[Official] John Cena Thread

[Lee]

Ok the following makes an interesting read it's from the wwe site...

Watching John Cena in the ring Monday night was like seeing a time bomb tick away and then explode. But is his career about to self-destruct?

The WWE Champion’s face reddened and trembled with rage after Raw General Manager William Regal announced that he would face Randy Orton, the man who put his father in the hospital, in a rematch for the title at Unforgiven on Sept. 16. As Cena advanced on him, Regal warned, “Don’t do anything foolish. Need I remind you who I am?”

But Cena would not be deterred. After initially pausing, he pounced on Regal and clamped the STFU on the Brit. Cena’s frustration and outrage over his now-personal war with Orton is understandable. But has the Legend Killer driven him so over the edge that he isn’t thinking clearly? Will the WWE Champion’s rage cause him to do something he will later regret?

Cena could face severe repercussions for putting his hands on a WWE official. In other sports, athletes have been fined thousands of dollars, suspended or banned for physical confrontations with officials. If Cena continues down this path, he may be forced to face similar consequences.

If he’s lucky, Cena will join the list of other prominent sports figures that thumbed their noses at authority but were able to weather the storm:

* Four-time NBA All-Star Latrell Sprewell. In 1997, the then-Golden State Warrior got into an argument with head coach P.J. Carlesimo during practice and began choking his coach until teammates pulled him off.

As a result of the rage, the Warriors cut Sprewell and the NBA suspended him for the season. It looked as if his career had flat-lined, but he was signed the following year by the New York Knicks. He went on to help lead the team to the playoffs and endeared himself to the notoriously moody New York fans.

* In the late ‘70s, the phrase “You cannot be serious!” reverberated throughout tennis courts thanks to legendary player John McEnroe. The tennis prodigy fueled his notorious reputation by yelling at umpires who made calls against him, leading the British press to dub him “Superbrat.”

But McEnroe’s on-court tirades didn’t stop him from having a Hall of Fame career. Though his tantrums generated the most headlines, he won seven Grand Slam singles titles – three at Wimbledon and four at the U.S. Open – and was inducted into the International Tennis Hall of Fame in 1999. As McEnroe’s temper has mellowed over the years, he has enjoyed a resurgence in popularity and today is hailed as one of tennis’ most esteemed ambassadors.

* Possessing a McMahonian-like short fuse, former University of Indiana basketball coach Bobby Knight is famous for his hot-blooded outbursts, including tossing a chair across the court during a game.

The final straw for Knight came in 2000 after he was accused of assaulting a UI student. The most successful coach in NCAA history was quickly relieved of his duties. Knight took the next season off and then took a head coaching job at Texas Tech, where he has improved their program and led the Red Raiders to post-season appearances in five out of his six seasons.

Or will Cena end up more like baseball’s Carl Everett? Everett was once one of the game’s top prospects, but his temper and penchant for controversy torpedoed his career. His temperament was just one reason he played for seven different teams in a 12-year period in the Major Leagues.

Everett’s best season was in 2000, when he belted a career-high 34 homers. But he struck out when he ran up against his own ego. During one game, umpire Ron Kulpa questioned the legality of Everett’s batting stance. Rather than reason with Kulpa, the combative slugger went nose to nose with the umpire and bumped him, earning him a 10-day suspension and engendering the scorn of Red Sox fans everywhere. Everett was never quite the same after that incident. Once one of baseball’s most promising prospects, Everett is now trying to resurrect his career as a member of the Long Island Ducks in the Atlantic League of Professional Baseball.

As John Cena moves forward after brutalizing William Regal, will he learn from the sports figures that preceded him? Or is he too blinded by rage? The WWE Champion now has a critical choice to make – get control of his anger or let his anger get control of him.

Now on top of what is apparently suggesting that Cena is going to get punished there is also a poll where currently 75% of 297,444 have voted for him to be stripped of the title. Now this to me seems the champ is losing his grip of the fans. Is the Regal attack a new lease of life for his somewhat stale character or was it a one off? What about the suspension/fired thing? And what about 75% of people voting for the title to be removed from him?

 

[Slyfox696]

Ok the following makes an interesting read it's from the wwe site...

I'll be honest, that cracked me up. It's talking about the fallout from Cena attacking a WWE official...

I guess we're just supposed to forget about that Steve Austin fellow.

Cracks me up.

Now on top of what is apparently suggesting that Cena is going to get punished there is also a poll where currently 75% of 297,444 have voted for him to be stripped of the title. Now this to me seems the champ is losing his grip of the fans. Is the Regal attack a new lease of life for his somewhat stale character or was it a one off? What about the suspension/fired thing? And what about 75% of people voting for the title to be removed from him?

