Nominate Bands for the WZ Rock Tournament

[Slyfox696]

I recommend expanding the field to 64, especially considering how many good bands have been left out for crappy ones that very few people have ever heard of.

Here are some bands which may or may not have already been mentioned.

Bob Seger
Beatles
Fleetwood Mac
Journey
The Eagles
Heart
Poison
Kiss
Boston
REO Speedwagon
Pantera
Goo Goo Dolls
Matchbox 20

 

[X]

I understand alot of the suggestions, that was just a rough draft idea of bands in my head that I fealt deserved the spot.

Anti-Flag was just something I threw in, they seemed a good choice. Feel free to replace them with a different 90s band.

As for some of the other suggestions...Derek and the Domino's weren't included because A) Layla was really just an Eric Clapton solo album, and he's included already, and B) Theres already a ton of great artists in the 70s.

I originally did have Genesis on the list, but fealt that alot of our posters might not be too familiar with them.

Poison I didn't include because A) There were better choices and B) I hate Poison. Okay, I admit to being biased---I scrapped most hair metal bands.

But damn, I missed Anthrax? For sure they should be in there.

Just remember guys that there can only be 32 artists, and what I put up there was what I personally felt was the strongest pool of candidates.

As for the splitting up bands by eras idea...I get it totally...but it's such a waste of valuable space in the tournament. Do we really need AC/DC included twice? I mean, yeah, the lead singer changed, but the music stayed exactly the same. Same with Van Halen when David Lee Roth left. The only bands I feel personally deserve to be split up into different eras would be Pink Floyd & Genesis, because of how different each era sounded. Pink Floyd with Syd Barrett sounds almost nothing like Pink Floyd on Dark Side of the Moon (personally I prefer Barrett's Pink Floyd to the later incarnation) just like Genesis changed completely without Peter Gabriel.

Oh and Shadow I wanted so so badly to include King Crimson on that list, but to be honest there's probably 3 or 4 of us on here who even know who King Crimson is.

We definately need a system to decide on who are the 32 most deserving bands. Perhaps we could do a process of elimination with fringe bands? I'll leave that up to what IC thinks we should do.

This is gonna be great.

 

[Slyfox696]

I understand alot of the suggestions, that was just a rough draft idea of bands in my head that I fealt deserved the spot.

Anti-Flag was just something I threw in, they seemed a good choice. Feel free to replace them with a different 90s band.

As for some of the other suggestions...Derek and the Domino's weren't included because A) Layla was really just an Eric Clapton solo album, and he's included already, and B) Theres already a ton of great artists in the 70s.

I originally did have Genesis on the list, but fealt that alot of our posters might not be too familiar with them.

Poison I didn't include because A) There were better choices and B) I hate Poison. Okay, I admit to being biased---I scrapped most hair metal bands.

But damn, I missed Anthrax? For sure they should be in there.

Just remember guys that there can only be 32 artists, and what I put up there was what I personally felt was the strongest pool of candidates.

As for the splitting up bands by eras idea...I get it totally...but it's such a waste of valuable space in the tournament. Do we really need AC/DC included twice? I mean, yeah, the lead singer changed, but the music stayed exactly the same. Same with Van Halen when David Lee Roth left. The only bands I feel personally deserve to be split up into different eras would be Pink Floyd & Genesis, because of how different each era sounded. Pink Floyd with Syd Barrett sounds almost nothing like Pink Floyd on Dark Side of the Moon (personally I prefer Barrett's Pink Floyd to the later incarnation) just like Genesis changed completely without Peter Gabriel.

Oh and Shadow I wanted so so badly to include King Crimson on that list, but to be honest there's probably 3 or 4 of us on here who even know who King Crimson is.

We definately need a system to decide on who are the 32 most deserving bands. Perhaps we could do a process of elimination with fringe bands? I'll leave that up to what IC thinks we should do.

This is gonna be great.

That's why I feel the best option would be expand the field to 64. I mean, you're leaving Poison out for bands most people have never heard of. Expand it to 64 I say, and the list of DESERVING bands left out goes way down.

