks, why the fuck does everyone like him? Because he is short? Because he was Eddie Gurrero's friend? Its fucking stupid he can't work for shit, all he does is his stupid acrobatics, someone tell him to go to the fucking circus the freak.
If you actually understood what professional wrestling was really about, you'd understand why this statement is so incredibly bad, it's funny.
They should have had Chavo win because he is such a hard worker but they let Rey win because all the stupid mexicans buy his merchandise.
Hahahahaha, like Eternal Dragon said, ignorant and racist. Not to mention Chavo is Hispanic as well....
Will someone though please shoot the Great Khali, he's just sooo annoying to watch, I hate Cena and am not a fan of Batista but for once it wasn't Batista fault. Khali/Batista was the worse match i have ever seen i think, it was worse than the diva battle royale for christs sake.
Which just proves how good Cena is that he got two watchable matches out of Khali.
Then you have guys who actualy are talented in which Cena gets CARRIED I know you can't take it Slyfox but its true listen to what other people are telling you, HE GETS CARRIED- Orton, HBK, HHH, Edge saying any of those are not talented SLyfox is nieve even by your standards, I'm not a massive fan of any of them, they are ok but thats it, but they are talented and you implying they are not is making you look stupid.
Wait wait wait...you're saying I'm naive and claiming that Orton and Edge are good wrestlers in a strict 1-on-1 classic match setting? When has either of them had a good match in a classic 1-on-1 setting? Outside of their match with Cena, of course.
Then there are guys who are just shite and only get the honour of wrestling Cena because of their monster gimmick- Khali, Big Slow, Snitsky, Umaga. All of whom suck in the ring quite frankly, and Cena's matches with them? They absoloutely sucked, they were crap, nothing, waste of time, completely pointless matches, as their only aim was to make Cena look good and they didnt even really suceed in doing that.
Hahahahaha.
Cena vs. Umaga sucked? Do you even understand what it means to be a good match? Or do you just look and see which wrestlers everyone thinks are supposed to be good, and then assume that the matches are good because good wrestlers are in them?
Slyfox you can make all the excuses for Cena
It's not excuses, it's fact. The excuses are coming from your end by saying everyone and their mother have carried Cena to good matches. How incredibly naive of you to think that every single good match Cena has had was because of the other wrestler.
you want "Orton ran the offensive portion" Well its a bit coinsidental that against Angle, Jericho, Edge, HBK, HHH, etc. He didnt run the 'offensive portion' thats because he can't, thats because he's a shit wrestler, Cena sits back and lets the other guy beat him then does his stupid shoulder blocks, his punches, and clothelines every now and again until it is time for the moves of doom.
Hahahahaha. You're post continue to crack me up.
Cena didn't run the offense side of the match in his Raw match with HBK? Have you even seen it? I doubt it, otherwise you wouldn't be spouting such mindless garbage. Cena's matches with Edge were back and forth affairs, and his match with HHH was back and forth for the last half of the match.
Try watching the matches before you comment on them. You'll appear less ignorant.
"fans that complain about Cena's "repetitive and non-exsistant" move-set failed to notice that most of the offense from Orton yesterday at SS was sleeper holds (big surprise)."
Obviously that was because they wouldn't be so silly as to let Cena risk injury by letting Orton do anything other than minimum risk moves and Orton's signiture moves.
Then, they are making sure none of their other risk injuries as well, because it was the same moves Orton always does in every match.
What are you even talking about?
Youstupid Cena huggers are starting to annoy me more than Cena himself.
Hahahahahahaha
Cena huggers. That's awesome.
Your all totally unaware that Cena is not that good in the ring,
Yeah, except we have numerous good matches by Cena to back our position.
Your position is that everyone in the WWE can carry a great match except Cena. Who really appears more unaware?
What is it that makes Cena so special in your eyes
How about the numerous good matches he's had?
Therefore it must be that you have been so hooked by Vince's marketing of this guy that your obsessed with him, its like you've all been hypnotised!
I would argue that you've become blinded by your so-called "smarkdom" that reinforces false notions of workrate and the belief that number of moves equals a better wrestler. Your smarkdom also leads you to believe that any power wrestler must automatically suck, technical wrestling is the only respectable style of wrestling, and anyone who is the top guy in a major fed must suck.
Spare me this concept of "hooked by Vince's marketing". Get off the IWC hallucinogens.
I honestly think that Carlito grew tired of the fact that he was always being used as the comic routine. Carlito has talent, & his character could be that of a World Champion someday.. but the fact is, until he has someone to face him.. where he can showcase his talent.. he'll never be looked at, as anything more than a joke.. or a mid-carder. *** How does this involve Cena? Because Cena (in my opinion) can't carry a match. He has the heat on him from the crowd to electrify a match.. but much like Randy Orton, or a lot of other wrestlers.. he has basic moves that become stale & are constantly relied on, over & over.
