C.M. Punk Wins The WHC

[sladetwc]

Life with CM Punk as champion will not be as catastrophic as some would like to proclaim. Life with JBL as champion? I would have wanted to pluck my eyeballs out with a grapefruit spoon.

Honestly, for those who are in an uproar for Edge losing his title, when I was watching NOC on Sunday, I kept thinking, "There probably won't be any changes tonight, but next week will be big." And I was SURE that Punk would come out and challenge HHH after his match with Cena. So Punk cashed his MITB in against a heel... isn't that what faces are supposed to do? Why does it matter how it was done? What makes taking advantage of a downed heel less noble than fighting for 15 minutes and then MAYBE coming home with the gold?

In my opinion, MORE faces should take care of business that way. What's good for the goose and all...

So let's just see whether Punk can do anything with the WHC. I truly hope he does, because I do enjoy his wrestling, but I wish to hell he'd go back to the Anaconda Vise because I'm tired of seeing wrestlers get dropped, then while standing, bending down and hitting their faces against Punk's raised knee.

 

[Sheiky_Baby]

Good to see that they've rocked the boat with this, quite like CM Punk, an entertaining wrestler and a good up and coming talent.

Think this will signal the much expected Batista heel turn, frustrated that despite the amount of effort he put in an attempt to get the belt off Edge, that it was infact CM Punk who came out WHC in the end up.

Interesting times.

 

[kingrko]

There apparently are a lot of people on here that don't like punk, that don't like his ability. Fact is though, he IS World Heavyweight Champion! An excellent feud for him would be Y2J, HBK, Cena, or even Mysterio. (No powerhouse like Batista.) My prediction is that he loses the title quite quickly, and that makes him turn heel to get the title back. (Personally, I don't want him to lose the title, I want to see where WWE goes with this reign.) Or better, he turns heel with the title, which could give him big heat. He could do it by maybe costing Cena or Batista a number one contender's match, or something. All in all, I think this was a good move by WWE and unlike most people I was tired of Edge as champion

 

[BooCocky]

In all honesty, CM Punk bores the crap out of me, but i was shocked when he cashed it in. It made him the opportunist, and it opened up new feuds and possible face/heel changes and it brought up a new main eventer. the reign might not last long but its something new, and its always worth a shot, even though Ratings went up after Punk lost the ECW title, hopefully it'll change, and hopefully WWE keeps this momentum, but i guess this title reign will last until the next ppv or the one after that in a triple threat match.

 

[jbremner2]

I don't see what the big problem is here with CM Pink winning the title. For the past few years everyone has been saying the WWE has been going stale, nothing new happens, the same old same old. Now when something new happens its like omg, that seriously shouldnt of hppened. Yes CM Punk has been getting buried, but he wasnt the person that was meant to win the MITB match now was he, becouse Jeff Hardy got suspended Punk won. And you can talk about politics all you want, but Triple H doesnt make the decisions at the end of the day, but Vince is his own man and does what he want. I can see this as the start of a Edge, Triple H feud which i have no doubt that Edge wll win the title.

Back to Punk winning, this is a great surprise. Is CM Punk ready for it, probably not, will he lose the title, probably so. Look at Randy Orton's first run, was he ready for it, probably not but he got it and its made him the top heel he is today. Edge losing isnt the worst thing that can happn, if anything it makes himstill look credible as the person that got the crap beat out of him then lost his belt when he wsnt ready.

I just think this is a great move that the WWE did, and good luck to Punk, he is part of many young wrestlers who are the future of the WWE. Well maybe the future is closer than we allthink, maybe a hard working great talent is somethig the WWE needed to give their title to on Raw. Maybe he will surprise everyone and be a great champion, the underdog that wins, holds the title and becomes a credible champion, i know one thing that i will be watching to see who this plays out.

 

[Luther_Hull]

Who said WWE had become predictable? I never in a million years expected this, to be honest, I forgot that Punk even held the MITB briefcase, I thought they would've waited until he was more over. But I'm glad they didn't, if they'd pushed him into the main event scene beforehand we'd have seen this coming a mile off. This is great, IMO, it shows that WWE now prepared to take chances, they haven't got anything to lose right about now. I think Punk can only get stronger from the position he's in now, he'll be a bonafide main event player for years to come. Which is awesome.

 

[Gifted Music]

The simple fact is, Edge has already defeated Indy Punk in a regular match. Punk won via following the ways of Edge himself.. and thats it. Punk was the first "face" to cash in in a heelish fashion, because the guy has been jobbing to everyone for the past year.

Sadly, I predict him to actually go on to defeat Edge in a single's rematch, merely to prove he isn't a fluke Champion. I just hope whoever wrote this shit will get off the crack and realize he very much IS a fluke Champion. Hes currently holding Jeff Hardy's original storyline.



La' Familia isn't crap, its one of the best stables (if not practically the only) in the W.W.E. right now. Vickie Guerrero is one of the best heels in all of the W.W.E. right now, thats how hot her and Edge are in this storyline.

