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[Corpse_Machine]

I didn't like it, Hornswoggle has lost his 'novelty' value in the WWE and this was just a way to tie up any loose ends that were left with the Anonymous Raw GM disappearance.

It made no sense, there was no legitimate Anonymous GM, i feel kind of robbed in a sense.
But at the end of the day, it doesn't bother me that much, the most disappointing thing about it is the it was Hornswoggle. Every time there's an end to something that could have been quite substantial as a storyline, they throw him in the mix e.g The Cruiserweight title, DX, McMahons illegitimate son... Just a few off of the top of my head.

 

[DX Mols]

What a horrible pile of sh*t. Anything that has to do with Hornswoggle is the worst. I hate that character and I wish they would get rid of him already. And Khali. And Michael Cole. All of them are awful.

 

[Workrate]

Dumb, but harmless.

It was a throwaway spot, as they pretty much never had any plan; so it's not like that could have gotten any more stupid.

That said, it doesn't make it entertaining.

So it sucked, but, in the grand scheme of things it doesn't matter.

Exactly this.

It's easy to complain about now because it's obviously a very stupid "pay-off," but at the same time, what difference does it make? The storyline ended a year ago (or whatever, I don't even remember). If anything, I'm guessing they resolved it this way to put the whole thing to bed once and for all so that it's one less cloud hanging over people's heads. It was an inside joke, most likely.

 

[FitFinlay4Life]

Exactly this.

It's easy to complain about now because it's obviously a very stupid "pay-off," but at the same time, what difference does it make? The storyline ended a year ago (or whatever, I don't even remember). If anything, I'm guessing they resolved it this way to put the whole thing to bed once and for all so that it's one less cloud hanging over people's heads. It was an inside joke, most likely.

If it was over a year ago, then why bring it up again?

People, for the most part, had put this behind them AND there was always the chance that it could have been brought back in to put over an authority figure (like a returning Heyman or Stephanie).

This says "Hey folks, sorry for leading you down the primrose path for so long... oh, by the way, here's what was at the end of it - a dung heap!"

Yes, it is an inside joke and it's at our expense.

 

[DeathClutch]

Not surprising really.

It's not the first time Hornswoggles been placed in a high profile storyline that had high hopes pinned on it, that failed for whatever reason so WWE threw the lil guy to give it some comedy relief.

Strange as it may sound I'm glad WWE have actually tried to tie up some loose ends, having horny as the GM thou might be confusing considering he's a good guy and did some heelish stuff with the GM doesn't make sense BUT it officially ends the storyline that turned into a comedy spot anyway.

 

[RockVenom]

It sucked big time...!

They did exactly the same type of "turn around" they did in the storyline where they were hinting who Mr McMahon's illigitimate son was... That ended up being Hornswaggle. That's 2 big storylines, that people paid attention too, ruined by him... Instead of revealing someone who has more impact to conclude storylines such as this one, they scrap it with Hornswaggle. Because they didn't know who to use or they couldn't find anybody to do follow ups with the storylines.

Moves like that can sometimes kill the credibility for future storylines, 'cause people will take them less seriously and pay less attention to them. Usually, especially in the Attitude Era, the WWE was good with making storylines with impact conclusions. Since the whole thing went PG, except for CM Punk's pipe bomb last year and a couple others before that, everything lacks intensity.

Coming back to Hornswaggle... Bottom line, they should keep him AWAY from all high profiled storylines. Because it's deceiving and annoying in the end...

 

[Dr. Awesome]

Although I never cared for this storyline in the 1st place, This still pissed me off they had plenty of time to get a better one. This proves the WWE didn't give a flying fuck about this storyline.

 

[suleman09]

Whoever picthed the idea to Vince to have Hornswoggle come out as the GM should be slapped in the face then fired and then Vince needs to go in hiatus and let someone else run things for a while. Cuz that was the worst payoff of anything i've ever seen!!

I just knew from the beginning when Santino started "searching" for the GM that it was going to payoff in a stupid way...nothing against Santino but we're never going to get something great in a Santino segment

 

[Irig]

Anon GM storyline was good until they revealed it as Hornswoggle IMO. Honestly i don't know why they still have him in wwe. He cant induce laughter anyone atleast to me

 

[Poop Master Flex]

Meh, at this point who cares as its been a few years since the Anonymous GM was even a discussion. By now they really could have made anyone the Anonymous GM and it wouldn't even matter since its an abandoned storyline.

Hornswoggle was just the choice to a storyline they for some reason decided to close last night when before it looked like they were going to just ignore it. They had no idea who the Anonymous GM was when it mattered so now that it doesn't matter who gives a shit who it is. It's not like back in '07-'08 when he was Vince's son or anything.

