ECW Champion Discussion Thread

[Lexus19]

Chavo Guerrero is an amazing wrestler and deserved the ecw title by far . But at wrestlemania 24 Kane won the ecw title ( kane and chavo moved 2 ECW roster ). I think that "ECW on SC-FI". Should start 2 b considered a brand ( if more superstars were added e.g. super crazy) , And should be premoted in the U.K. on Freeview ( or channels that everyone is able 2 access with a freeview box cost as little £15- 2 ones that used 2 show TNA ppv's entil a couple of months ago these r £129.99 for box( first month £9.99 4 channels free as freeview movie channel + £12.99 a month for the extra channels (which ain't bad providing u get a box that record the TV u whant ( americans can call it TV O , ) in the U.K. last mainstream wrestling in uk prime time was old WCW on chaneanl 5 . wwe needs 2 leave the murdoch owned satielite in the U.K. Just like wwe let's TnA and RoH grow in popularity if not to strike then down.

In short WWe need to make sure EcW is on at a regular timeslot and that the advertisment and endorsements if they go into public tv in the u.k is spent on talent and story line devolpment . If TNA was 2 do the same thing , wwe may lose on of it's well paying dvd markets . What im saying is that wwe DvD should no just b confined to woolworths wher they go £14.95 for last years aremggedon which is what x2 in money so so about $30 4 decemb ers Dvd do u pay that America

 

[beyondgoodandevil]

Kane as the champion is a good bet for right now but i think we need 2 see john morrison dump the tag titles jump the miz go after chavo and kane and turn it into a triple threat for the title maybe put in tommy dreamer we might even see colin(the douchebag) come into the picture but idk

 

[Dead Kennedy]

Man, am I tired of having the giants winning the title. Give someone else who can actually benefit from it, like Miz, Evan Bourne or Elijah Burke (that may be a long time though if he was seriously hurt) and not boring big guys like Mark Henry. I prefer Mark Henry to Kane as ECW Champion though. Man, Kane as a face is just boring. He was made to look weak for his entire reign. This is the Big Red Machine we're talking about here, the guy I once "looked up to"! (in lack of a better term)

I hope WWE Creative drop it to someone like that soon. (I hope I'm not bringing up an old thread here.)

 

[Shaft]

I Disagree about Mark Henry being a terrible champion...why would you want a beatable heel? Where is the fun in that?? Wheres the conflict?? CHavo was a beatable heel champion..how great did that turn out..now THAT was boring and horrible.

ECW has been getting better ratings both tv wise and from wrestling 'columnists' and in most reviews ive been reading since Henry has become champion.

Also, he has great charisma...say what you will about him wrestling wise...but to say he's boring...i cant take that criticism seriously...

 

[Y 2 Jake]

I Disagree about Mark Henry being a terrible champion...why would you want a beatable heel? Where is the fun in that?? Wheres the conflict?? CHavo was a beatable heel champion..how great did that turn out..now THAT was boring and horrible.

Chavo has had a stronger push over the past year. Yeah Kane defeated him easily. But when he returned after his short suspension he was winning far more than Henry was.

Henry went from Unforgiven to Night Of Champions with hardly a feud or a victory.

Also, he has great charisma...say what you will about him wrestling wise...but to say he's boring...i cant take that criticism seriously...

The only time the guy has showed any charisma is when he's been doing comedy.

 

[Beeyond_Good_and_Evil]

I was actually happy for Henry when he won the belt originally. He looked really excited and has been a decent champ. But his reign should end after Summerslam I'm already bored with him and ready for Matt Hardy even though he bores me too. I want Hardy to wn so Morrison can get it from him in a few months and I can be entertained again.

 

[Skreach666]

I Want hardy TO Win Because He Deserves A Title That Has Meaning but it Needs To be WWE Or World Heavywieght. Matt has put alot of time in and deserve a shot alot more than morrison and chavvo and mark henry

 

[Greg Grimes]

I personally think that the ECW is going to get a little bit more creditablilty soon. Now I base that just off the fact that, Matt Hardy has great potenital. Once they give him the belt I feel like they can get a soild title reign out of him. Just he alone can start a feud with just about any fool on ECW. Morrision I believe should be the first to get a shot, I would almost even say throw the Miz in and have some fun with it. Make it last a few weeks, then make it it morrsion/hardy, then Morrsion/Miz, Hardy/Miz those three alone could get it going, then be building up some of these other guys, even make it more extreme, if WWE was smart they would stick with this RAW PG shit, and make ECW a edgy show like it was. I mean common, we can watch shows about murder with crazy ass seens, and rape and shit, but we can't watch a good ole fashion belfast brawl with some barb wire and a little blood? Put that on ECW ill watch taht shit. Sorry off subject but yeaaaa...... Morrison WWE champ...WHAT?

