you may have just lost a fan in record time
To be perfectly honest, this thread has single handedly become "TheOneBigWill dispises Indy Punk's Championship reign: Appreciation thread."
And a lot of individuals in this thread are having a hard time accepting my views. Rightfully so, I'd hate for any Punk Bastards to actually understand what I like to commonly call..
THE TRUTH.
Well when jericho was in the MITB he wasn't a heel yet, sooo they could have given it to him.
That would've been a good idea at the time, but the fact is during that time they didn't wish to give Chris Jericho the spot, because he was still a face and they likely didn't feel he'd be a heel anytime soon.
Jericho returned as a face, and I believe the W.W.E. honestly hoped the fans would cheer him and he'd be capable of running as a face for longer than he did.
Furthermore, in the aspect of seeing it from the outside, Jericho wasn't the greatest World Champion.. so they could've quite possibly seen Punk as deserving the chance more so than Jericho, since Punk hadn't had the shot. Of course that was also before they completely destroyed any credibility Punk had from that victory, by making him job to everyone and anyone directly thereafter.
I would quite literally shoot my brains out if John Morrison became world champion.
when he was ECW champ doing promo's, the words he was saying worked (except that palace of wisdom crap) but his delivery was bad, he sounded like he didn't even believe he should be champ. Maybe in 4 or 5 years and a gimmick change.
See, this is where we'd disagree greatly. John Morrison in a very similar fashion fell into the E.C.W. Championship much the same way I believe Indy Punk fell into becoming the World Heavyweight Champion.
The difference is Morrison capitalized on an unfortunate accident, whereas Punk was just the right person, in the right place, and the right time..
However to me, Morrison is by leaps and bounds better than Indy Punk.
I was just listing the other participants in the MITB match
Its really hard to consider any of this year's Money in the Bank participants as worthy. M.V.P. and Mr. Kennedy were truly it. Both are the heavily viewed favorites to carry the company.
Matt Hardy is doing an okay job as a midcard Champion, but will likely never be a Main Eventer. Jeff Hardy was the missing link that was truly designed for the victory, and Punk if anything might of originally been meant to regain the E.C.W. Championship instead of Kane, but lucked out and fell into a bigger role, due to Hardy's screw-up.
Sure but I think he needs to be put in a few more high profile matches first
I really think its odd how you believe M.V.P. should be put in more high profile matches, when Indy Punk hasn't even been put in any "high profile matches" himself.
M.V.P. had a great feud with Matt Hardy. He began his career feuding with Kane. Hes fought against Rey Mysterio. Hes had matches with the Undertaker, to my knowledge. Hes been a major star ready for the next push.
Punk won the E.C.W. Championship because Morrison got suspended. (fluke) Then he won Money in the Bank because Hardy got suspended. (fluke) I can hardly wait for the next Champion/Opportunity in which the original winner who was selected to win, gets suspended, because I guarantee.. Punk will be there.
He's gonna be huge one day
One day? Mr. Kennedy gets bigger pops taking a crap on the toilet than Punk got when he won the World Heavyweight Championship.
Kennedy is the voice of any show hes on, and while his in-ring skills need some fine tuning, the fact is the guy can carry himself a lot better as a Main Event aspect player, than Punk could ever dream of.
I don't think it's his fault that he, as you say, "done nothing" to deserve it.
I think WWE has missed a lot of opportunities with him.
He should have won the ECW title at December to remember instead of lashley. He was getting some pretty good fan support at the time.
I'll completely agree with both of these statements. First, I blame the W.W.E. 100% for not pushing Indy Punk properly. If Punk would've won something before falling into the World Heavyweight Championship, then I wouldn't be arguing, nor would I have a proper reason to argue.
If Punk would've won the Extreme Elimination Chamber match, at which point back during that time he was indeed red-hot with the fans.. it would've been anything but a fluke victory, and it would've been huge.
But needless to say, he didn't.. and he wasn't pushed in any rightful manner. So I have no choice but to see him as a fluke. Because the guy hasn't done anything to prove otherwise. He might of been "made" to lose by Creative, but the fact is in the few matches hes won.. in the few cases hes carried something.. he hasn't impressed me enough to say.. "Wow, that guy is gonna be the future someday."