 

[JaylisJayP]

Meh, at this point who cares as its been a few years since the Anonymous GM was even a discussion. By now they really could have made anyone the Anonymous GM and it wouldn't even matter since its an abandoned storyline.

Hornswoggle was just the choice to a storyline they for some reason decided to close last night when before it looked like they were going to just ignore it. They had no idea who the Anonymous GM was when it mattered so now that it doesn't matter who gives a shit who it is. It's not like back in '07-'08 when he was Vince's son or anything.

I'm still pissed we didn't get to see Hornswaggle in a Vinnie Mac suit strutting to the ring, lol.

I thought I read somewhere that they actually did have a person in mind for the anonymous GM, but that they eventually let it carry on so long it kinda missed it's payoff point and they scrapped the reveal. I could be wrong.

Either way, once they revealed Sherlock Santino in the angle, what exactly did you expect? You knew it was going to be a comedy payoff. Now, if they had done this during the 1,000th Raw and it was Jericho trying to find the GM, then it would've been a different story...and I would've half expected to see Shane-O Mac's face during the broadcast.

 

[martymcfly]

In retrospect, it would have been nice had the individual made sense. Why would the board of directors have turned to some random guy with no management experience to run their flagship show?

Although I had a sinking feeling as soon as they showed Santino in a sherlock holmes hat that he was going to ultimately track down hornswoggle.

Exactly this.

It's easy to complain about now because it's obviously a very stupid "pay-off," but at the same time, what difference does it make? The storyline ended a year ago (or whatever, I don't even remember). If anything, I'm guessing they resolved it this way to put the whole thing to bed once and for all so that it's one less cloud hanging over people's heads. It was an inside joke, most likely.

However, in the end, I have to agree with both workrate and kelly kelly's girlfriend, in that in the end, this whole thing deserves little more than an eye roll, a shrug, and a "yeah ok, whatever."

 

[boywithbluehanger]

I think (and I could easily be wrong about this) that the whole purpose of revealing Hornswoggle as GM was to rib at the people who still bitch about the storyline not being resolved. I don't think that this was the plan all along to have Hornswoggle as the big, shocking, GM. I'm not saying that Creative actually had a solid decision made as to who would be the big reveal but my guess is that at the time of the arc, it wasn't Hornswoggle.

Last night's reveal was solely to poke fun at all of those who still openly express discontent over the dropped Anonymous General Manager storyline. (I believe)

 

[FitFinlay4Life]

But who did? I'm not aware of it having had any real meaningful mention in quite some time and (usually) it's most likely time to be trotted out was in TNA/ WWe arguments of the 'Joe abducted by ninjas' genus.

When even the IWC had dropped the subject, what was the need to go back and turn what was a serious plot into a bad joke punchline?

 

[dg43088]

Just glad they wrapped the angle up. It was clear a long time ago there was never going to be a grand payoff and it did kind of get under my skin that they just dropped it without saying who it was but in all honestly it wasn't all that important. Plus every so often I like seeing Hornswoggle.

 

[thedon2001]

come on people, hornswoggle isn't for the adult crowd. Who get's a kick out of a small person being a GM hiding under the ring? Again if the adult demographic likes the hornswoggle angle then there's something completely wrong with you. It's for children. The product, the advertising, the gimmicks, the story lines, etc are all for kids.

Week after week people watch RAW, come to complain, and go back to watch. People are honestly watching a PG show and complaining that it's not interesting, there's not enough attitude, violence, cuss words, extreme actions, etc. What do you expect?

 

[Radical]

come on people, hornswoggle isn't for the adult crowd. Who get's a kick out of a small person being a GM hiding under the ring? Again if the adult demographic likes the hornswoggle angle then there's something completely wrong with you. It's for children. The product, the advertising, the gimmicks, the story lines, etc are all for kids.

Week after week people watch RAW, come to complain, and go back to watch. People are honestly watching a PG show and complaining that it's not interesting, there's not enough attitude, violence, cuss words, extreme actions, etc. What do you expect?

It is kind of funny (I guess sad, too, in a way) how much the show as become "For Kids"!

I think back to when I was a kid I started watching wrestling probably at about age 7 or 8 at my grandparents house. But at that time I'd only see a match or two and only know about the top wrestlers. It wasn't until middle-school where I really was drawn to wrestling and following it a lot. I was still a kid but that was during the whole D-X era and WCW in its hay day. What's interesting is it was more of a grown-up show, obviously, and was not PG yet I was still drawn to it.