As far as hair bands, the most popular ones need to be included. And while their music was admittedly not that great, no one can deny the popularity of Poison, even to this day.

 

[strafro]

Yeah 64 from each grouping would make a lot of sense, but that might make this thing way too big, (since there are five sections right now). 64x4 brackets is 256 and that is a good number to keep things even. So with 256 total band, that would allow each decade to have 51 bands with one decade getting an extra band. My idea was to have people familiar with the different eras to come up with a list of their top 50 bands to rank them from that list. This would cause a mix of decades early on, which I think would be the best part.

People could fill out as many top 50s as they wanted, but would be encouraged to only do ones they were very familiar with, for instance, I know most of the bands from the 60s, 70s and 80s but am not completely familiar with them. So I would do lists only of the 90s and 2000s because those are what I am most familiar with. I also don't even really like the idea of splitting up bands from different decades, until the end, because I wanna see what people have to think of a matchup like Metallica vs. The Eagles or Santana vs. Lenny Kravitz and so many other great possibilites, I am not sure if this would be too time consuming but I could easily comprise a list of my top 50 bands from 1990s and 2000s.

Also to be fair I thought it would be fair to just do a ladder rating system instead of individually rating bands from decade to decade. So for example:
#1 Overall Seed: #1 of 60s
#2 " " : #1 of 70s
#3: #1 of 80s
#4: #1 of 90s
#5: #1 of 2000s
#6: #2 of 2000s
#7: #2 of 90s
#8: #2 of 80s
#9: #2 of 70s
#10: #2 of 60s

and so on...

Everyone lemme know what you think, in the meantime I will start making a top 50 list of the 90s and 2000s.

 

[IrishCanadian25]

There are not 5 regions - there are 4. It will likely be:

50's and 60's
70's
80's
90's and 2000's

If there are 64 bands in EACH region, then we have a tourney as big as the WZ tourney, at which point I will ask Jake and Jonny for a subforum. If we don't have 64 "great" bands in a region, we go with less and have preliminary matches, that's all. seeding may be random, not sure yet. Once we set a list we will get the seeding done.

 

[rKo0019]

Check out my sig, to promote the tournament. Hopefully it's cool...

As you can see, I'm totally pumped about it!

 

[Slyfox696]

There are not 5 regions - there are 4. It will likely be:

50's and 60's
70's
80's
90's and 2000's

If there are 64 bands in EACH region, then we have a tourney as big as the WZ tourney, at which point I will ask Jake and Jonny for a subforum. If we don't have 64 "great" bands in a region, we go with less and have preliminary matches, that's all. seeding may be random, not sure yet. Once we set a list we will get the seeding done.

All I want to say is that not having Bob Seger, Boston and Journey in this thing would automatically make it invalid.

One thing you could do would be to make each round a Triple Threat or something like that. That would allow at least 8 more bands in each region in, but not really drag out the tournament any more.

And, there is already a subforum for Wrestlezone tournaments I thought.

 

[justinsayne]

I think when it comes to doing the seeding for the tournament I ggod way to do it would be to rank them by something like album sales or something, I would assume that there is a site somewhere that has all that info, and if one person didn't have time to do all the ranking you could spit it up between people, like someone do one region, and someone else take care of another region then and so on, then as soon as they have the region done just send it back to IC25

Just and idea

 

[IrishCanadian25]

I think when it comes to doing the seeding for the tournament I ggod way to do it would be to rank them by something like album sales or something

Whooo boy, that would take a HELL of a lot of work. Honestly, it may be easier to throw it together based on perceived popularity. But I am open to ideas.

All I want to say is that not having Bob Seger, Boston and Journey in this thing would automatically make it invalid.

Agreed. They will almost certainly make it. Arena rock is AWESOME, and Seger is a legend.

One thing you could do would be to make each round a Triple Threat or something like that. That would allow at least 8 more bands in each region in, but not really drag out the tournament any more.