So clearly it makes perfect fucking sense to cost Edge his Main Event Championship Especially to a guy who was being upstaged by a midget a few weeks ago.



What the hell? Thats about the equal to saying you're the smartest kid with down syndrome. C.M. Punk wasn't the highest rated/most watched Champion E.C.W. had either.. John Morrison was.

Let me give you an example of the pop Punk gets.

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Do you hear that amazing pop? NO, you sure as hell don't. Because there was none.. until after he won. At which point everyone in that arena collectively stepped in dog shit.



Yes.. Cena.. anything but Indy Punk. If Cena defeated Triple H., it would build Triple H. v. Edge for the World Championship toward either Summerslam, Survivor Series or Wrestlemania. At which point Edge would continue being exactly what he was.. a very dominate Champion.

Now you have Indy Punk, who'll suddenly make Mark Henry's E.C.W. Championship title defenses seem worth something. Congrats needs to go to the W.W.E., for making E.C.W. not so shitty anymore.

Let me bring some objectivity here... Asfar as who the popular ECW Champion was.. John Morrison's only feud as Champion was CM Punk so the ratings spike had just as much to do with people tuning in to see if CM Punk would finally defeat John Morrison as it did with Morrison being a good Champion. Secondly. this is what people said would never happen. Several years ago before Punk signed with WWE.. "CM Punk would never sign with WWE.. Vince doesn't like him." Or "CM Punk would never be World Champion in WWE.. He's not a Vince McMahon guy and Vince doesn't like Indy wrestlers and their style".. Well now CM Punk is your New World Heavyweight Champion and I couldn't be happier.

Think about it..Who saw it coming? I guarantee you if John Cena or Batista had won it, people would be bitching for weeks that Vince is doing the same old bullshit and feeding the Raw roster to Cena.. Now we have CHANGE! Embrace it.. I think you're being way too hard on him.. Indy Punk? I didn't hear that loud of a pop for anyone on Raw last night except JR and maybe Batista so the pop Punk got is actually good. He definately has the mat skills to succeed. He could definately work the underdog Champion ala Eddie Guerrero and Rey Mysterio. I'd love to see a Punk/Mysterio match or even a CM Punk/Rey Mysterio tag team.. The reign will only last a month or two but it's refreshing that someone other than Triple H, Randy Orton, or John Cena is top dog on Raw.. Honestly I didn't think it'd happen for awhile but i'm glad it did and, while I think Punk could use a bit more seasoning, i'm glad he's the World Heavyweight Champion and ALL of the IWC, most of which are in love with Independant superstars like Punk and Joe, should be aswell.

 

[StInGeR-HBK]

Whether you like CM Punk or hate him, WWE is getting exactly what they wanted. Everyone is talking about WWE and Raw and what's gonna happen with the WHC and who's gonna challenge CM Punk. Everyone, including the CM Punk haters, are gonna be watching the show just to see what happens with the Championship and Punk. Me personally, I like Punk and was happy to see him win the WHC! I just hope the creative team doesn't make him look like a nobody like they did with Mysterio when he was champ!

 

[RSM700]

You know you just hating when you say Mark Henry will be more entertaining, and I think Mark's deserves a pat on the back belive it or not, he has improved and survived the Mae Young/Sexual Chocolate crap. But this is not about Mark Henry, we all know we rather see Punk wrestle.

And I always thought that something like this would be a good idea. A mid-carder(with main-event potential of course) coming in and winning the title out of nowhere, there's not much shock when a main-eventer win the title, but when someone like Punk wins it's special and unique they should do this every few years really....anyone remember when Bret Hart won his first World Championship?

 

[Mr Wrestlemania]

Vince McMahon said it best when he said it was time to shake things up. The last time I recall seeing a world championship change hands on Raw it was when Mankind first won the WWF Title. When I saw that I was shocked. When I saw Punk come down the ramp with a ref, I can easily say...that I marked the hell out. I knew what was happening and I couldn't wait. Though I think they could've made a SICK program with those two, it was nice to see Edge lose the title the way he'd won it before and Raw needed a champ. Congrats to CM Punk!

 

[DeadmanInc.]

Ironically, the last time the title changed hands on RAW was when Edge beat RVD and Cena for it.

Anyways, as I've said many times, CM Punk isn't ready to be a World Champion. He is still sloppy in the ring and has absolutely no character whatsoever. He's just going to be a transitional champion for either Cena or (unfortunately) JBL, from the looks of things. WWE did a great job at throwing a curveball out there that no one expected, but to me it just seems like they needed some way to get a World Title back onto RAW. I think they wrote themselves into a corner and realized that there isn't another way to get the belt back on RAW. Batista's match was a "last chance" match and HHH/Cena are now even in their rivalry.

I hope this leads to a Triple H vs Edge feud and HHH better drop the belt to Edge. I really hope this RAW isn't the beginning of Edge's burial.

 

[TheOneBigWill]

Give one good reason, outside the fact to you clearly hate C.M. punk, why having c.m. punk has champion is a slap in the face to every main event and upper mid carder on both roster.

