CM Punk WINS The WWE Championship!!! Cena fired???

[Nate DaMac]

How does everybody feel about worked shoots now? See what they contribute to a product? To me, when worked shoots are used in a proper manner with proper timiing, they make classic moments. Punks is just one more to prove that. It reminded me of this:

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El-Oh-Fucking-El.

You seriously just compared one of the single greatest promos ever to a patented TNA "shoot?" Not just any shoot though, the same one that had already been done by the same damn guy before? Seriously, we may have just witnessed the birth of a Superstar, and you're comparing it to an average promo that did absolutely nothing for no one? Okay, buddy.

It's times like this when I laugh at all of the idiots around here who bitch and moan about the WWE being too predictable. When you just go around throwing out "shockers" and "swerves" every other week like TNA does, the impact is lessened because for one, it's not a surprise anymore and 2, it's usually just a swerve for the sake of a swerve with little to no sense behind it. Remember when Samoa Joe joined the Main Event Mafia? That had lasting repercussions that put Joe over the-- oh wait, that's right it did nothing whatsoever for anybody.

The WWE lulled everyone into a false sense of security by doing what was expected and putting out a solid but predictable product and when the time was right, they pulled the trigger on something huge and now the entire wrestling community is buzzing. The only time TNA had the wrestling community buzzing half as much as this was when Jeff Hardy showed up at a PPV too fucked up to perform.

Punk already had me on his side, but his promo last night sold MITB to me. No one person has done that for me in a long time. It just goes to prove that the talent and creative team in the WWE is head and shoulders above any other promotion today. Period.

 

[World Class]

One of the best promo's of the last 10 years, possibly longer. I've got a feeling it was meant to be a worked shoot, but i think Punk may have overstepped the line when he talking such as when he was mentioning Heyman or Lesnar, and also about Vince and his idiotic family and how WWE might of been better if Vince was dead.

Crazy, i'm not going to read the Raw spoilers and i'm just going to see what happens next in this thrilling angle..

 

[Sheamus' Suntan]

Yeah but with ROH we're forgetting...companies have been on bigger channels and done more hardcore style stuff (CZW, though short lived...)...so ROH won't have trouble doing hardcore battle style things but they mainly happen at PPV's anyways. Lately they've toned down loads.

It may have well been a worked shoot over scripted tbh. In hinesight that's more of what I meant. The only element of non-PG is to use the worse "Assholes" which is apparently what the bleep was.

As I said. The shoot was unique. Not as groundbreaking as people make out but unique in that it hadn't been done for a very long time.

 

[neildittmar]

C.M. Punk is wrestling. That promo last night just proved it in case anyone had any doubts. He had a lot to say, WWE handed him the microphone and he said it in one of the most exciting, compelling, and riveting ways a wrestling promoter could hope for. He successfully encompassed what an entire segment of the audience has been saying for years.

If there was ever an argument for a wrestling promoter conceeding a bit and giving a wrestler a little something extra so he stays, C.M. Punks promo last night was the evidence. Punk's promo may have been approved to go on air last night, but it certainly wasn't scripted by the WWE braintrust. Big difference there. THAT is why it was fresh, and exciting, and sparked some controversey. The "creative" suits in any entertainment industry typically "play it safe" as to appeal to the largest possible audience and pool of advertisers. Punk didn't play it safe. He's a wrestler... he doesn't have to.

My take on what the end-game is? Punk is still definitely leaving. Vince has never been afraid of taking some shots to further the business end of things. On the other hand, he has also always been a "last laugh" kind of a guy. The last laugh is when Cena beats Punk handily at the next PPV. There will be some level of humiliation there, as there is absolutely no way Vince will let Punk go out on top or even with a shred of having "got one over" on the boss. No, Punk will be dismantled and he will not walk out of the arena. I'm thinking something of Muhammad Hassan proportions. Cena will be the saviour of the company and the WWE Universe will return to life as normal the next night on RAW. Horray for Vince, he "won" again.