There for the longest time, Carlito (& Shelton Benjamin) were bringing new moves to their matches.. but they went un-noticed, & it could very well be a fact that McMahon or any number of creative members are telling these guys NOT to OVER SHINE John Cena during matches with him.. cause Cena has been made their star.. not a guy with big hair, or a 5 star calibar superstar.
Regarding Shelton Benjamin.. he broke out into single's stardom agianst Triple H. & truly never got a huge push. He had a great Intercontinental Championship run, that went longer than even Orton's.. which in turn went longer than anyone in like what.. 4 plus years? But Benjamin never got the chance to improve to the next (Main Event) level, because stars like John Cena would look pale in comparsion. Benjamin could wrestle circles around Cena.. & thats not me disliking Cena.. because he CAN wrestle.. thats just me saying Benjamin is that much BETTER than Cena, as a wrestler.. not a performer.
And that, my friend.. is the number one thing that has Cena in the Main Event.. & Benjamin looking like sisqo.. the fact that Benjamin has NO character.. his best character push came from having a fat lady in a wheelchair as his Mom.. pathetic. If fans truly loved the sport for the moves & athletic ability.. Benjamin, Morrison, & Carlito would all be dominating the John Cena's of the business.
Precisely?
How does that not show that professional wrestling is not about moves and athleticism? Professional wrestling is about theater, drama, pageantry. I can go out in my backyard right now, do a couple of flips and lock in 25 different moves and holds.
But who gives a damn?
Pro wrestling is about more than just moves and athleticism. It's about workrate (real workrate, not smark definition of workrate), it's about storytelling, it's about pagenatry. The best wrestlers know how to present all of those in entertaining fashion on a long term basis.
Which is why Cena is on top of the wrestling world.
This is the match that all of you Cena supporters on this site should hate and should watch, because it proves everything that has been said negatively about Cena's in ring ability! He can't wrestle!
How is arguably the best match of the night, and one of the better ones in Orton's career, proof of Cena's bad ability? That's just silly.
I COMPLETELY AGREE, 100%!!!! John Cena is
NOT on the same level as Hulk Hogan. He's dwarfed that level & has shot further passed Hogan, than anyone could've ever thought possible! As far as Hogan's move-set being compared to Cena.. look, I'll bad mouth Cena to wrestling's technical greats like Kurt Angle, Chris Benoit, Shelton Benjamin, & Bret Hart.. but Hogan!?
You have GOT to be kidding. Lets run through this, shall we? Hogan = punches, chops, lift-up poses, bodyslams, taking an ass-beating than completely ruining wrestling by no selling ANYTHING, irish-whip, big boot, leg drop. 20 minute post-match pose down..
Now then, I'm pretty sure I've missed something, maybe a sleeper hold? But don't EVER compare John Cena to Hulk Hogan in saying Hogan is far superior.. Cena's move-set may not be anything special.. but at least he's got a better variety than the Great Khali!
And yes, that was a 'shot' at Hogan, comparing the "Almighty one" to Khali. Oh, I went there.. hahahaha John Cena sucks, but I'd pick a match with him in it, over a match with 'Mr. No-Sell' anyday!
I'll defend and support John Cena as much, if not more, than anyone, but to say Cena is on Hogan's level, in any way shape or form, is absolutely preposterous.
Hogan is the greatest professional wrestler to ever live. He's the Babe Ruth of wrestling, the Michael Jordan of Sports-Entertainment. No one, not even Stone Cold Steve Austin, can compare to Hogan.
1. Picking up Khali and Big Show is impressive, but the selling of the FU is on person who receives it, not Cena. The FU to bigger guys is properly done when Cena turns them over to slam them, they have to tuck their head down and allow their back to hit the mat, so in all essence it's a front somersault. Cena's part is to drop to his knees to make it look more powerful. Same with anyone that's ever been FU'ed. The selling is all on who takes the FU. All Cena does is lift em and fall to his knees. And of course the FU is gonna look devastating when he does it to guys who are over 400+ lbs...they're fuckin heavy. Not to mention that Cena FU'ed Khali off a fuckin crane. If someone threw you off a crane...yeah, let's just end it right there.
Oh I get it. When Cena does an FU, it only looks good because other people sell it well.
But, when Cena sells and makes all of his opponents look good, that's because he sucks.
Double standard much?
3. The STFU is supposed to be a step over toehold sleeper. Not a step over toehold CHINLOCK. Maybe Cena needs to learn how to uh...apply a sleeper hold? Maybe he just shouldn't use submissions period?
Do you even know what a sleeper is?
Educate yourself my son...then come back and try justifying the FU/STFU as being "powerful/adequate finishers."
Hahahaha...ahh, the irony.
Since you seem unable to grasp simple arguments and all seem to be a little confussed i will give you a brief history lesson of John Cena as champion so even you people with brains the size of a grape can understand.