1. Hes stale.
2. Hes not as talented.
3. Hes got crap mic skills.
4. He isn't a Main Eventer.
5. He hasn't earned it properly, like others have been trying.

O.k. so C.M. punk isn'T the most charismatic guy in the world

Agreed. Punk has the charisma of a Honey Bee. Hes flying around gold and needs to buzz off.

casual fans still love him.

I'm very much a casual fan, and can assure you I do not love him. I can't even tolerate him.

Sure i doesn't get the type of reaction that a guy like Jeff HArdy is getting

Which is why he doesn't even belong in the spot hes fallen into. The top guys who get reactions deserve the Main Event push.

Did Curt Hennig win the W.W.F. Championship back when he debuted because he was a younger talent? Or did Hulk Hogan, who got the massive reaction, get the Championship? I rest my case.

but again he's still in the top 10 guy that casual love to watch

1. John Cena
2. Triple H.
3. Shawn Michaels
4. The Undertaker
5. Edge
6. Jeff Hardy
7. Randy Orton
8. Mr. Kennedy
9. Chris Jericho
10. M.V.P.
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11. Kane
12. J.B.L.
13. Big Show

etc, etc, etc.. C.M. Punk may not even be breaking the top 15, and he damn sure isn't breaking the top 10.

so why not except the fact that C.M is the champion and if book properly, the guy could be a major player for years to come.

If C.M. Punk had been booked properly, I wouldn't be losing it right now over this issue. The fact is, Indy Punk fell into this spot. It was Jeff Hardy's and I'm regretting them not just giving Hardy his spot back when he returned. Hell, I'm regretting not wanting Cena Champion.. not a lot, but still.

The fact is, if Indy Punk would've been pushed from the moment he WON Money in the Bank, then maybe he'd be a good Champion, and not just a bump in the road from getting the title off Smackdown and back to Raw.

Also just another quick question, on the list of wrestler that you name before, how many guys to you see still be in the wwe in five years.

1. Jeff Hardy: Questionable. The only reason why Hardy won't still be in the business 5 years from now would be due to personal problems that will create a downfall for him and ban him from the W.W.E.. or injuries.

2. Triple H.: Probable. The guy is the cornerstone of the W.W.E. Again, much like Hardy regarding injury, the only way H.H.H. won't still be in the business is if injuries have ended his career.

3. Chris Jericho: Questionable. He got burnt out in 2005. Whos to say in another 5 years he won't be burnt out again? The one thing that'll remain is the fact that he has the mic skills and talent to remain a definate in the business for as long as he wants though.

4. Batista: Probable. Its only a slight few from the "I.W.C." that bash him for being a bad worker, but the fact is Batista is becoming a cornerstone in the business just like John Cena and Triple H. Batista is the prototype for this generations "Super Heavyweight." No reason to think he'll be gone in 5 years, short of injuries.

As far as the rest, while I agree Shawn Michaels future doesn't look like it could go 5 more years.. the fact that he and Ric Flair are similar leads me to believe H.B.K. could possibly die or have a heart-attack in the ring before he hangs his boots up. He'll have to feel he has no ability left what-so-ever, before he quits.

The Undertaker is likely out the door within two years, but will always be a Legend who could be open to return from time to time, or only at Wrestlemania's.

J.B.L. and Kane will only be gone if their talent runs out. Neither guy has a tremendous amount, but they're both big names in the business, and as such have a role for what its worth.

Pretty much everybody name on that list except for kennedy and MVP and maybe Cena don't have many years left in there career. HBK is pretty past is prime and i would'nt be surprised if he retires in a couple of years, same goes for HHH, BAtista, Kane, The Undertaker, JBL and maybe jericho and Jeff HArdy

I think the point I'm trying to make, that you're trying to over-shadow is the fact that Indy Punk was sling-shot into the Main Event role that guys like M.V.P. and Mr. Kennedy deserved first, because A.) They were remotely there first. (Kennedy was, M.V.P. came in around the same time I think) B.) They've definately grown by leaps and bounds, while Punk has hit the talent-wall.

so the time is now to create new stars and having C.M. punk win the world title is a step in the right direction in my opinion especially since he's the only young talent on raw that gets a pretty reaction from the crowd. MVP and Kennedy will get there chance eventually on smackdown

Thats the whole point I'm making. M.V.P. could've been moved over from Smackdown to Raw. The whole storyline was even set in place for him to take the Championship and jump. M.V.P.'s current storyline is hes unhappy with Vickie Guerrero and Edge with how they're running things. He wants off Smackdown. So why wouldn't it of been perfect for him to take the title, find a "loop-hole" and jump to Raw?

so learn to live with it because i don'T see thing changing for the time being.

You telling me you can't see beyond two weeks?

Seriously though. If Punk holds the Championship beyond Summerslam, I'll be downright shocked and sickened. There would have to be a damn good reason.

The only thing I suddenly came up with from last night to today, was that this is all playing into William Regal returning and taking the Championship from Indy Punk. Do I want that to happen? Originally yeah I wanted Regal as Champ.. but now, I could care less.

