I cant believe you guys. We all know the WWE needs to start pushing their younger guys, and when they finally do you all guy complain? Incredible. In my opinion, this weeks RAW was one of the best RAW's in a long time, and CM Punk as Champion marks a new exciting era, he's great and he's over HUGE with the crowd. Long Live the Champion!
C.M. Punk Wins The WHC
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Macho Man Andy Savage
Dark Match Jobber
I agree. Punk isn't even one of my favorites but Cena and Batista are boring and i rather see Punk than any other raw main eventer right now with the exception of maybe Y2J or HBK take the title.
Edge isn't suddenly a mid-carder because he lost to CM Punk, all it means is that he is gonna start feuding with Triple H, probably beat him for the WWE title as Triple H will want some time off when Stephanie delivers their second child, and turn the spinner belt back into the Rated R Superstar belt, where he covered up the WWE Logo with his "R" logo.
Nothing was "taken away" from him, good grief. The belts are simply props. A champion losing the belt isn't usually punishment for anything (barring wellness violations, etc) its just a method to advance storylines. Stop blaming Triple H for everything...Every time anything remotely goes against your favorite wrestler, well, it must be Triple H's fault. Low ratings? Triple H's fault. Your favorite wrestler gets fired? Triple H's fault. Might as well blame Triple H for getting us into Iraq, blame him for gas prices, unemployment, the problems in the mortgage industry, and people getting audited by the IRS.
Edge will be just fine.
Nothing was "taken away" from him, good grief. The belts are simply props. A champion losing the belt isn't usually punishment for anything (barring wellness violations, etc) its just a method to advance storylines. Stop blaming Triple H for everything...Every time anything remotely goes against your favorite wrestler, well, it must be Triple H's fault. Low ratings? Triple H's fault. Your favorite wrestler gets fired? Triple H's fault. Might as well blame Triple H for getting us into Iraq, blame him for gas prices, unemployment, the problems in the mortgage industry, and people getting audited by the IRS.
Edge will be just fine.
Slim Pickns
Has Been Drafted To RAW
What show are you watching? Look, I don't hate CM Punk, in fact, I think he has potential. However, I can take the blinders off for a second and realize that he doesn't get any sort of reaction. I love the fact that RAW is trying something new, I really do, but it lost some of its A show stigma when Punk won the belt. I wanted the brands to become equal when HHH moved to Smackdown and Cena stayed on RAW, but after these last two days its apparent WWE wants to make Smackdown the new A show. They could have legitamately built up Punk rather than throwing him the title. With him and Kofi getting titles hotshotted, it makes Smackdown the A show by default. Punk could have gotten a steady push instead of this rush to the title after being jobbed out to the Miz.
Batista, Orton, Jericho, Mysterio, & HBK. You're telling me RAW looks weak? Triple H has been burrying talent for years, so him beating Orton & Cena is no big deal, but I can't even count how many titles have been held by those 5 guys throughout there careers, and you're claiming RAW is weak. If RAW looks weak then call me Susie. You'll probably call me that anyway. And Punk was not a midcarder. Winning MITB makes you the #1 Contendor to any World Title. How is that midcard? Sure the E did a bad job building Punk up to this match, but being former ECW champ and the ultimate #1 Contendor I'm sure they didn't consider him just a midcarder.
Batista also got screwed out of his title match, so that doesn't make him look weak. Especially after the ass whooping he gave Edge. Edge looked very fucking weak. I guess you should be pissed.
Slim Pickns
Has Been Drafted To RAW
Where do you get this stuff? Now, you're calling me an Edgehead just because I don't like Punk winning the Title. Neither one of us have called you out for being biased toward ROH due to your name or Punk due to your sig and avatar.
RAW looks weak because, Cena has been beaten constantly since his return, Orton was buried again by HHH, Jericho has been nothing since coming back, Mysterio is often injured, and HBK is overrated. Only Batista has momentum right now and his popularity is declining. HHH is now on Smackdown after beating all of RAW's top guys, unless you count Punk.
I'm not doubting the potential of RAW, I'm actually really excited. I don't like however, the fact that it seems like a second rate show already.
Time for Sam to enter. Dramatically at that...