Flame-bait much?
I also like you mention that Cena supporters are unable to grasp simple arguments, and yet refuse to admit the evidence of all the good Cena matches.
Can you say hypocrisy?
At Wrestlemania 23 John Cena started a tyrany defeating JBL for the WWE championship. Although pushed relentlessly by the WWE marketing team, superstars such as Christian and Y2J became more popular as the feuded with the champion. Even at this early point in the reign of Cena fans turned on him, partly because he sucked in the ring, but partly because they resented the fact that Jericho and Christian (two wrestlers who weren't given the chance to run with the company despite been 2 of the most loyal, charismatic and hard working in-ring competitors in recent years.) had been sacrificed to further the overated champion. With Christian and Jericho, two major threats to Cena's popularity out of the way the WWe though they would use Kurt Angle to make Cena look better in the ring. This backfired massively however fans generally sided with Angle because he was a great wrestler, had the charisma and mic-skills, and did not need the use of a cheap gimmick, or constant marketing tools by the WWe to cover up his crap in ring skills (Cena). Cena FINALLY relinqushed the WWE title at New years revolution 2006, but not before been made to look super human by defeating 5 wrestlers in a elimination chamber. Edge took the title but was only given a 30 day title run, before Cena was gifted the belt at the Royal Rumble. His second reign comming so soon after his first was farsical, and the fans who were already moderatley anti-Cena turned on him in favour of HHH. Cena defeated HHH to a rapture of boo's and Cena was becomming a bit of a standing joke as WWE champion. At Vengenace Cena defeated not only HHH, but Edge as well in a triple threat match, and at this moment in time fans had turned on Cena completely. The decision was made to allow RVD to cash in his money in the bank as it would take the heat off Cena and help establish ECW. Cena was anhiliated by ECW's core fan base at one night stand where RVD won the title. EDge however would win the title from RVd and Cena in a triple threat match, and only Cena's second major PPV loss in over a year would occur at summerslam. At Unforgiven in Toronto in 2006, John Cena restarted where he left off by resuming the most boring title reign in WWE history, John Cena would then defeat the Big show by FU-ing him, suposidley Cena was now super human and rarely defended his title as the WWE did not want him to accumulate heat from fans again instead he competited in tag team matches at PPV's. The superman Cena storyline was extended to bring in Umaga, Cena defeated Umaga at the first two PPV's of 2007, fans seemed to like the new Cena who was given less Tv time, and was now no longer the worse wrestler in the title picture. When HBK became his number 1 contender though the fans turned on him again in the most part, they had seen enough of Cena and it didnt matter who took the title from him, he was also undoubtadly helped by the dx storyline giving him momentum to propel him into the title picture. Cena defeated HBK at wrestlemania, before going on to have a boring feud with Khali that no1 really cares about. AFter that he defeated Lashley who Vince had been pushing for months, and fed him to Cena in a desperate attempt to make Cena popular. Next Cena defeated 4 former champions at Vengenace orton was given a push and became no. 1 contender, people had high hopes that finally Cena would not be shoved down our thorats anymore but Cena proved again that he is 'superman'. As of writing this Cena has defeated- Jericho, HHH, HBK, Kurt Angle, Edge, Christian, RVD, Booker T, Mick Foley, JBL, and Orton (and some crap guys) in championship matches. The last wrestler who was not one of these forementioned wrestlers to carry a world championship on RAw was Chris Benoit in 2004. What a joke.
Hahahaha
At least you provided an unbiased and objective post.
I'm not going to go through and note all the incredible slant and inaccuracies in your statement. 1) Because I already have before and 2) It's not worth my time any more.
pfft whatever, click on search thread and search everything i have said because i have given my argument to 1) why Cena is a crap wrestler, 2) why he sucks on the mic/is boring, and 3) why he should not be champion. I am not going over myself over and over for this "15 year old" who is very keen to point out flaws in everyone elses arguments however trivial i.e. punctuation. But offers little more explanation to her theories other than "You can call him overrated all you want, but again that doesn't mean he's a bad wrestler. All it means is that Cena is good enough to overrate." If he was that good people wouldn't boo him pronto.
Why should she continue to state her position when she has given her argument to 1)Why Cena is a good wrestler, 2) Why Cena is entertaining on the mic, and 3) Why it is he IS champion?
Again, hypocrisy is the word that comes to mind...
Im going to stop now before i get done for flaming..
Actually, you should stop, because it's obvious you don't even watch the matches you are commenting on, and if you do, you do with such an un-objective slant and bias that it is impossible to take you seriously.
On a side note, would someone care to explain to me how it is Orton has never had any spectacular matches to his name while Cena has numerous high quality matches under his belt, but when Orton's match with Cena turned out to be pretty good, it's because Orton carried Cena?
Would someone care to explain to me how that makes any sense what so ever?
