CM Punk WINS The WWE Championship!!! Cena fired???

[FunKay the Inevitable]

I feel like I'm arguing with a fifth grader. CM Punk is a performer and part of his job is to be a bad guy who makes the good guys look better. Now then, if Punk proves to be a better athelete who hits better spots and cuts more clever promos, fans will cheer for him. He gets heat from marks because he's supposed to get heat from them, that's what we call show business. Those of us who like him aren't supposed to like him, he plays the bad guy but he's very good at working his matches and uses more interesting moves. Thus a more intelligent wrestling fan likes CM Punk, and a moron plays by the rules and cheers for another five knuckle shuffle.

No. Just no. CM Punk is a heel. He's supposed to be the bad guy. People boo him because he does bad things whilst portraying the bad guy. That's how wrestling works. The good guys get cheered, the bad guys get booed. CM Punk gets booed not because the people are idiots, but because he's the villain.

Whew, where do I begin. john cena is an attention ****e. He brags about signing so many autographs, and likely goes to great lengths physically to appear at so many autograph signings, because they validate his grandiose opinion of himself.

He doesn't brag about these things. He's never bragged once. It gets showcased by WWE because it makes them look good. Cena takes time out because he's a nice guy who wants to do nice things for people. I doubt John Cena has gone into a children’s hospital and met a dying kid because he wants to look good. You're an idiot for thinking that.

Wrestles more dates than anyone? So cena appearing in a show just so he can rip on the rock is the same as Daniel Bryan working three times a week? If you call what he does "wrestling", then you are in serious need of corrective vision surgery.

See, I knew this is what you'd do. Try and bring in that Cena "isn't a good wrestler". John Cena may not be technically amazing like a Daniel Bryan, but what he does is equally as important to the wrestling product as what Bryan brings. He's the guy who sells tickets. He's the guy who puts butts in seats. He's capable of having great matches and cutting excellent promos. He's doen it this year in fact..

His body becomes destroyed so often because a body meant to look pretty doesn't deal with bumps very well. I don't respect someone who fights through pain only so they can exploit that fact as justification for their lack of ever truly putting anyone else over.

Wait..? Did you just say John Cena doesn't put people over? Tell that to Wade Barrett, The Miz, R-Truth and CM Punk.

They are the same person kid. Ask yourself this; when was the last time john cena lost a match cleanly? No interference, no fluke. I can answer that, and please correct me if I'm wrong. john cena lost to randy orton in a hell in a cell match, I don't remember exactly when or what event but I do remember what happened afterward, after randy orton head punted cena. The head punt was a move that had put batista out of action for a month, john cena stood up and starred down orton as if nothing happened.

John Cena isn't supposed to lose clean. He's the big babyface. The big money draws don't lose clean and never have for the most part. Hogan and Austin very rarely lost clean. I can think of one time Hogan lost clean in his era, against Warrior at Mania VI. I can't think of any for Austin. They don't lose clean because that would damage the illusion of them being to top star. Oh and, Punk beat Cena about three weeks ago clean, without interference.

You want to say that cena is not a jackass? You want to say that cena is the hardest working man in wrestling today? Whatever the hell "it" is, I thank whatever deity made us that it doesn't occur to me because it obviously has you singing the praises of john cena.

"It" would be called fact. Everyone on the planet knows that Cena works harder than anyone else, despite the shit he takes from guys like you. Cena may not be universally loved, but he's deserving of his spot at the top.

 

[chetdawg]

A ROH stable would be absolutely epic...........if they can bring in the KoW, call up Tyler Black, use Bourne and Daniel Bryan but give them their old names..........it would be amazing........but i highly doubt it will happen. Even if it does they will feud with Cena and we all know how that goes.

 

[yoshi_doce2006]

Loved the Promo. The thing is you have to really look in Punks eyes to see it but if you do you can see that whether the Shoot was planned or not there was a lot of what he said that he believed was truth. Just because you write something and get it approved for tv doesn't mean you don't believe every word.

And what if WWE let him go out there and just work the crowd to set up the match only giving him bullet points to hit on? Punk just took it further than anyone expected him to. I believe they let Cena and a few others do that every now and then, what if this was just one of those times, and in the minds of the "Powers That Be" it backfired?