What Punks promo displayed last night was certainly a nice dream. Unfortunately, Vince and WWE Creative represent the alarm clock that's going to wake us all up sooner rather than later.

 

[kizarny]

the difference between punk's worked shoot and TNA's worked shoot is that punk doesn't do a worked shoot every week. Punk's promo was awesome because no one was expecting it, and it blurred the line between kayfabe and reality, causing some fans to think "is he actually going off on the company right now?"

TNA on the other hand does it so frequently that you know for sure it was approved by creative before hand, taking away any impact (lolz) from the "shoot"

 

[enviousdominous]

C.M. Punk is wrestling. That promo last night just proved it in case anyone had any doubts. He had a lot to say, WWE handed him the microphone and he said it in one of the most exciting, compelling, and riveting ways a wrestling promoter could hope for. He successfully encompassed what an entire segment of the audience has been saying for years.

If there was ever an argument for a wrestling promoter conceeding a bit and giving a wrestler a little something extra so he stays, C.M. Punks promo last night was the evidence. Punk's promo may have been approved to go on air last night, but it certainly wasn't scripted by the WWE braintrust. Big difference there. THAT is why it was fresh, and exciting, and sparked some controversey. The "creative" suits in any entertainment industry typically "play it safe" as to appeal to the largest possible audience and pool of advertisers. Punk didn't play it safe. He's a wrestler... he doesn't have to.

My take on what the end-game is? Punk is still definitely leaving. Vince has never been afraid of taking some shots to further the business end of things. On the other hand, he has also always been a "last laugh" kind of a guy. The last laugh is when Cena beats Punk handily at the next PPV. There will be some level of humiliation there, as there is absolutely no way Vince will let Punk go out on top or even with a shred of having "got one over" on the boss. No, Punk will be dismantled and he will not walk out of the arena. I'm thinking something of Muhammad Hassan proportions. Cena will be the saviour of the company and the WWE Universe will return to life as normal the next night on RAW. Horray for Vince, he "won" again.

What Punks promo displayed last night was certainly a nice dream. Unfortunately, Vince and WWE Creative represent the alarm clock that's going to wake us all up sooner rather than later.

Could not have said most of that better myself. Bravo my friend.

My only arguement is in how they'll let CM Punk go. In the past, when fans were cheering for syd over hogan, vince would dub their cheers out of the broadcast and make syd behave like a villain. They've tried to make CM Punk look like a villain, they even tried to make him look shoddy in the ring. After the whole straight edge society angle and losing his hair, Punk and Daniel Bryan started the royal rumble. The fans were back and forth with "CM PUNK!!" and "Daniel Bryan" chants. I put the CM Punk in all caps and with exclamation because it was noticably louder than Daniel Bryan's.

I feel that the fans are getting to vince. He realizes that this is the information age and he will undoubtedly villify himself and his beloved meat puppet john cena if he sells CM Punk as a worthless villain who we'd be better off not seeing on monday nights. I feel that he's pushing an enemies who respect each other for their abilities angle between Punk and cena so that either way everyone is happy. Punk loses a match in which he took cena to the limit, at least Punk was allowed to be put over before leaving. Punk wins a match against cena, cena stands in the ring and hands the belt to Punk before shaking his hand and perhaps giving a gangsta bro hug to his new homie CM Punk. CM Punk will have likely already signed a brief contract extension before the latter outcome would ever happen.

Those in my opinion are the outcomes vince is leaning toward.

 

[Charismatic Enigma]

I think what is likely to end up happening is Punk will win the title at MITB, then take it over to ROH for a little while to get everyone buzzing, and help them get off the ground with their new TV deal, and in exchange he can come back with a few ROH guys and WWE can get some talent swaps out of it. Maybe ROH will even be an extension of the training program?

They've done similar things with both USWA and ECW in the past, so I could certainly see it happening again.

 

[Shinjo]

Excellent promo from Punk and I enjoyed it being formed in such a way that the smark cheering didn't ruin it. Nicely done punk, an excellent work.

