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[rge2010]

I think Triple H at Wrestlemania 17 was Takers first credible opponent and since then he hasnt looked back, bar that horrific WM19 match.

Ok, yeh, he fought Jake, Sid and Nash who alot of people love but they were never a match for Taker in the 90s.

Since then Flair, Triple H (x2), HBK (x2), Batista, Edge, Orton all beaten.

 

[berlinbrawler]

I think they first played up the undefeated streak against Randy Orton.That was the first time I remember the Internet fans debating on whether someone would be worthy to be "the one."

btw, mikde_, your sig is the most annoying thing I have ever seen. Gives me a headache.

 

[The Dragon Saga]

In the build-up to WrestleMania x7, Triple H mentions the "Streak" in one of his promos, it was the RAW where Kane balanced Stephanie over his head atop a balcony so that William Regal would make the match for WrestleMania, Triple H mentioned the streak or as he put it, "Undertaker's undefeated record" at WrestleMania and how he'd never lost at the event.

It really became something big at WrestleMania 21, because WrestleMania 20 was nothing more than an event where they pushed his return as the "Deadman." And not really the streak, where as Orton took the streak to heart.

 

[ffrikku]

The importance of his streak and time I felt WWE well WWF at the time really started to mention it and start to talk about his streak being in danger was his wrestlemania match with Diesel. Diesel was on his way out at the time but just game off one hell of a run and during their match was the first time it really seemed like Taker was going to lose nailed him with a few jackknife powerbombs but Taker still fought back to win. After that match Takers opponents seemed to be less gimmicky opponents and people who were looked at like genuine threats to his streak.

 

[Craig-O-Mac]

I agree with the OP to a certain extent when he makes an argument for the Flair match at WrestleMania X8 being the one where initial recognition is made.

After the battle, Taker stands victorious on the apron and counts out 'ten' on his fingers, signifying that he was 10-0. I'm sure the commentators also alluded to it when he made the gesture.

 

[TWJC: The Beginning]

I'm pretty sure commentators mentioned it at Mania 12 vs diesel. It was a loose story from around 19. The streak became THE story of his match vs Orton.

 

[Marzyk]

All I know is that when they close it out with 20-0 that had better be his last match and they better send it all off with a bang, just for closure. They need to bring extreme closure to his streak because it has become one of the main themes, and basically the main event, of WM. If that book is not closed well, it will leave a void in the event. Especially with these fickle fans nowadays that wanna throw tantrums and take the business hostage everytime they aren't getting their way.

 

[mikde_]

All I know is that when they close it out with 20-0 that had better be his last match and they better send it all off with a bang, just for closure. They need to bring extreme closure to his streak because it has become one of the main themes, and basically the main event, of WM. If that book is not closed well, it will leave a void in the event. Especially with these fickle fans nowadays that wanna throw tantrums and take the business hostage everytime they aren't getting their way.

i agree, but i do think that 'The Streak' is just too big and important for WWE to mess up. Im sure when they end it they will put all their focus on it and make sure its literally a perfect ending.

 

[PagingMr.ass]

I believe the most solid answer for this question would be wrestlemania 17 in 2001 against HHH. Although a streak may have been briefly mentioned in passing by announcers in other matches (I.E. Diesel as some one pointed out) The build up to the HHH match was the first to totally encompass the streak in promos and clip packages that started to air. At the time they weren't referring to it as "The Streak" But rather "The decade of destruction." Although the decade of destruction in a whole referred to his entire career, it put a very heavy focus on the fact that in those ten years he had never lost a wrestlemania match. They mentioned his wrestlemania dominance on just about every raw segment leading up to Taker and HHH at WM17. I believe at that point the WWE had decided they were going to run with his undefeated streak till the end. The Orton match might have been the first one where Takers opponents sole purpose for competing was to be the man who ends the streak, similar to the HBK matches a few years later. However, they were still heavily advertising Taker defending his streak in the years before the Orton's Legend Killing angle.


PS. I too want to see the streak storyline come to end end at 20-0 just to round it off and give it closure. I would like to see it done in one of two ways. Either this year Taker beats The Miz at mania, since Miz has already started to boast about his undefeated streak. My second Idea would be to have both superstars victorious in two totally separate matches and Taker retiring at 20-0. Then when the next mania comes around have The Miz start cutting promos about how now that the Undertaker is gone, he will go on to have the longest mania streak. Put a heavy focus on The Miz's undefeated streak leading to WM2013, Then right when it looks like The Miz is going to continue his streak, the Undertaker runs in delievers a tombstone, and The Miz looses keeping the deadmans streak safe. This way Taker retires at 20-0, Miz gets a big build up for the next years Mania, and the fans are treated to one last Taker mania appearance after being gone for a year, even if only for a brief moment. Imagine the pop he would get.