All we know right now is that Punk put on an amazing promo, shot strait from the hip, and believed a lot of, if not everything he said, all while wearing a Stone Cold T-Shirt. The locker room was in shock, the personnel in the back was in shock, and I'm sure if Cena hadnt been selling his match he would have been in shock.

Punk is the best thing going in the business today, now we see what comes of it.

 

[Dzone]

You could look at this two ways it's either a shout out to ROH which the WWE could feed off or it may be a reason for ROH stars to hate WWE and never want to go there. I really wouldn't mind a ROH stable invasion resembling Nexus because Nexus was great tv. Nice idea *would write more gtg though >.<*

 

[LittleJimmy]

Last night I sat on the edge of my couch captivated by CM Punk's promo. I have never heard such an awsome promo.....ever. Whether it was a work or shoot, who cares! It was great TV!! VKM should back a Brink's truck to Punk's house and tell him to take whatever he wants to keep him in the WWE.

 

[Sheamus' Suntan]

Im beginning to think what they SHOULD do is an angle between "real wrestlers" and entertainers...with them going more into sports entertainment, basically have a group of heels who believe themselves to be "Real wrestlers" and they cut promos against and fight against people who just want to "entertain the masses". CM Punk would be a brilliant leader, ROH guys would be incredible as the rest of the group...

 

[Blue Chipper]

I wonder how effective this promo was to a different viewing audience, the supposed majority - the "casual" fan. To us "10 % ers", it was obviously effective, and enhanced our interest in the angle, but I wonder if this enthralled the normal fan? Sure, sure, the business has changed. But, we are only supposed to make up 10 % of the wrestling audience. So, how well did the promo go over with other fans - fans who presumably only visit WWE.com (i.e., fans who don't actively look up the what's going on in terms of the inter-workings of the business and et cetera). They are supposedly not overly knowledgeable about certain aspects of wrestling and therefore would think what Punk was saying was foreign.

 

[Clem]

I absolutely loved the promo. I know it was a work and had to be approved, but I'll be damned if there wasn't alot of truth snuck in there. He really let them have it. Bravo Sir.

You know the part I appreciated most - he got to call himself a wrestler. Not a superstar. A wrestler.

I would love it if he actually had the balls to go back to Ring of Honor with the WWE Championship. How glorious a start to their new programme as to poach one of the biggest talents in the industry today. You never know, maybe Vince has decided to support ROH as the next best promotion, as a psuedo f*** you to TNA.

 

[Jack-Hammer]

And I think the only reason TNA wasn't mentioned if it was a work as WWE doesn't want to acknowledge them. Even so if it wasn't a work, there is NO WAY that Punk would go to TNA as long as the Hardy's were on the roster.

If Punk had actually mentioned TNA, then I think the idea of it actually being a work would hold mor creedence. Punk limited himself to basically insulting Vince McMahon, his daughter, John Lauranatis while mentioning Paul Heyman, New Japan & Ring of Honor because thse are all IWC hot buttons. Much of that promo was directed towards getting a rise out of the IWC and turning them into marks yet again that'll pay money to ultimately see how this plays out.

If Punk really wanted to shoot on WWE, there are any number of skeletons in the WWE's closet he could've picked that would've made Vince beyond irate. A few that spring to mind are the rumors surrounding Randy Savage & Stephanie McMahon, the overall history of drugs in WWE, the allegations that some Divas in the past had been knocked up by wrestlers and got abortions, he could have hyped the TNA product, he could have said something that the reason Big Zeke or Mason Ryan got pushes and he hasn't is because he doesn't have needle marks all over his arms and ass, etc. Believe me, if Punk wanted to seriously shoot on WWE, there are far more controversial topics he could've picked from. Besides, if it was a real shoot, then Punk's mic would've been cut off long before he'd really gotten on his roll. Nothing was said last night that Vince didn't approve of but Punk is so good on the mic that he was able to play the IWC especially like a fiddle.

At any rate, it was a fantastic promo and it's further pushed along what could be a monumental angle. If there's any potential downside here in the short term, it's that virtually nothing that'll happen on Raw next week will seem relevant. Everyone is going to be wondering what's gonna happen with the CM Punk situation and that's what they're ultimately gonna tune in for.

