WWE already souring on Orton as champ!

[Mr Jones]

2 storylines are going on at RAW that have any exposure and importance

Cena vs Nexus
Angle that was killed at Summerslam when Cena simply defeated them and that was that. They are ending the faction at HiaC most likely.
When Nexus was hot, RAW rating was hot, because there was a real threat in the WWE.

Sheamus vs Orton
There is barely a storyline, they dont even get much tv time to advance it anyway. Nobody cares and nobody believes that Orton will lose the title at HiaC since he just got it

2 predictable storylines with 1 faction that is all but officially dead. There is no reason to actually watch RAW

Who really cares about who the secret GM of RAW is anymore? Its pretty established that even WWE does not know who it is, and the fans could care less.

And people have forgotten that Miz won MitB, this is very similar to when SES had that secret member: When too much time goes on people stop caring, you cant string people for months on end, it dosent work.

Edge is flundering around, feuding with a laptop

Jericho is doing what? Quiting? What is his story and against who?


It baffles me with the amount of talent that even Smackdown is now better than RAW, despite taking the biggest stars out of SD, they cant seem to do anything with them. Edge, Morrison are waisting their time there, where they once had actual purpose on SD

Nobody cares about Edge outside of the IWC. He's an afterthought who has a horrendous finisher and can't build anticipation to save his life.

Vickie is hated not because of Edge but because of her own character. Her voice, her facial expressions, that "excuse me" shit. She is the typical annoying girl and Edge was lucky to have her by his side.

Edge isn't anything without a female to carry him to a personality. Lita made him a "scumbag" and Vickie made him an "opportunist".

This dude could be headlining Wrestlemania 50 and no one would care. No one ever orders a PPV to see Edge lose or see one of his great matches. He could never be what Jericho is to Raw and that's why he was on Smackdown and used a wrestler's widow as a crutch to get heat.

They only gave the belt to him so Cena could have his big WM moment of winning the title again. Edge will forever be known as a transitional champion.

 

[XXJJ]

I dont believe these reports. Orton is one of the most over superstars right now in the wwe. He was barely on raw last week. Cena who is the biggest star had the main event. They dipped because of MNF.

The raw ratings have been on a steady decline. They lost a lot of adult fans by turning pg and to ufc. The real problem is the booking. Maybe this will wake Vince up to improve the booking. And try to put on even better quality shows.

 

[radec]

IMO amking orton champ was a fail, hes in his 6 run since 2007 he should of ended his runs in his 4th or 3rd because thats where he started to die out as champion. hes like a cena no 1 cares if hes champion. sheamus should of retained!

i was thinking and they can make it that sheamus goes and complains to management after HIAC(orton wins by a cheap trick) that orton is no champ and only lost his tittle in 6 pack challanges and wants the tittle to be reversed back to him. They have a match on RAW if sheamus wins the tittle get reversed back to him like he never lost it. Sheamus wins and the world is at peace.

 

[LongLiveTheStreak]

Why do so many people think that the WWE Championship needs to be around the waist of a man who needs putting over, or his talent established? This is the top belt in the business is Giving it to Orton was the right move because he is carrying Raw on his shoulders right now. Since his face turn he has been getting Taker-like ovations and has made a great face character out of his Viper/apex predator gimmick, a gimmick that was clearly meant to be heel.

Sometimes the WWE title needs to be with your hottest, most popular superstar. Or with your best, most established heel. It's not always a good thing to give the belt to someone just because that superstar needs to be put over. A talent should be fully established and "put over" prior to holding the WWE Championship. The WWE title needs to be with credibility to keep its credibility in tact. And Wade Barrett and Nexus lost all of theirs at Summerslam. Nexus has had no momentum for weeks and it wouldnt have made sense to give it to Wade out of nowhere.

Sheamus made a terrible WWE Champion because they wouldnt let him beat anyone cleanly. They need a better champion than that. If WWE is second guessing Otron as champ already, they shouldnt be. Orton got huge pops at NOC and Raw.He will make a great champion and he always has(except for his 1st one) I hope he gets to hold it for the rest of the year.

 

[Undar8d]

I'm going to be honest.. watching Orton as Champion has never gone well for me. All of his reigns have been so lackluster and out of place, that I hope that anyone would take it off him. But yet, all of his feuds where he is the person chasing for the title, I absolutely adored. He hasn't had one good run as champion, just 5 reigns as WWE Champion that was nothing special and a long reign also being of any importance.