 

[brochester8]

I like that idea, maybe also consider turning Bourne and Bryan heel for this ROH group as they were both in it? I think it could work but it would be similar to the Nexus how they were when they debuted. They will need to do it differently and not feud with Cena, maybe like you said with Austin, or Triple H or The Rock if he works fulltime after 'Mania.

This is what I was thinking. An ROH faction would be very interesting considering how WWE changes all there names, outside of CM Punk, and changes there persona. Switch them back to there ROH names and let them take over. It'd be great to see what more we can get out of the Punk situation and continue what Danielson was saying before he was fired, which was also built as a shoot. Maybe even bring back Cabana since he was mentioed. I think it'd be a great idea. Plus we can see what else Bourne can do on the mic or as a heel.

One word comes to mind with this, INTERESTING!

 

[ianskarbek]

My jaws just dropped. It was like daaaang. It reminded me of some of the promos done during the attitude eraand other organizations during the period. Like when the Undertaker first came out of character, Mankind anti hardcore promos in ECW, Hulk Hogan promo when the NWO first formed. I was in awe; even my kids got dead silent during Punk's promo. Now that's what's wrestling's all about. Punk's the man.

I was just talking about this with a friend on Saturday! They were telling me that the WWE would never beat what it had in the attitude era, and I said that it was what people said after the 80's. All the WWE needs is someone larger than life, i.e., Hogan/Rock, and Cena is simply not it. Not that Punk is even close to a Hogan/Rock, but I feel that he may be one of the only people currently that give everything they have to that company. Whatever ends up happening with Punk, I"ll be sad if he leaves. He is far too great a talent for Vince to let him slip through the cracks, although it has happened before.
I like everyone else was speechless, and that was great. My girlfriend, who watches with me, got off the couch as kept saying, 'seriously?', it was awesome. I am glad to finally see someone beside Cena finally getting some mic time. In fact, he hasn't had much as of late.
Great promo, great superstar, and if he has left for ROH, or TNA, he will be missed. I hope that it is TNA, because now it gives me a real reason to watch it every week other than the fact that I miss Kurt Angle

 

[Rayne]

"Uh oh, I'm breaking the fourth wall!"

The last time there was a promo this good, Scott Hall was asking the television, "you want a war?" These are the moments that launch legends. And why shouldn't it? CM Punk is, quite possibly, the best in the WWE right now. Cena still sells the t-shirts, but his act keeps getting staler. Randy Orton is only a star face because there's no one else passable for the job right now; in an Attitude Era or a Golden Era, he'd be way down on the depth chart.

CM Punk is fresh, he's been underused, and the promo he cut was one of those masterstrokes of brilliance, mixing in just enough perceived 'truth' with the ongoing storylines in the WWE. Here's hoping this goes somewhere.

Also, for those of you still dreaming that shoots happen in the modern televised age of professional wrestling, keep dreaming. CM Punk knew immediately when his mic had been 'cut off', and you can ask anyone who's ever used a microphone that you can't tell if it's working or not, unless it's working poorly with lots of background hum and feedback. Think back to every microphone blooper you've ever seen; the performer keeps talking/singing as if nothing's happened. Everything sounds normal to the person talking; it's everywhere else that can't hear them. (Musicians would point out you could also use a monitor, and sticking a monitor right next to CM Punk would show the same kind of complicity.)

 

[Zeven_Zion]

the difference between punk's worked shoot and TNA's worked shoot is that punk doesn't do a worked shoot every week. Punk's promo was awesome because no one was expecting it, and it blurred the line between kayfabe and reality, causing some fans to think "is he actually going off on the company right now?"