At this point, I'd mark hard if John Morrison (who is way more deserving) were to jump and defeat Indy Punk. The fact is, Indy Punk is so wrong for the spot that guys like Santino are now being considered FAVORABLE to win the Championship.

While I admit having the open door ability to foresee ANYONE as a top contender, it defeats the purpose of how special the Heavyweight Championship is.. to have it being capable of being won by any random individual, be them at the top or bottom of the card.

Ok, so some of you do not like Punk. Big deal.

Personally, im a huge mark for him from seeing him in Roh. If putting the title on him makes more ROH watch the WWE product and thus raise higher ratings, good for them.

Thats just it, this isn't R.O. fucking H. This is the WORLD Wrestling Entertainment. Not some popcorn stand in the middle of a state somewhere, that is a fricken developmental farm system to groom future stars.

They are just doing what every other promotion has done in the past. Hogan jumped ship, despite working a different style to the NWa? He got the title. Kurt Angle. Yep he got the title too. Christian? Oh my god, he got the title too. And so on and so forth

Making a huge mistake that if they had a true rival, could end up costing them their company. I realize this.

Hulk Hogan had charisma, and the look of a World Heavyweight Champion to jump from N.W.A. to W.W.F.

Kurt Angle is a wrestling machine dammit. How dare you classify Kurt Angle and Indy Punk in the same league. Colin fricken Delaney has more talent than Indy fricken Punk!

Christian was a huge boost for T.N.A.. when he jumped, he suddenly became a big star. Are you seriously trying to tell me Indy Punk just randomly leap frogged John Cena, Shawn Michaels and everyone else on Raw to be the very top guy.. which, as it stands with Raw being the "flagship" that would also make Indy Punk the very best in the company, as a whole. Thats a fricken Joke.

 

[ROHDude]

World Champion: CM Punk
Intercontinental Champion: Kofi Kingston
Tag Champs: Dibiase & Rhodes

RAW is exciting for once. For the past 3 years its been the same old shit, but look at our champions now. We have fresh young talent. The WWE is actually making an attempt at changing things up and making new stars.

Since 04' the WWE couldn't do anything right. I hated everything they did, because it was boring and predictable with the same people. I for once (since the Wars) can't wait for next Monday night. Now The E is fresh and exciting.

 

[TheOneBigWill]

Let me bring some objectivity here... Asfar as who the popular ECW Champion was.. John Morrison's only feud as Champion was CM Punk so the ratings spike had just as much to do with people tuning in to see if CM Punk would finally defeat John Morrison as it did with Morrison being a good Champion.

If thats the case, which I'm about to bust out some knowledge on you.. then why on earth, did the ratings suddenly drop when Indy Punk WON the Championship.. and John Morrison LEFT the Main Event spot?

Hmm.. its not multiple choice, but the answer is crystal clear. Its because John Morrison was who they tuned in to see. That combined with a slight edge to the Chris Benoit tragedy I would assume.

Either way, Indy Punk was sucking the spotlight as quickly as he could from the talent that Morrison has, and the tragedy of the Benoit Family. Punk had absolutely NOTHING to do with the ratings.

And if he did, then again.. please enlighten me as to why they suddenly dropped when he won the title and Morrison left the Main Event picture.

Secondly. this is what people said would never happen. Several years ago before Punk signed with WWE.. "CM Punk would never sign with WWE.. Vince doesn't like him." Or "CM Punk would never be World Champion in WWE.. He's not a Vince McMahon guy and Vince doesn't like Indy wrestlers and their style".. Well now CM Punk is your New World Heavyweight Champion and I couldn't be happier.

I love how people are begging and asking me to give the guy a chance, when everyone who likes him is even refering to him still being an Indy worker. Hes been in the W.W.E. for going on two years. Hes had long enough to apply his trait and become something.. instead, he fell into a spot because the other guy screwed up and got suspended.

Infact, I'm willing to believe William Regal would be where Punk is right now, had HE not gotten suspended. Indy Punk is not deserving, and until he does something to prove to me otherwise.. I won't believe, assume or even attempt to think he could be.

Think about it..Who saw it coming? I guarantee you if John Cena or Batista had won it, people would be bitching for weeks that Vince is doing the same old bullshit and feeding the Raw roster to Cena.. Now we have CHANGE! Embrace it.. I think you're being way too hard on him.. Indy Punk?

The fact is thats just it. I've said it since last night.. the moment was shocking. It was a great moment in the fact that it was shocking and unseeable. It was amazing for that aspect. But in 6 monthes, you start asking people who belonged to that shocking moment.. and they'll randomly start replying with.. "Well, I swore Jeff Hardy had that spot, but I don't remember him there. I.. I don't know, must've been someone though."

The fact is, plain and simple.. Indy Punk wasn't and isn't ready. Now hes either gotta grow up and learn very quickly in the span of a week, or else the W.W.E. will have a massive problem on their hands. And the quick fix will be Cena/Batista suddenly getting the title.