Blaming him as the reason the ratings are dropping is a bit too much, but in my opinion, Randy Orton does not work as a Champion, even if he is one of the most popular superstars at the moment.

 

[JohnJohnson]

Hi guys, new member. I've been reading threads here for a few weeks. Here are my opinions on Orton as champ:

-The ratings drop had nothing to do with Orton. MNF of course is a big factor and also the fact that WWE just isn't as good as it was before.

-How can you say that Orton shouldn't be champ just because he doesn't need it and is already over? When Stone Cold was the biggest name in WWF/E wasn't he still the champ? I thought the championship is supposed to be for the best wreslters, not just a tool to make "so so" wrestlers look better.

-As far as Cena vs Orton. How can you even compare? Cena is the single most predictable wreslter ever. He gets dominated by anyone(main eventer or mid carder) and the gets in two shoulder thrusts, back drop, 5 knuckle shuffle and AA(glorified firemans carry). Atleast with Orton the RKO comes out of no where and you are genuinely surprised sometimes. And Orton doesn't try to be Mr. Goody two shoes and kiss the fans asses and deliver cheap pops. Cena sounds scripted all the time. He sticks to his goal of capturing the belt. It's that simple and that's great. Cena doesn't sell as well because he always has all this energy all of a sudden and never appears injured after anything. His 5 knuckle shuffle half the time looks completely fake. At least Orton's punt looks real. Almost every move that Orton pulls off looks good.

-Orton is a man who can feud with anyone in the roster n its a good feud whether he's 'killing a legend' or beating his fomer mentor, or just trying to get his belt back. His feud is different with each person. With Cena its the same thing everytime. No depth.

-Orton is veer similar to SCSA in the fact that he doesn't try to kiss up to the fans. He just goes out there and takes out whoever is in his way(face or heel) and tries to get his belt. He will RKO anyone just like SCSA would stunner anyone he wanted.

-He is also very similar to Triple H in the way that you can tell that the belt actually means a lot and he will do anything to get it. His in-ring abilities are great and he approaches each opponent differently instead of just doing the same thing in every match like a lot of others. He will wear down certain opponents and be more technical with some where as others he will just muscle down. Also the fact that he plays the mind games with his opponents and really knows how to make a feud interesting. He knows when to strike and when to run(really knows how to work off of the crowd momentum)

-Another thing is the fact that nowadays in WWE a person's face/heel status determines whether they win or lose too much. For instance Batista as a face dominates everyone but as a heel he loses to someone like Rey Mysterio. True, Rey is a great wrestler, but how believeable is a 150lb guy beating someone who is 290 in a wrestling match. Back in the attitude era when The Rock was a bad guy and Mankind was the good guy that everyone wanted to see win, he still beat the hell outta him week in and week out. I know it seems off topic but the point is that it is refreshing to see someone like Orton who can still win as a heel. He wins because he is good

-I think WWE picked the right person to be the champ. He is just good at what he does. He doesn't over do his "psychotic" character like edge does. He doesn't make a name for himself by using cheap pops and kissing up to fans, or just saying that he is 'AWESOME' every week, or by having a gang of people just randomly beat people for him. He is a 3rd generation superstar who started as a nobody and blew up real quick because people like his performance. Why not give him the belt?

Just a few of my opinions. Aslo a little off topic, I hope that The Miz cashes in at HIAC after Orton's exhausted from his title match and still loses lol. I could see him coming out and being all cocky and smug and slappin Orton around and taunting only to get a surprise RKO and lose. The Miz shouldn't be the champ simply because he isn't on the same level as superstars such as Triple H, Undertaker, Kane, Orton, Jericho or any of the past champs from when the title was reserved for the best of the best. Not everyone who has "good mic skills" should wear the belt.

 

[Undar8d]

-As far as Cena vs Orton. How can you even compare? Cena is the single most predictable wreslter ever. He gets dominated by anyone(main eventer or mid carder) and the gets in two shoulder thrusts, back drop, 5 knuckle shuffle and AA(glorified firemans carry). Atleast with Orton the RKO comes out of no where and you are genuinely surprised sometimes. And Orton doesn't try to be Mr. Goody two shoes and kiss the fans asses and deliver cheap pops. Cena sounds scripted all the time. He sticks to his goal of capturing the belt. It's that simple and that's great. Cena doesn't sell as well because he always has all this energy all of a sudden and never appears injured after anything. His 5 knuckle shuffle half the time looks completely fake. At least Orton's punt looks real. Almost every move that Orton pulls off looks good.