The ECW title is almost worth less than a midcard title. It means nothing. It's a worthless belt for a worthless brand. As for MITB, Edge was pretty much a midcarder when he won the WWE title the first time. I mean, he was actually in the midcard that very night against Ric Flair. Punk isn't a midcarer any more, I agree. But he hasn't been elevated seamlessly nor completely. He's dangling dangerously between the upper midcard and the main event. Not good for the world heavyweight champion. And he was very much a midcarder before, despite MITB status. I mean, he lost every other week. Doesn't help his case.
I am.
Anyway, my take on this is a dash of cynicism but a spatter of hope. A mix between Will and Shocky if you will. I'm glad the WWE is trying to be less predictable, and I'm sure it has nothing to do with the recent dip in ratings, but this is all becoming a bit messy because of it. One unorthodox move is followed by another, one which usually contradicts the previous one, leaving a result which is just messy.
I actually don't dislike Punk that much. I also don't like him that much, and think it was a stupid move to have him win the title the pussy's way and defend it the pussy's way. I also would have just preferred it if they kept the belt on Edge. The one thing I do like about Punk is his image. I think the image he represents, of something young, fresh, new yet daring is great. Unfortunately, he finds it very difficult to come off as this in action. Which is precisely why I'm adopting the "wait and see" attitude, despite having my heart crushed. Overall, I am kinda of pleased the WWE is trying something new, even though they're going absolutely fucking mental as they do it.
The ECW title is almost worth less than a midcard title. It means nothing. It's a worthless belt for a worthless brand. As for MITB, Edge was pretty much a midcarder when he won the WWE title the first time. I mean, he was actually in the midcard that very night against Ric Flair. Punk isn't a midcarer any more, I agree. But he hasn't been elevated seamlessly nor completely. He's dangling dangerously between the upper midcard and the main event. Not good for the world heavyweight champion. And he was very much a midcarder before, despite MITB status. I mean, he lost every other week. Doesn't help his case.
I am.
Anyway, my take on this is a dash of cynicism but a spatter of hope. A mix between Will and Shocky if you will. I'm glad the WWE is trying to be less predictable, and I'm sure it has nothing to do with the recent dip in ratings, but this is all becoming a bit messy because of it. One unorthodox move is followed by another, one which usually contradicts the previous one, leaving a result which is just messy.
I actually don't dislike Punk that much. I also don't like him that much, and think it was a stupid move to have him win the title the pussy's way and defend it the pussy's way. I also would have just preferred it if they kept the belt on Edge. The one thing I do like about Punk is his image. I think the image he represents, of something young, fresh, new yet daring is great. Unfortunately, he finds it very difficult to come off as this in action. Which is precisely why I'm adopting the "wait and see" attitude, despite having my heart crushed. Overall, I am kinda of pleased the WWE is trying something new, even though they're going absolutely fucking mental as they do it.
HBK overrated? I'm not even a fan, but come on what drugs are you on?
Triple H has been fed guys to job for him for years, but no one complained about RAW looking weak then. Just because certain guys may not look strong this moment, doesn't mean they are weak. Those guys are always threats and always will be in the main event.
You also got to remember the WWE is focusing on SD and their move to the new network so it only makes sense to push SD at the moment.
Triple H has been fed guys to job for him for years, but no one complained about RAW looking weak then. Just because certain guys may not look strong this moment, doesn't mean they are weak. Those guys are always threats and always will be in the main event.
You also got to remember the WWE is focusing on SD and their move to the new network so it only makes sense to push SD at the moment.
THE Madcap
I'm MASSIVE and RIPPED
I can't see Punk holding onto this title long, I really can't. Although last night's RAW was great for shock factor, and I do like the "what's gonna happen next" factor the WWE are putting into their shows these days, but Punk had zero momentum going into the match.
Lets just put things into perspective here... Punk cashed in Hardy's briefcase. Had things been different, Punk would probably still be chasing the ECW championship and Hardy would be cashing in at Summerslam. Punk was a bad choice for Mr MITB because of how far behind he was as a credible challenger to the WHC and WWE titles and he certainly isn't over with the WWE fans. Time to turn him heel to give him any sort of momentum.
IMO there's a big list of people ahead of Punk for the title:
HBK
Edge
Cena (grated teeth)
JBL
Taker
Shelton Benjamin
Batista
Jeff Hardy
Jericho
Orton
Adamle
The Fink
Don West
George Bush
I could go on forever.
