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[The Best]

You can take your -rep and shove it buddy. You -rep for telling how i would like to see it end. but no dis-respect

All great "OUTLAWS" eventually falls. It's stupid to have UT win at WM and then retire and ride off into the sunset on his black horse. He should pass the torch to another great upcoming superstar.

Calm down bud, I was just disagreeing with your statement you don't have to flip out about, I get red repped too, and I don't complain about it.,, a guy who you will probably never see in your entire life just thought that your idea on a wrestling forum site was illogical and unintellectual; it doesn't mean you have to make a scene about it.

They're not going to end the streak, but I would really like to see what will happen after his last match next year, like how they play it off. It's also not stupid to have him win, why would you book him to lose, anyone who actually has watched anytime type of wrestling the past few years would know that the streak is the biggest thing going for them now, so why would they want to end it? Vince has made horrible decisions in the past, but he won't make this one, Taker will go undefeated.

P.S. Fix your grammar

 

[RatedRSuperstar]

I was going through some wrestling websites this morning, and I came across this one where del Rio claimed that his goal was to end the streak. He announced this during the WWE's Press Conference in Mexico City, where it was announced they will broadcast Raw and SmackDown for the first time ever in Mexico later this year. Here's the link:

http://www.sescoops.com/wrestling-n...-to-end-takers-streak-tough-enough-in-canada/

Now although I believe that the streak should never be broken, IF it were to be broken, Alberto del Rio would be the perfect star to do that. Why? He's young, he has great in-ring chemistry with just about anyone he steps in the ring with, he has the look of a World Champion, and the WWE seems to have a lot of faith in him. If del Rio were to end the streak, it would put him over BIG TIME! And besides, a del Rio and Undertaker match would be super cool.

I wouldn't be surprised if this match didn't happen, especially at WrestleMania, but never say never. Thoughts?

 

[Nate DaMac]

Absolutely not. I couldn't think of a worse person to go over Taker at Mania. Well I could, but it's a terrible idea.

Look, I understand the notion for Taker to put over someone young if he were to be defeated. But there has to be some form of criteria. For instance, perhaps the guy should be, I don't know, over? Far too big risk to let someone who still doesn't have the crowd support to go over Taker and put a blemish on the Streak, Taker's greatest accomplishment in the business.

So no. No fucking way should Alberto end the streak.

 

[RatedRSuperstar]

I'll admit Alberto isn't doing that great on crowd support right now, but give him about half a year to improve his game and he could be where the Miz is at right now, which is a pretty good start. THEN, if the WWE feels like he's over enough, put him in a 'Mania match with the Undertaker. Like I said, I feel the streak should NEVER be broken, but it would be a good way to put him over.

At least he would be worthy of just being IN A MATCH with the Undertaker, unlike some people. . .

 

[MinistryofDeath89]

In the words of vinney mac ( No Chance in Hell) I am a big big fan of Del Rio but there's no way in hell that's ever going to happen. Im not saying this because Undertaker is my fav wrestler but the undertaker's streak will never be broken.

 

[The Future Rises]

So no. No fucking way should Alberto end the streak.

No F*cking way should anybody end the streak. 'Taker going 20 - 0 then retiring is a perfect way for a send off, and having someone like Del Rio end the streak just cause he said its his goal is stupid, hell even HHH thinks the streak should never end, so no way someone like Del Rio is gonna end it even of he indeed did mastered the political game backstage, HHH would never allow it, end of story.

 

[PhD]

Far too big risk to let someone who still doesn't have the crowd support to go over Taker and put a blemish on the Streak, Taker's greatest accomplishment in the business. .

You act like The Streak is something other than a wrestling angle. How exactly is the WWE supposed to make money on The Streak when The Undertaker is retired? The idea that they should concerned about "blemishing" the Streak is ridiculous when, crowd support or not, anyone with eyes can see Alberto del Rio is a star in the making. He would benefit hugely from the rub, much more than anyone in the company, other than a retired Mark Calloway, benefits from him not putting over a new talent on his way out.

 

[Wade's Public Transit Bomb]

What exactly would be the appeal of these two in a match together?

Stylistically, Taker has always been about big moves and just punching the shit out of people; While Del Rio.. I don't know how to describe what he does in matches outside of "he is all over the place."

Character wise, people have always sold being scared shit of Taker at one point; While Del Rio just prattles on about how rich, handsome and powerful he is. I can get using Taker's moniker of being the conscious of the WWE. However, Del Rio's crowd reaction so far have been completely non-existent in comparison to his push.

Name wise, Taker is still a big deal to the WWE fans even if he isn't on TV for months at a time. But it seems like the ONLY reason Del Rio is used because he is a big name in Mexico.


For me, there's more to a dream match than just slapping to people who never fought together.