 

[rge2010]

The greatest promo ever? Come on guys. Yes, the words he said were awesome but the way he executed it wasn't great!!! He was way too calm for me. He should have put more emotion into it.

A great promo but nowhere near the best. Most controversial? Possibly but Heymans 'shoot' on Vince that time blows THIS out of the water.

 

[Blue Chipper]

The greatest promo ever? Come on guys. Yes, the words he said were awesome but the way he executed it wasn't great!!! He was way too calm for me. He should have put more emotion into it.

A great promo but nowhere near the best. Most controversial? Possibly but Heymans 'shoot' on Vince that time blows THIS out of the water.

Not enough emotion? Are you trolling here? Top tier actors couldn't deliver their lines more convincingly than Punk last night. Only very intricate details exposed that it was a work for me. Everything he said, emotion was behind it. Now, I don't know if he truly meant what he was saying, but he sure convinced me.

 

[Hollywood Naitch]

I would personally like to see an ROH faction, with some kind of working relationship between WWE and ROH (WWE stars appearing on the old ROH show, ROH being some kind of developmental for the WWE and benefitting their TV deal), with Punk leading the group.

BUT

We have already had the Nexus Invasion recently, we have already had Punk leading 2 factions within the last year or 2, and WWE have always been really funny about letting wrestlers use their previous ring names, so I cannot see this happening.

It would be a great way to turn Bryan heel, having him get angry over having to change his ring name, it would be a great way to introduce Tyler Black and it would be a perfect way for the Kings of Wrestling to debut with the company and take the tag team titles.

BUT

Most WWE fans (not the IWC) will have no idea as to the significance of ROH. Many wouldnt even know it exists and will have never heard or seen Black, Hero or Castagnoli, and probably not even know that Punk was in ROH. Also, would they even know Daniel Bryan was Bryan Danielson, one of the best in the world? The vasty majority of WWE fans watch WWE and that is all. The IWC would orgasm, but the crowd wouldnt really pop that much.

It is really unlikely in my eyes. However, it is something I would definitely love to see.

 

[JBShakes]

Tremendous. Just tremendous work by CM Punk, and...dare I say it? WWE creative.

I know how the mods feel about spoilers, so I won't mention anything specific, but I'll say that when you see how next week plays out, you'll see it's pretty obvious this is a work, and hopefully the start of something truly spectacular.

 

[masonwade313]

omg cm punk went straight the fuck out... that was the first time i was almost in tears saying hell yeah for a promo...and when they cut his mic i was super pissed off..wow..the first time i got that emotional about a wwe storyline since macho man and ms Elizabeth..AND THAT'S THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH

 

[Zeven_Zion]

By the way, this shoot is following the exact pattern of Paul Heyman's shoot on Vince. I guess he was told to go out there and say whatever he wants, don't mention TNA, don't go TOO far, keep it storyline relevant (the whole walking out with the belt thing), and finally say something about Vince and we'll cut your mic.

Heyman came out, took cheap shots at McMahon, spoke about this and that, kept it storyline relevant, tons of emotions, tons of truth, then talks shit about Taz, Taz comes up and locks the Tazmission on him.

Good job.

 

[Ferreira]

If CM Punk leaves World Wrestling Entertainment, which by the way I'm not certain he will, in my view will be one of the biggests assets they lose ever or even the biggest one, why?

Let's explain it to you, CM Punk's straight-edge style of life guarantees WWE that he wont have a steroids problem, he wont have a DUI, he wont have a great deal of issues that many wrestlers all over the years have had.

So CM Punk could be a poster-boy for the WWE as John Cena is. Sure, CM Punk is a heel right now, but they could turn him face right away if they wanted it. Probably Punk best work is as a heel, but that's not the focus of this thread.

Of course, WWE has lost many wrestlers over the years to injuries or death, but those don't count as people WWE lost, but rather had to leave the business, it wasn't WWE fault. This might be.

Will he return? I guess so. It will be different? Probably. I'm not saying Punk will hold a grudge against World Wrestling Entertainment, I don't see him leaving in bad terms with the company but he wont be pleased if he leaves.