TNA on the other hand does it so frequently that you know for sure it was approved by creative before hand, taking away any impact (lolz) from the "shoot"

I hate to swerve this in another direction, but I need to correct your idiocy. The very last worked shoot done by TNA was the one I just posted of Fourtune turning on Immortal, which was in February. It's almost July now. How is that every week, you absolute moron? I have the decency and the common sense to come out here and praise WWE and give them all the credit they so rightfully deserve for this AMAZING move. Me. A brainless TNA mark and a lifelong WWE "hater". Yet none of you idiots would ever even consider giving TNA credit for anything. Ever. And you judge it without even watching as I just proved. You're everything that's wrong with pro wrestling's fan base.

Also, it didn't blur any lines. I firmly believe that if people actually think Punk's leaving, then they should shoot themselves in the pants because they're stupid. When's the last time you saw someone go OUT of the comany like that? Ask Bret Hart. Ask Chris Jericho when he left in 2006 or whatever. Ask Chris Jericho when he left in 2009/10. WWE is planning to put the belt on Punk or AT LEAST keep this storyline going beyond MITB. I hope they are. They must. It's too fucking good. Please WWE don't fuck this one up. Fuck everything else from this point on up, I don't care what you do, just have ONE legendary storyline and a legendary moment. Lord knows you've not had one of those since forever.

 

[FunKay the Inevitable]

The internet loves CM Punk? Do you mean that outspoken individuals with an ability to pin thoughts down with intelligent words and well crafted phrases thus earning a more comprehensive level of recognition loves CM Punk?

No, I mean the internet loves CM Punk. Punk has been a smark favourite since forever. People who post on internet forums (like you and I) have always praised CM Punk. I'm sure there are plenty of very intelligent fans who don't go on the internet for wrestling purposes who hate him.

For your information, the internet loves everyone who uses it. If a john cena fan comes onto this forum and attempts to make a single point about why john deserves the praise gushed upon him by kids who think it's not just a big show, they will quickly be dismantled and humbled by those of us who can truly appreciate the genuinely talented performers.

This statement makes no sense. If the internet loves everyone who uses it then John Cena wouldn't get the "U now 5 movz" threads made about him? John Cena has plenty of fans on these boards, and while I'm not the biggest one, I respect him for the hard work and effort he puts in. Most people can see that John Cena is a hard worker who has earned the respect of a large portion of the fanbase.

 

[TheNewStyle]

It was definitely a work. Punk would have been cut off way sooner if it was not approved prior. If Punk was actually leaving, he wouldn't have been allowed to make it so clear and go to this limit. Batista is similarly against the current product but he didn't even say a thing against the company before he actually quit. Punk's angle is definitely an amazing one though. But for some reason, I expect some "Chicago Screwjob" if Punk is actually leaving. If it was to happen though, wouldn't that establish Cena as a heel?

Also, I have a feeling they are finally trying to do something new with Cena as he hasn't had any mic time in almost a month now. Instead of playing it safe, they are trying something new.

 

[enviousdominous]

El-Oh-Fucking-El.

You seriously just compared one of the single greatest promos ever to a patented TNA "shoot?" Not just any shoot though, the same one that had already been done by the same damn guy before? Seriously, we may have just witnessed the birth of a Superstar, and you're comparing it to an average promo that did absolutely nothing for no one? Okay, buddy.

It's times like this when I laugh at all of the idiots around here who bitch and moan about the WWE being too predictable. When you just go around throwing out "shockers" and "swerves" every other week like TNA does, the impact is lessened because for one, it's not a surprise anymore and 2, it's usually just a swerve for the sake of a swerve with little to no sense behind it. Remember when Samoa Joe joined the Main Event Mafia? That had lasting repercussions that put Joe over the-- oh wait, that's right it did nothing whatsoever for anybody.

The WWE lulled everyone into a false sense of security by doing what was expected and putting out a solid but predictable product and when the time was right, they pulled the trigger on something huge and now the entire wrestling community is buzzing. The only time TNA had the wrestling community buzzing half as much as this was when Jeff Hardy showed up at a PPV too fucked up to perform.