ROH Punk Rules, WWE Punk Sucks.
Lets just put things into perspective here... Punk cashed in Hardy's briefcase. Had things been different, Punk would probably still be chasing the ECW championship and Hardy would be cashing in at Summerslam. Punk was a bad choice for Mr MITB because of how far behind he was as a credible challenger to the WHC and WWE titles and he certainly isn't over with the WWE fans. Time to turn him heel to give him any sort of momentum.
IMO there's a big list of people ahead of Punk for the title:
HBK
Edge
Cena (grated teeth)
JBL
Taker
Shelton Benjamin
Batista
Jeff Hardy
Jericho
Orton
Adamle
The Fink
Don West
George Bush
I could go on forever.
ROH Punk Rules, WWE Punk Sucks.
All of these wrestlers Triple H has supposedly held back...who are they exactly? There are over 100 WWE Superstars on the main rosters of RAW, Smackdown and ECW. There are three World level titles. Most Wrestlers never get to wear the big belts, and not because they are being held back by Triple H. Its because they never developed enough, they are unreliable workers, aren't devoted to the business, don't have enough charisma, etc. CM Punk cashed in his MITB because the WWE felt it was time for him to do so. Its not because Edge screwed up, its not because Triple H has been conspiring against the Rated R Superstar. People who claim Triple H is the reason everything bad happens in the WWE are unimaginative, and incapable of coming up with new excuses. The Triple H conspiracy angle is played. Its tired, its worn out. Get a new excuse. Edge lost the belt because WWE management felt it was time to change the titles, to take the storylines into new directions, not because Paul Levesque feels the need to bury someone. If Vince McMahon decides something, its gonna take more than his son in law to change his mind. Orton got buried? How can he get buried, when he held the belt for as long as he did? Doesn't Orton's lengthy title reign prove that he WASN'T being buried by Triple H? The blame Triple H for everything excuses are just pathetic. CM Punk won because that's where they are taking the storylines, not because Edge is being buried by another wrestler. Stop looking at it as Edge being punished. He isn't.
Punk is a transitional champion, he is the Iron Sheik. He was a way to get a title back to Raw with out ruining a buy rate by giving away a match on TV. It also took away creative stress of what the hell are we going to do with MITB.
While Edge may "look weak" in our eyes, the casual fan will forget about it by the next PPV. Vince rewrites history on a damn near daily basis, the past has never really mattered in the WWE, unless they want it to, it's about the here and now.
I like Punk and I look forward to him getting a little bit of a rub from maybe Cena and JBL.
Since when has doing whats right for the business been considered punishment?
While Edge may "look weak" in our eyes, the casual fan will forget about it by the next PPV. Vince rewrites history on a damn near daily basis, the past has never really mattered in the WWE, unless they want it to, it's about the here and now.
I like Punk and I look forward to him getting a little bit of a rub from maybe Cena and JBL.
Since when has doing whats right for the business been considered punishment?
Gifted Music
Occasional Pre-Show
It's quite easy..Level of talent available for him to feud with..As much as I like CM Punk, a CM Punk/Chavo Guerrero feud does not excite me..You put him on SD or Raw where the level of talent is equal, it'd be a different story.. Morrison and Punk were the only two superstars who could pull in decent ratings..When Morrison got suspended, Punk was left with table scraps.
So...You're BLAMING CM Punk for capitalizing on other people's stupid mistakes? It was JEFF HARDY and WILLIAM REGAL who screwed up.. They deserve no sympathy whatsoever.. They had RAW in the palm of their hands and pissed it all away. It's not CM Punk's fault.. He did what any WWE Superstar would've done in his situation, he took the ball and ran with it.
Thats what was going to happen regardless...And CM Punk has a following unlike most people..People will still remember CM Punk's title win... Jeff Hardy's pops are more along the lines of John Cena's.. Most of them are women and children.
They probly went silent because they didn't know what was going on.. To be honest, I was silent too, but when I saw Punk come out with that referee I marked out. CM Punk Always, ALWAYS gets good pops.. Maybe not as big as Triple H or John Cena but he gets good enough pops.. Its not always about who gets the biggest pop.. If thats the case, we can just give the title to Shad. I'm serious, noone got a real big pop last night.. Not even Cena.. JR did, Batista did when he attacked Edge, but that's about it.. So I don't hold Punk's pop up there too much.