Pure Orton mark. If you go back to any of Orton's matches, he's just like Cena. You can predict any move he will make because he follows a format like Cena that every big superstar does. You have to be blind if you don't see that. In my opinion, I know Randy Orton is suppose to move methodically in his matches, but his slowness irritates me and overall, basically the same that Cena does. The only thing different is that Cena can bring in emotion and story-tell in his matches.

-Orton is a man who can feud with anyone in the roster n its a good feud whether he's 'killing a legend' or beating his fomer mentor, or just trying to get his belt back. His feud is different with each person. With Cena its the same thing everytime. No depth.

Once again comparing Cena to Orton, it's completely absurd to say that his feuds have no depth and Orton does. Cena vs. Batista, Cena vs. JBL (2005), Cena vs. Edge, Cena vs. HBK are just to name a few.
But going back on topic, I'll only agree that some of Randy's feuds, such as Undertaker and Triple H provide great depth, and the only feuds he's good in are when he's chasing the title for the majority. The title should have stayed on Sheamus for a couple more pay-per-views, because Orton has nothing to prove. After his feud with Sheamus, where does he go?

-Another thing is the fact that nowadays in WWE a person's face/heel status determines whether they win or lose too much. For instance Batista as a face dominates everyone but as a heel he loses to someone like Rey Mysterio. True, Rey is a great wrestler, but how believeable is a 150lb guy beating someone who is 290 in a wrestling match. Back in the attitude era when The Rock was a bad guy and Mankind was the good guy that everyone wanted to see win, he still beat the hell outta him week in and week out. I know it seems off topic but the point is that it is refreshing to see someone like Orton who can still win as a heel. He wins because he is good

Orton isn't really a heel, just saying. He's more of a tweener. Sheamus is a heel.

 

[Big Nick Dudley]

Pure Orton mark. If you go back to any of Orton's matches, he's just like Cena. You can predict any move he will make because he follows a format like Cena that every big superstar does. You have to be blind if you don't see that. In my opinion, I know Randy Orton is suppose to move methodically in his matches, but his slowness irritates me and overall, basically the same that Cena does. The only thing different is that Cena can bring in emotion and story-tell in his matches.

Yeah, I hate it when people cry about one wrestler using the "same ol' moves," but not about others. I'm not a Cena fan, but he isn't the only one. Do I blame Orton and Cena for this? No, I blame WWE. It's obviously something they have said needs to be done, or so many wrestlers wouldn't be doing it.

When it comes to Orton's pacing, I'm a fan. Too many wrestlers are in a rush today. No one takes the time to make something look painful, or real. You have guys like Kofi Kingston who (when not taking a beating) is going 200 m.p.h., and it doesn't look good. Cena has that same problem as well (while on offense).

Once again comparing Cena to Orton, it's completely absurd to say that his feuds have no depth and Orton does. Cena vs. Batista, Cena vs. JBL (2005), Cena vs. Edge, Cena vs. HBK are just to name a few.
But going back on topic, I'll only agree that some of Randy's feuds, such as Undertaker and Triple H provide great depth, and the only feuds he's good in are when he's chasing the title for the majority. The title should have stayed on Sheamus for a couple more pay-per-views, because Orton has nothing to prove. After his feud with Sheamus, where does he go?

I actually have to agree, somewhat. I think Orton's feuds are usually more personal than Cena's, but then again Orton is usually the heel.

What I agree with is the fact that it was too soon for Orton to capture the title. They should have waited until Wrestlemania. He's the most over face they have right now, and his title win was kind of wasted on a so-so feud, at a so-so PPV.

It's like a new guy winning the belt. Orton hasn't had this kind of run before. He hasn't been a face (not at this level) while chasing the belt. I wouldn't mind seeing another HHH/Orton feud, with Orton as the face and HHH as the heel.

 

[rdw]

i actually like him as a HEEL champion not a face or tweener, whatever you wanna call him. i actually think he would be better on smackdown as the face of smackdown if wwe is gonna keep him face for a long time. if i were the wwe id drop the belt to sheamus and have him fued with morrison for the title. morrison dont have to win it but the match we saw a few weeks ago against sheamus was pretty intense