CM Punk WINS The WWE Championship!!! Cena fired???

[enviousdominous]

I just read and confirmed personally that CM Punk's wwe fan page on facebook has been removed.

While this might be a clever ruse to make us believe that CM Punk's promo was all his own doing, it's going a little overboard to have his fan page removed.

Though they've taken him off of their superstar roster, they're still selling his shirts and dvds in their shopzone.

 

[Johnny Dangerous]

I have yet to see Raw as I work during the hours it is on. However I DVRed it and am really looking forward to watching. From what I have read ...this could go many many different ways. Obviously it wasnt "REAL" . But this could be the begining of something that leads to the next surge in wrestlings popularity. As Anyone in the know will say ...pro wrestling has always been cylical. A HUGE period of popularity followed by a slow period. I.E. The sixties ...by the seventies. The Hulkamaina years of the eighties...followed by the New Generation years in the early and mid nineties. And everyones favorite ...the ATTITUDE era followed by the post INVASION landscape. This angle shows promise on a level we havent seen in close to a decade. And as much as you may not want to hear it....I believe the person to thank for it is none other than everyones second favorite punching bag. HHH. ...........Or I could be wrong. And this is just another instance where Punk is going to seem unbeatable for the next couple weeks..Then at MITB (in front of his hometown crowd and in the same building that I saw SCSA and Bret Hart create the best match of all time in front of my 14 year old eyes) Punk loses cleanly to Supercena and is serenaded with a chorus of Na Na Na Na hey hey hey goodbye. Time will tell. Vince,Paul,Johnny....remind me why I m a fan.

 

[multiverseman.com]

I would like to point out the hypocrisy on display since nobody else seems to want to.

First off, great promo by CM Punk. Nothing to add there. What I'm about to say doesn't take away from that fact.

Now then, when Vince Russo decides to blur the lines between reality and fiction, he is vilified and called a loser. He's a hack amateur who doesn't deserve to have a job. TNA wrestlers go on TV and gripe about their old jobs and how much they hate Vince and people yawn. CM Punk goes on TV and gripes about his rather unlikely career so far and it's like he invented the shoot. He's a trending topic. Why? Because Vince let somebody go on TV and harmlessly let off carefully scripted steam? He drops a couple of inside-sounding facts, uses some real names and suddenly wrestling is changed forever? Don't bother calling me a mark, I can barely stand TNA or whatever they're called. It's just sad seeing Vince, once again, using old ideas and being hailed as a genius.

 

[TheConnecticutBlueblood]

Wow...just..wow. WWE has just lost it's biggest commodity right there. He just through kayfabe out the window and just spoke from his heart. I love WWE but I hate how they waste good talent. The fact that he insulted McMahon and his family without hesitation proves his got balls. Good on ya punk! Tell it like it is!!

 

[enviousdominous]

I would like to point out the hypocrisy on display since nobody else seems to want to.

First off, great promo by CM Punk. Nothing to add there. What I'm about to say doesn't take away from that fact.

Now then, when Vince Russo decides to blur the lines between reality and fiction, he is vilified and called a loser. He's a hack amateur who doesn't deserve to have a job. TNA wrestlers go on TV and gripe about their old jobs and how much they hate Vince and people yawn. CM Punk goes on TV and gripes about his rather unlikely career so far and it's like he invented the shoot. He's a trending topic. Why? Because Vince let somebody go on TV and harmlessly let off carefully scripted steam? He drops a couple of inside-sounding facts, uses some real names and suddenly wrestling is changed forever? Don't bother calling me a mark, I can barely stand TNA or whatever they're called. It's just sad seeing Vince, once again, using old ideas and being hailed as a genius.

Good points all around. I would argue on behalf of what might be seen as ignorance, that CM Punk went places he was not allowed to go.

The mentioning of Paul Heyman and Brock Lesnar went under my radar at first, until I remembered that to vince such names shall never be spoken. Is it possible that vince is willing to bend to sell something to a smark like me? Of course, but it seems unlikely that he would have.

What I find impossible to believe is that vince planned to have punk be cut off just as he was about to compare vince's administrative tactics to the anti-bullying campaign. Up until that point I believe some of the shots were unscripted, but tolerable. I believe that the second vince heard "Let me tell you a personal story about vince mcmahon" he was shouting "CUT THE FUCKING MIC!!" in the production booth.