So either way you look at it, the title is likely heading back to the one guy you feel everyone would bitch and complain about.

I didn't hear that loud of a pop for anyone on Raw last night except JR and maybe Batista so the pop Punk got is actually good. He definately has the mat skills to succeed. He could definately work the underdog Champion ala Eddie Guerrero and Rey Mysterio. I'd love to see a Punk/Mysterio match or even a CM Punk/Rey Mysterio tag team.. The reign will only last a month or two but it's refreshing that someone other than Triple H, Randy Orton, or John Cena is top dog on Raw..

You should've just stopped with the part I bolded, because if you heard anything, you weren't watching the same show. I've already explained the aftermath pop.

Of course people are going to cheer for the Championship changing hands. Again, seriously, Colin Delaney could've won the Championship and the fans would've still counted to three along with the official.. and popped huge for a new Champion.

The important pop is the one when he shockingly entered. The entire arena went silent, because they collective looked to each other, pulled out their cell phones and called/texted their loved ones because they thought Armageddon had arrived and they were all about to die.

Honestly I didn't think it'd happen for awhile but i'm glad it did and, while I think Punk could use a bit more seasoning, i'm glad he's the World Heavyweight Champion and ALL of the IWC, most of which are in love with Independant superstars like Punk and Joe, should be aswell.

A bit more seasoning? If the guy was any more plain he'd fricken be rice. The guy needs a lot of work, and the only thing savable about this entire situation could be a heel turn.. Or a possible stable, with Cody Rhodes and Ted Dibiase.

 

[Shocky]

World Champion: CM Punk
Intercontinental Champion: Kofi Kingston
Tag Champs: Dibiase & Rhodes

RAW is exciting for once. For the past 3 years its been the same old shit, but look at our champions now. We have fresh young talent. The WWE is actually making an attempt at changing things up and making new stars.

Since 04' the WWE couldn't do anything right. I hated everything they did, because it was boring and predictable with the same people. I for once (since the Wars) can't wait for next Monday night. Now The E is fresh and exciting.

That post pretty much sums up my opinion on the situation. It's amazing that people have complained how bad and predictable the WWE is, yet here we are with those guys as champions on the A Show, not so much predictable anymore.

I for one haven't watched Raw regularly since 2005. In fact, this week and last week was the first time I've watched Raws live in back to back weeks since 2005, and I plan on watching again next week.

This is the WWE I've missed. The risk taking, not giving a shit WWE. It's amazing how much creative has opened up in ONE WEEK without Triple H on the show. Punk is a damn good choice, because it's ballsy.

It seems to me that people don't like Punk as champion out of spite. Their favorite wrestler didn't get the belt, so now they are upset. Punk has worked his ass off and has done it the right way.

John Morrison, Kennedy, Jeff Hardy, and the list of others that have been spewed off, especially those three I mentioned, only can look into the mirror and blame themselves for why they are not champion and CM Punk is.

 

[TheOneBigWill]

Punk is a damn good choice, because it's ballsy.

How is he ballsy? His gimmick is that he doesn't do anything. His gimmick is a mirror image of his whole wrestling career and ability.. plain.

It seems to me that people don't like Punk as champion out of spite. Their favorite wrestler didn't get the belt, so now they are upset.

I'll admit first hand I'm downright outraged that Edge had to be the one to lose the Championship. Since Indy Punk won in the fashion he did, while the irony is with me on doing it to Edge.. it was still a very low thing for a face to do, and only makes every wrestling fan who cheered this outcome and booed Edge when he did it.. look like an idiot.

When a face cheats, its fine. When a heel does it, its because he can't win any other way. Please.

At any rate, my point is.. Triple H. should've been the guy to put Punk over. I'm outraged more at the fact that H.H.H. wasn't the guy to allow Punk to gain heel heat off of, as that would've been better.

Punk has worked his ass off and has done it the right way.

Punk fell into his spot. Its been well reported and documented that Indy Punk wasn't even originally suppose to be in MITB, so clearly they just decided to sub him for Hardy.

How is being a sub. giving him the sudden right to say he worked his ass off for the spot? He fell into it. If anything, and yes I'm saying this.. its no different than John Morrison winning the E.C.W. Championship. Morrison fell into that spot, because of a bad situation. Punk is reliving a bad situation.

John Morrison, Kennedy, Jeff Hardy, and the list of others that have been spewed off, especially those three I mentioned, only can look into the mirror and blame themselves for why they are not champion and CM Punk is.

I agree with the three names you've mentioned. All of which did stupid things that Punk is actually against doing, so yes, none of them deserved the spot if you were handing out merit awards. But this is the W.W.E., and you can't tell me that steroid abusers and other illegal drug taking junkies haven't been showcased because of the reaction they get, over W.W.E. trying to do the right thing and punish them by holding them down.

Furthermore, M.V.P. was the most overlooked and forgotten guy. Since dropping the United States Championship to Matt Hardy, hes been on a downward spiral and hasn't been able to pull up. Give M.V.P. Punk's Raw spot, at least then you'll have a guy who not only deserves it because of how hard hes worked.. but you'll have a guy who'll gain a better reaction as well.

