Raw Champions Discussion Thread

[hinkey1]

John Cena is a great WWE champion. He gets the best crowd reaction of everyone on the roster. What most people don't know is how humble he is as a person. Check out this interview I found of him from 2005, about a month after he first won the title:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKNKL1nbFJ4

 

["Cool Guy" Jensen]

Ok, so I have been waiting to add to this post for months, but I wanted the year to almost end, before I say what I want about Raw's champions and make sure no title changes would occur.

World Heavyweight Champion: John Cena. Cena is a 4-time World Champion and has shown that he has what it takes to carry the show. We also know that Cena makes a way better champion than he does a challenger, which makes sense how WWE likes to give him long title reigns. If you look, Cena has never properly lost his titles... Edge beat Cena for WWE Title at NYR 05 after Cena was involved in a brutal Elimination Chamber match. RVD beat Cena at ONS 06 after Edge interfered and then Cena was stripped of the title in 07 due to injury. Now, I think that this will be the title reign that Cena loses cleanly... but to who? Orton? Jericho? JBL? Who knows?

Intercontinental Champion: William Regal. I am okay seeing Regal as champion, but he needs to defend it more often. He's been champ for almost 2 months and hasn't defended it once. He is set to defend the gold next week on RAW against C.M. Punk and only then can we see if Regal is a dominant champion. Anyway, have you noticed that the IC Title has been held by 4 international people in a row (Jericho, Kingston, Santino, and Regal)?

Women's Champion: Beth Phoenix. I feel that the Women's division is the strongest on RAW nd has the most possibilities. A Beth/Melina fued is about the restart, but where does that leave the other talented divas, like Candice, Mickie, Katie Lea, and Jillian? More multi-diva matches over the title would work wonders as Beth would go through all-comers, until someone (hopefully Candice!) finally snatches the gold away from her.

World Tag Team Champions: The Miz and John Morrison. Just when you think that there is nothing left for the team to do and they need to break up, WWE comes up with a brilliant idea for Miz and Morrison. I hate Morrison as a person and I'm fne with Miz, but as a team... you can't top that. There are not many tag teams for Miz/Morrison to feud with, but I'm hoping that WWE will figure something out something before that 2009 WWE Draft, so that they could split up and be singles wrestlers again.

 

[Y 2 Jake]

I fail to see why Regal was given the title. He got the belt in Manchester because he's English. Err, yeah but nobody gives a shit about Regal in England, and Santino was way more over. So poor decision all round. Regal then proceded to get pinned in about 10 seconds at Survibvor Series, then he developed the shits or something.

End result is Punk wins the belt, well he could have just beat Santino. The tournament could have still happened, and Santino could have got himself D.Q.'d two weeks in a row before Punk beat him.

 

[Khalifa]

Yeah I agree Jake. What was the point of Regal getting it. Santino could of got some respectability with having 2-3 more months. But nope William has to win the title because it's in his hometown. I believe CM Punk will get a long title reign here. Just to see how he holdds up. They will also give him alot of title defenses because this guy isn't going anywhere unlike Jeff Hardy and Chris Jericho were. CM Punk will be a great champion and will hopefully have a lenghty run with the belt.

 

[Y 2 Jake]

Santino was over and actually made the title appear important. Regal didn't. Fans didn't care about him, unlike Santino. He won by cheating, just like Santino.

When Santino had the title he talked about it and focused on it. Which is something that nobody has done since Randy Orton.

 

[Khalifa]

Santino was over and actually made the title appear important. Regal didn't. Fans didn't care about him, unlike Santino. He won by cheating, just like Santino.

When Santino had the title he talked about it and focused on it. Which is something that nobody has done since Randy Orton.

Yeah i know. I was saying that Santino actually amde the title better but he just didn't get the reign he needed. With Regal tho, he got a reign that wasn't needed and just killed the title with having only 2 title defences. But i think CM Punk will more likely just stay with the IC and not go and challenge for other titles.

 

[CCS]

World Heavyweight Champion: John Cena's a good champion. He brings a lot of hype and prestige to the title. He's only been champion for a few months but it's already been a good reign. I expect Cena to hold the title to at least Wrestlemania where he'll probably lose it to Randy Orton. But untill then, I'm just going to sit back and enjoy his reign.


