WWE already souring on Orton as champ!

[Mr_Ratings]

Damn stop freaking out over Orton winning the title. Raw went up against one of the best monday night football games in the last 5 years. It went up against the world champion Saints and arguably the most storied NFL franchise the 49ers.

Raw in its good years wouldve been at 4.0 last Monday. It really wouldnt have mattered who was champion monday the result wouldve been the same.

 

[Goondas_87]

Everyone is saying that guys like Orton dont need the title to get over. That may be true, but maybe the title needs Orton to get IT over. Championships get passed around between people who arent yet main event material so much just to give them that extra boost to bring them up a notch. But with all that it makes the title seem less important.

Whats more exciting? Seeing someone win the title off a guy like Sheamus who has only ever really beaten mid carders? Or seeing someone win the title of a guy like a Triple H or a Cena?

Look at the 80's and 90's, who held the title back then? Guys like Hogan, Savage, Michaels and Austin. For someone to score a win over these guys was a big deal. And this added prestige to the title. Made it actually seem difficult to obtain. If WWE did what alot of you are saying back then (only giving the title to guys who need it to get over) then Hogan would have never had the title, cause he sure as hell didnt need it to get over, and it wouldnt have been anywhere near as prestigious.

Theres no point just giving the title to the lesser guys to give them a boost when the title itself has no prestige anymore. So making Orton the champ when he is insanly over can help bring the level of the title itself up a notch. So that when guys like Sheamus or Barret manage to win it, it might actually mean something.

 

[RawIsRamsey]

Didn't we prove in 2004 that a babyface Orton as champion doesn't work?

Get this boy another heel turn, STAT!

Oh, and it would have made more sense for Barrett to go over at NoC, THEN have his big blow-off match where Cena gets another pointless title reign and Nexus gets sent back to FCW. And since they seem to love Sheamus vs. Orton so much, bam, easy #1 contenders match.

This is booking 101 people.

 

[Tully]

I said it before and I'll say it again, Orton is a boring, bland champ. All he does is have orgasms on the mat then hit his RKO's on everyone in sight. Either Sheamus should have retained or Barrett should have won. Ratings are crap because WWE is sooooo predictable right now. If management had any balls they would shock everyone and have Sheamus win at HIAC.

^^^ALL THIS.

Orton is FAR too boring to watch for very long. He's not terribly exciting in the ring. I don't think he "sucks" or anything like that - he just has a limited set of moves IMO.

And god - keep the mic away from him. Just "always being pissed" is boring as hell. He's completely, thoroughly UN-entertaining...yet is the world heavyweight champ of Sports ENTERTAINment.

Honestly, Orton gives me no real reason to watch WWE when he's on TV. Exactly as Kthevs says above: It's a predictable mat orgasm then an RKO. Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

 

[fenfool]

Orton is good chasing someone...be it for the title, revenge, what have you. But in his current persona, being chased...not quite as interesting. I also think that the match type played against him. A long, elimination-style match like that is great for the underdog, or opportunist, but doesn't really play into Orton's out-of-nowhere wheelhouse. Perhaps it would have been better to keep the title on Sheamus, then have Orton take it at Hell in a Cell, might have been better. But, we shall see where they take him.

 

[kthevs]

The viper gimmick AKA Golberg 2.0 gimmick is boring. He was even more dull and boring as a heel. This is the only time Orton was interesting to watch - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1-zvN3bnxg

If that Orton gimmick comes back then I would't mind him as champ.

 

[ThePeoplesChampion]

Just Wait till say Lions vs. Browns on Monday Night....two teams who suck are on and you'll see ratings go up...Monday Night Raw will never beat MNF but rating will be in flux with MNF on....IF the Cowboys, Bears, Colts, Patriots, Packers, Giants, Jets, etc. are on expect lower ratings....If the Lions, Browns, Jags, Bills, Rams etc. expect higher ratings...Good teams or teams from huge cities or have history have huge fans are going to watch.....Teams who suck come from low market cities fans wont watch...simple. The Rock or Austin could be back and champion but if the Colts are playing the Patriots dont expect high ratings....the reverse Hornswoggle could be champion and get some ratings if the 0-16 Lions faced the 1-15 browns......ITS NOT ORTON FAULT...ITS NOT WWE'S FAULT....ITS AMERICA'S FAVORITE SPORTS FAULT...BLAME FOOTBALL NOT ORTON!.....GO BEARS!!!