 

[rkolegendkiller007]

Originonally posted by The one big will
This is a fucking outrage, a travesty of justice. C.M. Punk? Raw Heavyweight Champion? The guy was jobbing to the Tag Team Champions of E.C.W. just a week or two ago, and hes now suddenly the World Heavyweight Champion?

Do you have ANY idea how incredible C.M. Punk just made Mark Henry look as World Champion? Any.. the guy is shit, hes beneath shit, hes horrible and to even allow him to SEE the World Championship is bullshit.

I'm outraged and pissed off bar none because he took it from Edge, the ONE true Champion that meant something in the company. So now what.. Triple H. is the only true dominate Champion. Mark Henry has no opponents that can match him, and Punk needs to figure out how to escape every match he'll ever be in for the rest of his days as Champion.. because the Punk ass bastard couldn't find victory in a game of connect four, if he was playing a blind person.

Just think of how stupid the Great American Bash Main Event would sound. John Cena.. John Bradshaw Layfield.. C.M. Punk. Seriously. People are going to question whether or not hes a new time keeper, because Punk's name just has NO belonging anywhere near the World Heavyweight Championship picture.

just because you are an edgehead doesnt mean that you can always have what you want. i have watched c.m. punk since his ring of honor days and i think he would make a fine champion. did they pull the trigger on it too soon maybe. but storyline wise it makes perfect sense because before raw started it did not have a world title. but now it has one. sorry it came at the expense of your boy but it had to happen. i mean when both champs retained at NoC. this was the only way it could have happened and it make sense. i am sorry that your feelings were hurt. but c.m. punk will be a decent champion in my opinion. and by the way watching edge wrestle latley is like watching old tapes of the nWo because of all the run ins and crap like that.i mean i would actually like to watch a smackdown main event with a CLEAN finish. not one with a la famila run in.but one with a decisive CLEAN finish. i am tired of la famila. and vickie needs to get out of the wheel chair. hasn't she milked that just a lil too long. but then again thats just my opinion.

 

[TheOneBigWill]

just because you are an edgehead doesnt mean that you can always have what you want.

Just because I'm a huge fan of Edge doesn't mean I don't understand he won't always hold the Championship. Thats a naive statement on your part, and its the only argument you have for trying to discredit the almost fact-like statements I've been making.

i have watched c.m. punk since his ring of honor days and i think he would make a fine champion.

Here we go again. Thats because Indy Punk was a great INDY Superstar. But this isn't the freaking Indy league. We have pyro, and television production, and crew members with full sets of teeth.

All joking aside, its the plain and simple truth. The guy is a great Indy wrestler, just like Average Joe.. but neither belong anywhere near the Heavyweight Championships of their respective companies.

did they pull the trigger on it too soon maybe.

Yes, the answer is yes. They paniced and didn't know what else to do, because they (like always) don't think about shit ahead of time.

And if this WAS pre-planned for monthes, then they need to fire everyone on creative because if you're telling me Indy Punk was the only option to crown a new Champion and shake things up. Then the W.W.E. was seriously fucked from the get-go.

but storyline wise it makes perfect sense because before raw started it did not have a world title. but now it has one.

The storyline makes sense. Getting a Championship to Raw makes sense. WHO won and gave Raw that Championship is whats throwing up huge signals on my end.

sorry it came at the expense of your boy but it had to happen. i mean when both champs retained at NoC. this was the only way it could have happened and it make sense.

Thats where you're wrong. Indy Punk cashed in and defeated Edge, after Edge had already been beaten badly by Batista. (ie. Punk won in heel fashion) So if they wanted to go through the trouble of giving him a fluke victory, then why not put him over the very top guy, in Triple H.?

H.H.H. and Cena destroyed each other, and Punk could've easily came out after Triple H. retained, cracked him in the head with the case (turning heel, rightfully) and won the Championship. Punk then could've showed up on Raw, as the new Champion. And Triple H. could've still held his much wanted victory over Cena.

Furthermore, it would've allowed Triple H. to do what he does best. Chase the Championship on Smackdown.. and allowed Edge to do what he does best. Run away, with the Championship.. on Smackdown.

i am sorry that your feelings were hurt. but c.m. punk will be a decent champion in my opinion.

NO, he won't be. He'll be a fluke Champion and this was a clear-cut indication that the W.W.E. pressed the panic button. I've said it numerous times now, if Punk is still Champion beyond Summerslam, I'll be shocked and amazed.

Punk's only purpose was he was a quick fix to get the Championship back on Raw. The only problem is it created an even bigger problem in the fact that they now can't logically take the title off him, without killing him completely.

So now they have to figure out how to shine shit, to make it look like something other than what it truly is.

and by the way watching edge wrestle latley is like watching old tapes of the nWo because of all the run ins and crap like that.