Punk already had me on his side, but his promo last night sold MITB to me. No one person has done that for me in a long time. It just goes to prove that the talent and creative team in the WWE is head and shoulders above any other promotion today. Period.

I agree with everything except that the wwe put out a predictable product in an effort to make the CM Punk promo more vivid. While it would have been a clever and successful effort, I doubt that their mundane (though infinitely better than tna) show was meant to happen that way.

It may be the Punk fan in me, but I believe that the promo was only expected to be a rip on cena and the rock, a mockery of the fans who cheer him and possibly a quick mention of ROH in regard to leaving with the title belt. I feel that everything after that was all Punk and the revenue it will surely generate for vince was an unintended consequence.

It would have been lame if Punk was allowed to go out every single night and rant about backstage politics and unfair executives, the fact is the show is lame because vince has had such a tight grip over his toy soldiers and this one rare moment of lucidity on part of one of his own was in my opinion a complete accident on part of the wwe.

 

[arkady]

This as probably been said before:

I really hope this is a worked shoot, and there's going to be a swerve, where CM Punk doesn't actually leave.

I really hope that this is part of an angle, and CM Punk will get a run as champion where he's forced to defend his title by the contract associated with the title (rather than his own contract).

As for those who say he went on too long for it to be shoot: the WWE are obliged to fill a certain slot on TV. They can't just cut-off, except in exceptional circumstances and the decision to do so is not one they can take lightly - several high members of staff will be involved.*

It is not impossible that it was a total shoot, and it just took them that long to decide they had to turn off the mic and cut him off.


*Speculation, based on what I know from working with smaller companies in the entertainment industry.

 

[enviousdominous]

No, I mean the internet loves CM Punk. Punk has been a smark favourite since forever. People who post on internet forums (like you and I) have always praised CM Punk. I'm sure there are plenty of very intelligent fans who don't go on the internet for wrestling purposes who hate him.

If you're certain that there are people out there challenging CM Punks credibility in an intelligent way, then I guess that the internet has a love hate relationship with CM Punk instead of a love love relationship with him. You stand corrected.

This statement makes no sense. If the internet loves everyone who uses it then John Cena wouldn't get the "U now 5 movz" threads made about him? John Cena has plenty of fans on these boards, and while I'm not the biggest one, I respect him for the hard work and effort he puts in. Most people can see that John Cena is a hard worker who has earned the respect of a large portion of the fanbase.

Quick psychology lesson. The opposite of love is not hate, the opposite of love is indifference. Obviously all kinds flood the internet with their opinions, therefore the internet is never lonely.

To say that john cena's hard work is a reason to adore him, is to say that no selling moves that would otherwise "injure" someone else is not a reason to despise him. john cena is a hard worker like hulk hogan was a hard worker, sure hogan slammed Andre and put on an epic show versus the warrior, then he chose to no sell Randy Savage's elbow drop in two different matches and put on the tower of terror match in wcw which made several wcw mainstays look like comeplete bozos.

john cena is in the business only for himself and takes credit for his willingness to show up and put on a show and lay down for kevin federline so that he can exploit it as reason to carry the belt indefinately and never give up a clean win. Anyone who praises him for his "hard work" should be praising the great khali for his "hard work" as well.

 

[enviousdominous]

This as probably been said before:

I really hope this is a worked shoot, and there's going to be a swerve, where CM Punk doesn't actually leave.

I really hope that this is part of an angle, and CM Punk will get a run as champion where he's forced to defend his title by the contract associated with the title (rather than his own contract).

As for those who say he went on too long for it to be shoot: the WWE are obliged to fill a certain slot on TV. They can't just cut-off, except in exceptional circumstances and the decision to do so is not one they can take lightly - several high members of staff will be involved.*

It is not impossible that it was a total shoot, and it just took them that long to decide they had to turn off the mic and cut him off.


*Speculation, based on what I know from working with smaller companies in the entertainment industry.