Now, I'm much older and it REALLY seems a lot more of a show for kids... but not just teenagers... like really young kids! I know this because I had a long conversation with a couple of Kindergarteners during a summer camp outing where these kids were so into WWE, John Cena, Rey Mysterio, etc. etc. way more than i was at that age. It was clear ot me that WWE is hitting a very young demographic.

So many things in the show point towards it:

- Hornswoggle running around like a little leprechaun

- Big fat man Brodus Clay dancing around after a 2 minute match and now even bringing in small children to the ring to dance

- Big huge giant Great Khali still around but as a happy face character

- Santino having segments very much reminiscent of a children's show.

- SHORT matches. I guess that's important to keep a child's attention. Keep matches super short so kids don't get bored.


Yikes, I never really realized it until now but WWE are NOT making it easy for adults to get into wrestling these days.

 

[TheHitMark-SirJoseOle]

They've ignored things before, they might as well not have bothered to even visit this ridiculous angle again. However, as one poster stated maybe Hornswoggle is a red herring and after this guest GM nonsense is over, they'll go somewhere else with it. Who knows? Like I stated in my previous posting in reply to whether or not anyone is going to miss Johnny Ace as a GM, I already made my case about this plot device. General Managers are a ridiculous and overused aspect of wrestling. As I also stated in that post, bring back supporting characters like managers and have a nondescript/impartial (or as close as you can be to one) authority figure who is rarely seen or heard from, i.e. Jack Tunney.

Because like we saw with Johnny Ace, trying to fill the shoes of a Vince McMahon character is an easier said than done feat, and to be honest it only really worked with Vince playing this part. It was ridiculous enough in TNA when they tried doing the same thing with Hogan during that whole Immortal angle. Just let the GM plot device in general just die all together...please!

 

[Workrate]

If it was over a year ago, then why bring it up again?

People, for the most part, had put this behind them AND there was always the chance that it could have been brought back in to put over an authority figure (like a returning Heyman or Stephanie).

This says "Hey folks, sorry for leading you down the primrose path for so long... oh, by the way, here's what was at the end of it - a dung heap!"

Yes, it is an inside joke and it's at our expense.

I can't even begin to guess the number of times I've read on these boards about how leaving the storyline unresolved was one more example of creative's incompetence. I don't buy that "people, for the most part" stuff, because I've read too much to the contrary.

So while the WWE themselves had moved on, many fans had not. That's how I see it.

At any rate, the joke wasn't "at our expense." What expense? The time you spent watching the program that you would have otherwise watched anyway? Because you certainly didn't shell out money hoping to see who was behind a computer.

It was harmless. Some people in the back probably thought it'd be funny to wrap things up with an ugly little bow and put the whole thing to rest once and for all. They most likely chose Hornswoggle as an ode to when he was revealed to be Vince's son, another much maligned storyline that led to big things and ended with a sputter. My guess is, they also thought their audience would "get it," that Hornswoggle would be outed and the audience would laugh with them in the joint realization that it's over and it in the grand scheme of things, it never really mattered.

 

[Raiden46]

Maybe you shouldn't watch wrestling if it angers you so much? Try and relax a little and you'll find you enjoy things more. The goofy four minute Horswoggle segment wasn't so bad that you had to curse four times.

It's like the Philadelphia sports fans. They boo the hell out of their own teams most of the time; but that's only because they are passionate about their city and teams. Same holds true here. We watch because we are fans of the art form; but not the bullshit that is being put on the screen. And yes, the Hornswoggle payoff was terrible. Anyone who thinks otherwise is either kidding themselves or probably related to the little green midget himself.

 

[Ol'Canucklehead]

I just want to start by *facepalm*

Do you guys really think that Hornswoggle was the "Anonymous GM"? I mean do you think they planned on it being him the entire time? It was something the writers put together to have a previous GM host the show and gave it a comedic ending. To connect him to all the previous Anon GM stories is just a waste of your time. Wrestling is fake and they can do what they want. Don't worry in 2 weeks there will be a new GM or GMs and you'll all have something new to crab about. If you were expecting that at some point some huge reveal would happen then you have too much time on your hands. They obviously gave up on it last year. Sheesh. Some people. Wrestling is for entertainment, bitch about politics. At least they are sorta real.

 

[FitFinlay4Life]

I can't even begin to guess the number of times I've read on these boards about how leaving the storyline unresolved was one more example of creative's incompetence. I don't buy that "people, for the most part" stuff, because I've read too much to the contrary.

So while the WWE themselves had moved on, many fans had not. That's how I see it.

At any rate, the joke wasn't "at our expense." What expense? The time you spent watching the program that you would have otherwise watched anyway? Because you certainly didn't shell out money hoping to see who was behind a computer.