Well, you should know that WWE polls are a joke. Because, one person can sit on there and vote for hours and rack up enormous votes. If I wanted to stay up all night, I could get those votes probably close to 50% in favor of "Do nothing". WWE Polls are a joke, because one person can vote as many times as they want.

And, again, this is not a new character direction for Cena. This is sort of the direction they've been going for a while. Cena has had an edge about him for a while. I noted it way back the week before Great American Bash how Cena was starting to lose the always humble, goody two-shoes character, and transform into something a little meaner, and a little edgier.

I've been saying that for months.

 

[Lil Wes]

I'll be honest, that cracked me up. It's talking about the fallout from Cena attacking a WWE official...

I look at it as playing the same old bullshit. "Orton is getting into the head of Cena only for Cena to lose it but yet will overcome all odds at UFG"

Well, you should know that WWE polls are a joke. Because, one person can sit on there and vote for hours and rack up enormous votes. If I wanted to stay up all night, I could get those votes probably close to 50% in favor of "Do nothing". WWE Polls are a joke, because one person can vote as many times as they want.

Hmmm. So your going to completely dismiss the fact that fans are tired of John Cena as Champion? WWE polls maybe a joke but when you have near a quarter million votes. I'm not so sure..

Same with the "What is your favorite moment from UFG 2006" Fucking Trish outvoted Cena.

And, again, this is not a new character direction for Cena. This is sort of the direction they've been going for a while.

Not really. I've just been seeing the same Ol Johnny Boy. During his Lashley feud he had a different feel to him though but that has been long gone until Last Monday.

Cena has had an edge about him for a while. I noted it way back the week before Great American Bash how Cena was starting to lose the always humble, goody two-shoes character, and transform into something a little meaner, and a little edgier.

Well he didn't after SummerSlam. He was right back into "The Champ is Still Here" crap. I'm not so sure a character change would work right now anyways. People will despise him no matter what as long as he has that title around his waste.....Or shoulder....Whatever.

 

[Lee]

Hmmm. So your going to completely dismiss the fact that fans are tired of John Cena as Champion? WWE polls maybe a joke but when you have near a quarter million votes. I'm not so sure..

Agreed...it's now 76% with over 300,000 votes

Well he didn't after SummerSlam. He was right back into "The Champ is Still Here" crap. I'm not so sure a character change would work right now anyways. People will despise him no matter what as long as he has that title around his waste.....Or shoulder....Whatever.

If peopel are going to despise him they may as well make him heel, am sure he pissed off the entire UK by attacking Regal and I heard the boos at Raw. Hopefully this will stay with him as it would live up to the fact he's meant to be a brawler so it's about time he acted like one!

 

[Slyfox696]

I look at it as playing the same old bullshit. "Orton is getting into the head of Cena only for Cena to lose it but yet will overcome all odds at UFG"

Yes, but you only say that because you are on the Internet, and you know all the circumstances surrounding the WWE right now.

You can't let that affect your decision. I mean, most people were convinced that Orton would win at Summerslam, and he didn't. If not for the steroid list, I see no way that Orton would NOT have won at Unforgiven. But, again, Randy Orton costs himself.

Hmmm. So your going to completely dismiss the fact that fans are tired of John Cena as Champion?

If they were, ratings would be dropping, and Cena would not be in the highest drawing rated segments on Raw.

Obviously, there are some fans who don't feel the same way.

WWE polls maybe a joke but when you have near a quarter million votes. I'm not so sure..

Again, the polling system is a joke. I can go on there right now and vote 1000 times in probably 30 minutes. You get 5 people doing that for an hour and you are looking at a substantial number of votes. Now, how many people do you think visit the WWE website each day?

Until the WWE introduces a polling system which only allows one vote per computer, every single one of their polls will be a joke.

I remember a poll asking "Who has the biggest ego?" and I single-handedly took Vince McMahon from 37% to 54%. And, that was with over 100,000 votes already in the system.

It's not hard to manipulate those polls, which is my point.

Not really. I've just been seeing the same Ol Johnny Boy. During his Lashley feud he had a different feel to him though but that has been long gone until Last Monday.

How about when he just toyed around with Carlito on Raw (the one where Carlito beat him)? How was that not a different Cena? He did the same thing basically at SNME.

It's definitely a change in character.

Well he didn't after SummerSlam. He was right back into "The Champ is Still Here" crap.

Yes, but instead of "taking challenges from all comers", he turned down Orton's request because he thought Triple H would be a better match.

Meaning, he felt Orton wasn't a worthy opponent. Even a Cena hater can see the difference between that and the Cena that took on all challenges.

I'm not so sure a character change would work right now anyways. People will despise him no matter what as long as he has that title around his waste.....Or shoulder....Whatever.

Which just amazes me. People CLAIM they only care about good wrestling and quality entertainment. And yet, a prop for an entertainment show determines how "good" something is in their mind.

