Conspiracy Storyline - KEEP IT ALL IN HERE!

[Workrate]

It's really hard to listen to Kevin Nash on the mic.. The yelling, the silly scripted things he says, hes just down right tuuurrible.

Exactly! Last night I kept thinking to myself, "why the hell is this guy yelling everything? Can't he just speak?"

That whole segment was a debacle from beginning to end -- the anti-climactic revelation of security footage (without actually showing the footage), the silly punch, Punk's behavior throughout. Honestly, inserting Kevin Nash into this whole thing has really ruined the angle for me. They took what felt like legitimate beef between Punk, HHH, and Cena and have turned it into this manufactured thing between Punk, HHH, and Nash. When Punk speaks, I believe he really feels what he's saying. When Nash hears it and looks pissed off, I believe he's really pissed off. But as soon as Nash opens his mouth, the whole thing falls apart. I don't want to come across as another Punk fanboy, but Nash truly does seem out of touch.

Oh, and I would agree that there's still another "swerve" or two to the whole storyline. If we're supposed to truly believe that Nash sent a text to himself from HHH's phone, then that suggests he wanted to frame HHH. Right? It's not absurd that he sent himself a text if there was an alterior motive behind it. So the way I see it, there's only one or two logical avenues now:

01. HHH lied about the security footage. There is no footage and Nash's confession was fake, to cause Punk to continue asserting there is no rift between Nash and HHH.

02. HHH told the truth about the footage, Nash's plan got burst open, and they just did a really bad job of conveying that it was supposed to be a set up.

Here are the problems though: first, what reason would Nash have to set up HHH? That defies his whole character of being the outsider who does what he wants. If he wanted to attack Punk, he'd do it without needing to be asked. And he's never really been one to scheme, so why would he try and set HHH up? It just doesn't make sense.

And if #01 really is the situation and Nash and HHH are just tricking Punk... well... why? If they want to hurt him so bad, why not just jump him and beat him down? What's the point of punching and shoving each other to get Punk thinking one way -- even though he keeps insisting he's not buying it -- to then later swing around and both go after him? It doesn't make sense. It's not like if Punk loses this match with HHH anything will really happen to him.

And, of course, the idea that Punk and Nash are somehow playing HHH is stupid as well. Why on earth would anyone go into business with someone and make up a plan that calls for them forking over the championship? It isn't logical.

In short, I guess, I think they simply dropped the ball forcing Nash into this whole mess. They probably saw short-term potential from the shocked reactions of SummerSlam and some potential nostalgia of Nash merely being back in the ring, but they didn't think about the long-term ramifications, which haven't been very good.

 

[XXJJ]

After weeks of building up "who sent the text message" it was such an anti-climatic way of announcing it was Nash. . Punk is acting like a whiny spoiled baby. Nash is horrible on the mic.

I'm losing interest in this angle. I'm thinking Triple H is going to get screwed at NOC, not Punk. Triple H is coming off as the most reasonable of the 3. They better have a hell of a swerve at NOC.

 

[Matth3w]

I just want to post and say this is the greatest angle I have seen in many, MANY years from this company.

Great mic work by everyone; terrific build; and hopefully a terrific payoff match. I might contemplate ordering NoC....

Nash sending the text to himself was a bit lame, but the only logical choice I guess.

 

[LSN80]

I just want to post and say this is the greatest angle I have seen in many, MANY years from this company.

Great mic work by everyone; terrific build; and hopefully a terrific payoff match. I might contemplate ordering NoC....

Nash sending the text to himself was a bit lame, but the only logical choice I guess.

Youre being sarcastic, right? Please tell me youre not this dumb.....

This is the least logical way this could have played out. According to both Nash and HHH, HHH left tickets for Nash and WillCall, and didnt speak to him again for the rest of the night. So Nash knew the exact time to sneak into HHH's office, conveniently find his cell phone, and text himself? With the notion that this was simply done to "Make the WWE cool again?" C'mon now. I'm not ready to jump the shark on this storyline, however, because of one thing.

I don't believe the reveal that Nash sent the text is truly the payoff of the mystery surrounding who ordered the beatdown on CM Punk.