 

[rge2010]

Okay, I gather that because of harsher comments made toward stephanie in the past as part of a work to justify her getting any tv time it is therefore impossible to believe that a less harsh comment could have been ad libbed.

stephani has nothing to do with the Punk cena angle. The promo went from an obvious work with an attempt to get the crowd to stop cheering for him and comments on his eventual departure into a potential shoot with comments bashing steph and her hubby.

Like I said in a previous post, I believe that it was inteded to be a worked shoot and became more of a shoot toward the end. I believe that because worse things have been said about steph and hhh, any ad libbed shots at them can be taken with a grain of salt. Either way, what was supposed to happen, happened. Punk is suspended so they can work this stupid angle involving cena pretending to only want to fight Punk, thus we IWC elitists can wonder if cena feels the same way we do and therefore isn't really a jackoff after all. He's leaving anyway so there's no sense in firing him for doing something that will inevitably sell tickets. To correct you, they wouldn't fire him for making off the cuff negative comments.

Do you still believe in Santa Claus? The whole damn thing is a work. Punk is a smart man, he wouldnt intentionally shoot and ruin any chance of a return.

Christ, some fans are so naive!!! Remember when Matt Hardy returned? That was also a great worked shoot! People thought it was real and WWE have done exactly the same again. Punk could continue his bashing on Twitter and he could have said things much worse.

How about steroids? Lets see if he touches on that eh. He wont, because that is 'too far'. Everything he said was well said but he kept within the boundaries. I wasnt shocked at all.

 

[abraxasdeux]

What made this such a great promo is how much of it's true

-No, Vince ISN'T doing enough to promote some wrestlers. He's litterally flying by the seat of his pants and hoping he can spit shine some picked at random johnny-come-lately into a living 24k gold statuette

-Vince's ethics in the company these days are questionable and there's a good chance that Stephanie, HHH, and Shane will carry out in exact same fashion to retain the ever popular "Business As Usual" policy

You'd also have to be a complete idot not to see that this was a worked and delicately scripted promo that allowed Brooks to vent his frustrations full force.

It's stuff like this that I've missed in wrestling, the anarchy, the complete and utter disregard for the rules and safety of others. Was it so hard to do this Vince? Was it so hard to get your writers to actually TRY to do a competent script once in awhile?

And on another note, I'd really REALLY like to see the WWE do the Raw Roulette on a more regular basis

 

[#1Peep]

This is exactly the kind of storyline that the WWE needed in order to keep interest in the product going into the American summer. I'm also sure that this is going to lead to increased buys for the Money in the Bank pay per view, the Punk Cena match was always going to be great, but this promo has just stepped the build-up a notch. I'm not really a fan of worked shoots, but this one did it's job of increasing hype for the pay per view match and the storyline involving Punk's departure. Punk is such a great talent, and it's going to be a shame to see him leave and I only hope it's only a short break and that he returns to wrestling sooner than later, hopefully in WWE or ROH. However, there are a number of great storylines that could result from a Punk hiatus, most have probably been said, that would cause even more interest in the WWE product for the rest of the year. This could include a mini ROH/WWE cross promotion or Punk leaving the WWE for a while whilst also in possession of a Money in the Bank briefcase, creating much excitement for when he eventually returns. Overall, this shoot was a great promo and a great promotional tool for the WWE.

 

[Sheamus' Suntan]

You know. Im pretty sure the fudging topic says NO SPAM so why not just KEEP IT ABOUT THE CM PUNK PROMO AND STOP RIPPING INTO EACH OTHER?!

Right. Rant over.

This promo was absolutely brilliant. Punk deserves props but so does creative on this for ALLOWING this on air. WWE lately have been more edgy, trying to push the envelope a bit and they're definitely managing it...how much stir HAS this created? How many people viewed this thread at the time of the promo or after? A hell of a lot. I look at the thread views now...87,000? SERIOUSLY?!

WWE did a GREAT job with this. Make no mistake. A fantastic job.

 

[closet_fan]

You know. Im pretty sure the fudging topic says NO SPAM so why not just KEEP IT ABOUT THE CM PUNK PROMO AND STOP RIPPING INTO EACH OTHER?!

Right. Rant over.