 

[Nate DaMac]

You act like The Streak is something other than a wrestling angle. How exactly is the WWE supposed to make money on The Streak when The Undertaker is retired? The idea that they should concerned about "blemishing" the Streak is ridiculous when, crowd support or not, anyone with eyes can see Alberto del Rio is a star in the making. He would benefit hugely from the rub, much more than anyone in the company, other than a retired Mark Calloway, benefits from him not putting over a new talent on his way out.

Well I do have eyes. You know what these eyes witnessed? Alberto Del Rio winning the Royal Rumble and in the 2 months leading up to Wrestlemania, he still wasn't able to get over with the crowd at all to the point that his match was reduced to the fucking opener. With these eyes, I can honestly say that I am not sold on Alberto being a star. Definitely not someone who is worthy of ending the streak.

You're right, they can't make money off of the Streak after Undertaker's retirement. Aside from DVDs and shit I suppose. But why would they risk blowing an amazing accomplishment on a guy who isn't at all proven? I've always been willing to entertain the idea of the streak ending, but it has to be the perfect person. Not some shot in the dark like ADR.

 

[Post]

Absolutely not. I couldn't think of a worse person to go over Taker at Mania. Well I could, but it's a terrible idea.

Look, I understand the notion for Taker to put over someone young if he were to be defeated. But there has to be some form of criteria. For instance, perhaps the guy should be, I don't know, over? Far too big risk to let someone who still doesn't have the crowd support to go over Taker and put a blemish on the Streak, Taker's greatest accomplishment in the business.

So no. No fucking way should Alberto end the streak.

I have to agree w/Nate. Now, don't get me wrong, I really like del Rio. The guy has the look, the gimmick, can talk, and is pretty solid in the ring. But, IF the streak is ever broken, it has to be by someone that has already fully established in the eyes of the WWE and the wrestling (oops, entertainment) world.

If the streak is ever ended, it will be Cena, Orton, or perhaps a superstar that returns for that sole purpose (Lesnar, Jericho, Batista...).

I would rather see the Undertaker retire w/the streak intact then see del Rio go over him at Wrestlemania.

 

[TheNewStyle]

The streak has been going for far too long now to just be ended. 20-0 is where it should stand before Taker retires and if he wants to go on for another year or two, John Cena should get in the ring with him for his retirement match. (without winning of course)

Del Rio is in no way one who should get this chance, the crowd hardly give a shit about him yet WWE has been pushing him down everyone's throat, even worse than Cena who everyone complains about despite the fact he always gets huge crowd reaction. I wouldn't mind Del Rio interrupting Undertaker during his return to talk about his "destiny" to beat the streak and all that but only if Del Rio is NOT given the honor of ending the streak. By now no should end it. When they wanted Randy Orton to end a few years ago, that should have been it but since Orton refused, the streak should also remain unbeaten.

 

[Mustang Sally]

One thing to say

NO ONE SHOULD END THE STREAK

One response: No one will.


Folks were actually speculating whether Triple H would end the streak this year, but there was never a chance of that happening. If Mark Calaway has all four limbs amputated, he'll win his final WM match......assuming, of course, he even makes it to the event.

This has been the path WWE has been following for a long time and there's no chance it will ever be departed from. Since Sting admitted he had been negotiating with WWE for WM27, the reason he might not have made the deal was because the script called for him to lose to Undertaker and he couldn't see a reason to wrestle one match with the company for the sole purpose of losing. As much as I wanted him to show up, I can't blame him for staying away, if this was the case.

As for the question of whether Alberto Del Rio will end the streak, look at caliber of Undertaker's WM opponents in recent years: Triple H, HBK (twice), Edge, Batista. That takes us back to WM23 and all of these guys are historic figures in WWE.....and they didn't get the job done. I really like Del Rio as a old-style villain but I can't think of anything that could happen in these next 11 months that will vault him to the status of someone deemed worthy to face Undertaker at Wrestlemania.......much less someone who would beat him.

 

[RatedRSuperstar]

in the 2 months leading up to Wrestlemania, he still wasn't able to get over with the crowd at all to the point that his match was reduced to the fucking opener.

A damn good opener, btw.

And someone said above that his crowd reaction is non-existent. Really? REALLY?? Sure, he may not generate as much heat as he's capable of, but at least the crowd reaction is still there; it's better than nothing.

 

[Nate DaMac]

A damn good opener, btw.

And someone said above that his crowd reaction is non-existent. Really? REALLY?? Sure, he may not generate as much heat as he's capable of, but at least the crowd reaction is still there; it's better than nothing.

So that's all it takes now. Well let's see, John Morrison gets a mild crowd reaction. Should he be the one to end the streak? It makes just as much sense as Del Rio. They have similar crowd support, similar internet followings, and they're both equally good and bad in the ring and on the mic.