Does that seem silly to anyone else? Who cares who has the belt or for how long? The important thing is that the WWE do what's best to provide the maximum amount of entertainment, short and long term, for their fans.

 

[Eternal Dragon]

Hmmm. So your going to completely dismiss the fact that fans are tired of John Cena as Champion? WWE polls maybe a joke but when you have near a quarter million votes. I'm not so sure..

Same with the "What is your favorite moment from UFG 2006" Fucking Trish outvoted Cena.

Oh please tell me you don't pay attention to WWE Polls. They are so unreliable, it's not even funny. Results can change like that if a person votes enough. And I guess someone did.

Same goes for the "Favorite Moment of UFG." You shouldn't be surprised that Trish won... it was her last match and all, and she did win the match. Pretty big moment.

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Dragon

 

[Lil Wes]

Oh please tell me you don't pay attention to WWE Polls. They are so unreliable, it's not even funny. Results can change like that if a person votes enough. And I guess someone did.

Same goes for the "Favorite Moment of UFG." You shouldn't be surprised that Trish won... it was her last match and all, and she did win the match. Pretty big moment.

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Dragon

I find it quite funny how Cena Marks will make up anything just to make Cena look good. O Yeah blame it on the polls alright...Hmmm...The Trish thing isn't all that "special" of a moment. Quite sad when a Women's Wrester out votes your ultimate babyface along with Vince getting his head shoved up Vince's Ass.

Either way, Cena Marks can say what they want but if you look at it now. PPV Buyrates and Revenue are going down, Fans continue to boo him,His character is stale...blah blah blah you have heard it before.

You still cannot dismiss the fact that people are losing interest.

Go anywhere find me a poll where you get 1 vote that has to do with John Cena being a good champion or something of the matter. Bring it here. I'll believe it when I see it.

 

[Eternal Dragon]

I find it quite funny how Cena Marks will make up anything just to make Cena look good. O Yeah blame it on the polls alright...Hmmm...The Trish thing isn't all that "special" of a moment. Quite sad when a Women's Wrester out votes your ultimate babyface along with Vince getting his head shoved up Vince's Ass.

Either way, Cena Marks can say what they want but if you look at it now. PPV Buyrates and Revenue are going down, Fans continue to boo him,His character is stale...blah blah blah you have heard it before.

You still cannot dismiss the fact that people are losing interest.

Go anywhere find me a poll where you get 1 vote that has to do with John Cena being a good champion or something of the matter. Bring it here. I'll believe it when I see it.

Isn't it funny that fans who dislike Cena (I could say haters, but I hate that word) will make such little things like polls such a big deal just because it concerns Cena. I didn't see anyone making up anything about the polls. You can vote as many times as you want, so obviously it's not a trustworthy poll. Making up something would be like if I said "the devil wants Cena stripped of the title, that's why the poll is like that." And of course, no one said that. Trish leaving, after 7 years, in her home town, winning the title isn't a special moment? Say what? Just because Trish was a Women's wrestler, doesn't make it pathetic that she outvoted Cena. Be careful with the word choice there. Again, it doesn't make a lot of sense to bring up a poll that was used a year ago on WWE.com I don't want to get off topic though, so let's continue.

PPV Buy rates and revenue are going down eh? Well gee golly I had no idea!! That must make Cena just totally worthless then!!! Of course all the controversy that's surrounded the WWE this summer has probably nothing to do with that!

People are losing interest? Pfft puh-lease! If people were losing interest I wouldn't be here replying to your post, and you wouldn't have posted at all. It is because people are interested in Cena that this thread is 115 pages, it is because people are interested in Cena that the crowd goes wild everytime he comes out, boos or cheers, it is because people are interested in Cena that he is champion (well one of the many reason) right now. Now we could say that people have lost interest in Charlie Haas- that'd be correct.

The poll thing again? Who really cares? Polls are the last place you should look to draw your facts about John Cena.

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Dragon

 

[da mayne 1]

the way i feel about john cena is exactly how you feel there are a buch of talented people in the wwe but they will never get there time b cuz of that non wrestling piece of trash, where is stone cold and the rock when you need them.

 

[a7xoff]

A few people have said this before, but I'm going to say it too. WWE polls are very unreliable. Like Sly said you get five people sitting there for an hour and you got yourself a hefty amount of votes there. Now I'm not ruling out the fact that that many people could vote that, but it just seems to me that Cena has way more fans that want him to keep the belt then to allow such a landslide poll. I duno I could be wrong, but it just seems strange to me.