He won't turn heel.....Atleast not while he's Champion..I'm still not sold on Cody Rhodes as a main player and I havn't seen enough of Dibiase.. This is a good way to start off RAW...Now they can say, on CM Punk's first night on Raw, he became World Champion. It was surprising, it was refreshing, and i'm looking forward to seeing where it goes.
psykohurricane
Championship Contender
1. Hes stale.
2. Hes not as talented.
3. Hes got crap mic skills.
4. He isn't a Main Eventer.
5. He hasn't earned it properly, like others have been trying.
Agreed. Punk has the charisma of a Honey Bee. Hes flying around gold and needs to buzz off.
I'm very much a casual fan, and can assure you I do not love him. I can't even tolerate him.
Which is why he doesn't even belong in the spot hes fallen into. The top guys who get reactions deserve the Main Event push.
Did Curt Hennig win the W.W.F. Championship back when he debuted because he was a younger talent? Or did Hulk Hogan, who got the massive reaction, get the Championship? I rest my case.
1. John Cena
2. Triple H.
3. Shawn Michaels
4. The Undertaker
5. Edge
6. Jeff Hardy
7. Randy Orton
8. Mr. Kennedy
9. Chris Jericho
10. M.V.P.
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11. Kane
12. J.B.L.
13. Big Show
etc, etc, etc.. C.M. Punk may not even be breaking the top 15, and he damn sure isn't breaking the top 10.
If C.M. Punk had been booked properly, I wouldn't be losing it right now over this issue. The fact is, Indy Punk fell into this spot. It was Jeff Hardy's and I'm regretting them not just giving Hardy his spot back when he returned. Hell, I'm regretting not wanting Cena Champion.. not a lot, but still.
The fact is, if Indy Punk would've been pushed from the moment he WON Money in the Bank, then maybe he'd be a good Champion, and not just a bump in the road from getting the title off Smackdown and back to Raw.
1. Jeff Hardy: Questionable. The only reason why Hardy won't still be in the business 5 years from now would be due to personal problems that will create a downfall for him and ban him from the W.W.E.. or injuries.
2. Triple H.: Probable. The guy is the cornerstone of the W.W.E. Again, much like Hardy regarding injury, the only way H.H.H. won't still be in the business is if injuries have ended his career.
3. Chris Jericho: Questionable. He got burnt out in 2005. Whos to say in another 5 years he won't be burnt out again? The one thing that'll remain is the fact that he has the mic skills and talent to remain a definate in the business for as long as he wants though.
4. Batista: Probable. Its only a slight few from the "I.W.C." that bash him for being a bad worker, but the fact is Batista is becoming a cornerstone in the business just like John Cena and Triple H. Batista is the prototype for this generations "Super Heavyweight." No reason to think he'll be gone in 5 years, short of injuries.
As far as the rest, while I agree Shawn Michaels future doesn't look like it could go 5 more years.. the fact that he and Ric Flair are similar leads me to believe H.B.K. could possibly die or have a heart-attack in the ring before he hangs his boots up. He'll have to feel he has no ability left what-so-ever, before he quits.
The Undertaker is likely out the door within two years, but will always be a Legend who could be open to return from time to time, or only at Wrestlemania's.
J.B.L. and Kane will only be gone if their talent runs out. Neither guy has a tremendous amount, but they're both big names in the business, and as such have a role for what its worth.
I think the point I'm trying to make, that you're trying to over-shadow is the fact that Indy Punk was sling-shot into the Main Event role that guys like M.V.P. and Mr. Kennedy deserved first, because A.) They were remotely there first. (Kennedy was, M.V.P. came in around the same time I think) B.) They've definately grown by leaps and bounds, while Punk has hit the talent-wall.
Thats the whole point I'm making. M.V.P. could've been moved over from Smackdown to Raw. The whole storyline was even set in place for him to take the Championship and jump. M.V.P.'s current storyline is hes unhappy with Vickie Guerrero and Edge with how they're running things. He wants off Smackdown. So why wouldn't it of been perfect for him to take the title, find a "loop-hole" and jump to Raw?
You telling me you can't see beyond two weeks?