This promo was absolutely brilliant. Punk deserves props but so does creative on this for ALLOWING this on air. WWE lately have been more edgy, trying to push the envelope a bit and they're definitely managing it...how much stir HAS this created? How many people viewed this thread at the time of the promo or after? A hell of a lot. I look at the thread views now...87,000? SERIOUSLY?!

WWE did a GREAT job with this. Make no mistake. A fantastic job.

there have always been a big group of people that said if the storylines are good and the promos are realistic, that the PG era can still thrive.

punk proved that last night. as a hardcore fan who went casual, that promo got me hooked into seeing what happens next week.

 

[Sheamus' Suntan]

I personally have never seen the same hate as everyone else has for the PG era. I've stated it before. Truthfully its just less blood and less bad language. The edgyness IS still there. Things that shouldnt happens still do. Did Randy Orton not DDT Stephanie McMahon on a live edition of RAW during the "PG Era"? How is that PG? How is hitting a woman good to show to kids?

Truth is, everyone is saying this promo is more attitude era-ish and Punk is making things edgy again. Yes, it was edgy but a lot of WWE this and last year have been just as edgy and I don't see why the PG era won't thrive because in the end, its still WWE...whether it's PG, Attitude, or whatever. People will still always buy into it.

 

[enviousdominous]

Do you still believe in Santa Claus? The whole damn thing is a work. Punk is a smart man, he wouldnt intentionally shoot and ruin any chance of a return.

Christ, some fans are so naive!!! Remember when Matt Hardy returned? That was also a great worked shoot! People thought it was real and WWE have done exactly the same again. Punk could continue his bashing on Twitter and he could have said things much worse.

How about steroids? Lets see if he touches on that eh. He wont, because that is 'too far'. Everything he said was well said but he kept within the boundaries. I wasnt shocked at all.

*ugh* Look kid, you compare a differing belief toward the intentions of Punk's promo with a belief in santa claus. That alone makes you a moron, but for the sake of discussion I'll answer some of your other moronic points.

I remember when Matt Hardy returned, he returned because the IWC tore into lita and demanded they let him come back. They didn't fire him just so that they could build to an eventual return, they fired him because they felt he wasn't drawing enough and the bad vibes he brought to the locker room should be removed. Although my source for this information is pro wrestling journalists who work for this and others sites, if you have a viable source for your information, please present it.

Punk can't continue his bashing on twitter because as far as I know his twitter has been removed, as well as his facebook fan page.

Within the boundaries? No kid, what he did was go beyond the boundaries. vince doesn't allow his employees to mention brock lesnar or Paul Heyman, not in casual backstage conversation and certainly not on tv. If he had mentioned steroids it probably would have impressed you, but people like me would have shouted a resounding "No shit sherlock!" if he had.

 

[abraxasdeux]

This could include a mini ROH/WWE cross promotion.

Yeah, I kind of figured they might be doing that when Punk blatantly mentioned Ring Of Honor in his monolouge

And hey, it's not a half bad idea

Vince did it for ECW when they were doing their first PPV, so it could very well help ROH out

He should remove it because it's HORRIBLE! I can't believe people enjoyed that! I'd rather watch a Bryan Danielson match then watch that promo!

 

[Sheamus' Suntan]

He should remove it because it's HORRIBLE! I can't believe people enjoyed that! I'd rather watch a Bryan Danielson match then watch that promo!

Entitled to your opinion and I agree...Bryan Danielson's matches are very entertaining. They're very very watchable...but Bryan is on SD. Punk is on RAW. Punk entertained...87,000 people on THESE FORUMS ALONE in one night. Plus the millions that didnt come onto these forums. Punk possibly...singlehandedly just brought WWE MILLIONS of viewers for next week.

Punk is horrible?
Barely. Punk IS the best wrestler of this generation. What he says is true, but again...what you think is what you think and you're entitled to your opinion.

 

[THTRobtaylor]

I think that was the most compelling TV WWE has produced in years... goosebumps... but lets take it for what it was... Austin 3@16... It was intended to make Punk red hot... and it has... I really think this will lead to Vince/Trips v Austin and Punk at Mania next year... with Punk "ending" trip's career or Vince's reign in charge... they need something to "fill the time" till Rock can return and this is it!