 

[Starchild]

Henry is a completely boring champion and that new belt they made for him just makes it worse. His matches aren't entertaining at all, and yea he had been with the company for awhile, so maybe some kind of reign was in order, but it's overstayed it's welcome now.

I can't wait till Hardy wins this. The first thing they should do after is split Morrison and Miz and let Morrison shine like he used to. Hardy/Morrison for the title could be a great program that will really build both up some more and put some more interest in ECW as a whole. Hardy would also be able to work with Miz and Burke just as well, just anyone but Henry.

 

[oneandonly]

Henry is a completely boring champion and that new belt they made for him just makes it worse. His matches aren't entertaining at all, and yea he had been with the company for awhile, so maybe some kind of reign was in order, but it's overstayed it's welcome now.

I can't wait till Hardy wins this. The first thing they should do after is split Morrison and Miz and let Morrison shine like he used to. Hardy/Morrison for the title could be a great program that will really build both up some more and put some more interest in ECW as a whole. Hardy would also be able to work with Miz and Burke just as well, just anyone but Henry.

I agree that they should let Hardy take the title and let him fued with Morrison. But assuming he retains against Morrison I would love to see Matt with Evan Bourne. Every match would be held under extreme rules and it would be perfect for Bourne to show off his extreme skills.

 

[My$terio_Fan]

I don't mind Henry's title reign to be honsest. Don't like the guy and I think he is a talentless wrestler who has no charisma/mic skills, but he's a believeable champion. Henry is a big bad monster and plays the character well. Also when Hardy ends up beating Henry it will make him seem a little more legit just because of Henry's legit size. I also hardly watch ECW anymore so maybe thats why I dont mind him. He is a hack who will hold the belt until someone newer and fresher can beat him, thus putting them over.

 

[chasingamy]

So far, I have no complaints about Mark Henry’s ECW title reign. In fact, I’m enjoying Henry as ECW champ infinitely more than Kane or Chavo. It’s too bad we didn’t get the mysterious, crazy Kane as champ. Boring face Kane rarely cut a promo; mostly it was just backstage shots of Kane standing alone, smiling, and laughing. He spent the majority of his 3-month run feuding with Chavo and tagging with Punk. Chavo as champ was a joke. He’s a good worker and underrated IMO, but he wasn’t credible from day one. He only won with Edge’s interference and spent his 2 months feuding with Punk, which got very old fast, then he dropped the title in like 8 seconds at WM and went on to play lapdog to Edge and Vicki.

Regardless whether he’d been jobbing for six months before becoming champ, Henry started his reign with a credible win over Kane and Show. And in the eight weeks he’s held the title, he’s already defended it more than the two previous champions did during their reigns; Henry’s defended it 3 times, Kane 2, and Chavo 2. Henry’s held his own on the mic, that is when Atlas shuts up. The strength demonstrations are a refreshing break from the cliché drinking/arm wrestling contests. I thought he’d just squash guys week in and out, but he hasn’t. He and Hardy put on a good 14-minute match this week on ECW. And with Henry as champ ECW’s ratings are the highest they’ve been all year. Based on my calculations, ECW has averaged 1.425 with Henry as champ (Chavo averaged 1.3 and Kane 1.15). All in all, Henry’s doing alright so far.

 

[rookie]

yeha i also think henry is doing a some-what good as ecw champ. i hope he doesn't loose to matt hardy because i love matt and all but he is onyl good as a chaser. loosing it to morrison or miz would be good but henry is doing far better than i tought.

 

[wwefan49]

Im completely ok with Mark Henry as the ECW Champion. He's deserved this for a long time. Crappy gimmicks like Sexual Chocolate and watching Mae Young give birth to a hand. It's about time he became Champion. Granted its sad because they probably only gave it to him because of the racial incident with Micheal Hayes. None the less he's a great worker. He put on a great match with Matt Hardy on ECW this week. He's drawn more as champion than his last 2 predecessors and defended the title more. He will probably drop the strap to Matt Hardy down the line after demonstrating his dominance as the World's strongest champion. Only to lose because of Hardy's never say die attitude. I expect Hardy vs Morrison to be the big feud on Tuesday Nights this year but Hardy has to win the title first.