Seriously though. If Punk holds the Championship beyond Summerslam, I'll be downright shocked and sickened. There would have to be a damn good reason.
The only thing I suddenly came up with from last night to today, was that this is all playing into William Regal returning and taking the Championship from Indy Punk. Do I want that to happen? Originally yeah I wanted Regal as Champ.. but now, I could care less.
At this point, I'd mark hard if John Morrison (who is way more deserving) were to jump and defeat Indy Punk. The fact is, Indy Punk is so wrong for the spot that guys like Santino are now being considered FAVORABLE to win the Championship.
While I admit having the open door ability to foresee ANYONE as a top contender, it defeats the purpose of how special the Heavyweight Championship is.. to have it being capable of being won by any random individual, be them at the top or bottom of the card.
Thats just it, this isn't R.O. fucking H. This is the WORLD Wrestling Entertainment. Not some popcorn stand in the middle of a state somewhere, that is a fricken developmental farm system to groom future stars.
Making a huge mistake that if they had a true rival, could end up costing them their company. I realize this.
Hulk Hogan had charisma, and the look of a World Heavyweight Champion to jump from N.W.A. to W.W.F.
Kurt Angle is a wrestling machine dammit. How dare you classify Kurt Angle and Indy Punk in the same league. Colin fricken Delaney has more talent than Indy fricken Punk!
Christian was a huge boost for T.N.A.. when he jumped, he suddenly became a big star. Are you seriously trying to tell me Indy Punk just randomly leap frogged John Cena, Shawn Michaels and everyone else on Raw to be the very top guy.. which, as it stands with Raw being the "flagship" that would also make Indy Punk the very best in the company, as a whole. Thats a fricken Joke.
First of all if you think that C.M. Punk is stale in the WWE, you having seen Him wrestle in TNA because it was 10 times worst that what he's doing right now. The first time i saw C.M. Punk show up on screen in TNA, i thought this guy will always be a jobber because he had no charisma and didn't a lot of wrestling move in is repertoire and i couldn't care less about him. Then i went to ROH and somehow, Roh must have done something to him because he was such a good wrestler that the WWE decided to sign him to a developpement deal before TNA could sign him. Then he's went through OVW and pretty much became what he is today so don't tell me he doesn'T deserve it.
Another that did really bother me in what you wrote is that you would have prefer having MVP who, since losing the US championship, has become has boring as any other wrestler today or Kenendy a guy who isn'T able to take is foot out of his mouth when doing promotion for the wwe. I don't say that they don'T deserve it but let's face it. Kennedy had his chance twice last year and blew them both, the first time was because of a injury and the second time was because he was suspended and wasn'T able to shut up digging himself into a hold with the media by denying that he was taking drugs. HAs for MVP like i said before the guy is in the same boat as C.M. Punk right now, his character as become boring and i'm sure that most of the fans are as bored as i him because for what i hear, the guy doesn'T get the reaction he was getting a couple of month ago.
I got just two other thing to said about what you wrote. First of all, They did give Hulk Hogan the belt when he first arrive to the WWE because it didn't take 2 month before hogan got the belt and it was simply because of how popular he was. Secondly, if you have read some of the interview that BAtista did recently, you would understand why o saw that BAtista might be retiring really soon. The guys said that he was hoping to be able to get a agent job within the WWE in a couple years so that tell me that the guys is thinking about retiring.
In conclusion i got to say that first of all, everybody that write on this board cannot considered themselves as casual fans because a casual would spend time on the internet writing there opinion on a wrestling board, Secondly as much as i didn't like the way they gave him the belt, i'm glad that they took a risk a gave the ball to c.m punk to run with. If it wasn't for gutsy move like that, HBK wouldn'T be the main event star that he is today, Bret HArt and Eddie Guerrero wouldn'T be hall of famers, and what happened with chris benoit wouldn't be as big of a deal at it was last year. So if i was working for the wwe, i would give c.m. punk 3 months to prove that he can carry the raw brand and after that if that's a complete failure then just give the belt back to Cena anyway i don't see how having c.m punk as champion is would effect the rating, they hadn't have a interesting champion since Edge so fans are use of having a bland champion anyways.
hahaha I love reading OneBigDouche's criticism on Punk. consistently bitches and moans about his status in the WWE yet he busts a load over shitty Ted Dibiase Jr.'s crappy ass slogan.