Do you think that CM Punk's charisma, in-ring style and also out of the ring persona will be one of the biggests loses that WWE has ever had?

Note: I'm not referring to wrestlers that passed away or were injured in the past, those are in a different category, those weren't WWE's fault.

 

[Blue Chipper]

I think Punk has a ton of ability and is definitely an asset to the WWE. Will his leaving be impactful to the WWE? No. CM Punk is not a commonality to WWE because of his potential marketability, but because he is genuinely a good heel. There's a litany of wrestlers who can give WWE a good image. CM Punk simply knows how to work a crowd, and that is why he's an asset. He is, however, replaceable.

 

[Ferreira]

I think Punk has a ton of ability and is definitely an asset to the WWE. Will his leaving be impactful to the WWE? No. CM Punk is not a commonality to WWE because of his potential marketability, but because he is genuinely a good heel. He can work the audience. However, he is replaceable.

I understand your point.

I'm not saying people won't buy PPVs because Punk isn't in it. I'm saying that WWE is missing an opportunity, CM Punk has tons of potential, he is great in ring, one of the best in the world, no doubt about it, and also can work the mic like few others.

I do believe that WWE will lose a big asset, they could put Punk in a position of top dog of the company and be unafraid that he would screw it up with drugs or anything else because of his lifestyle.

I'm not saying: use him because he is straight-edge. The guy has already tons of talent, use him right and people will be behind him and accept him as one of the biggest faces of the company, and that's why I believe WWE is missing the boat right now...

 

[MMK]

"Hey Colt Cabana, how ya doing?" LOL. Thanks Punk.

The one RAW I decided not to watch and wouldn't you know it, Punk delivers the first classic moment in nearly a decade and I missed it. Oh well, caught the video on Wrestlezone.

Punk is one of the few wrestlers whose mic, improv, and acting skills are strong enough that he is given some leeway when it comes to delievering promos, whereas wrestlers like Morrison have to be overly scripted. So there's no doubt that this segment was scheduled to take place and more than likely was originally scheduled to be a "worked shoot". BUT I feel Punk turned the tables on them and decided to just say what he was really thinking. And thank goodness he did. There was a lot that he said that I don't think WWE would have allowed him to say if it was a complete work. Such as pissing all over there upcoming Mania main event with "Dwayne". Not to mention that "doofus son in law" remark. The segment was undoubtedly planned, but Punk clearly went off script. If it was indeed all just a work, then Punks an even better actor than I thought.

Either way, I don't care. When you're so good that you can even put that kind of doubt in viewers minds then you have&#65279; done your job very well.

 

[Blue Chipper]

I understand your point.

I'm not saying people won't buy PPVs because Punk isn't in it. I'm saying that WWE is missing an opportunity, CM Punk has tons of potential, he is great in ring, one of the best in the world, no doubt about it, and also can work the mic like few others.

I do believe that WWE will lose a big asset, they could put Punk in a position of top dog of the company and be unafraid that he would screw it up with drugs or anything else because of his lifestyle.

I'm not saying: use him because he is straight-edge. The guy has already tons of talent, use him right and people will be behind him and accept him as one of the biggest faces of the company, and that's why I believe WWE is missing the boat right now...

As a face, he's never proved to be a fan favorite to the degree you're saying that could happen. Punk could make the WWE look good, but so can a myriad of other superstars backstage. What makes you think Punk could be the figurehead of the company? Just because you think it's possible. What does he have that others don't?

 

[jgregist]

Not sure where they are heading with this, but one thing seems certain, Punk is not leaving WWE.

Sure he may "leave" but no way WWE let's him do that promo if he is truly leaving.

This is a perfect opportunity to get the McMahon's back on television with a common opponent.

Have Punk "trick" McMahon into signing a new contract with a special clause that says Punk does not have to face an opponent he has defeated in 12 months. Then when he beats Cena for the title, Cena is out of the WWE title picture for a year or as long as Punk holds the belt.

Keep the belt on Punk and have McMahon send oppoenent after opponent after him only to lose and then 4 weeks before Wrestlemania Vince could get desperate because Cena, Miz, Orton, Kane, Taker, even HHH have all lost to Punk and he may not have a WWE title match at WM 28.