Not a bad idea. I'd prefer to keep it one on one, so there's nobody crying Nader on a vote splitter (if Radiohead beats both Pearl Jam and Alice in Chains because the grunge vote got split, there'd be some people pissed, such as myself) but it's something I'd keep in mind!

Great ideas, everyone, keep 'em coming!

 

[justinsayne]

Whooo boy, that would take a HELL of a lot of work. Honestly, it may be easier to throw it together based on perceived popularity. But I am open to ideas.

Yeah I know, that's why I said if you do it that way you might want to split up the work between a couple people, like since there is four regions, maybe split them up between four people, then as each person gets their region done they can just PM it back to you

though like I said before, it's just an idea, popped into my head so I thought I'd just throw it out there, to be honest I'm really not to worried about the seedings

 

[Luther_Hull]

xfearbefore's list is beast, but yes, there is indeed one glaring omission. The Arctic f'n Monkeys. Despite what you think of them, they are the British Rock band of the moment. They represent the new MySpace generation, they've given rise to a whole host of new unsigned bands selling more and more singles, and selling out bigger and bigger venues. To leave them out would just be ignorance, they've been the most successful British band in ages. Excluding Busted.

 

[RKO Orton]

I'm surprised one of my favorite bands who's only been around since 99 hasn't been mentioned. They have a lot of great songs and I feel as a fan of them I should give them their due. Here's my nomination for the WZ Rock Tournament:

DragonForce: I can't believe how many times I've listened to Through the Fire and the Flames, Revolution Deathsquad, and Operation Ground and Pound. Don't know what they sound like? Here are all 3 songs. If they make it to the tournament I'll give out more of their good songs. I just feel that these 3 are their best. Here are the videos:

Operation Ground and Pound:
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Through the Fire and the Flames:
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and my favorite, Revolution DeathSquad:
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PS-They would most likely belong in the 90-00 region.

 

[strafro]

Dragonforce is insanely crazy.

I found a couple of glaring omissions on the 1990s region that I thought I'd mention:

The Goo Goo Dolls, have a few great albums and really established themselves as a premier soft rock band with 'Iris".

The Barenaked Ladies: I really don't know how these guy were left off of the 90s set, they had a few good albums in there and are a pretty well-known/popular band.

Third Eye Blind: Pretty similar to the story with BNL, except way cooler, their songs are just so gross and filthy, but they are so catchy that no one cares, awesome.

Matchbox Twenty: I am a big fan of theirs and they had a few big hits near the end of the decade, Rob Thomas's vocals are awesome and 3 AM is one of my favorite songs from that time period.

Just thought I would try to become the voice of the late 90s/early 2000s as that is my real forte on music because I really got into it then.


For the 2000s, not sure if Sum 41 was on there, but if not, they should, the guys made 5 albums, had some awesome singles and can be catchy and rock at the same time, one of my personal favorite bands, well their first 3 albums at least.

And I know everyone hates Nickleback, but their first few albums were awesome, especially Curb, they straight rocked out, I saw them in concert and it blew my mind, let's not judge them on only their sell out, make money recent albums, but their entire body of work.

 

[X]

Dragonforce is insanely crazy.

I can pretty much guarantee that Dragonforce won't be in this thing because nobody knows who they are.

I agreed with the 90s bands you mentioned, but once again, there can be only 32 bands for each region, so some bands are going to be excluded.

And I know everyone hates Nickleback, but their first few albums were awesome, especially Curb, they straight rocked out, I saw them in concert and it blew my mind, let's not judge them on only their sell out, make money recent albums, but their entire body of work.

This is just my opinion and all, but no. Everything, every song, every single piece of recorded music that Nickleback has ever, EVER made, has been total utter shit that is blasphemy to rock and roll. Nickleback rocks about as hard as Paula Abdul. I can't think of a single more generic, terrible, and just straight up talentless band in existence today.

But they'll be on here, because theres a ton of absolute morons in the world who love them; probably the same people who voted for Bush.