 

[kthevs]

sheamus was boring as champion , if barrett gets the title .. cena will take it and it'll be another cena reign AGAIN .. which we dont wanna see .. orton is the only guy they can give the title to .

LMAO. Thanks for the laugh, it's Orton who's boring as champ... the guy is just so bland and dull. Sheamus was a very entertaining champ.... at least his gimmick isn't a cheap rip off of Goldberg and he doesn't go superman and dominate every night like Orton.

 

[Tully]

I said it before and I'll say it again, Orton is a boring, bland champ. All he does is have orgasms on the mat then hit his RKO's on everyone in sight. Either Sheamus should have retained or Barrett should have won. Ratings are crap because WWE is sooooo predictable right now. If management had any balls they would shock everyone and have Sheamus win at HIAC.

^^^ALL THIS.

Orton is FAR too boring to watch for very long. He's not terribly exciting in the ring. I don't think he "sucks" or anything like that - he just has a limited set of moves IMO.

And god - keep the mic away from him. Just "always being pissed" is boring as hell. He's completely, thoroughly UN-entertaining...yet is the world heavyweight champ of Sports ENTERTAINment.

Honestly, Orton gives me no real reason to watch WWE when he's on TV. Exactly as Kthevs says above: It's a predictable mat orgasm then an RKO. Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

 

[Moe T]

Orton as champ has nothing to do with the low ratings. You have Monday Night Football on with the world champion Saints playing in a GREAT game. WWE loses ratings going head to head with that no matter who the champ is. Period.

 

[TheMainEvent]

I cant imagine anyone in their right mind would be blaming Orton for the low rating. Really it comes down to the writing and creative members of WWE who are to blame. They fucked up the hot Nexus angle from summer when they were getting 3.6/3.8 ratings during a time when ratings are normally low for WWE programming and now going into sweeps and the hottest time of the year for TV programming against MNF and premieres they expect ratings to stay high?? Its really not realistic and Orton is the most over person on the roster right now, fan reaction shows it. But like true Hollywood/Entertainment world fashion when ratings are low things go back to formulaic conventionalism ie: remakes and standard cop/medical drama formats that are known to work. In WWEs case that is Cena as champion and Superman, so I really hope that doesn't happen.

In all honesty its likely that after Hell in a Cell Miz will cash in his Money in the Bank and win the title in hopes of a ratings spike simliar to what Edges first Money in the Bank title win did for Raw a few years ago.

 

[Cleavo77]

Orton is a great wrestler, there is no doubt about that. The entire time ive watched wrestling I have always liked orton. Even when you weren't suppose to like him i did. The only time i didn't cheer for orton was when he was against cena, or when Legacy started interfering in every match.

That being said, i think i agree with most. Orton dosen't need a title to be a badass, cuz he already is. The best i've ever seen orton was during his feud with Triple H and the McMahons. He was a crazy psycho that heard voices in his head. He ruined everything and that is what made him so fun to watch. Now sure i like seeing the RKO, but when he dropped it like 5 or 6 times a few weeks ago that was a bit much. All i know is i hate Sheamus as Champ and i will be cheering for orton next sunday, but after that, it's time for a champ outta left feild, like morrison or the miz.

Orton is a great wrestler and he's fun to watch, but he dosent need to be champ to be entertaining, and i think that's what the wwe universe thinks too.

 

[RD_21]

Orton as a champ isn't to blame. I don't watch WWE as closely as I once did because of Super-Cena, predictable and bland booking, the FU that they give the fans thinking they know better than us what we want, the gimmick PPV that devalue everything are just some reason.

I watch the WWE for CM Punk, The Miz and Alberto Del Rio. The rest I couldn't care less and if Cena is in a match or in a promo where he try to be funny and try to be intense I flip the channel, I am done hoping that he will get his ass kick, that someone will look strong against him (it's starting to happen from time to time).