 

[closet_fan]

i was really waiting for punk to mention TNA when he was talking about where to go after he left.

even if he hinted at the promotion, while not mentioning those exact letters, that would have made the promo even more credible.

 

[Marv95]

Yeah, I kind of figured they might be doing that when Punk blatantly mentioned Ring Of Honor in his monolouge

And hey, it's not a half bad idea

Vince did it for ECW when they were doing their first PPV, so it could very well help ROH out

Also did it in 2005 with Matt Hardy yelling out "ROH!" But it didn't go anywhere.

WWE will find a way to screw this all up. Already off to a good start based on next Monday. Still got me tuned into next week thanks to Punk.

 

[FunKay the Inevitable]

In case you didn't get it before, the internet loves CM Punk. CM Punk did a terrific job last night, but before I praise him to the high heavens, I just want to say that WWE's Production team did a good job pushing things slightly further, cutting straight to black, no signature to end the show etc...Good stuff. As for Mr. Punk, we all know he was fantastic last night. There's always a big summer story, and this is without a doubt this year's. CM Punk vs. John Cena's been a feud we've wanted for awhile, and now we have it. This is going to be THE feud to watch going forwards, and CM Punk's promo has single handedly made it the most talked about feud going from any promotion.

 

[closet_fan]

I think that was the most compelling TV WWE has produced in years... goosebumps... but lets take it for what it was... Austin 3@16... It was intended to make Punk red hot... and it has... I really think this will lead to Vince/Trips v Austin and Punk at Mania next year... with Punk "ending" trip's career or Vince's reign in charge... they need something to "fill the time" till Rock can return and this is it!

this leads me to another question; why an austin shirt? what was the deal with that?

a punk/austin dream match had been mentioned for the past few months now, but him wearing that didn't really add a whole lot.

to me it's almost as if creative had him wear it so smarks can see that this was a worked shoot like austin's and have them connect the dots.

 

[enviousdominous]

I personally have never seen the same hate as everyone else has for the PG era. I've stated it before. Truthfully its just less blood and less bad language. The edgyness IS still there. Things that shouldnt happens still do. Did Randy Orton not DDT Stephanie McMahon on a live edition of RAW during the "PG Era"? How is that PG? How is hitting a woman good to show to kids?

Truth is, everyone is saying this promo is more attitude era-ish and Punk is making things edgy again. Yes, it was edgy but a lot of WWE this and last year have been just as edgy and I don't see why the PG era won't thrive because in the end, its still WWE...whether it's PG, Attitude, or whatever. People will still always buy into it.

Great point on the pg rating being somewhat unfounded as it's really just a campaign to sucker in more advertisers.

I have to argue though, in that you seem to suggest that what CM Punk did isn't any more spectacular than events of a year ago. I've been waiting for a promo like Punks for a very long time, nothing I've seen in the past couple years compares to it (that's as far back as I'm willing to remember).

When ROH comes to tv, it will likely be a pg show. Not because they want to bait advertisers into thinking that they're a family show, because they are all about athleticism and innovation. The marks can have their bright cena shirts and baseless randy orton spaz attacks.

 

[TheEraOfAwesomeIsHere126]

possibly the greatest promo i have ever seen. of course it was a worked shoot but still it was awesome to hear the references to ROH and Paul E, when is the last time you heard them mentioned and brock lesnar.

punk took away the forth wall and shed light on the back aswell saying the only way you get by is kissing vinces ass and insulting stephanie and HHH aswell.no body else has ever said on WWE tv. what mad it the best was just the pure venom in which it was said which made if only for a split second everyone consider if this was a real shoot

 

[enviousdominous]

this leads me to another question; why an austin shirt? what was the deal with that?

a punk/austin dream match had been mentioned for the past few months now, but him wearing that didn't really add a whole lot.

to me it's almost as if creative had him wear it so smarks can see that this was a worked shoot like austin's and have them connect the dots.

I didn't even notice his shirt until Austin commented on it.

I imagine a Punk/Austin match would be great, if it happened before Austin's neck injury. I don't think it was an attempt by wwe creative to give marks a clue in regard to the king of the ring from way back when, that seems way too clever for them. That doesn't however seem too clever for Punk, though I think he just threw it on because it was clean and dry.

 

[Sheamus' Suntan]

Great point on the pg rating being somewhat unfounded as it's really just a campaign to sucker in more advertisers.