 

[RatedR_HBK11]

Isn't it funny that fans who dislike Cena (I could say haters, but I hate that word) will make such little things like polls such a big deal just because it concerns Cena. I didn't see anyone making up anything about the polls. You can vote as many times as you want, so obviously it's not a trustworthy poll. Making up something would be like if I said "the devil wants Cena stripped of the title, that's why the poll is like that." And of course, no one said that. Trish leaving, after 7 years, in her home town, winning the title isn't a special moment? Say what? Just because Trish was a Women's wrestler, doesn't make it pathetic that she outvoted Cena. Be careful with the word choice there. Again, it doesn't make a lot of sense to bring up a poll that was used a year ago on WWE.com I don't want to get off topic though, so let's continue.

PPV Buy rates and revenue are going down eh? Well gee golly I had no idea!! That must make Cena just totally worthless then!!! Of course all the controversy that's surrounded the WWE this summer has probably nothing to do with that!

People are losing interest? Pfft puh-lease! If people were losing interest I wouldn't be here replying to your post, and you wouldn't have posted at all. It is because people are interested in Cena that this thread is 115 pages, it is because people are interested in Cena that the crowd goes wild everytime he comes out, boos or cheers, it is because people are interested in Cena that he is champion (well one of the many reason) right now. Now we could say that people have lost interest in Charlie Haas- that'd be correct.

The poll thing again? Who really cares? Polls are the last place you should look to draw your facts about John Cena.

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Dragon

See...now I'm kinda caught between you and Wes. I do not like Cena, but I don't completely go without saying that I was once a Cena-mark. Yes, I'm sure everyone was. Although, that was at the time where he was getting whipped by Jesus, Carlito, Orlando Jones, and Co. Cena seemed much more...realistic back then. His rapper gimmick, plus his heel turn, while still fresh, provided Cena with a great fan base and great entertainment. I stopped watching wrestling for a short time period from just after WM 21 to NYR07, and it's pretty apparent that from March '05 to January '07, Cena's fan base is indeed growing thin. I'm a grown man, and I liked Cena just 2 years ago, so the idea that Cena pulls in mostly kids and women (although girls on our campus went NUTS when they heard Cena's name) isn't totally relevant, but has been the trend.


I didn't see Unforgiven '06, but I do know what happened. And if Trish winning the Women's Title in her hometown in her last match is bigger than Cena's win in his 1st TLC match for the WWE title against the hometown hero Edge, then I dunno...that would be a close one. Make a real poll and find out what it may say. I would think that Cena's win would be the most memorable.


Also, watch your tongue...people really ARE are losing interest. The general movement of the PPV buyrates tends to have the year '05 with better buyrates as opposed to '06, with the exception of a few PPVs. '04 was just plain awful with PPV buyrates, and some of the PPVs listed this year are worse off then '06, again with the exception of a few PPVs. But PPVs such as the Royal Rumble, SummerSlam...PPVs that are respectively the 3rd and 2nd biggest of the year...have poorer buyrates this year as opposed to last year's, or even '05 (According to the site I checked, the Royal Rumble brought in 1.25 for 2007 or 500,000 households as 1.0 equals 400,000. That number is down from 1.31. SummerSlam brought in about 1.28 in '07, down from 1.35 in '06.) This isn't even mentioning the 4th of the big 4 PPVs in Survivor Series, hasn't drawn 400,000 buyers since...2001. Sad, huh?


If the controversy from the summer had something to do with this, then why have buyrates been steadily decreasing since about....oh October of 2006, sans WM 23? The summer did that, right? The summer of '07 affected October of '06, right? Heheheh...


I'm sure you heard that crowd from Summerslam. The crowd that is desperately reaching out to Vinny Mac to tell him how they feel about Cena. The fact that on the show where he's the champ and is supposed to be the uber-face, he gets half the crowd chanting that he sucks when he makes an appearance. Regardless of the attention he's getting, it's not the kind of attention he wants, thus Vince is pretty much failing at his job. I know you can't get EVERYONE to like someone, but you can at least not get people to purposely hate someone.


I don't know if you seriously think the boos from the crowd are people showing an interest in Cena as champ, but from someone who dislikes Cena, I can tell you it's because I'm un-interested in seeing him, period. Those boos are because we're sick of him, those cheers are from people who SEEM TO love being force-fed, it seems. I don't find it odd that you have to force-feed kids, though.

So yeah, you're right in a way, but with the proof in the pudding (or the e-pudding, should I say,) you can't really place the blame on this summer's madness when last year and just this past winter had absolutely nothing to do with this summer. I guess you could try with the most recent PPVs, but that doesn't credit the other 7 months you missed.

 

[Lee]

A few people have said this before, but I'm going to say it too. WWE polls are very unreliable. Like Sly said you get five people sitting there for an hour and you got yourself a hefty amount of votes there. Now I'm not ruling out the fact that that many people could vote that, but it just seems to me that Cena has way more fans that want him to keep the belt then to allow such a landslide poll. I duno I could be wrong, but it just seems strange to me.