 

[Dagger Dias]

If you want to be technical about it, then it started against Snuka. However the moment it became a big deal was after his ninth or tenth win, I believe. He held up his fingers to show how many wins he had at Wrestlemania by that point. Another answer would be in 2005 against Randy Orton because that was the year that it became more about ending the streak and less about facing Taker at Wrestlemania. Ever since that year the focal point of his matches has been the Streak and nothing else.

 

[Mercer the Ruthless]

I believe the WWE planned the streak after they noticed they booked Taker to win year after year til Mania 12, I was young and it's been a while since I've seen the match but I could have sworn I heard someone mention the streak in commentary. i believe that's when they said, "hey lets do this til whenever, it could be something special in the long run." Then they brought mention of it back at Mania X18 post match-up when Taker Signaled he was 10-0.

 

[¡Roján!]

I think the streak really started to get exposure around Randy Orton's shot at defeating it. Orton went on and on about in his promos for ages and that was when it sunk in that Taker had been undefeated at Wrestlemania.

 

[rockyrocky11]

Ok well whoever Taker faces he's going to win. There simply isn't a young superstar good enough to make it believable. Here is the only way I see Taker losing, and it could actually be shocking/exciting this way.

Have him face HHH, jericho, whoever (just not kofi like someone said are you kidding me!?). Anyway have him go through that match like last year getting beat up and looking to be in horrible condition. Than he pulls a last ride/tombstone/hells gate w/e out of nowhere and wins, but is lying on the mat and everyone thinks he'll be carted off again. As they bring out the cart to help him off Del Rio runs out from the back with his MITB briefcase, cashes it in and wins. Even if ADR cashed it in and lost it would give some suspense, because you have to be out of your mind to believe that Taker will lose to anyone on the roster, since he's already beaten HHH, HBK, and almost every other legend.

ADR vs Taker straight up=boring
ADR cashing in after Taker already won a match=awesome because nobody would know what was going to happen

Whatever happens I hope Taker keeps the streak. Like I said nobody deserves to end it that hasn't already had a shot. And for the person who said Kofi should get a chance I'd rather see Taker lose to Santino first.

All I know is I would be on the edge of my seat if Del Rio came running out with the briefcase after a match(I don't think Del Rio is good but WWE loves pushing this guy and it would be an actually believable scenario where noboy knew what was going to happen)

 

[X4LATER]

This is an easy one, The streak officially started when Undertaker beat Flair, cuz in Undertakers celebrATION, HE ACKNOLEDGED THE STREAK BY COUNTING ON HIS FINGERS!!! Was a great moment!!!

 

[Deadman_Risen]

Randy Orton was when the streak was used as a base for a stroyline but I think it was started against Triple H the 1st time he faced him.

After he wins Jim Ross says "The Undertaker is 9-0 in Wrestlemania's"

After he beats Flair Lawler yells "10-0, he's 10-0" then Taker held up 10 fingers to signal 10-0.

After he beats A-train Michael Cole says "Undertaker is still undefeated"

That was the earliest I heard it being mentioned so I think it started at 9-0 vs Triple H.

 

[avi01]

when Taker defeated flair at Wrestlemania 18, I remember him showing 10 fingers and king(who btw was so priceless in ths match that it got JR to ask him if he was drunk) pointing out he is 10-0 now at wrestlemania. That`s when I started to notice the streak. I do remember JR pointing out he is undefeated at wrestlemania 17.

 

[Beastmode 24]

Orton was the first wrestlemania where the streak was part of the storyline, but taker himself mentioned it leading up to WM X8 against flair

CM Punk. By far he would be the best choice to be the undertaker's last match. they have a history, and punk is arguably poised to be the wrestler who brings the next boom period in wrestling. What better way to cement the Punk era than have him beat taker?

 

[dman1373]

I was thinking since punk is on his way to being the top guy in the wwe, then what wrestler would not only not stultify him, but make him progress at wm. Mark Madden said the Rock. Now thats the dumbest idea ever as its the rocks hometown. Thats like if you put him in a match with austin in texas. But that is also the second guy people have been throwing around. Now a returning austin after 8 years would bury punk. Thats not me not having confidence in punk, thats just how over austin is. Next is cena. Well not really because he would have already had 2 matches with punk and a third would not be that big because of it. Next is Chris Jericho. Now it sounds good on paper, but really punk and jericho are to much alike for it to be the epic, (or what punk needs). next is obviously triple h. Now that wouldn't be that bad, but this is going happen way before wrestlemania. Its in motion of happening. I could easily see a match at survivor series in msg, but waiting till wrestlemania will be pushing it.

Now that brings me to the only logical answer. The undertaker. The Undertaker has been one of the top guys for a long time. He is really the locker room leader, and one of the most loyal wwe wrestlers ever. To have punk go in with the title and have triple h as a last resort put the undertaker up against him to finally get the title off of him would be perfect. Just remember the undertaker had punk buried when he lipped offed to him a few years ago. This way the undertaker could push punk to the stars and finally retire. Oh yeah, for this to work, taker has to be heel.

 

[rge2010]

The streak is the only reason Taker returns to the WWE. Without it, he would be retired sucking on McCools titties everyday.