plain and simple, what happened last night was AWESOME. it was a big surprise, the way they set it up and played it all out was perfect, just a great segment. I do like Punk, yes I agree's he's gone stale since WM24 and his mic skills need tuning up (then again how often has he worked the mic over the past 3 months?).. he's gonna have to turn it up though now that he's a certified main eventer (at least for the time being). it's hard to be face with the gimmick he has in the WWE since everytime he talks about his straightedge lifestyle it'll sound like he's bragging or something and people might get sick of it, so instead they just choose to have him stay quieter and hope everyone still likes him.
plain and simple, what happened last night was AWESOME. it was a big surprise, the way they set it up and played it all out was perfect, just a great segment. I do like Punk, yes I agree's he's gone stale since WM24 and his mic skills need tuning up (then again how often has he worked the mic over the past 3 months?).. he's gonna have to turn it up though now that he's a certified main eventer (at least for the time being). it's hard to be face with the gimmick he has in the WWE since everytime he talks about his straightedge lifestyle it'll sound like he's bragging or something and people might get sick of it, so instead they just choose to have him stay quieter and hope everyone still likes him.
psykohurricane
Championship Contender
First igot to to disagree with you on this, CM punk does get a good reaction from the crowd, sure it'S not the same type of reaction that REy mysterio or Jeff HArdy gets but it'S still better then most of the guys on raw. Secondly, i don'T think that C.M. punk took away the A show stigma that Raw had before he won the title, the A show stigma was gone a long time ago in my opinion and the only reason nobody was seeing it was because HHH was on the show. RAw hasn'T been good for a very long time, When Cena got injured last year and ORton won the belt, he was one of the worst champion ever and pretty much was boring the hell out of people. His feud outside the one with Jeff hardy were'nt that great and you didn'T have the feeling that something big could happen during the show. Last night for the first time in i don't know how long, they've gave us that moment of unknown that has been missing from RAw. So in a way Punk's world title win was a positive for RAw because now people will be tuning in to see if something unexpected will happen. The only problem that i had with last night was how they pretty much were trying to push Punk down are throat. How much time did they spend reminding us the Punk had just won the belt. The showed the replay at less three time plus you had rey mysterio talk about it than you had the little interview with punk and JBL and after that you had cena talk about it. After a while i was thinking that maybe they were trying a little to hard to push this guy and maybe they want him to fail. But i hope that'S not the case because the WWE does need new blood and Punk as earn is due throughout his career to be a world champion in the wwe and he deserve this moment.
ironman1180
Dark Match Jobber
I agree. If anything, Punk's win last night HELPED Raw. Maybe not long-term, but definitely short-term. It helps the ratings, which is going to boost morale, because people are finally watching again. It's something NEW. They had the title defended twice on the show for the first time in history, and a guy who's been working his way up the entire time he's been in the company won it. Personally, I see nothing wrong with that.
Crimson Bonez
Been a peep since 2004
yes i like the fact that wwe changed it up and got somebody new in the world title scene it was unpredictable, but no i dont like that its cm punk that gets it, there are other wreslters who worked harder IN WWE that diserve that spot that hes in, yes i hear that he was good in ROH, but what has he done in wwe, remember this is the same guy that lost to the miz, a heel, and in this match miz didnt cheat, he aint use no outside interference, has little wreslting experience, and agin i throw in the fact that he is a heel and he cheated not 1 time in the match and punk lost, we are talking about the same guy thats ben jobbing to chavo for how long now just last week maybe 2 weeks ago and now hes the world champ, i dont think hes ready to be in that spot
and for those that say "hes in with the crowd" "hes a crowd favorite", so is hardy, so is kennedy, and MVP is also (i dont mean with the ppl in attendence, since hes booed but hes got what it takes to be world champ) these 3 havfe proven they are ready for the spot, they've earned the chance to be world champ . for those that say he gets a big pop, he gets cheered just like the rest of the faces that arent big fan favs, and last night i saw (i dvr or ti-vo what eva you wana call it raw and impact in case i fall asleep i can watch in morn), but after watching agin he just got a reg cheer, every1 started to cheer more when they realized he came out with a ref and was pointing to the case, they new what was going on that he was cashing in, thats when the pop came in but he gets cheered just like the reg faces