SO what about this poll? 55% are against Cena in this poll, it seems a pick and choose with what stats you want. People have voted against Cena which goes with the boos I heard at SummerSlam an on Raw...the champ has lost it.

 

[watchingandwaiting]

SO what about this poll? 55% are against Cena in this poll, it seems a pick and choose with what stats you want. People have voted against Cena which goes with the boos I heard at SummerSlam an on Raw...the champ has lost it.

I'm still a fan of Cena as champ, but if given those 4 choices I'd vote for him to be stripped of the title too.. Why? Because the other 3 are BORING in terms of storyline... "Do nothing" pretends the attack never happened, making it a dead-end storyline. "Fire/Suspend" either takes him off TV..and taking one of, if not the, biggest draw WWE currently has off TV doesn't make any sense, especially given the timing. The other possibility for the "Fire/Suspend" choices is that Vince will do one thing and then another McMahon will bring him back...which would be a nicely recycled storyline, but also get Cena caught up in the whole battle of the McMahons/illegit son storyline. This would take the focus off the Orton/Cena storyline which IMO is a bad idea since its supposed to be the most intense feud going right now. So really this WWE.com poll isn't really saying anything negative about Cena's popularity as a champ, but rather that people want him to continue to be on TV in a storyline that is starting to rise in intensity.

Now obviously that is just one interpretation of many for this poll. The point I'm trying to make is that, with a little imagination, you can spin the results of a poll to mean pretty much whatever you want them to mean. That, in addition to ballot-stuffing, is why I don't put much faith into poll questions that deal with scenarios.

 

[dcdude]

hey do wwe even see the final results of the polls because if the do they don't care about them so i've stopped voting but i'd preferer cena to keep the title and just lose it to orton who then loses it t hh and we could make a good storyline outta it

 

[Lee]

I'm still a fan of Cena as champ, but if given those 4 choices I'd vote for him to be stripped of the title too.. Why? Because the other 3 are BORING in terms of storyline... "Do nothing" pretends the attack never happened, making it a dead-end storyline. "Fire/Suspend" either takes him off TV..and taking one of, if not the, biggest draw WWE currently has off TV doesn't make any sense, especially given the timing. The other possibility for the "Fire/Suspend" choices is that Vince will do one thing and then another McMahon will bring him back...which would be a nicely recycled storyline, but also get Cena caught up in the whole battle of the McMahons/illegit son storyline. This would take the focus off the Orton/Cena storyline which IMO is a bad idea since its supposed to be the most intense feud going right now. So really this WWE.com poll isn't really saying anything negative about Cena's popularity as a champ, but rather that people want him to continue to be on TV in a storyline that is starting to rise in intensity.

Now obviously that is just one interpretation of many for this poll. The point I'm trying to make is that, with a little imagination, you can spin the results of a poll to mean pretty much whatever you want them to mean. That, in addition to ballot-stuffing, is why I don't put much faith into poll questions that deal with scenarios.

I'm now talking about the poll in this thread...most people are ignoring the wwe poll and that's fair enough but someone suggested that we do a poll and we have with the majority against Cena. Now people seem to be missing where I was going with posting the arguments. It's tying with the possibility of him having time off, which most of us know will be happening soon with his film roll coming up. I was trying to get a discussion going as to whether he will be 'suspended'/fired and lets say he was suspended for 30 days say I'm sure people would think he's related to the steroid scandal. Now I have seen what Cena's capable of in the ring, but haven't really seen it for two years (save the odd match, and he's not the only person I feel like this about, HBK and Benjamin are two others) and I think a period off for Cena would be good for everyone. It would take him from being pushed down our throats and could be used to overhaul his character and he can hopefully get back to wrestling teh way he used to (against Angle for example)

 

[watchingandwaiting]

I'm now talking about the poll in this thread...most people are ignoring the wwe poll and that's fair enough but someone suggested that we do a poll and we have with the majority against Cena. Now people seem to be missing where I was going with posting the arguments. It's tying with the possibility of him having time off, which most of us know will be happening soon with his film roll coming up. I was trying to get a discussion going as to whether he will be 'suspended'/fired and lets say he was suspended for 30 days say I'm sure people would think he's related to the steroid scandal. Now I have seen what Cena's capable of in the ring, but haven't really seen it for two years (save the odd match, and he's not the only person I feel like this about, HBK and Benjamin are two others) and I think a period off for Cena would be good for everyone. It would take him from being pushed down our throats and could be used to overhaul his character and he can hopefully get back to wrestling teh way he used to (against Angle for example)