It was harmless. Some people in the back probably thought it'd be funny to wrap things up with an ugly little bow and put the whole thing to rest once and for all. They most likely chose Hornswoggle as an ode to when he was revealed to be Vince's son, another much maligned storyline that led to big things and ended with a sputter. My guess is, they also thought their audience would "get it," that Hornswoggle would be outed and the audience would laugh with them in the joint realization that it's over and it in the grand scheme of things, it never really mattered.

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Nobody was out any actual expense when this happened either but it PO'd many fans of Dallas. Basically, it said that we've gotten you to watch for the last year and you want to know what - you might as well have not bothered! Dropping the anonymous GM angle basically presented the same premise but there was always the possibility that it would be settled in a logical manner.

Best case scenario here, we are still in the same position now. Worst case, we are meant to believe that the powers that be placed a mute leprechaun in charge of their premier program.

For the user claiming that it doesn't matter because it's only aimed at children, RAW is shown at a time when children should be tucked up in bed on the east coast. It may be more kiddie friendly but it's key TV audience for the live show is adults and it needs to treat us with more respect.

 

[TheHitMark-SirJoseOle]

Nobody was out any actual expense when this happened either but it PO'd many fans of Dallas. Basically, it said that we've gotten you to watch for the last year and you want to know what - you might as well have not bothered! Dropping the anonymous GM angle basically presented the same premise but there was always the possibility that it would be settled in a logical manner.

Best case scenario here, we are still in the same position now. Worst case, we are meant to believe that the powers that be placed a mute leprechaun in charge of their premier program.

For the user claiming that it doesn't matter because it's only aimed at children, RAW is shown at a time when children should be tucked up in bed on the east coast. It may be more kiddie friendly but it's key TV audience for the live show is adults and it needs to treat us with more respect.

FitFinlay4Life, as always I have to give you my props man!

Not to say I don't appreciate Workrate's posting or his opinion on the matter either, because truly I do. However, WWE has shown in this case that they don't really care about where their story lines end up or if there's any true closure to them. However, I will still give the benefit of the doubt and wait this out, but considering the nature and make up of the Anonymous GM storyline from when it first started, I don't think there's going to be much to it. I personally think we saw the capper to it last night and that's that. Again, I will hold out cautious optimism and will be more than glad to admit I am wrong if I end up being wrong. I mean wrestling has given up on story lines in the past and abruptly ended them and what not, some for obvious reasons (The limo death of Vince, I think we all know the story about that by now, no need to rehash) o and some just out of sheer "we don't give a rat's ass where this goes" (i.e. the Hummer angle in WCW, if I remember right that damn vehicle even changed colors...sheesh, GTV, the impostor Kane, and so on).

I think WWE did owe the fans a lot more with this storyline, despite my personal feelings on GM figures in wrestling. Even if it looks half assed or even is half assed, a better sense of closure is still needed for a storyline like this. However, we'll wait and see.

Well one can hope that upon Randy Orton's return we could see the punt brought back and used to write Hornswoggle off TV. Hmmm...one can sure dream at least, can't they?

 

[Workrate]

I mean, the history of television is littered with storylines gone awry, if we want to just sit and post those moments where we didn't get the pay-off we feel we deserved. And if you want to take the Hornswoggle thing as the WWE reaching through your television set and spitting on your shoes, well, you're entitled to it. I just don't think that was the intention at all (again, I think the intention was an inside joke and a slight nod to fans that, "yeah, we uh... we totally botched that angle... sorry, here's a silly little joke in which we're going to poke fun at the Hornswoggle-is-Vince's-son storyline"), and I think getting overly worked up over this particular angle is sort of silly. If they'd revealed him as the anonymous GM at the angle's climax, then sure, we should all be rioting in the streets (not really, of course). But a year or so later? After the angle has been dropped and ignored? Eh.

I mean, the fact that we're even talking about "a mute leprechaun in charge of their premier program" is proof that the whole thing was a joke. There are plenty of things to pick apart about WWE's programming, but this is one that hardly deserves the ire.

 

[PSachkovsky]

That is IT! I am done! This is the worst thing I've seen in a while now. That is like the worst thing after Titanic. I don't care what anybody says. It pisses me off, how people here say 'it doesn't matter' and stuff like that.

The creative team made an inside joke at our expense, and it pissed me off. The creative team needs to get fired, and there should be someone else running the show. I am tired of this BS that keeps coming back.

Way to make fans want to watch that sh*t called WWE. I am officialy done. This is the last straw. I have no strength and no time to waste on this pathetic, uninteresting show. I don't care what happens.