Intercontinental Champion: Last night CM Punk won the I-C title. I'm pretty excited for him being midcard champion. I think he can bring a lot of buzz to the belt, that's something it hasnt had in a long time. I dont really know how long his run will be but I'm hoping for a Wrestlemania 25 match against Rey Mysterio for the strap.


World Tag Team Championships John Morrison and Miz are good champ's. They're young, atheleric, funny, and all around great. They should have a pretty good run with the titles. I really dont know who they can lose the titles to, so I guess they'll keep them for a while.

 

[Pimpin]

World Heavyweight Champion Even though I don't like Cena I will admit that his title reign hasn't been that bad. It just seems that this title reign is probably the best one he has had but I could be wrong cause it doesn't seem as boring as the other three reigns.

Intercontinental Champion I'm excited that CM Punk is the Intercontinental Champion. I think with him as the champ the belt could be important again like it was back in the day. It's questionable on how long he will be allowed to hold the strap but hopefully he gets to defend it at wrestlemania 25 against a credible decent opponent.

World Tag Team Champions The Miz & Morrison are good champs. Their reign could be as great as their WWE Tag Team Championship reign. I can't think of any credible tag teams that can beat them right now so I think they should keep the belts for now.

 

[Luten]

Is it just me?? or does the WH Title seem really flat now that Cena has it?..I'm not a huge fan of the guy but I'm also not the type of fan who goes on and on about how Cena shouldn't be Champion..

But since Cena's been WH Champion the belt seems to have gone very stale very fast.

Anyone else agree?

 

[Khalifa]

No i think it is great having it on Cena. The title hasn't gotten much good for it since Jericho lost it at cyber Sunday and with Cena having a "lengthy" reign it will just bring back some credibilty to the title. The title was getting "hit" around like a Cricketball at a 20/20 cricket match it just wasn't staying in the same spot for very long. I actually thought it got stale when Jericho had it the second time. With Cena having the belt this brings up some new feuds like Cena/Batista, Cena/Kane, Cena/Orton (again), Cena/Rey and so on. Where as with Jericho having the belt ihe would only have Rey left to feud with unless he had another heel to feud with which would be terrible. Cena with the belt is the bets option right now.

 

[TheOneBigWill]

The answer to your question is NO!

While the Championship isn't seemingly very exciting right now, on John Cena, that's because it's not exactly meant to be. Heavyweight Championships are often more exciting on heels because the face is chasing so hard after them. Heels don't chase well, because they aren't and shouldn't be put in the role of a chaser.

It's extremely hard to find mention of feuds between a face and a heel, where the face has held the Championship and feuded with the same heel for over 2-3 monthes. I think in recent memory, only Edge & Randy Orton were given those roles. Orton chased Cena, yet did things that ironically made Cena chase Orton. Whereas Edge played a role that just "gave" him rematch after rematch, which set it's own story up.

John Cena isn't doing anything exciting right now, because I think the W.W.E. is learning to not fully shove Cena as Champion down our throats nearly as hard as they did the last time. Right now though, there is much flare surrounding the Championship, you just have to look for it.

J.B.L.'s "chase" for gold is workable, but not exactly thrilling. Wait until after the Royal Rumble, especially if Randy Orton ends up winning, and watch the fun for the Championship begin.. and carry all the way to WrestleMania.

 

[klunderbunker]

Negative. In this case I ask the same question that I ask of you when Cena was on his year long run with the belt: who else is there to put it on? Jericho is a failure as World Champion and he always has been. He's great and had a mind blowing year, but he's just not a good choice for the belt. JBL can't be champion just on the ground os he's bad for the title. His "time" has passed and it's not coming back. Shawn is too old to be a long term champion, and Orton has Legacy right now and just came off a long run with it last year. That leaves Cena as the only great option at the moment for the belt. Once someone is built up well enough to take it from him it'll get more exciting. Give it time.

 

[Cena's Little Helper]

The answer to your question is NO!