End the treak and Taker is gone. I think Taker will do a couple more WM's and then retire at Survivor Series. Behind WM, that is 'his show'. He debuted there and usually returns every year there.

 

[Robbo89]

This is sort of similar to "who will end the streak" threads but i am not saying who i think will end it, its personal opinion, if MODS want to merge this with other "streak" threads its fine, i was not sure where it fitted so i apologize in advance if it doesnt deserve a thread of its own....now onto my point.

I honestly believe that at WM28, given the right opponent, the legendary streak will end, here is why,

If you look at the people he has faced over the last 5 Mania's he beat....

WM23 - Batista
WM24 - Edge
WM25 - HBK
WM26 - HBK
WM27 - HHH

now without sounding harsh, yes these 5 matches started to plant the seed that the streak could end, but what would these guys gain from ending it? A brief title of "Streak ender" until they retire?

HHH is a 13 time world champion, the co founder of the greatest faction in WWE, alongside HBK who himself is a 4 time world champion. Both of these were more or less at the end of their wrestling career (HBK more so) what would either have these 2 have gained from ending the streak? they would have their name in the history books i agree but they already have enough accolades to take that title too. Edge was already a big draw at that point as was Batista when he tried to end it.

Now with all this being said, The "streak match" is now getting to a point for me where, yes the matches are getting even better each year and it looks like taker could lose, but you do kind of know in the back of your mind that taker will win in the end.

The streak can only be ended by a young superstar who is already of a "main event" standard but not quite "over" enough, they are the ones who would benefit most in the long term than superstars who are on their way into retirement.

If the WWE wanted to give somebody a huge push in the company i.e Barrett or Sheamus, then what better way to do it than for them to end the unrivaled streak.

As much as i hope his streak doesn't end and he goes out at 20-0, i believe that with the right opponent who deserves the right push, the streak will end, as its something that will elevate them to the next level and give them the boost that they will need to get over the line to the next level.

what are peoples thoughts on this?

 

[Mr.Fortuna]

No one else other than Triple H could possibly be enough of a threat for his 20th wrestlemania match. Barrett, Sheamus, Del Rio just arent enought of a threat IMO. The Undertaker kicked out of 4 pedigrees. Im thinking they should maintain his undefeated streak for the fact that the man has worked way to hard in his career.

 

[Justin Satiable]

I think that the last 3 matches in particular raised the bar higher than any young performer could reach presently. There's no one over enough as a heel to pose such a threat. You could, in theory, have The Miz somehow win under questionable circumstances like he usually does, which WOULD in theory skyrocket Miz to the heel moon, but doesn't live up to the expectations of Taker's 'Mania matches.

So, in short, I don't think the streak will end. If WWE hadn't bailed on the Nexus and buried them, then I really do think it could have been Barrett last year. Otherwise, I just don't think there's anyone up to the task right now.

 

[stillboy21]

The streak will never be broken, but yes these last few matches were pretty exciting. But if I had to choose a newer guy to beat The Undertaker it would be The Miz. You know they want him to stay relevant because they just put him in that team with R-Truth instead of leaving him nothing to do. Plus he's already got his own streak going on at WrestleMania. But just out of anybody, The Miz makes the most sense to me to beat the streak. But like it's been said, nobody is going to beat it.

 

[Mr.Fortuna]

I think that the last 3 matches in particular raised the bar higher than any young performer could reach presently. There's no one over enough as a heel to pose such a threat. You could, in theory, have The Miz somehow win under questionable circumstances like he usually does, which WOULD in theory skyrocket Miz to the heel moon, but doesn't live up to the expectations of Taker's 'Mania matches.

So, in short, I don't think the streak will end. If WWE hadn't bailed on the Nexus and buried them, then I really do think it could have been Barrett last year. Otherwise, I just don't think there's anyone up to the task right now.

exactly how I feel so I`m thinking that if this years theme for WM is going to be past stars partcipating in the event like Rocky, and Austin why not go into the past and bring in Foley to face the dead man and make it a HITC match, what the hell.

 

[gwumusic10]

I don't know if this particular thread has been done if so then I apologize.

I just got finished watching Smackdown and after the steel cage match for the WHC in which Randy Orton won Mark Henry came in and put a beatdown on Randy Orton and this got me thinking......

What if they run a storyline where Mark Henry runs deeper through the Smackdown roster and basically makes him seem like he is unstoppable......Mark Henry cuts a promo where he states that no one can stop him and then out of nowhere....

DONG.....DONG.....DONG!!

Listen I know that Mark Henry is not the forerunner in him breaking the Undertaker's winning streak nor am I saying he will but....

I could definitely see this match happening....Undertaker would win of course but I just feel that Mark Henry would put a serious threat on the Undertaker's streak.

I know it would make no sense as Mark Henry is approaching the end of his career so he would have nothing to gain.

I know some smarks are gonna give some smart ass remarks so I just ask that we stick to the topic and tell me what you think