I have to argue though, in that you seem to suggest that what CM Punk did isn't any more spectacular than events of a year ago. I've been waiting for a promo like Punks for a very long time, nothing I've seen in the past couple years compares to it (that's as far back as I'm willing to remember).

When ROH comes to tv, it will likely be a pg show. Not because they want to bait advertisers into thinking that they're a family show, because they are all about athleticism and innovation. The marks can have their bright cena shirts and baseless randy orton spaz attacks.

His promo was fantastic. I won't lie and say it wasn't. He delivered it amazingly. But...let's be honest now. It was a scripted shoot. Possibly not AS scripted as some promos go but it would have been to an extent. There have been amazing "non PG" moments inside WWE over the past year, especially recently. Yeah, it was edgy. That's what makes it something you've wanted for a long time. It was unlike WWE to do it...but it wasn't any less PG than...well most of the events that have actually happened in the PG Era.

ROH won't be PG. Not straight PG anyway. They're not all about Athleticism. A lot of their matches are pretty hardcore. They get off on "if it isn't athletic, it's hardcore". Truth is, I don't hold out hope for ROH with SBG but that's for another thread.

The notion of "PG" is BS when it comes to WWE. Half of the actions they've taken have not been PG at all and it is for advertising purposes they call it so. Punk did nothing groundbreaking with the shoot. Austin had done it previously and before Austin, others had also. Not groundbreaking...but...it goes with the territory stated already. Where something like it hadn't been seen for 10 years +, it was unique. Purely because of the timing. That's all.

 

[Dowdsy McDowds]

How hot is Chicago going to be for MitB!? Imagine he's kept off TV til then but emerges from the crowd who frigging adore him, the roof wont be blown of, the building will just implode.

I only saw the first hour last night so when I saw the threads and articles I thought it was about him having a dig at HBK about not doing drugs 'anymore'! Oops.

Just awesome all round.

 

[enviousdominous]

His promo was fantastic. I won't lie and say it wasn't. He delivered it amazingly. But...let's be honest now. It was a scripted shoot. Possibly not AS scripted as some promos go but it would have been to an extent. There have been amazing "non PG" moments inside WWE over the past year, especially recently. Yeah, it was edgy. That's what makes it something you've wanted for a long time. It was unlike WWE to do it...but it wasn't any less PG than...well most of the events that have actually happened in the PG Era.

ROH won't be PG. Not straight PG anyway. They're not all about Athleticism. A lot of their matches are pretty hardcore. They get off on "if it isn't athletic, it's hardcore". Truth is, I don't hold out hope for ROH with SBG but that's for another thread.

The notion of "PG" is BS when it comes to WWE. Half of the actions they've taken have not been PG at all and it is for advertising purposes they call it so. Punk did nothing groundbreaking with the shoot. Austin had done it previously and before Austin, others had also. Not groundbreaking...but...it goes with the territory stated already. Where something like it hadn't been seen for 10 years +, it was unique. Purely because of the timing. That's all.

I think I lean more toward it being more of a shoot than a work, though I'm sure that the events leading up to it suggest that punk was expected to sit up there and rant. I just don't believe that everything he said was written down for him earlier, either way I think vince was pleased with how the night turned out.

I don't need something that destroys a pg rating, I realize that Punk's comments were well within the realm of pg. It's not anti-pg to say "vince is an idiot and his entire company is a sham" on tv, though it would be shocking if someone was allowed to say that on a program whose production values were paid for by vince. It would belittle the fans and belittle the advertisers, though there would be no cussing or inuendo.

The only reason Austin and to some extent Michaels were allowed to push the boundaries of what is allowed on tv was because of the bitter ratings war with wcw. Even when Austin was cussing, Bret was dropping S-bombs and Michaels was taking every opportunity to bear his ass for the live show, they were never questioning the logic of being a member of the wwf/wwe roster. The logic was still the same even though vince publicly bashed it, good guys versus bad guys.

It's just my opinion, but I feel that ROH will have something to prove when they get on tv. They'll be the wrestling spots of what worked for wcw and tna and the wwe, without the mindless banter of an idiot who calls waving his hand in front of his face a move. They might let blood happen occasionally, which would be the only reason I can see a pg rating not happening. Other than that, I'd let my kids watch that before I let them watch wwe.