I believe HHH was behind the sending of the text all-around. His unbiased officiating showed him miss a blatant call with John Cena's foot on the rope. If I were to guess, Id say that HHH blew the call on purpose. He knew that some point in the match there would be a place for Cena to be "screwed" where it wouldn't appear blatant, and the foot on the ropes was that moment. It wasn't personal with John Cena, it was simply a way for HHH to get the belt off the man who had been antagonizing him in CM Punk, knowing full well Del Rio would cash in following Nash's run-in.

Consider the possibility: HHH fired Nash earlier Monday night, then promptly made the match between he and Punk a No-DQ match. Nash, as previously mentioned, was signed to a lucrative, guaranteed contract by John Laurinitis. This means that despite HHH firing Nash, Nash is still under contract. And the match between HHH and Punk conveniently became No DQ just after Nash was fired. HHH put up his position as COO rather quickly, without hesitation. One would think he's pretty darn confident he's going to win the match, and what better way to ensure that is by having around a 7 foot, 300 lb insurance policy? I do think Punk will be proved to be right--Nash and HHH have been in this together from the beginning. Punk would be foolish if he didn't bring his own backup, but I think the true Nash/HHH alliance will be enough for HHH to win this match.

 

[CM_PUNK1995]

I gotta agree with you, where the hell does Nash fit in with all of this? Considering he's fired now (he's really just working on a movie, he'll be back) maybe he'll come back with Sean Waltman and Scott Hall. Honestly I've got no idea, the best thing I could think up was him coming back around the Royal Rumble and fueding with triple h and then we might see Nash vs Triple H at WM28.

You got to be kidding. I'd rather see Undertaker-MVP than HHH-Nash at WM28.
Nash isn't medically fit to be in a match, let alone to win the Rumble and main event 'Mania.

As for Scott Hall, I doubt he is ever sober enough to be involved in any match.

I never said that Kevin Nash was going to win the royal rumble, I meant to say he could return around January or February and start something with hhh, and your probably right about Scott Hall ... lol

 

[SD619]

I gotta agree with you, where the hell does Nash fit in with all of this? Considering he's fired now (he's really just working on a movie, he'll be back) maybe he'll come back with Sean Waltman and Scott Hall. Honestly I've got no idea, the best thing I could think up was him coming back around the Royal Rumble and fueding with triple h and then we might see Nash vs Triple H at WM28.

You got to be kidding. I'd rather see Undertaker-MVP than HHH-Nash at WM28.
Nash isn't medically fit to be in a match, let alone to win the Rumble and main event 'Mania.

As for Scott Hall, I doubt he is ever sober enough to be involved in any match.

 

[TWJC: The Beginning]

I definately think HHH is going to get screwed.

You could have a role reversal. HHH gets screwed by Nash, so now it looks like it could have been a CM Punk plot all along, sacrificing one of Vince's "imaginary brass rings" to achieve a greater position of power. You' have a motive too because it's believable that Nash was just pissed at HHH. Even more questions raised, more interest in the feud.

I still feel like this feud needs someone else. Someone who no one is thinking about (most people) to be behind a lot of what's going on.

 

[Workrate]

I definately think HHH is going to get screwed.

You could have a role reversal. HHH gets screwed by Nash, so now it looks like it could have been a CM Punk plot all along, sacrificing one of Vince's "imaginary brass rings" to achieve a greater position of power. You' have a motive too because it's believable that Nash was just pissed at HHH. Even more questions raised, more interest in the feud.

I don't understand why people think CM Punk and Nash are somehow in on this together. The storyline started with Punk being cost the WWE Championship. That alone defies all logic that the two are working together. Even if WWE were to end up revealing it that way, well then, they're just stupid.

The other thing that always bothers me about swerve angles is that there's always someone taking a beating when, if two people were really working together, the strategy probably wouldn't involve one of those people getting their ass kicked. So, if CM Punk and Nash are going to partner up, why'd Nash jackknife Punk a couple times? You mean to tell me their union had to be so secretive that Punk was willing to get dropped on his head a few times to sell it? Why would HHH, Cena, or anyone else even suspect those two teaming up in the first place? It didn't take some slight of hand attacks to sell the improbability that they might be in cahoots together.

 

[LOUakaME]

Thats my theory. Its Nash, Johnny Ace, and CM Punk. During the Punk/HHH match, Nash will come down and presumably help HH, but will really screw HHH to help Punk win, causing HHH to lose his power in the company. THIS will be revealed to be Punks plan all along. He'll say that its not about having the WWE Championship because he's been there and done that. Its about shaking things up. He'll reveal that he's been working with Johnny Ace all along to dethrone Vince, and now HHH. This will form the new faction in the WWE. What it will be called, I dont know. But It will be Johnny Ace, Nash, and CM Punk to start. Tahts my theory.