They didn't really just cut off. His mic was cut and there was a good 25 seconds before the program actually cut off, and when it did it went right to a commercial for an upcoming USA show. No flash of a wwe logo, no mention of the year or the company in the lower right hand corner, nothing between a split second of dark and a promo for a usa original series.

 

[Steamboat Ricky]

If anyone has checked:

http://www.wwe.com



So chances are that it was not a promo unless he appears next week again.

That means nothing. If it was a serious matter, they would have cut him off early, Cole would NOT have announced to the live audience that he was suspended indefinitely, and they would be quietly removing him from stuff ala Chris Benoit.

 

[FunKay the Inevitable]

If you're certain that there are people out there challenging CM Punks credibility in an intelligent way, then I guess that the internet has a love hate relationship with CM Punk instead of a love love relationship with him. You stand corrected.

People can appreciate someone's talents and still hate them. The IWC is in love with CM Punk, not all wrestling fans. CM Punk is a heel and as such is hated by a large portion of the fans. The man was getting incredibly strong heat last night. That's what we call disliking someone.

To say that john cena's hard work is a reason to adore him, is to say that no selling moves that would otherwise "injure" someone else is not a reason to despise him. john cena is a hard worker like hulk hogan was a hard worker, sure hogan slammed Andre and put on an epic show versus the warrior, then he chose to no sell Randy Savage's elbow drop in two different matches and put on the tower of terror match in wcw which made several wcw mainstays look like comeplete bozos.

John Cena goes on the road, does more autograph signings that anyone, wrestles more dates than anyone, destroys his body on a regular basis and more than likely will be in pretty severe pain in his later years due to his love for wrestling. I can respect that, and so can a large majority of fans. If you can't, then I'm sorry.

Hulk Hogan and John Cena re not the same person. They have similar characters on screen, yes, but John Cena has yet to show he can be a self-centred egotistical jack-ass.

john cena is in the business only for himself and takes credit for his willingness to show up and put on a show and lay down for kevin federline so that he can exploit it as reason to carry the belt indefinately and never give up a clean win. Anyone who praises him for his "hard work" should be praising the great khali for his "hard work" as well.

One again, you don't get it. John Cena is the hardest working man in wrestling today. He's busted his ass for the fans. He works harder than anyone else and that's why he's rewarded so regularly.

 

[hunterXhunter21]

I think what is likely to end up happening is Punk will win the title at MITB, then take it over to ROH for a little while to get everyone buzzing, and help them get off the ground with their new TV deal, and in exchange he can come back with a few ROH guys and WWE can get some talent swaps out of it. Maybe ROH will even be an extension of the training program?

They've done similar things with both USWA and ECW in the past, so I could certainly see it happening again.

I like this idea. Have Punk win the title and leave with it. He then goes to ROH for a few months "defending" the title. Maybe even have a few dusty finishes. Even a non-title match with Richards. Putting Richards over.

While WWE holds a tournament to crown a new champ(Cena) ending at Summerslam. Del Rio(who wins the Raw MITB) cashes in and wants a match with Cena at Night of Champions. Him and Cena have a few matches leading to the blow off at Vengeance. After the match Punk, KOW, and Black attack Cena. But unlike the Nexus attack they don't group attack and tear apart everything. They come in and just beat him down using wrestling moves. Showing they are the best in the world. Punk is still wearing the old WWE title the whole time. This leads to a Champion vs Champion match at Survivor Series.


You gotta look at who this helps. It makes ROH look great. What does WWE get out of it? They may be able to bring over a few of those ROH fans that don't watch WWE. But other then that what do they gain? Maybe getting a few ROH guys to do one shot matches? But does that help all that much? Really all WWE can gain is some IWC cred. But do they really need that?

 

[steven87gill]

What a great worked shoot. First person who says it's a legit shoot gets shot. If it wasn't worked, it wouldn't be let on.

This kinda goes on to prove my point that WWE works the IWC into hating Cena even more and doesn't care that he gets booed by you guys. I'm sure some people still think they're more sophisticated than Vince though. Idiots.