to me hes boring in the ring, he doesnt have good mic skills (which is what alot of ppl are saying you need to be world champ), boring promos, i could go on but you get the point
yes i no that mvp hardy and kennedy are smackdown they could have worked out something to get at least 1 of them bak on raw but what im trying to get at is that there are others above punk new guys that could have easyly got a bigger pop bigger buzz bigger reaction by winning the world titleand who diserve it better than he does, agin i like the fact that its some1 new something different something unpredictable im not complaining just saying that i dont like the fact that punk got the title over others that diserved it
tell me what this guy has done IN WWE that made him diserve that position before others (and you can just do kennedy, punk and mvp since those are the 1s alot are naming)what has he done thats better, left a bigger mark than these 3? that is what id like to no
and for those that say "hes in with the crowd" "hes a crowd favorite", so is hardy, so is kennedy, and MVP is also (i dont mean with the ppl in attendence, since hes booed but hes got what it takes to be world champ) these 3 havfe proven they are ready for the spot, they've earned the chance to be world champ . for those that say he gets a big pop, he gets cheered just like the rest of the faces that arent big fan favs, and last night i saw (i dvr or ti-vo what eva you wana call it raw and impact in case i fall asleep i can watch in morn), but after watching agin he just got a reg cheer, every1 started to cheer more when they realized he came out with a ref and was pointing to the case, they new what was going on that he was cashing in, thats when the pop came in but he gets cheered just like the reg faces
to me hes boring in the ring, he doesnt have good mic skills (which is what alot of ppl are saying you need to be world champ), boring promos, i could go on but you get the point
yes i no that mvp hardy and kennedy are smackdown they could have worked out something to get at least 1 of them bak on raw but what im trying to get at is that there are others above punk new guys that could have easyly got a bigger pop bigger buzz bigger reaction by winning the world titleand who diserve it better than he does, agin i like the fact that its some1 new something different something unpredictable im not complaining just saying that i dont like the fact that punk got the title over others that diserved it
tell me what this guy has done IN WWE that made him diserve that position before others (and you can just do kennedy, punk and mvp since those are the 1s alot are naming)what has he done thats better, left a bigger mark than these 3? that is what id like to no
Well the fact of the matter is, the Raw Ratings are in, and the ratings are good news. The first hour did a 3.43 and the second hour jumped a whole point and a half to 3.58, which means that CM Punk is drawing better as champion then Triple H and Randy Orton....
Anyways, that's a good number for the WWE, unlike the verbal backlash you see on here, most people didn't turn out, and in fact, people did indeed stay tuned throughout the night. Again, I still don't see the Harm in the WWE trying something new. In my opinion, it says that the WWE at this point feel that John Cena is bigger then the title and are trying to use the title to make another main eventer, and I have no problem with that
Anyways, that's a good number for the WWE, unlike the verbal backlash you see on here, most people didn't turn out, and in fact, people did indeed stay tuned throughout the night. Again, I still don't see the Harm in the WWE trying something new. In my opinion, it says that the WWE at this point feel that John Cena is bigger then the title and are trying to use the title to make another main eventer, and I have no problem with that
I had posted that in the Night Of Champions: Edge vs Batista thread. I guess my thought came true in some form
I like freshening up things time to time and will have to wait and see how this reflects in the ratings and such. I think CM Punk might have been penned to win a heavyweight title even earlier but was held back due to backstage ego and attitude problems from what is rumored. That would explain all his recent losses piling up. Sort of a test of his character and ego. It will be interesting to see how the top of the card shakes down on Raw now. Will Punk or Cena turn heel (I would like to still see Cena turn heel)? Batista vs Punk? I could see Jericho vs Punk down the line, they had a good match a little while ago on RAW if I remember. I wonder where the Batista/Edge feud goes too since they are on different shows. Will they continue it somehow, will Edge feud with CM Punk somehow? Also you can wonder if this is just a short term deal with him winning the title.Sunsetrocket
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I loved it, and it completely caught me off guard. However, as I've been saying all day, I don't want to see him pushed as a spur of the moment champion. He has the ability to be a huge star in the E, but it depends on how they push him and prior to him winning the belt on Monday, we all know how badly he was pushed after winning MITB. I love this story though. A virtual indy guy for years making it to the top of the top show in the biggest company in the business.