 

[justinsayne]

Nickleback straight up sucks, and Xfear explained why better than anyone, the only people I have ever known to be fans of their shitty music are all girls, they are the new Poison, a shitty band with a huge female fan following, that no self respecting male will ever admit to being a fan of, I mean Aaron Lewis did a solo show here not to long ago, and was doing a bunch of covers, people would shout out random songs and he would play them, one person shouted out a Nickelback song, and Aaron Lewis's response was something along the lines of (in ths was in a sarcastic tone) "Oh yes, Nickelback what a wonderfully commercial band, who doesn't love Nickleback, yeah so um next request please", Nickleback was one of the only bands he refused to play

Nickleback is horriable, and my hatred for them grew to a whole new level when I found out they were trying to make money off Dimebags death with "Side of a Bullet". They will be in this tournament and I will be doing everything in my power to make sure they are knocked out in the first round

 

[Shadowmancer]

Bush is an Awesome band, what is wrong with Gavin Rossdale (sp?) They are another band that deserves to be in there. in the main group. They have a lot of good music.

 

[justinsayne]

Bush is an Awesome band, what is wrong with Gavin Rossdale (sp?) They are another band that deserves to be in there. in the main group. They have a lot of good music.

Bush is a fantastic band, however I have a feeling Xfear wasn't talking about the band, but the president...you know the bad kind of Bush

alot of bands have been mentioned but I don't think I've seen Machine Head, Thrice, Fear Factory, or Lacuna Coil mentioned yet, all four of those bands should at least be considered IMO

 

[Shocky]

I would go with 64 in each bracket. There are some glaring ommisions, and probably would end up be regardless if we expand it to 128 or something like that. Personally, I want to see Nickelback and Creed in, just so those two shitty bands get some votes so I have a reason to rip people a new asshole.

Bush should be in it without a doubt. Five huge singles off of one album in the 90's was something amazing.

And as far as the seeding goes, just use a random number generator online and have it assign numbers to each band, and bracket them up that way.

Now as far as the Regions go, are the members of the 90's strictly facing the other bands of the 90's, or are we going to see everything mixed together?

 

[Freedom 35]

Ive got 3 more that defenitely deserve nominations

1.) The Melvins: how could anyone forget the Melvins while they didnt have the cleanest sound theyre one of my personal favorites with their quite sludgy sound. they could be listed as fom the 80s or 90s because while they were around for most of the 80s they didnt quite peak until Houdini came out and I belive that was 93? help me out on that one Xfear. they were majorly influencial to bands like Nirvana and other bands coming out of the Northwest, so much so that when Kurt Cobain auditioned for them when he was younger he was so nervous to be around his idols that e forgot everything he was going to play. this tournament would be incomplete wihout them

2.) what rock music tournament would be complete without the man Frank Zappa. Im not really sure which era to put him in because his music really spanned over 3 decades but there arent many more talented or influencial musicians than Frank Zappa and this is why he should be in.

3.) and of course for the 00's I have to throw The Mars Voltas name into the pot, while people around here have their false ideas about them theres really no more talented musicians out there than them, and while people think their music is hit or miss I truely believe most of their music is pure gold, Id say all of deloused in the comatorium and Amputechture are perfection and about 3/4 of Frances the Mute is great and while their new album lacks their are some gems in there if you give it a full listen, and not to mention Scab Dates their "live" album that features versions of songs that IMO are better than the original recordings of them. these guys are really the total package and while you may not like them you cant help but ackgowledge their amazing abilities.

thats my suggestions right there

 

[strafro]

I have seen other people throw their hats out there for making offical support threads for Queen and the Cranberries I believe and I will also be creating an official fan group but am torn between the Red Hot Chili Peppers and the Foo Fighters, any one have a preference of who they would rather see an official support thread for?

And for the record I will try to find a Nickleback song that is decent, it obviously won't be from the last 3 years though. I don't blame them for going commercial they do have lots of $$$$, but they do suck now, I will see if I can post something that is halfway decent for all of you absolute haters. Don't get me wrong, I hate Nickleback now, but it wasn't always that way, it's like when people love indy bands and then hate when they get big, making more $$$$. Anyways, I will put something up that may alter opinions slightly, not change obviously.