While the Championship isn't seemingly very exciting right now, on John Cena, that's because it's not exactly meant to be. Heavyweight Championships are often more exciting on heels because the face is chasing so hard after them. Heels don't chase well, because they aren't and shouldn't be put in the role of a chaser.

It's extremely hard to find mention of feuds between a face and a heel, where the face has held the Championship and feuded with the same heel for over 2-3 monthes. I think in recent memory, only Edge & Randy Orton were given those roles. Orton chased Cena, yet did things that ironically made Cena chase Orton. Whereas Edge played a role that just "gave" him rematch after rematch, which set it's own story up.

John Cena isn't doing anything exciting right now, because I think the W.W.E. is learning to not fully shove Cena as Champion down our throats nearly as hard as they did the last time. Right now though, there is much flare surrounding the Championship, you just have to look for it.

J.B.L.'s "chase" for gold is workable, but not exactly thrilling. Wait until after the Royal Rumble, especially if Randy Orton ends up winning, and watch the fun for the Championship begin.. and carry all the way to WrestleMania.

Luten,

I am going to go off what Will says here, as I agree with him. I understand where you are coming from though. The WHC and WWE Championship are usually the focal points of their show/brand. But, right now, on RAW, the WHC doesn't need to be front and center. You have three excellent storylines going on right now:

1) The formation of Legacy.
2) Jericho's conflict with Stephanie McMahon.
3) Shawn Michaels being a "man-servant" to JBL.

Personally, I think adding the WHC to any of these storylines, other than as a means of enhancement, would be superfluous (by means of enhancement, I mean something that serves to keep the storyline fresh and intriguing but that only plays a minor role). In my opinion, JBL's upcoming match with Cena shouldn't even really be seen as a title bout. Rather, it should be seen as a test of Shawn Michael's loyalty to JBL. And, I think it is pretty certain what the outcome of this bout, and thus the outcome of this test of loyalty, will be.

If anything, putting the belt on Cena was a smart move on the part of WWE. It has allowed them to simultaneously concentrate on other things besides the belt and still make the championship seem relevant by giving it to one of their top stars. Furthermore, I am almost certain that it will again become the focal point of RAW following the Royal Rumble.

 

[SuperKick36]

I have to agree with everyone else. Right now, Cena is the only option to have as champ and to have multiple possible storylines that could lead to varying opponents.

Cena, love him or hate him, is a damn good wrestler and works well on the mic. His character is meant to be the face, but half the audience hates him because he's like a cockroach super hero, he keeps showing up no matter what happens to save the day.

The reason why the title seems to have gotten stale, IMO, is because the feud Cena is in right now is with a guy who's wrestling abilities are limited and repetitive. The last time I saw JBL put on a great match was his feud with Eddie on Smackdown, and that's just because Eddie could put on a great match PERIOD.

If JBL's wrestling skills were as good as his real life business skills, then he would be like a giant Rey Mysterio.

 

[My$terio_Fan]

Women's Champion: Melina

While I liked Beth's run with the belt, it was pretty uneventful so it was time for a change. Melina was the obvious best choice. Mickie had just been champ not too long ago, Kelly is good and improving but she'll probably get the WM playboy spot so she's out, and Candice has done next to nothing since she came back and has been relegated to 4th top face(after Mickie, Melina, Kelly)so Melina who just came back from injury was a great choice.

It helped that Melina & Pheonix had a very great and heated feud before Melina was injured. I'll admit that Melina lost alot of the buzz and support from the fans once she returned(before her injury she was getting great reaction)but she still is a very competent and good champion. While I like face Melina, I kind of want her to go back to heel soon. Melina excels at being a bitch and is solid on the mic which just adds to her heat. She had a good run at face but they should turn her back so she can feud with Kelly at WM(she has numerous times bashed PB cover girls).

I hope Melina get's a decent reign, with a good storyline where she can excel at and prove she is one of the best overall workers in the WWE diva's division today.

 

[Jane]

OK, I will just give my thoughts...

World Heavyweight Champion-John Cena God, I hope he loses the title at No Way Out. He's a good guy, good wrestler and all that, but he needs to give up the title hunt. He is in little fueds once in a while, but thats it. Than back in the number one contender or championship seat. I'm hoping he won't headline another Wrestlemania.