 

[Sheamus' Suntan]

Ok. I'll be honest, not watched this weeks yet...but this whole thing seems like a goddamn mess. I've read the results reports...that's enough for me.

First things first; drop the ball much, or is this just a further work? Nash sending the text to Nash DOESN'T work for me, doesn't cut it as a proper pay off to the angle of the year. What we NEED from it is a proper resolution - that someone sent the text to Nash...

HHH's phonecall was likely fake. If not, who called HHH? It was a "strange phone call", that makes no sense. To me at least, it reeks of desparation to get ANOTHER old face into this mess. What's the betting Foley turns up in 2 weeks time and says he called HHH? Something odd is going to happen that makes little to no sense.

On top of that. "To make WWE cool again." Serious? REALLY? Nash, make wrestling cool again? Because there's NOTHING cooler than a 52 year old with weak knees making a return to wrestling.

Nash had the cool interference that gave everyone a huge mark out moment...but I feel things got confused and convoluted at the start of this angle. I mean; Punk wins the WWE title then loses it to ADR after Nash attacks him. So Cena gets angry at the fact ADR won the title from Punk...Punk though is FINE with it and is happy with the fact ADR cashed in the briefcase but wants revenge on a 52 year old who can't wrestle anymore, so gets put into a match with HHH which becomes a no DQ match which will see 50,000 interferences and probably an appearance from a doped up ref...or something like that.

See it's becoming TOO MUCH. There's far too much involved in the angle and I think it's confusing EVERYONE. This angle now is a case in point that the writers NEED to write things MONTHS in advance...and get things properly planned because it's FEELING like it's written week to week and it's just getting iffy. Moments in the storyline are beginning to feel unbelievable which ruins the kayfabe behind it which in turn ruins our interest.

I just hope they manage to reswerve this thing.

 

[Odisho]

Docter's told nash to stay away from physical ring performances, WWE is just gonna use him kinda like they did with Ric Flair, just have him around and involved in story lines with out competing

 

[Jack-Hammer]

The OP is pure fantasy booking at its worst. Don't think of Kevin Nash and what he was able to do 15 years ago but look at him now and what he's ultimately capable of bringing to the table.

Anyone who watched Kevin Nash while he was in TNA knows that his ability inside the ring is severely limited. He never was that spectacular in his prime let alone now after having, I believe, to have had over 20 knee surgeries? He's slow, he's clumsy and his mobility is pretty limited. Remember during the contract signing for Triple H vs. CM Punk for NOC? Nash came out and did a few things inside the ring, including landing a big boot to CM Punk, and was limping noticably when he left the ring to head backstage.

Kevin Nash still has his name and his promo ability, but let's not try to pretend that he's a viable force as an in-ring pro wrestler. Use the guy as a mouthpiece as part of a faction or put him on commentary or, just possibly, something to do with the creative process or as a road agent. Nash can potentially contribute a lot to WWE but not as an in-ring wrestler. The fact that he happens to be in great shape and can still work out in the gym doesn't mean that he can get inside the ring and put on a competitive match. He MIGHT, just MIGHT, be able to work a decent match if put in with the right opponent on very rare occassions.

 

[This Is My Name Thank You]

As much as I wouldn't mind seeing Nash vs Taker at WM it shouldn't happen and probably won’t happen. This match would have been good a few years back. Nash is now MR. Hobbles, in my eyes. Every time Nash walks towards the ring it looks like he is holding in a shit or something as he seems to be in major pain. He hit Punk with a huge boot to only have himself in more pain. Smart move? Not really as it put himself in probably more pain than he already is. Keep Nash in storylines and out of the ring. He is horrible now and shouldn't be wrestling. Only thing Nash has is mic ability which at times doesn't even seem that it’s there. He has a hard to speaking off the script as it looks like he is uncomfortable speaking. So unless he is unscripted he really is losing his mic skills too.