Sorry I totally missed the poll in this thread on Cena's "punishment" part of what you were saying. I think I just got distracted by the WWE poll in your sig. Anyway, to the discussion you wanted to start.. First, you are right that any "suspension/firing" that takes him off TV right now will cause him to be linked to the steroids investigation. I think that is the absolute worst thing that could happen since he's the face of the company. So far, he's been mentioned in none of the reports, so why tarnish him by doing anything that appears to link him to roids? Secondly, taking him off TV for that totally kills the angle involving Orton and his father... The momentum of this feud is still increasing to what hopefully will be the blow-off match (for now) at Unforgiven. To de-rail that would hurt Orton by denying him the rub of beating Cena (assuming that he wins). If Cena is gonna get any time off for the movie, it should come as a result of either the actions of Orton, or of whoever ends up being McMahon's son (remember Cena slapped McMahon a few weeks ago...good set up for a revenge angle). My personal preference would be for McMahon's son to take him out as Orton gets enough of a rub winning the title and it sets up two possible feuds for Cena upon his return. As for his "punishment".. I think it'll end up being a gauntlet match of some kind.. something that will either let him bury a bunch of jobbers to gain more momentum going into Unforgiven, or something that will set up a potential injury angle to explain a loss at Unforgiven.

Hopefully this is more in line with what you wanted discussion to be centered around.

 

[Lil Wes]

Isn't it funny that fans who dislike Cena (I could say haters, but I hate that word) will make such little things like polls such a big deal just because it concerns Cena.

Not really. It's showing that fans are losing interest in John Cena. I have rarely been to a forum that was Pro-Cena. Give me the "smark" shit all you want.

But I guess that means the arena's are sold out with smarks these days?

And of course, no one said that. Trish leaving, after 7 years, in her home town, winning the title isn't a special moment? Say what?

I guess. The Women's Division is the least cared about in the WWE. I quite frankly could give a rat's ass who hold that belt these days or last year. The WWE has ruined it.

Just because Trish was a Women's wrestler, doesn't make it pathetic that she outvoted Cena.

In a way it is. It's shows people wanted Edge to have the run. The shame part is Vince getting his head shoved up Big Show's ass. When that outvotes your ultimate babyface...That my friend is sad.

Be careful with the word choice there.

Why? Because I don't care about WWE Women's Wrestling anymore and would rather watch an Edge/Cena match before a Trish/Lita?

Again, it doesn't make a lot of sense to bring up a poll that was used a year ago on WWE.com I don't want to get off topic though, so let's continue.

It was put up there when the Unforgiven page for THIS year was.

PPV Buy rates and revenue are going down eh? Well gee golly I had no idea!! That must make Cena just totally worthless then!!!

In a way. He's the top dogg on the top show with the top main event. His main events should draw good buyrates. They haven't this year.

Of course all the controversy that's surrounded the WWE this summer has probably nothing to do with that!

Backlash,JD,ONS....

People are losing interest? Pfft puh-lease! If people were losing interest I wouldn't be here replying to your post, and you wouldn't have posted at all.

Once again you fail to understand the point. The interest of his stale title reign.

It is because people are interested in Cena that this thread is 115 pages, it is because people are interested in Cena that the crowd goes wild everytime he comes out, boos or cheers,

That has nothing to do with his title run................

it is because people are interested in Cena that he is champion (well one of the many reason) right now. Now we could say that people have lost interest in Charlie Haas- that'd be correct.

Charlie Haas is a Tag Team/Jobber. That makes alot of sense when Cena is main eventing for the better part of 3 years and Haas is tagging.....

The poll thing again? Who really cares? Polls are the last place you should look to draw your facts about John Cena.

The fact is. O Wait...You have already heard them. This guy is a god. Thank you Rated R HBK.

Also, watch your tongue...people really ARE are losing interest. The general movement of the PPV buyrates tends to have the year '05 with better buyrates as opposed to '06, with the exception of a few PPVs. '04 was just plain awful with PPV buyrates, and some of the PPVs listed this year are worse off then '06, again with the exception of a few PPVs. But PPVs such as the Royal Rumble, SummerSlam...PPVs that are respectively the 3rd and 2nd biggest of the year...have poorer buyrates this year as opposed to last year's, or even '05 (According to the site I checked, the Royal Rumble brought in 1.25 for 2007 or 500,000 households as 1.0 equals 400,000. That number is down from 1.31. SummerSlam brought in about 1.28 in '07, down from 1.35 in '06.) This isn't even mentioning the 4th of the big 4 PPVs in Survivor Series, hasn't drawn 400,000 buyers since...2001. Sad, huh?

He basically summed it up right there.

A few people have said this before, but I'm going to say it too. WWE polls are very unreliable. Like Sly said you get five people sitting there for an hour and you got yourself a hefty amount of votes there. Now I'm not ruling out the fact that that many people could vote that, but it just seems to me that Cena has way more fans that want him to keep the belt then to allow such a landslide poll. I duno I could be wrong, but it just seems strange to me.

That explains why he is being booed weekly?