Intercontinental Champion-CM Punk I'm not a huge fan of Punk, but I like the idea of him with the title, because he brings credibility. They might have just done it to make him the fastest triple crown, but it works for me. Maybe the title will be defended at Wrestlemania! LOL jk.

Tag Team Champions-Miz and Morrison They make a good team. Miz is the talker, Morrison the fighter. I want to see Morrison in the championship picture soon, and Miz as a mid-carder. But for now, I love the team and I am glad to see them spending time on RAW.

Woman's Champ-Melina Melina is a great wrestler, and she deserved to beat Beth. She should probably get started in a fresh fued with someone. Jillian, perhaps? She's annoying, but a good heel, and it's never been done.

 

[Softcore McLimpdick]

It is past time for Cena to be out of the title picture. I'm sick of his superhuman push. Put the title on Orton and let Legacy run the show for a while. Spend that time developing a face that the fans actually care about for Orton to put over.

 

[I own a set of balls]

OK, I will just give my thoughts...

World Heavyweight Champion-John Cena God, I hope he loses the title at No Way Out. He's a good guy, good wrestler and all that, but he needs to give up the title hunt. He is in little fueds once in a while, but thats it. Than back in the number one contender or championship seat. I'm hoping he won't headline another Wrestlemania.

 God, I hope he loses the title at No Way Out.

To who? Chris Jericho? And have Chris have a match against Randy at WrestleMania 25?

Do we seriously want to see a repetition of their end of the year 2007 match? In fact, that's the worst possible option at No Way Out at this point of the game.

Giving the title to others like Kofi and Rey would not even make sense.

 He's a good guy, good wrestler and all that, but [B]he needs to give up the title hunt.[/B]

He's the World Heavyweight Champion right now, He's not hunting the title, he's defending it.

  I'm hoping he won't headline another Wrestlemania.[/B]

You better hope about something else, because at the current rate Cena's bring the haters, the kids and the women to the arena seats, he'll headline at least another 10 WrestleManias unless there's an injury in between (which is likely).

 

[RATEDRKO4LIFE]

Here's my thoughts on wwe champions
John cena (the guy is clearly gonna b around for years to come and will possibly b in th hall of fame, but why not extend his championships, e.g intercontinental title, he's been given the wwe title, world title and u.s title, i enjoyed it when he was u.s champion)
I definatley want randy orton to capture the gold sometime soon and i think he will. he's definatly one of the best atm and the legacy is gonna be amazing to watch. i suggest give orton the world title and priceless the tag team titles again.
For godness sake will the miz and morrison ever lose them belts. i like the team, there brillant but theres plently of other descent teams on raw like cryme tyme, kane and knox, that would be awesome.
CM Punk does deserve the ic title. he was a great world champion. he never gave up, keep the title punk for a good while but find knew competition.
And give Beth phenoix the womens title again.

 

[TwistofRKO]

Wouldn't make sense to delegate Cena to mid card status with the IC belt seeing as how over he is.

Cena fits the bill right now because he can sell out the arena, all the kids are crazy for him. That's why Jericho, or even Edge, never hold the belt that long. When wrestling is down they'll milk the guy who is selling tickets.

 

[Scott Free]

Shane McMahon reminds me of someone from the past, not in talent, but
in the way he's overpushed.
Anybody remember Greg Gagne ?

 

[WATSONationWWE]

john morrison for WWE champ!

 

[WATSONationWWE]

haha out of seriousness i think morrison should be drafted to raw and have a rivalry with JBL. have the fued end in JBL retiring due to morrison retiring him and have morrison walk away with the intercontinental belt. then let him get a huge push and give him the united states from smackdown. maybe let him have fueds with top talent like HBK. TAKER. EDGE. CENA. MYSTERIO. JEFF. and get so much pop that he gets on a huge roll and face whoever raws world champ is. he is quite possibly the best wrestler in WWE. id also love to see him and aj styles fued lol i know thats near impossible but it would be a great match.

 

[Y2M]

I would love to see what people see in john morrison because right now he has no wrestling move unless he in a tag team