For Orton as a champ while he may be better as a title chaser it's fun to see him as a champion but the most interesting choice would have been Barrett. I don't care that he is ready or not Nexus are 5 they should dominate everything that's how a good stable work.

But imo they've put the belt on Orton so The Miz could soon feud against a face champion.

 

[Nada]

Two months ago , Nexus was hot and ratings were good , but they didn't give them enough time to improve plus injuries and losing members.

This

The rating was good when Nexus was a real threat, 3.7 is a very nice rating coming from 7 rookies.

Then they killed the angle at Summerslam having them lose to Cena.


Now there is no reason to watch RAW, there is no threat to anyone, Orton and Sheamus will duke it out, and Cena will continue to toss the Nexus around like they are a bunch of pillows.

Thats it, there is no other reason to watch

 

[Nada]

MNF has been around for decades, and TV shows werent invented this year

It is a piss poor excuse, and everyone knows it.

However the champion isent to blame, the whole show needs to be looked at.

I wish Vince McMahon would take a 3 month vacation, not watch RAW, SD or even IMPACT, just let him stay at Hawaii.

Then come back, sit down, and watch a episode of Monday Night RAW and honestly tell us what HE thinks of the show and the "main event"

 

[silrock316]

yeah why isnt anyone talking about SuperCena destroying NeXuS? Orton was barely on the show. Once I heard Cena vs. Nexus I flipped right over to football. Orton is fine, the freakin Super Bowl champions were playing monday night and the WWE show all around was very weak this past monday. Even Orton/Sheamus opening was boring. Its not Ortons fault they dont know how to book. Have Sheamus come out and trash talk the arena and throw everyone under the bus and then have Ortons music hit. Better pop and more entertaining IMO.

 

[Nada]

2 storylines are going on at RAW that have any exposure and importance

Cena vs Nexus
Angle that was killed at Summerslam when Cena simply defeated them and that was that. They are ending the faction at HiaC most likely.
When Nexus was hot, RAW rating was hot, because there was a real threat in the WWE.

Sheamus vs Orton
There is barely a storyline, they dont even get much tv time to advance it anyway. Nobody cares and nobody believes that Orton will lose the title at HiaC since he just got it

2 predictable storylines with 1 faction that is all but officially dead. There is no reason to actually watch RAW

Who really cares about who the secret GM of RAW is anymore? Its pretty established that even WWE does not know who it is, and the fans could care less.

And people have forgotten that Miz won MitB, this is very similar to when SES had that secret member: When too much time goes on people stop caring, you cant string people for months on end, it dosent work.

Edge is flundering around, feuding with a laptop

Jericho is doing what? Quiting? What is his story and against who?


It baffles me with the amount of talent that even Smackdown is now better than RAW, despite taking the biggest stars out of SD, they cant seem to do anything with them. Edge, Morrison are waisting their time there, where they once had actual purpose on SD

 

[Dzone]

Yeh I prefered Orton being a Viper type dude who chases the champ around...

*maybe start a storyline with Orton finding out who the GM is instead of someone like Jericho and possibly give back Sheamus the title...*

And to "Nada" about the Edge fueding with a laptop *lol'ed at that for a bit =]* I think Orton would work here, he makes a chasing around some idiot seem interesting... lol.

A final comment WWE need to say who this GM is and soon, if they dont I predict ratings to be even lower... most people are just getting annoyed with Cole standing up and talking shit every match or so.

EDIT I do agree that Orton is pretty bland as a champ because he cannot portray his gimmick enough when he is one... atm his gimmick being "A Viper" how the hell is a Viper, a suggested "killer snake" which hunts stuff down *when Orton is portraying the gimmick that is*, meant to be a champion.

It simply dont work for me and it would be better if they got him to be heel and fued with Morrison as a boost for Morrison *seeing as I believe he has about a ton more talent than the Miz* or if what I said before happened. EDIT

 

[Miss Flawless]

Well, I thought Barret was gonna win, then it could be Sheamus vs Barret at HIAC.

Of course, NOBODY knows for sure why they got a low rating. The most logical reason right now is because of Orton winning the title. I also didn't like how they pushed Randy Orton way to strong and then he won. I think it's a cheap predictable way to put a championship on someone.