The answer is no, of course not. I only use Morrison as an example because he's been around a lot longer. Now what if Alberto were to go over Taker and 5 years later Del Rio was in the same place as Morrison. Wouldn't that have been a giant waste? That's what my point is. He may be someone whose stock could rise in the next year but unless it does significantly, there is absolutely no possible way this should happen.

 

[akrassikauda]

HAhahahaha funniest thing I've heard today Del Rio going over Taker at WM. If it was SummerSlam yeah but the WWE has made it clear Taker is going 20-0 call it Mark Calaway's life time achievement award for all the hard work and loyalty he has shown and one of the greatest locker room guys a wrestling ( dammit I keep saying that word ) promotion could ever have.

If Taker was going to lose it would have been against an established guy like Shawn Michaels. After two matches withe HBK & Taker people with a brain have come to the conclusion Taker's never losing at WM

 

[Wade's Public Transit Bomb]

A damn good opener, btw.

And someone said above that his crowd reaction is non-existent. Really? REALLY?? Sure, he may not generate as much heat as he's capable of, but at least the crowd reaction is still there; it's better than nothing.

Look at his push:

- Cleanly beats Rey (something that even Cena might have trouble with)
- Gets credit for taking Christian out of action
- Wins the Royal Rumble
- Wrestlemania Opener in a WHC Title match

Not to mention he has worked with the revolving door of SD's popular faces, has had a promo and/or match every week since his debut.. And has always found a spot on the PPV.

His reaction is nothing after all that. Maybe a program with Cena will change that, but I don't think Del Rio himself has the star power to capitalize on it. You know, that thing only people on the internet claim Del Rio has?

 

[Savior with faith 101]

People keep mentioning the "how can they make money off the streak when Taker has retired"

The one thing that no-one has taken into account is that sometimes, just sometimes, Vince McMahon knows there are more important things than money. Respect. Its what the business has been built on, while we all here stories which lead to us thinking there is a lack of respect you only need to look at the treatment of HHH, Taker, Kane etc. The Veterens who have been there and dont it get that.

Vince wont break the streak out of sheer respect for Mark Calloway. Not out of respect for Undertaker. Mark Calloway, the man, is the one who always stuck with WWE through thick and thin, who has Wrestled when clearly hurt, who has been so commited to his gimmick that stories of his life outside of the ring are near non existant.

Yes if Taker went to Vince and said "Hey Vinnie, my old buddy, see that young whippersnapper out there, i think hes got some potential, lets put him over by breaking the streak" then maybe hed consider it. Other than that it just wont happen because again, whether theyd make more money breaking it or not, some things are just more important than that...

 

[PhD]

People keep mentioning the "how can they make money off the streak when Taker has retired"

The one thing that no-one has taken into account is that sometimes, just sometimes, Vince McMahon knows there are more important things than money. Respect. Its what the business has been built on, while we all here stories which lead to us thinking there is a lack of respect you only need to look at the treatment of HHH, Taker, Kane etc. The Veterens who have been there and dont it get that.

Vince wont break the streak out of sheer respect for Mark Calloway. Not out of respect for Undertaker. Mark Calloway, the man, is the one who always stuck with WWE through thick and thin, who has Wrestled when clearly hurt, who has been so commited to his gimmick that stories of his life outside of the ring are near non existant.

Yes if Taker went to Vince and said "Hey Vinnie, my old buddy, see that young whippersnapper out there, i think hes got some potential, lets put him over by breaking the streak" then maybe hed consider it. Other than that it just wont happen because again, whether theyd make more money breaking it or not, some things are just more important than that...

Come on, you can't really be serious about this. Over his tenure as owner of the company, Vince has shown that absolutely nothing is beneath him if it will draw money. Do I even need to make a list of them for you?'

And perhaps you can explain to me how Mark Calloway benefits in anyway from retiring undefeated IN A FAKE SPORT? "Accomplishments" in wrestling have zero value. Calloway is not respected because of The Streak, he's respected for being a great worker. If anything, refusing to go out on his back, like every single other person in the history of pro wrestling has done, should diminish what people think of him.

 

[Savior with faith 101]

Come on, you can't really be serious about this. Over his tenure as owner of the company, Vince has shown that absolutely nothing is beneath him if it will draw money. Do I even need to make a list of them for you?'

And perhaps you can explain to me how Mark Calloway benefits in anyway from retiring undefeated IN A FAKE SPORT? "Accomplishments" in wrestling have zero value. Calloway is not respected because of The Streak, he's respected for being a great worker. If anything, refusing to go out on his back, like every single other person in the history of pro wrestling has done, should diminish what people think of him.

Im absolutely serious about it, take one look at The Rocks birthday show and the ending of the show. That was complete respect for what The Rock has done. The send off Ric Flair was given despite the fact he spent a large part of his career in WCW as the competition. When it comes to it, Vince knows there are times to give people the send off they deserve.