 

[X]

Ive got 3 more that defenitely deserve nominations

1.) The Melvins: how could anyone forget the Melvins while they didnt have the cleanest sound theyre one of my personal favorites with their quite sludgy sound. they could be listed as fom the 80s or 90s because while they were around for most of the 80s they didnt quite peak until Houdini came out and I belive that was 93? help me out on that one Xfear. they were majorly influencial to bands like Nirvana and other bands coming out of the Northwest, so much so that when Kurt Cobain auditioned for them when he was younger he was so nervous to be around his idols that e forgot everything he was going to play. this tournament would be incomplete wihout them

Meh. I know all about the Melvins, if you've ever read a biography on Kurt Cobain you know all about them. They did have a pretty big influence on the grunge scene, but honestly I don't find them to be a very good band. I keep trying to get into them, but I just can't. It's just too....I don't even know. I'm just not a big fan of them except for their cover of Lexicon Devil.

Plus, I doubt many people here have ever heard of the Melvins, and with so many fantastic bands in the 80s already in this thing, I doubt the Melvins will make it in. But I'd enjoy them to be in.

2.) what rock music tournament would be complete without the man Frank Zappa. Im not really sure which era to put him in because his music really spanned over 3 decades but there arent many more talented or influencial musicians than Frank Zappa and this is why he should be in.

I totally agree with you, and Zappa was on my list, but I took him off because people just don't get him. If you post a video of Korn and a video of Frank Zappa from the 60s, there would be dozens and dozens of jackass 15 year olds who have no idea who Frank Zappa is saying "What is that crap?! It's not even music!" and voting him out.

But hell yeah, I'm down for Zappa. Alot of people just can't get into him though. Too weird.

3.) and of course for the 00's I have to throw The Mars Voltas name into the pot, while people around here have their false ideas about them theres really no more talented musicians out there than them, and while people think their music is hit or miss I truely believe most of their music is pure gold, Id say all of deloused in the comatorium and Amputechture are perfection and about 3/4 of Frances the Mute is great and while their new album lacks their are some gems in there if you give it a full listen, and not to mention Scab Dates their "live" album that features versions of songs that IMO are better than the original recordings of them. these guys are really the total package and while you may not like them you cant help but ackgowledge their amazing abilities.

I believe I included At the Drive-In already, and to be honest, the Mars Volta is very inferior to At the Drive-In. While I enjoy some of the Mars Volta's stuff, alot of it is absolute horseshit thats just being weird for the sake of being weird.

But hey, who knows how this things going to turn out really.

 

[Pickle]

I'd go with 64 bands in each bracket. Sure it will be huge, but this way no great musicians get left out and some less great but still noteworthy groups can go in too. That said, I've made a list of acts that I didn't find on Xfear's otherwise fantastical list.

50s/60&#8217;s
Jerry Lee Lewis
Johnny Cash
Little Richard
Ray Charles

70&#8217;s
Al Green (if Marvin Gaye gets considered, so hould Al)
Blue Oyster Cult
The Guess Who
Bachman-Turner Overdrive
Foreigner
Joni Mitchell
Kansas
Lynyrd Skynyrd
Patti Smith
Siouxsie & the Banshees
T-Rex
Frank Zappa
Tom Waits

80&#8217;s
Joan Jett
Journey
Meatloaf
Happy Mondays

90&#8217;s
Bjork
Elliott Smith
Nofx
Matthew Good Band*
Moist*
Sloan*
The Tragically Hip*

00&#8217;s
Bright Eyes
Yeah Yeah Yeahs
Alexisonfire*
Arcade Fire*
Billy Talent*
Broken Social Scene*
Metric*
New Pornographers*


*All of these groups are pretty big here in Canada, and are pretty critically acclaimed in the US too. They're all at least big enough that if anyone is unfamiliar with them, they could easily just look em up on youtube to confirm that they all rock hard enough to be included.