Hes freaking HEEL! And hes the leader of a stable. What the hell do you expect him to do? Win like a face and defeat the purpose of his character? Have his stable stand in the back playing rock, paper, scissors while watching him on the monitor?

i mean i would actually like to watch a smackdown main event with a CLEAN finish. not one with a la famila run in. i am tired of la famila. and vickie needs to get out of the wheel chair. hasn't she milked that just a lil too long. but then again thats just my opinion.

I fall to understand how Indy Punk winning the Championship is going to create any type of "clean" victory on Smackdown. If anything it just guaranteed even more run-ins and dirty finishes by La' Familia because Edge will be looking to take Triple H's title now.

Also, Vickie doesn't need to get out of the wheel chair. Bob Orton used his broken arm/case for a very long time. Its a gimmick, its something your boy Indy Punk needs to figure out how to find. And fast.

 

[ROHDude]

Dude, just stop your bitching. This is why I hate WWE Kool-Aid drinkers. If it wasn't started by the E or has nothing to do with the E you guys never give it a chance. We get it, you don't like Punk. If that's the case don't watch RAW. Ratings have continued to get worse and the WWE is trying to do whatever it takes to get them back up, and this is a risk they are taking.

If you want Punk to give up that belt the best thing to do is not watch, just quit your bitching. I've read like 5 of your posts where you say the same shit over and over again, and your arguements make you come off as an Edgehead who is just pissed off. You're claiming you are stating facts, but your opinion is not fact. Anyone could of pinned Edge last night and you'd be crying right now.

 

[TheOneBigWill]

Dude, just stop your bitching.

I have a right to give an opinion. If you can't deal with it, don't read what I write. Or better yet, go live in your R.O.H. fantasy world.. because last time I checked, this was the big leagues.

This is why I hate WWE Kool-Aid drinkers. If it wasn't started by the E or has nothing to do with the E you guys never give it a chance.

For the love of everything. I'm a fan of the shock-value that happened last night. I'm NOT a fan of who it pushed/helped in the process.

Indy Punk (for the who knows amount of times) is NOT worthy of holding the Heavyweight Championship, on the flagship show. To give Punk that title, shoves him above John Cena, Batista, Shawn Michaels, Randy Orton, Chris Jericho, Kane and J.B.L. (w/ Orton being injured, its understandable.. however the rest are perfectly fine to have won the title and I promise and guarantee you, Punk is not better than any of them)

We get it, you don't like Punk. If that's the case don't watch RAW.

Why the fuck should I stop watching Raw all because some fluke Indy wrestler won a Championship? So I should just give in and quit watching the overall product that I love, all because you want me to quit complaining? News flash genius.. I have a right to love and dispise whoever I fricken want. So deal with it just the same as you want me to.

Ratings have continued to get worse and the WWE is trying to do whatever it takes to get them back up, and this is a risk they are taking.

Ratings won't improve when you put shit at the top of your show.

W.W.E. is on the right track with the shock-value events. But what they should do now, is either have Punk constantly defending that Championship, to give it the questionable nature of how he could very well lose every match.. or they should take the title off him and put it on someone else, next week.

Either way, I don't see that happening. The fact is, and you along with all the other Punk poppers can't deal with the fact that W.W.E. pressed the panic button on Punk and allowed him to cash in, just so the title could come back to Raw.

Oh wait.. here's something rather funny.. everytime someone's cashed in the MITB case, they've won the title.. and REMAINED ON THE SAME BRAND THE FUCKING TITLE WAS ON!

So since Edge and the World Heavyweight Championship was originally ON Smackdown, Punk should technically be heading to Smackdown.

If you want Punk to give up that belt the best thing to do is not watch, just quit your bitching.

Or, I could keep watching.. continue complaining, and wait until I'm proven right in his massive failure as a Champion. So I could come back to this thread, and all those tons of people I've already replied to.. and say I TOLD YOU SO!

I've read like 5 of your posts where you say the same shit over and over again, and your arguements make you come off as an Edgehead who is just pissed off.

You know what makes me look like a "pissed off Edgehead"? Because I have an Edge signature! Oh noes, hes got an Edge signature, theres no way he could be speaking logically with his hatred of Punk for any other reason that being upset his favorite wrestler got defeated.

Want another reality check? I was assuming Edge would've never won the Championship from Taker in the first place. I was assuming Edge would've lost the Championship in time anyways.

But what I wasn't assuming, was that the W.W.E. would drop to being desperate in allowing Indy Punk to win the fucking Heavyweight Championship.

Anyone could of pinned Edge last night and you'd be crying right now.

Wrong. If Batista would've defeated Edge at Night of Champions.. I'd be upset because one of my favorite wrestlers lost his Championship, but I'd be okay with understanding that it went to someone who's been a proven Champion before and could carry the title on Raw.

Once again, you along with all the other Punk poppers biggest argument and rebuttal against me.. is that since I'm an Edge fan, thats the only reason for my dislike of this issue. When the fact is, thats complete and utter shit.. because you all know this situation is a fluke and have no other way to explain it, so you try tossing my loyalty to liking Edge in my face.