Some are saying that it's illogical to even think that the low rating is because of Randy Orton, but people, tell me, what else could it be? What else could have made RAW a 2.8?

There was almost an immediate reaction within WWE when the 2.8 RAW rating came out this week. There is concern that next week’s taped show against the Chicago Bears vs. Green Bay Packers game may be the same or even worse.

WWE cut commercial spots this week to heavily push Randy Orton vs. Chris Jericho for next week. There was a lot of unhappiness at the SmackDown tapings last night, but some of that was overreacting. There’s a feeling that things will change starting with the live SmackDown show coming up and the post-Hell in a Cell RAW.

While it hasn’t been a week yet since Randy Orton won the WWE Title, there is already some people in the company who are second-guessing the decision to put the belt back on him. Some feel that they pushed Orton hard for weeks and then gave him the belt and nobody seemed to care about it once he won. Some people were pushing to put the belt back on John Cena while others feel that this is a sign that Cena needs to turn heel because his face run is over.

Source: Wrestling Observer Newsletter

I don't believe much internet reports. This may not be true, you know.

Another factor: Most people tape RAW and watch it another day since RAW airs late and people need to sleep earlier. (Especially kids)

 

[A**hole]

Reading thru this thread and some of the comments

Randys promo at NoC makes me ask think was the last superstar that could command 30seconds interview time without a word being said only to break it when the crowd started chanting "R***y R***y R***y" with a raised eyebrow or a single word.
So I then watched the opening of RAW again.
"I am not an honorable man......................
................I'd RKO your grandmother just to see the look on her face............"
I thought it was good and he show much more facial animation than most others, the look that preceded those lines was great.
For a heel
As for his superman....he does sell it all very well, the beat down and the recovery. The RKO is a move that can come out of nowhere, it's always been sold that way, Diamond Dallas Page was probably the last to use it like that, and could pull some good spots with it. Just as Randy now catchs people with it even from the top turnbuckle.
Randy has been top heel for a long time and drawing good heat, it will take some time before he can become a full babyface, if ever. It took HBK most of his career to achieve it.
So I see him as a tweener for a while. He'll get more of a face push soon when he tags with Cena against Nexus. But I think the writers know it needs to be a slow turn so he can be top face against Cenas heel.
12-18 months away

 

[Dean Winchester]

Randy Orton does not have a Superman gimmick...or does he have a Goldberg gimmick. Orton better then Goldberg ever was, which I don't understand why people say Orton acts like him.

 

[Zaahir3000]

yeah why isnt anyone talking about SuperCena destroying NeXuS? Orton was barely on the show. Once I heard Cena vs. Nexus I flipped right over to football. Orton is fine, the freakin Super Bowl champions were playing monday night and the WWE show all around was very weak this past monday. Even Orton/Sheamus opening was boring. Its not Ortons fault they dont know how to book. Have Sheamus come out and trash talk the arena and throw everyone under the bus and then have Ortons music hit. Better pop and more entertaining IMO.

I did the exact same thing as soon as I heard Cena vs Nexus in a Gauntlet match the channel got changed to MNF. I was a huge Nexus mark when the angle first began. I even ordered an armband. The WWE dropped the ball in a big way by allowing Super Cena to destroy them all at once. Firing Darren Young and losing Sheffield made them look very week. This angle is on life support unless they do something drastic.

 

[manstis1804]

WWE doesn't understand their fans very well. They think "the fans like this guy, give him the title the fans will like it". But, since wrestling is so openly a work these days, fans expect more than their favorite holding the title. Booking and circumstance and timing are very important. Orton winning in some random 6 pack challenge at the September PPV doesn't cut it.

 

[manstis1804]

I was thinking during the McIntyre Rhodes tag match that people were definitely changing the channel with the annoying commentary and the lack of names in the ring.

 

[Steamboat Ricky]

The problem is that the whole product is stale. I haven't had an overwhelming desire to watch Monday Night Raw live since Monday Night Wars 2.0. If they think that Orton holding the belt is the reason that ratings are slipping, they have some looking around to do.

Plus, the defending Super Bowl champs were on MNF. Of course ratings are going to be lower than usual.