I can't wait for this thing to get started.

 

[IrishCanadian25]

Listed below are the first 20 CONFIRMED bands from the 1950's and 1960's to be entered into the first ever Wrestlezone Rock Tournament!


The Beatles

Led Zeppelin

The Who

The Monkees

The Beach Boys

The Rolling Stones

Jimi Hendrix

Buddy Holly

Creedence Clearwater Revival

The Byrds

Bob Dylan

The Doors

Simon & Garfunkel

The Kinks

Cream

Sly & The Family Stone

The Grateful Dead

Van Morrison

The Animals

The Mama's & The Papa's



This region may stop at 32, but we are not yet sure.

 

[Freedom 35]

Meh. I know all about the Melvins, if you've ever read a biography on Kurt Cobain you know all about them. They did have a pretty big influence on the grunge scene, but honestly I don't find them to be a very good band. I keep trying to get into them, but I just can't. It's just too....I don't even know. I'm just not a big fan of them except for their cover of Lexicon Devil.

Plus, I doubt many people here have ever heard of the Melvins, and with so many fantastic bands in the 80s already in this thing, I doubt the Melvins will make it in. But I'd enjoy them to be in.
.

meh I geuss its just a matter of opinion Ive liked them from the second I heard them but irregardless I do agree that they wouldnt go very far or really anywhere for that matter in this tournament because they arent well known and even some of the people like yourself that do know them may not especially like them.

I totally agree with you, and Zappa was on my list, but I took him off because people just don't get him. If you post a video of Korn and a video of Frank Zappa from the 60s, there would be dozens and dozens of jackass 15 year olds who have no idea who Frank Zappa is saying "What is that crap?! It's not even music!" and voting him out.

But hell yeah, I'm down for Zappa. Alot of people just can't get into him though. Too weird.

your probably right with this one too however I cant help but think he has to be in the tournament regardless of what happens hes just too talented and too influencial to get snubbed from this thing

I believe I included At the Drive-In already, and to be honest, the Mars Volta is very inferior to At the Drive-In. While I enjoy some of the Mars Volta's stuff, alot of it is absolute horseshit thats just being weird for the sake of being weird.

But hey, who knows how this things going to turn out really

that was a good choice to include them and IMO I cant really decide which band of either I prefer but Ill tell you this At the Drive-in has made probably the two best albums I own in In/Casino/out and Relationship of Command while also blessing my ears with Vaya and Acrobatic Tenament also. At the Drive-in is great regardless and despite my biased views about the Mars Volta I do agree but only a little bit because some of their songs seem like theyre saying "look at out massive musical cocks" and overdoing it a bit. eaither way Im going to make a massive push for At the drive-in in this tournament similar to IC's push for Vader and am hoping to see them go far in this

 

[IrishCanadian25]

The 70's will be a 64 band region. There is too much good music from the 70's, as you will see by the list below. It would be harder to eliminate 20 of these bands than it would be to add 12 more.


Aerosmith

Pink Floyd

Bob Seger

Judas Priest

Three Dog Night

Chicago

Alan Parson's Project

America

The Cars

AC / DC

Alice Cooper

Iron Maiden

Bad Company

Bachman Turner Overdrive

Black Sabbath

Deep Purple

Blue Oyster Cult

Boston

Dire Straits

The Eagles

The Doobie Brothers

Van Halen (Roth)

Rush

Kiss

The Clash

Steppenwolf

ZZ Top

The Police

The Ramones

Kansas

Queen

David Bowie

Fleetwood Mac

Lynard Skynyrd

The Allman Brothers

Crosby, Stills, Nash, and Young

Steve Miller Band

Iggy Pop & The Stooges

Jethro Tull

Santana

Yes

Blondie

The Sex Pistols

Eric Clapton

Elton John

Foreigner

Grand Funk Railroad

Heart

Journey

Pat Benatar

Peter Frampton

REO Speedwagon

Styx


12 more spots are open for the 70's, so any additional nominations would be fantastic!