 

[bigdogg1991]

Out of the past 3 ECW champions, Henry has been the best out of the lot IMO.. Kane and Chavo bored the hell out of me. I know everyone is looking forward to a Hardy v Morrison fued for the title, but I think Henry should keep the title for a little longer and maybe drop the title to Hardy further down the road or even to Finlay

 

[DJ]

When I first heard Henry won the title I thought "Dear god ECW has officially gone down the shitter.".How wrong I was.Henry has been one hell of a ECW Champion.He has the monster look,the great backaround and can cut a decent promo.He sort of reminds me of a early Bill Goldberg.Now I'm happy for the guy - after years of bullcrap gimmicks and Mae Young giving birth to a hand and injurys he has finally reached the top.(well not the true top...but still pretty good).I'm also loving the way he's being built up.Everyone's out to get him and Henry can only trust himself and Atlas.And its going to be interesting to see who takes the title of Henry.Hardy?Finlay?Miz?Morrison?Its wide open.

 

[simpsons_fanatic742]

ECW Champion: Mark Henry
I don't mind him as champion to be honest. He's not terrible on the mic or in the ring, but not good either. I think he's a good champion right now, but not for too long. I can see Hardy taking the belt off him and then Morrison getting involved. Or Morrison could get involved with Henry. Either way I see those 3 in the title picture.

 

[klunderbunker]

Henry looks like he's a short term champion from thsi point on, but I'm not sure if its better to drop it to Hardy. As was proven by his US title reign, Hardy is better at chasing the belt than ever actually getting it. He'd be a good champion, but I'm not sure how much I want to see it. Henry is a better champion than I expected, but Tony Atlas still just doesn't make much sense to me. Henry's doing ok, and he suits the monster role perfectly. His match on Tuesday was decent. I'm looking forward to the title switch when it happens, but not the reign that follows.

 

[Tim]

So now Hardy's the champ. I don't think that he'll have a long reign personally. Hardy seems to be better at chasing the belt than actually defending it, like KB said. He's a good champion, but who is left for him to face after Henry? Mike Knox? Miz and Morrison are still in a tag team, so it won't be them. Basically, he's already run out of challenges, because I don't want to see Knox get a chance at the belt. I don't think this reign will last long, but then again there aren't many people who could take it off him. So I have no idea where the WWE is going with this. I hope they do.

 

[Dead Kennedy]

Matt Hardy

Matt's US Championship reign earlier this year flopped. Matt's a good worker who can pretty much work a good match with any guy his size. Putting the ECW Championship on Matt during a Scramble match was a pretty good way to get the belt off of Henry and still maintain Henry looking strong.

His opening promo as champion was really bad though, and I had a real bad feeling from the get-go. However, I think it's turned out pretty good so far - good TV matches, a decent re-match feud with Henry and of course a clean win over the "World's Strongest Man." He's done a damn fine job so far, even with the slightly bad promos and segments. I'm definitely enjoying it and it's nice to see the ECW Championship back in the hands of a proper face. Future feuds with Miz, Morrison or even the newcomer Jack Swagger would be awesome to witness. Matt has already done a better job as ECW Champion than he did as US Champion.

 

[Crush1]

I dont say i hate Matt Hardy but i would rather see someone like the Miz as champion.
The reason is i find Hardy really boring on ECW is because he has the same promo's, ring work, haircut, and signature move.

But its not all Hardy's fault that he's not entertaining enough as a champion on ECW its just that he has had a big boring monster as his number one contender. Mark Henry bores the hell out of me and he certainly does not do anything good with Hardy or ECW talent.

When Hardy moved over to ECW i was pretty excited, i thought that he was going to feud with Morrison Or the Miz. And that got my hopes up for a split of the two making the main storyline on ECW a Hardy, Miz, Morrison feud, and maybe Bourne later on but instead... we got Henry.

Hardy has the ingredients to be a succesfull wrestler in the company, its just that he hasnt changed his gimmick for over 3 years. The guy needs to upgrade his ring work by doing other moves than the usual. He needs to change his haircut to something like spikes, and he needs to drop the twist of fate as his finisher if he wants to break loose as just one member of the Hardy Boyz.