I hope this turns into an angle. Not a full on ROH invasion angle, but like Second City Saints, the original Saints. Ace is semi retired now though but I'm sure he'd come back.

My pet theory is that this is either part of Vince's long term goal of having an undisputed champion, or of introducing a new WWE title belt.

I mean if Punk 'leaves' with the title, then Randy Orton is by default the undisputed champion. On the other hand VKM could just retire punks belt and introduce a new WWE title.

God this is a good storyline, I'm genuinely, properly hooked here.

 

[enviousdominous]

People can appreciate someone's talents and still hate them. The IWC is in love with CM Punk, not all wrestling fans. CM Punk is a heel and as such is hated by a large portion of the fans. The man was getting incredibly strong heat last night. That's what we call disliking someone.

I feel like I'm arguing with a fifth grader. CM Punk is a performer and part of his job is to be a bad guy who makes the good guys look better. Now then, if Punk proves to be a better athelete who hits better spots and cuts more clever promos, fans will cheer for him. He gets heat from marks because he's supposed to get heat from them, that's what we call show business. Those of us who like him aren't supposed to like him, he plays the bad guy but he's very good at working his matches and uses more interesting moves. Thus a more intelligent wrestling fan likes CM Punk, and a moron plays by the rules and cheers for another five knuckle shuffle.

John Cena goes on the road, does more autograph signings that anyone, wrestles more dates than anyone, destroys his body on a regular basis and more than likely will be in pretty severe pain in his later years due to his love for wrestling. I can respect that, and so can a large majority of fans. If you can't, then I'm sorry.

Whew, where do I begin. john cena is an attention ****e. He brags about signing so many autographs, and likely goes to great lengths physically to appear at so many autograph signings, because they validate his grandiose opinion of himself.

Wrestles more dates than anyone? So cena appearing in a show just so he can rip on the rock is the same as Daniel Bryan working three times a week? If you call what he does "wrestling", then you are in serious need of corrective vision surgery.

His body becomes destroyed so often because a body meant to look pretty doesn't deal with bumps very well. I don't respect someone who fights through pain only so they can exploit that fact as justification for their lack of ever truly putting anyone else over.

Hulk Hogan and John Cena re not the same person. They have similar characters on screen, yes, but John Cena has yet to show he can be a self-centred egotistical jack-ass.



One again, you don't get it. John Cena is the hardest working man in wrestling today. He's busted his ass for the fans. He works harder than anyone else and that's why he's rewarded so regularly.

They are the same person kid. Ask yourself this; when was the last time john cena lost a match cleanly? No interference, no fluke. I can answer that, and please correct me if I'm wrong. john cena lost to randy orton in a hell in a cell match, I don't remember exactly when or what event but I do remember what happened afterward, after randy orton head punted cena. The head punt was a move that had put batista out of action for a month, john cena stood up and starred down orton as if nothing happened.

You want to say that cena is not a jackass? You want to say that cena is the hardest working man in wrestling today? Whatever the hell "it" is, I thank whatever deity made us that it doesn't occur to me because it obviously has you singing the praises of john cena.

 

[TheOrtonRevolution]

I was honestly stunned by Punk's promo last night, it actually felt like he was breaking kayfabe. The crowd's "ooohhh"'s were the icing on the cake. Since I already read the spoilers, while being disappointed with next week's Raw actually, that shoot was honestly the best promo I've heard in a while. I honestly think the Rock has another thing coming with Punk since the Straightedge Warrior has something fresh to bring to the table.

 

[Midnite Express 2009]

This was the greatest promo I have ever seen in my natural life. Piper, Dusty, Flair, nobody compares to that. I want to believe this was off the cuff, with no one knowing anything of it. Perhaps he was supposed to cut another promo, and just went to town on Vince & the company. Thing is, everything he said was true. EVERYTHING. I don't care if it's a worked shoot or not. I just believe this was without a doubt the greatest way Raw has ended since the Attitude Era. Amazing!!!