 

[George Michael]

Upon further reflection i'm begining to think that CM Punk's title reign may closely mirror that of Y2J.
Both won the big one 2 years into their WWE careers, Y2J in 2001 after debuting in 1999
CM Punk in 2008 after debuting in 2006.
Both won minor heavyweight titles a few months prior to getting the big one, Y2J the WCW title, CM Punk the ECW title.
Both are much smaller than the others in line for a shot at the title, Y2J had The Rock and Austin, CM Punk has Cena and Batista.
If this pattern plays out, maybe Punk will go over Cena and Batista at upcoming pay-per-views (Like Jericho did to The Rock and Austin) before losing the strap to someone inevitable. Jericho lost to Triple H, CM Punk loses to Orton/Taker..?
Then Punk may just struggle for the next 7 years to get back the glory he once had, possibly breaking the record for IC title reigns along the way. How unfortunate..

 

[Slim Pickns]

This could get really bad for RAW, fairly quickly. Not only was Punk getting minor pops at best, but now half of those cheering will turn on him now that he's World Champion. That was suppose to have the effect it did when Edge took the belt from Taker, but only five people reacted when Punks music hit. More people cheered when Punk won, but that was more for Edge losing than Punk winning.

This all points to Triple H and Smackdown becoming the face of the company. Which is flat out fucking assine. John Cena was all but set to carry the RAW brand back up towards the 4.0's it was getting two years ago, but I guess HHH needed the rub of being the most dominant person in WWE. Now, RAW is looking closer to ECW than Smackdown. They lost HHH, Jeff Hardy, Umaga, and Kennedy. Thats four guys who accounted for a lot of screen time. Now its Cena and no one to back him up. Luckily, he can draw on his own, they just need to get him front and center. I have no idea how they even thought CM Punk was a better choice. People will come here and say "well its new, its different." New isn't always good. I come into work everyday and do the same thing. I open the gym in the same manner on Monday as I will Tuesday. When I came in today someone had spray painted their gang symbol on our wall. That was a different experience to my morning, but ultimately it was just a bad one.

 

[ROHDude]

Ok with that last response you proved your an Edgehead and you hate CM Punk. Still your arguements are terrible, and you sound like a big fucking cry baby.

And yes, the thing to do is not watch RAW if you don't like what's going on! Why the fuck do you think they did this?!? No one was watching RAW before. Ratings continued to drop. They'd rise one week, but drop the next 5 weeks. So they needed a change and that's exactly what's going on.

And who cares if this was a panic or not on WWE's part. What the fuck does that have to do with anything? Everyone isn't expecting Punk to make it past SS with the title. Hell, I was surprised he made it out of RAW with the title. No one is expecting Punk to have a Cena reign.

Relax dude, this will all be over soon. And you can go back to your bland and boring usual suspects in the Main Event.

 

[Slim Pickns]

Ok with that last response you proved your an Edgehead and you hate CM Punk. Still your arguements are terrible, and you sound like a big fucking cry baby.

And yes, the thing to do is not watch RAW if you don't like what's going on! Why the fuck do you think they did this?!? No one was watching RAW before. Ratings continued to drop. They'd rise one week, but drop the next 5 weeks. So they needed a change and that's exactly what's going on.

And who cares if this was a panic or not on WWE's part. What the fuck does that have to do with anything? Everyone isn't expecting Punk to make it past SS with the title. Hell, I was surprised he made it out of RAW with the title. No one is expecting Punk to have a Cena reign.

Relax dude, this will all be over soon. And you can go back to your bland and boring usual suspects in the Main Event.

Dude, you need to get off the Edgehead crybaby argument. Will is an Edge fan, but he also has a legit argument to make. WWE wanted Edge and HHH to go over last night. The problem being that both are on Smackdown. What Will is saying is that if they wanted Punk as the RAW Champ it would have made more sense for him to beat HHH after HHH just beat Cena. Though I disagree, I think his point is pretty clear.

The problem I have with Punk winning the way he did is 1) it makes RAW look weak by having a mid carder as champion and 2) it makes RAW look really weak by having HHH beat Orton and Cena then having Batista (RAWs to draft pick) fail to win the World Title. RAW then had to resort to stealing the World Title back, after four of their top guys moved to Smackdown.

 

[DerringerEagle]

As I said in another post, this is the second time that WWE creative have screwed up with Edge. When he cashed in his first MITB on Cena at New Year's Revolution, the crowd went absolutley ballistic and even though he was a heel, the crowd was chanting for him to win. When he did, the arena became unglued in celebration. Instead of capitilizing on his shock win and new found fame, they took the belt away fromhim 3 weeks later at the Royal Rumble. They had a chance to run with him as a champ and they blew it.

Now, after he has spent the last 4 months building himself into the best heel in recent WWE memory on SD, as a kingpin underhanded champion, they move Triple H to SD and take the belt away from him. They have just undone all the good things Edge did with that brand in one week. Like I suggested, I am sure HHH had something to do with this. He can't have someone else showing him up on his show, face or heel, so he runs to Vince and has Edge put in his place.