That explains why at the past 3 PPV'S he has been getting non-stop heat(Ex Women & Kids)

That explains why buyrates and revenue on PPV's are tanking? I can't wait until I get the final number on the so called "Dream Match" of Lashley/Cena from what it has been reported at a few sites...It wasn't very good at all.

 

[Lee]

People are losing interest? Pfft puh-lease! If people were losing interest I wouldn't be here replying to your post, and you wouldn't have posted at all. It is because people are interested in Cena that this thread is 115 pages, it is because people are interested in Cena that the crowd goes wild everytime he comes out, boos or cheers, it is because people are interested in Cena that he is champion (well one of the many reason) right now. Now we could say that people have lost interest in Charlie Haas- that'd be correct.

Like wes pointed out not many people care for Charlie Haas. And it's quite clear that from the shows that I've watched recently people are getting sick of Cena. I'm sure I'm not the only one that hears him getting booed, and booing to me means you're not happy with something, it means you don't like it. People booing cena=people don't like him. The thread's 115 pages long fair enough but there's probably only about 5 regular posters in it and it picks up after every new controversy, also most of the arguments are the same, Cena's brilliant athletically, no he has 5 moves, yeah but he's still good. Cena used to be good, he hasn't shown what he's capable of for a while now. Khali's champion ar people interested in him...

 

[SinisterX3]

Ive been hoping for cena to lose the belt since he faced triple h at wrestlemania. I remember everyone thinking cena was gonna lose that match, but he made hhh tap out. Here we are over a year later and he still has it. Him holding the belt this long is a joke. Thats why I despise John Cena along with his tired song, tired gimmick, tired move set and lame insults. I for one miss the word life character.

 

[Slyfox696]

Also, watch your tongue...people really ARE are losing interest. The general movement of the PPV buyrates tends to have the year '05 with better buyrates as opposed to '06, with the exception of a few PPVs.

Yes, but it's not quite that bad. You have to remember that there was a 5 dollar price jump right before the ONS PPV in 2006, which drives PPV buyrates lower. However, PPV revenue has remained fairly constant. PPV business itself hasn't really gone down.

If you look at the PPVs in 2006 and compare to the ones in 2005 which have the same price (NYR through JD), and take out the PPVs that Cena was not apart of, the difference is about an average of 30,000 buys per PPV. When talking about an average buyrate of over 500,000 for the first half of the year in PPVs for Cena, 30,000 is not that big of a number.

Now, if you compare New Years Revolution through Judgement Day for 2007 against 2006, it actually did BETTER than the same PPVs from 2006, even WITH the price increase. Now, obviously, Wrestlemania was a major part of that, but, the fact remains that, even with a price increase, the PPV business did better than the year before for the first 6 PPVs of 2007.

But PPVs such as the Royal Rumble...have poorer buyrates this year as opposed to last year's,

That may be, but the revenue made from this years Royal Rumble as opposed to last year's was actually greater. So, they made more money from this year's PPV than last years.

So, really, the WWE came out ahead.

SummerSlam

Buyrate hasn't been released that I know of.

I would love a link to the actual buys.

This isn't even mentioning the 4th of the big 4 PPVs in Survivor Series, hasn't drawn 400,000 buyers since...2001. Sad, huh?

Well, 2006 Survivor Series did better than 2005. But, what IS sad is that Vengeance the last two years has done better or almost as well as Survivor Series.

then why have buyrates been steadily decreasing since about....oh October of 2006, sans WM 23?

The price increase from $34.95 to $39.95.

Not really. It's showing that fans are losing interest in John Cena. I have rarely been to a forum that was Pro-Cena. Give me the "smark" shit all you want.

I am on a forum where Pro-Cena is just as strong, if not stronger, than Anti-Cena.

And, no, it's not a John Cena forum

Why? Because I don't care about WWE Women's Wrestling anymore and would rather watch an Edge/Cena match before a Trish/Lita?

Because you are saying everyone does.

I agree with you, I am not a big fan of women's wrestling. But, Trish/Lita was a big match going into Unforgiven. There is no denying that. And, combine that with the fact it was Trish's last match, in her hometown, AND she won the title, it's not hard to understand why people would vote for it.

In a way. He's the top dogg on the top show with the top main event. His main events should draw good buyrates. They haven't this year.

That's really misleading. Only two PPVs this year have had a bad buyrate. Backlash and One Night Stand.

Backlash was a 4 way main-event. So, if Cena is going to get blamed for the bad number, so should Edge, Orton, and HBK. One Night Stand was just a case of "too many shows". It was the same card essentially as Judgement Day (which drew a very good buy) and it was only two weeks later. The show was doomed to fail before it began.

Does Cena deserve some of the blame for those shows tanking? Absolutely. He's champion, he's top dog. He has to shoulder some of the blame as well. But, again, there's a lot more that goes into it.

Backlash,JD,ONS....