And no one respects the streak? Really? Have you ever heard JR speak about it outside of WWE? yes its a fake sport. Yes the streak wasnt intended at the start. But its become the signature of Takers career. When people talk about his career do they talk about his Titles or his Streak? Taker will be given the send off he deserves, that will be 20-0 (at least) at Mania

 

[Prince Punk]

The streak started out as a wrestling angle now it and of itself is a wrestling legend. Undertaker has been a company man since joining. He helped keep the WWE alive. If you actually want to put someone over (and if taker can actually work the matches) have him put someone over in a few matches prior to WM. Make him look like he is growing soft and after last years beating from HHH just can't take anymore. Make it look like he is defeated and broken by this young gun. And then at Mania Put on a good match, and have taker go over. (The rub a young guy would get from just coming close to ending the streak would be amazing)

But that's just my opinion.

 

[quagmire]

The only chance for the WWE to end the streak was back at WM21 against Orton. Now that Taker stands at 19-0, there is no way they can end it. Taker will go 20-0 and retire.

 

[Hunted-RKO]

Del Rio To End The Streak? GOD NO!
I Mean Okey His Alright In The Ring (Thats Just My Vue) But If Shawn Micheals,Triple-H,Kane And Other Big Stars Couldn't There Is No Way He can.

Now We All Know The Streak Will Never Be broken;Right? Now,Every Year The WWE Have gaven Undertaker A Worthy Oppenant (spelt it wrong i know) To Make It Believeable He Might Lose And Del Rio Aint A Worthy Enough. If There Is Anyone Apart From Triple-H Who Is Worthy It's John Cena But We All Know His 1 On 1 With The Rock!

 

[abuduru1]

I say the streak should never be broken. I was saying that since 2005. I wouldn't mind a del rio vs taker match over a 3rd taker/hhh match (I personally hate it when taker fights the same person at mania) but I can assure you taker will walk away 20-0 and retire with the streak intact. Del rio IMO is a future main event heel and I have nothing but high hopes for him.

 

[Negrodamus]

I agree with Punk, you dont have to hvae Del Rio break the streak, but if Taker is healthy enough let him have a losing streak against Del Rio going into WM starting from or after the Rumble so people will think hey Del Rio has owned the Undertaker maybe the Undertaker is too old and cant go anymore. Make Undertaker look old and weak in those matches so the fans themselves have some doubt. This way the match at WM can go either way depending how it builds.

Right now people are saying you have to have an established guy break the streak now I ask you where is the shock value in that, there is no payoff.If it was Cena to break the streak all hell would break loose from the IWC. If anyone should break the streak it should be someone fresh. A fresh Heel who will use breaking the streak as something he will use to gain heat and put down the others who couldnt do it. ADR already walks with his nose up at people so it would go perfect with his character.
Imagine ADR breaks the streak and HHH comes to congratulate him or talk to him in anyway and ADR just blows him off saying he did what HHH couldn't do what Shawn Michaels couldn't do. you think he wouldnt get reactions then or be placed in superstar status.
I dont think they will ever break it but if they do it should be with a new up and coming star.
The person who compared Morrison to ADR is foolish, Morrison sucks, yes he has in ring talent but the guy cant draw ( and he has the perfect HBK 2.0 look ) but he is so bland once he opens his mouth. Take away Melina and MNM would be in TNA right now. Morrison is Marty Jeanetty to the Miz's HBK. The IWC needs to stop asking for Morrison look at all his matches they are only good because the person he is facing builds it up so good. Sorry to bring up my anti Morrison stuff on this thread but come on people the guy is more bland than white bread

 

[Saeros]

anyone with eyes can see Alberto del Rio is a star in the making.

Funny quote that, i remember seeing about 15 similiar quotes in 2005/2006 when Mr Kennedy was about, and we all know what happened there. With the way wrestling is at the moment, no one is a star in the making in my eyes, opinions change like that, injuries occur, backstage politics get in the way...

While i don't want the streak to be ended, especially not by del rio, i've got to wonder that lately, the streak has been touted and promoted so much it is similar to a world title, so surely its just good business sense to have a younger wrestler that they will really get behind, to end the streak, and that would set them on the road to superstardom.

ARD will never be on the same level as John Cena, SCSA, The Rock, Bret Hart, HBK or other faces of the company over the years, so i dont think it should be him. I don't know who it should be, but someone will come along, in his 20s, that should maybe get the win, that way WWE can push him as the man who ended the streak, and itll be a huge career boost.

As a huge Undertaker fan, id love for him to go out undefeated at WM, but from a business standpoint, its not a fantastic idea. If i was the owned of wwe though, i would try to come up with a way to keep the streak in tact, and push the next face of the company, but i have no idea how i would do that.