 

[wewantchange]

i think nash should dye his hair blondish with a little bit of brown like in wcw. the last month in august his promos were good but he just seemed to winny like complainined too much, we need the laid back i dont give a shit what u think attitude like when he came back in \03 against hhh or just have the same attitude he had in wcw let nash be nash. if he can't perfom too much right now then let him just powerbomb people cuz he has the best powerbomb in the history of wrestling imo. there vicious he doesnt just slam people he straight throws them to the mat.
but if he were to wrestle save it for survivor series and wrestlemania 28. not little ppvs that dont matter. have him in the tag match at surv series and have him face either big show or kane at wmm 28...

 

[InsomGTS]

Nash is over the hill and shouldn't even be on WWE TV. He belongs in the retirement home known as TNA. Pisses me off that he just comes in and keeps giving the jacknife to Punk and then leaves.

 

[LSN80]

WHy not give Kevin Nash a storyline contract and use him as Kevin Nash? No offense, put this is a pipe dream my friend, and I think youre largely misinformed my friend. Were you aware that the original Night Of Champions Match was to be Kevin Nash vs CM Punk. But when the logisitics of the match were revealed in that Nash would have to go over 20 minutes without interference, he backed out due to health reasons regarding his knees. Nash is old, he's up there with the Sting's of the world in that he simply can't work a proper match anymore. The only possible way the NOC match could have been worked is this: Do you remember Summerslam 2009 when Christian defeated Regal in 8 seconds? Something like that.

The problem is this: CM Punk isn't William Regal. Effort and time have been put into making Punk the hottest entity in the company. He's beaten John Cena as clean as one can on back to back PPV's. Under your scenario, intended or not, Nash would have either had to beat Punk in under a minute with the Jacknife, or Punk beat Nash with the GTS. Since neither scenario makes for a compelling buy, what's the point?

This isn't the early 30's Nash from his former stint with WWE, or even the late 30's version from the glory days of the NWO. Nash is 52 years old. How many men in their fifties do you know that can work capable matches? Look at Sting. He and Nash are the same age, and he can't work worth a lick. And Sting is in shape AND hasn't has upwards of 10 knee surgeries. This idea is just a trainwreck waiting to happen.

As for him being over and good on the stick, I beg to differ again.Did you see his promo work when he was in the ring with Punk and HHH? He looked and sounded like it was his first promo over as he stumbled over his words. Noone cares about Nash, as most of the younger generation(18 and under, the largest demo) doesn't have a clue who he is. When he got fired, he left to crickets man, crickets.

The only possible way to bill Nash and have him work inside the ring would be ton build him as an absolute destroyer. Raw's Mark Henry, without the ten minute matches. Think more of Goldberg. When he was in WCW, when did he ever work more then a 3 minute squash? Thats what you would need to see from Nash. And since he has no upside, why bother?

In short, Nash is being used exactly as he should. A stooge who defies authority and beats people up in small doses. Anything more and you expose his injuries, the fact that most people don't know him, and/or that most simply don't care.

 

[IT Factor]

Nash can be used if done right. He's entertaining enough to get his storyline over and a big man presence on screen. Why not do the old bodyguard thing? Have him be Daniel Bryan's bodyguard[if DB turns and they are on the same show]. How about having Diesel as The Miz's bodyguard? That would keep Nash relevant without having him take up roster space someone else should have.

 

[xoxo French Kiss xoxo]

Kevin Nash should be as far away from WWE TV as humanly possible. His promo work during that month, was absolutely terrible, the only person worse than him cutting promos was John Morrison.. wait he doesn't even get a chance to talk he's so awful.

Nash would be extremely limited in the ring, first of all because he's not good in the ring, secondly because he's old, third injuries, fourth Nash isn't/wasn't/hasn't ever been a good wrestler, fifth he has trouble enough walking to the ring, let alone wrestling in one.

Nash's time is over, he brings nothing, and I mean absolutely nothing to the WWE in terms of interesting story lines and matches. He's best suited for an off camera role in the back, away from the active wrestling roster

 

[BigPoppaPunk]

Kevin Nash can be a good thing for WWE if used in the proper manner. Meaning, not allowing him to call his own shots like in WCW. As long as he's putting over young talent and being productive on TV, I see no reason for WWE not to use him. After all, he is receiving a paycheck from his Legends deal, so I say let him earn it. Besides, sending him home would only be a throwback to his WCW days after they went under.

He definately shouldn't be a main eventer, but he can still contribute to the shows in a minor way.

 

[Dowdsy McDowds]

Not to be a dick, but the OP didn't actually mention how he'd be used on Raw, just named PPVs and opponents.