justinsayne
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Wow, WWE finally does what people have been saying they need eto do for years now, and push a young talent into the ME, they put the title on some one new, and tried something dare I say somewhat original & different, and now people are bitching about it?!?, whether you like it or not Punk is champ, and Punk becoming champ has both brought the ratings up, and has people talking, as far as people saying that Triple H should have dropped the title last night instead of Edge, you seriously need to think about what you are saying here, I mean how much sense would it have made if a face Triple H had interrupt JR, and run his mouth how no one on RAW can take his title, and then have a face Batista (or Cena) come out and beat the hell out of him, and then have a face Punk cash in his MITB title shot on a face Triple H, yeah that would have made loads of sense
FromTheSouth
You don't want it with me.
I've settled down a bit now. If you have read my anti-Punk posts, my position is clear. If not, to summarize, I think he's boring and sloppy. Just my opinion.
That being said, the swerve was amazing. And I am willing to give Punk a chance to impress me. Some of his ROH stuff was good. I've even liked a few of his matches in ECW. His reign isn't going to be long, not the first time, so let's see what the kid's got.
Thank you WWE for surprising us. Keep up the good work.
That being said, the swerve was amazing. And I am willing to give Punk a chance to impress me. Some of his ROH stuff was good. I've even liked a few of his matches in ECW. His reign isn't going to be long, not the first time, so let's see what the kid's got.
Thank you WWE for surprising us. Keep up the good work.
Loved that RAW show, it was the best and most unpredictible show for awhile in my opinion.
I like that punk won the title the way he did. I didn't expect it at all. I'd rather see him champ than Batista or Cena. I think the company are doing the right thing in pushing younger talent. Its something different for once.
I also didn't expect John Cena to come back with Cryme tyme and beat up JBL's security. That was great to.
I like that punk won the title the way he did. I didn't expect it at all. I'd rather see him champ than Batista or Cena. I think the company are doing the right thing in pushing younger talent. Its something different for once.
I also didn't expect John Cena to come back with Cryme tyme and beat up JBL's security. That was great to.
BigShowEatsPizza
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The first half hour of RAW was probably one of the best first half hours of RAW we'll ever see. The moment I saw that ref my draw dropped. I mean, the timing was really off for CM Punk's momentum, but just the fact that it happened so suddenly makes it exciting. In fact, it's probably the most exciting thing to happen on RAW in a year or two maybe longer...
To the people that think RAW is lacking good main events... I don't really know what more you could want...
I would love to see Punk feud with so many of the guys on RAW simply because he hasn't already at all. I would love to see a CM Punk vs Y2J feud to start him off as champ. Now that Kane is back on RAW, I'd love to see him turn heel on someone (even CM Punk!) so he could feud with Rey or HBK or especially Cena. Watching Kane chokeslam Cena always puts a smile on my face. If Kane were to turn heel, it would be great to have Taker return to feud with him too. How great would it be to see one last Taker vs Kane feud???
To the people that think RAW is lacking good main events... I don't really know what more you could want...
I would love to see Punk feud with so many of the guys on RAW simply because he hasn't already at all. I would love to see a CM Punk vs Y2J feud to start him off as champ. Now that Kane is back on RAW, I'd love to see him turn heel on someone (even CM Punk!) so he could feud with Rey or HBK or especially Cena. Watching Kane chokeslam Cena always puts a smile on my face. If Kane were to turn heel, it would be great to have Taker return to feud with him too. How great would it be to see one last Taker vs Kane feud???
JohnnyWrestledude
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Wow! Alot of you guys don't like Punk, I wonder what it is that makes smarks dislike him so much? Sure, maybe he wasn't quite ready to cash in MITB but I do believe he's ready for a good run. Some posters said his ringwork is sloppy? I disagree. His ringwork might not be ME level yet, but the same people that said Punk's not ready also said that Randy Orton doesn't deserve to be there??? Orton and the next generation wrestlers are looking very good to me, seems they've all been trained very well(Especially Ted Dibiase) Dibiase feuding with Punk down the road is something I'd like to see. Sorry, went off topic. Bottom line is that while Punk needs work, he's definitely ready for the big time on Raw...
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