There's been a lot of rumors about his attitude backstage but I don't believe it either
I have no idea about his attitude, other than to question if hes truly a snob-like prick because he really follows that "Straight Edge" ordeal of no drugs, drinking or smoking. You know what, I'm ironically the same. I don't drink, smoke or do drugs.. but I'm not cocky about it.
Don't get me started on the shit WCW was pulling back then, that's a whole other can of worms. And Santino won the IC title that's a completely different standard. and the angle that he won it with worked. They didn't sell him as anything more then he was either, so that was fine with me.
Thats exactly why its a different subject. For as horrible as it'll sound, Santino Marella winning the Intercontinental Championship had more meaning and more rightful purpose than Indy Punk falling into the World Heavyweight title.
Marella won due to Lashley's interference. Punk won because of Batista laying out Edge. The difference, Punk is a face who is suppose to be viewed as capable of beating Edge. Yet he wasn't even capable in recent monthes, of beating The Miz.
Marella was a "fan" who got lucky and played off that. Punk is a wrestler, who isn't playing off of being lucky, but instead acting as if he literally did something other than fall into a fluke.
I wouldn't call it a panic attack to get the belt back on Raw. they could have figured something out to put it on someone that would have been a more established , but then would have assuredly got heat from the internet fans as the same old same old.
I think giving it to Punk 1.) had a built in story already there MITB
2.) I really think they want to try something new.
The funny thing about internet fans. They'll always bitch and complain. Hell, what I'm doing.. bitching and complaining, but I have a right, just like they would if Edge defeated Punk instead of the other way around.
If anything,
THAT would've been perfect for the way they'd built Punk. To have him become the first MITB winner to cash in, in an ultimate opportunistic way.. and
NOT pick up the victory. Punk would've became remembered forever as the guy who lost. Instead, he'll be remembered forever as "Jeff Hardy's fluke replacement."
yes you're very clever....just kidding.
I don't necessarily think he's more deserving then everybody else, but he did have the MITB and to be honest I think that's why they have the stupid briefcase. Every time except for once they've used it in the same surprise fashion.
It's how MITB works.
Edge has had it twice, R.V.D. was the only other person. Its worked in an opportunistic way (ie. cheap) for Edge on both times he used it.. because he was a heel.
Punk did the exact same thing, yet was a face. Its like saying Edge could win a match without cheating in any fashion against a guy like John Cena, and it'd be a case of "what the fuck? Cena's the top face, Edge is heel, how'd/why'd that just happen?"
Now you're really kidding.....right? you'd have to be.
You can't honestly think those three guys have done more to deserve a world title then CM Punk. I'm not knocking any of them but come on.
But you do know, the day that Lance Cade wins a world title, there will be a thread on here full of people saying he doesn't deserve it.
In complete honesty, I was joking. I don't see Rhodes, Cade or Kingston as greater. However I will show ways in which they're so close, it just makes it look that much worse to how Punk is.
Lance Cade: He was trained by Shawn Michaels. Hes now with Chris Jericho. For Cade to defeat Punk and win the Championship would be huge for him, and completely make his career. Would it be a wise move, no, I seriously don't think it would be.
But the fact is, Cade has more skills and has the shear ability to do it and get the reaction a heel would, if he did.
Cody Rhodes: He has Family ties on his side. His Father never became a World Champion. His brother never became a World Champion, his recent heel turn was good, but if he would've stolen a World Heavyweight Championship.. he could've single-handedly made his entire career off of being the one member of his Family, to do what noone else could.
Kofi Kingston: Honestly, in the matches hes had on E.C.W.. he always out-shined Indy Punk. In the times they've teamed, the fans popped louder for Kingston. The only reason I believe Kingston wasn't given the title, is because they couldn't figure out a proper way to get it onto him.
Do you seriously believe I'm lying? PROVE ME WRONG. Its all I've ever wanted someone to do. How is Punk worthy of being in the role hes been put in? How is he deserving? How is it not a fluke?