Anyway, I wouldn't have him involved in fleeting feuds one month to the next, I gotta believe if he's coming back it's going to be for a long-term feud with little to no ring action at all, just a stooge type character in it for the money, which is kinda how Nash seems anyway. Kept simple.

 

[metalbass]

Nash should never be in a WWE ring competing PERIOD. His time passed years ago. He was slowing down in his days with the nWo and has had way too many surgeries that he could be confined to a wheelchair if he keeps wrestling. He has done small time shows (apparently to fight for Justin LaBar, I wonder what happened to that?). He might be ok in a managerial or backstage role but beyond that it's too much Nash.

 

[The Champ]

FOLLOWING SOME ADVICE "KEEP IT SIMPLE, STUPID"

NIGHT OF CHAMPIONS: NASH VS CM PUNK (WHO SENT THE TEXT MATCH NASH LOSES)
HELL IN A CELL: NASH VS TRIPLE H (HOW THE STORYLINE SHOULD HAVE CONCLUDED)
ROYAL RUMBLE: KEVIN NASH VS BIG SHOW
ELIMINATION CHAMBER: PUT NASH IN THE MATCH AND LOSE
WRESTLEMANIA: KEVIN NASH VS. UNDERTAKER (VS BIG SHOW)

HE'S HUGE, HE'S GREAT AT PROMOS, HE'S OVER... WHY NOT GIVE HIM A DEAL AND USE HIM, NOT AS A STOOGE, BUT AS KEVIN NASH.

Not sure if serious.

This isn't TNA. The man is over 50, he shouldn't be used in such huge feuds as being in the Chamber and sure as hell not facing The Undertaker at WrestleMania. When I saw the thread title, I thought it would be a suggestion on how to use him less, because that's what should be happening. They should either use him sparsely, in a limited role, or not at all. Having a 50 something year old man main eventing pay-per-views and being involved in major programs with top stars is nothing but counter productive to the youth movement.

 

[Mustang Sally]

Nash came out and did a few things inside the ring, including landing a big boot to CM Punk, and was limping noticably when he left the ring to head backstage.

It's been a problem for years. I still worry he's going to tear his ACL just walking up the steps to the ring.

But a post like this one was inevitable, no? Someone signs a Legends contract, makes one initial appearance at Royal Rumble.....then is gone for months and months. He shows up one day in a brief confrontation, and now there are forum members who are ready for him to begin a full schedule of PPV appearances.

Face it, folks, this was never the intention of WWE, any more than it was their goal to put Booker T back in the ring on a regular basis...... and Booker could sooner do it than Nash.

But that's not to say there's no place for Kevin Nash. He's still a presence, a recognizable and respected figure from past WWE glory days. The way they used him for the Punk-Triple H mini-program was inspired. They made him look as if he could still go, yet required little of him physically. Perfect!

 

[IT Factor]

Nash should NEVER be main eventing. That much is quite obvious. However, if done in the proper manner, Nash can still offer the WWE something. He could be having the occasional match to put over someone and still be entertaining involved in the right storyline. As long as the man is being paid, I really can't see why so many people have a problem as long as he's contributing something. The moment he ceases to do that, then release him and give him the future endeavors routine for real.

 

[The Crock]

Woah there Dusty Rhodes, don't get too ahead of yourself with this booking. This might be the worst thing I've seen on here in ages. Congratulations.

As all the people before me have said, Nash can't work a match anymore. He's very hurt and old. The man should be used just as he is right now. He's interfering, his role is intriguing, it works. Why do you need to start over-complicating things and having him in all these matches? There's no need for it. On top of that, he and Big Show shouldn't be in the same area code. For the love of God. Nash can't work a solid match, so why not put him in there with the giant turd that is the Big Show? Makes sense to me, right? No. You'd want him in there with someone who he could run over quick or someone who could hide his flaws and take him through the match easily. Then, here's my favorite part, let's have him face Undertaker at WrestleMania. This will probably be 'Taker's last 'Mania, he shouldn't have to face what's left of Kevin Nash.

Simply put, Nash shouldn't be wrestling. He's struggled to do the few run-ins he's had. I mean, have you seen what condition he's in when it comes to his knees? He's very limited mobility-wise and he doesn't have it left. To work a match, you have to be able to consistently move, at least. Horrible idea.