I've explain Backlash and ONS, and Judgment Day did a very good buy rate for a "B" PPV.

Charlie Haas is a Tag Team/Jobber. That makes alot of sense when Cena is main eventing for the better part of 3 years and Haas is tagging.....

That's the point. If people had really lost interest in Cena, then he'd be getting Charlie Haas pops.

That explains why at the past 3 PPV'S he has been getting non-stop heat(Ex Women & Kids)

I don't know about Vengeance, but he was the crowd favorite at Great American Bash.

That explains why buyrates and revenue on PPV's are tanking? I can't wait until I get the final number on the so called "Dream Match" of Lashley/Cena from what it has been reported at a few sites...It wasn't very good at all.

230,000 buys is a solid number. 230,000 was the estimate for the buys for Great American Bash.

 

[Capt. Charisma]

hahahahahaha slyfox look even the cena marks on wwe.com want Cena to get rid of the title, you must be the only ****** in the world that wants Cena as chamipion:

Fire him 19.14 % 122096 Votes
Suspend him 10.27 % 65561 Votes
Strip him of the title 53.95 % 344149 Votes
He should not be punished 16.62 % 106065 Votes

Total Votes: 637871

 

[Slyfox696]

hahahahahaha slyfox look even the cena marks on wwe.com want Cena to get rid of the title, you must be the only ****** in the world that wants Cena as chamipion:

You sure do have a habit of flaming people...

Fire him 19.14 % 122096 Votes
Suspend him 10.27 % 65561 Votes
Strip him of the title 53.95 % 344149 Votes
He should not be punished 16.62 % 106065 Votes

Total Votes: 637871

You must have missed the discussion on the WWE poll. It's understandable. I mean, it was a full two pages back in this thread.

Here, I will help you.

Well, you should know that WWE polls are a joke. Because, one person can sit on there and vote for hours and rack up enormous votes. If I wanted to stay up all night, I could get those votes probably close to 50% in favor of "Do nothing". WWE Polls are a joke, because one person can vote as many times as they want.

Again, the polling system is a joke. I can go on there right now and vote 1000 times in probably 30 minutes. You get 5 people doing that for an hour and you are looking at a substantial number of votes. Now, how many people do you think visit the WWE website each day?

Until the WWE introduces a polling system which only allows one vote per computer, every single one of their polls will be a joke.

I remember a poll asking "Who has the biggest ego?" and I single-handedly took Vince McMahon from 37% to 54%. And, that was with over 100,000 votes already in the system.

It's not hard to manipulate those polls, which is my point.

Oh please tell me you don't pay attention to WWE Polls. They are so unreliable, it's not even funny. Results can change like that if a person votes enough. And I guess someone did.

A few people have said this before, but I'm going to say it too. WWE polls are very unreliable. Like Sly said you get five people sitting there for an hour and you got yourself a hefty amount of votes there. Now I'm not ruling out the fact that that many people could vote that, but it just seems to me that Cena has way more fans that want him to keep the belt then to allow such a landslide poll. I duno I could be wrong, but it just seems strange to me.

That, in addition to ballot-stuffing, is why I don't put much faith into poll questions that deal with scenarios.

There, that should be enough reading to keep you busy for a while.

 

[a7xoff]

SO what about this poll? 55% are against Cena in this poll, it seems a pick and choose with what stats you want. People have voted against Cena which goes with the boos I heard at SummerSlam an on Raw...the champ has lost it.

I'm not saying that it's not the fact. Believe me I've been sick of Cena as champion as well, and I know I voted a few times on WWE's poll. All I meant was WWE.com's polls are unreliable. This pole. You are absolutley correct that 55% of the people are against Cena. That's a fact and anyone who looks at the poll knows it.

 

[pete eagle]

My first post on here, I like Cena, I'm not his biggest fan but he's certainly done a lot over the last year to keep WWE up there. I think part of the reason that he is kept as champion is because of the way he divides opinion, people love to hate him because he's champion and others love him for it, it provokes debate and arguments but it sure as hell keeps people interested because some are watching for the time when he will lose and some are watching for him to keep on winning. It keeps the money rolling in for WWE and in a time when they've been thin on real superstars, he's done a good job. He will lose the title soon because he has enough support and status not to need it anymore.

 

[Lee]

I'm not saying that it's not the fact. Believe me I've been sick of Cena as champion as well, and I know I voted a few times on WWE's poll. All I meant was WWE.com's polls are unreliable. This pole. You are absolutley correct that 55% of the people are against Cena. That's a fact and anyone who looks at the poll knows it.

Can i just clarify that the 55% I gave there was NOT about the WWE poll (at the the time it was something like 70%) but it is currently the poll going on in THIS thread. And yes WWE polls are unreliable, how else could you explain Stevie Richards being top of poll for McMahon Jr?