Punk says he is taking WM 28 off because there is no one left, when the glass breaks and Stone Cold comes out to challenge Punk for the WWE title at WM28.

You have your 2 main events Cena-Rock and Punk-Austin.

 

[ahoyhoy]

I hate the people trying to shit on those wondering whether it is real or not. THE BEST WRESTLING COMES FROM FORGETTING REALITY. Remember Scott Hall coming out in the crowd? Stone Cold stunning his boss VKM for the first time? How was the wrestling that came after that for you? Oh, it's the best you've ever seen, you say? They were worked, so what.

I don't know if this was a work or not. I don't want to know. I like to think it was a shoot. It was a promo so good that I'm gonna tell my friends about it, people I usually talk to with shame in my voice about being a wrestling fan. Other than the end of Wrestlemania being a let down, this has been the best year in wwe/f I have seen in over 5 years, smark, mark, cynical ********, member of the iwc, fan or not.

 

[laddclan]

My immediate thoughts after Punk's promo.

He won't win the gold. He should, but he won't. They've talked an Alberto Del Rio/Cena SummerSlam match.

So who else would be a worthy main event feud for C.M. Punk to stay?


Time to Play the Game!

Tell me he didn't just set up the perfect "next feud" while establishing himself as the # 1 bad guy on the roster last night.

He even wore the Stone Cold shirt as he poked McMahon in the eye. If McMahon isn't going to go in the ring, who better than the "Doofus Son-In-Law" to be the NEW Mr. McMahon character.

WWE's summer is going to heat up if they do this right.

 

[t619]

I Found the Promo being your typical punk promo. Nothing to ride home about imo. LOL at Mentioning ROH and New Japan. Nothing against Punk i like him and said he should be next in line for a title shot. However i don't see star power about him. I see a solid upper midcarder and semi maineventer. I still think Cena is the only true star in wrestling today. With Miz the next in line.

 

[Zeven_Zion]

I Found the Promo being your typical punk promo. Nothing to ride home about imo. LOL at Mentioning ROH and New Japan. Nothing against Punk i like him and said he should be next in line for a title shot. However i don't see star power about him. I see a solid upper midcarder and semi maineventer. I still think Cena is the only true star in wrestling today. With Miz the next in line.

How you prefer Cena and Miz over CM Punk is absolutely mistifying to me. Especially after the stellar performance on Monday, and quite honestly, the stellar performances he's had since he turned heel. Punk is by far the biggest and most talented star we've had in a LONG time. Are there people better and more interesting than him? Sure, AJ Styles is better in the ring, but he's not as interesting as a personality and doesn't have the mic skills.

Sting is certainly far more interesting as a character, and his promo delivery is equal, if not better at times. However, Sting is in the closing year(s) of his career, and he's limited in the ring. Not horrible, but limited.

Mr.Anderson has fallen in the eyes of many, including myself. I feel like he's expecting people to like everything he does just because he's that guy who showed great mic skills once upon a time. He's coasting and Punk is blowing him away right now.

Miz? Miz is not better in the ring, he's boring as a character, doesn't bring anything new to the table as far as mic-work goes. Miz is overrated, just like the next guy I'll mention.

Randy Orton. Hasn't been interesting since the inception of his Viper character. Same old shit in the ring, same old shit on the mic. What a flop of a performer.

Then we have Cena. He needs to be reinvented. Quickly. Otherwise a guy like Punk could and (let's hope) WILL take his spot. If WWE's smart that is. Cena can't get on Punk's level as far as working the mic goes, don't even get me started on the in-ring aspect, and as a character? Please. The day he let his merchandise overshadow his personality was the day he lost any compelling value.

In the end, CM Punk is fairly young, in his prime, excellent on the mic, great in the ring (could work on those weak sauce kicks though), interesting as a persona and willing to bust his ass and take chances. Punk's the best right now, whether anybody likes him/it or not.

You know what the best part of this is? We finally have a bar. A guy that the wrestlers in both WWE and TNA can look at and go "I need to be this, and better". No one could say the bar was Miz, Cena, Sting, Anderson, Hardy or Orton. They all had some stuff, but lacked others. I can't see what Punk lacks.