But as it is now i cant see a possible change, i just hope that after Cyber Sunday Hardy moves on and feuds with someone fresh. And that Henry dissapears from ECW. They already have Mike Knox and Jack Swagger as a monster who should be pushed instead. After all thats what ECW's goal is, to push young wrestlers.

I dont think the viewers will put up with yet another Hardy-Henry feud, because you cant put two boring wrestlers together. The faster Henry dissapears on ECW the better for hardy, the viewers, the talent and ecw.

 

[Dagger Dias]

Hardy deserves this title run. I hope he retains for a while, and here's to hoping for a feud later on with Morrison!

 

[JackAttack]

I agree completely that Matt needs to feud with someone other than Mark Henry. Don't get me wrong, their matches have exceeded my expectaions thus far, its just that there are so many better people to feud with. Morrison, Miz, Swagger, all would probably be better than another match with Henry.

As far as who the next ECW champion should be, I would like to see Morrison with another title reign.

However, what would be even better is Morrison winning the title, then dropping it to The Miz. The two should probably break apart soon anyway, seeing as they have such bright futures as singles wrestlers, and the Miz probably deserves a title run more than anyone else in ECW.

 

[Checkmate]

I think it should be a matter of how to make the ECW title more significant.

If Hardy keeps the belt for a while, which he likely will, and is chased by a number of different viable contenders and still remains champion, he will be viewed as both a credible champion and will bring prestige to the title. Hardy is usually good at taking the ball and running with it. This situation is perfect for him to show off how much he has improved through his career, as well as allow the younger or refurbished talent of ECW to show how good they are at chasing the title.

Evan Bourne, Ricky Ortiz, Jack Swagger, John Morrison, The Miz, Finlay, Mark Henry, and some others that could be brought to ECW could all push the level up on the ECW title. Frequent title changes are fit for a midcard title, so a longer title reign would benefit this belt, as it would allow it to resemble a top tier championship.

The stars of ECW aren't main event calibur yet, but with Hardy as champion, and enough good feuds over the belt, the ECW championship scene could be more than just a PPV opener.

 

[Crush1]

I think it should be a matter of how to make the ECW title more significant.

The ECW title has already lost any signifigance it once had, because of the title change. Vince Mcmahon never intended for the ECW title to be of some value, and now that they changed it from the original into the silver ECW title, it points out that the title is just like the IC, US, Championships.

If Hardy keeps the belt for a while, which he likely will, and is chased by a number of different viable contenders and still remains champion, he will be viewed as both a credible champion and will bring prestige to the title.

Its true that if Hardy kept the title and is chased by different contenders the show will be more entertaining but, when Hardy was the US Champion the IWC pointed out that his title reign was boring, and as i said earlier the ECW title is just another US, IC Belt. So that means that Hardy doesnt exactly bring much value to the title but more to the brand.

Hardy is usually good at taking the ball and running with it. This situation is perfect for him to show off how much he has improved through his career, as well as allow the younger or refurbished talent of ECW to show how good they are at chasing the title.

I think you're wrong because Hardy brings much more when he's a title chaser. As his last reign as a US champion was dissapointing because he didn't show what he was worth. And if he turned into a heel he would be a much more entertaining wrestler than as a face. But i do agree that Hardy has a chance to prove himself again on ECW and creative seems to give him that time to improve. I just think he would be much better off as a heel.

Evan Bourne, Ricky Ortiz, Jack Swagger, John Morrison, The Miz, Finlay, Mark Henry, and some others that could be brought to ECW could all push the level up on the ECW title. Frequent title changes are fit for a midcard title, so a longer title reign would benefit this belt, as it would allow it to resemble a top tier championship.

Yes you have a point here. If only the ECW creative team would just push their younger stars more instead of the old ones like Mark Henry and Finlay the show would be much more better and entertaining.

The stars of ECW aren't main event calibur yet,

Most of the ECW talent arent even close to being main event superstars.

but with Hardy as champion, and enough good feuds over the belt, the ECW championship scene could be more than just a PPV opener.

I agree that the ECW Championship is a pay-per-view opener because the feuds arent that good. But its also due to the fact that the feuds dont get much time and attention because ECW is a developement brand. They have to make sure that most of the roster wrestles on the brand. So i dont think there will be changing the PPV lineup anytime soon.